Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive92

Could someone please take care of this? I will leave the house in a couple of days anyways, so the problem should not persist. De mortuis... 02:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I find it quite annoying that instead of reacting even new ridiculous accusations turn up in this userbox and sockpuppetry paranoia: [22] [23] De mortuis... 15:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

God, I hate it when people misrepresent what I say. Look at the next edit to that UT page, made ten minutes later: [24] —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 21:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Why did you make these ridiculous accusations at all? And why does no one address ROGNNTUDJUU!'s complaint? Quite successful mud throwing. De mortuis... 15:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I trust David Gerard's judgement more than yours, frankly. I hate to put in so incivilly. ROG^50moreletters was being disruptive and De mortuis' explanations for their accidental checkuser positive are pretty hollow. Syrthiss 16:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• 67.71.84.112 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 67.70.149.60 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) have tagged my userpage with the suspected sockpuppet template. Both of these users have about 5 edits and have accused me of being a sockpuppet of User:Theonlyedge despite the fact that since February, we've only edited one common page (check contribs). I suspect that the above Anon users are sockpuppets of Eyeonvaughan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who was recently blocked for running a sockfarm. Is there a proper way to go about taking down the tag and proving I'm not a puppet? pm_shef 19:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Generally those sock tags have to be backed up by some sort of evidence. You can request a checkuser on yourself, I suppose, at WP:RCU if you like. · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 19:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted both their edits to yours and Theonlyedge's page, and am about to warn them that it is best not to accuse someone of sockpuppetry without documentation (and even then I'd feel better if it was primarily done by an admin). --Syrthiss 19:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Note that these IP addresses are in the same range of Bell Canada numbers previously used by suspected socks of Eyeonvaughan (talk · contribs) and/or VaughanWatch (talk · contribs). Thatcher131 03:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that Georgewilliamherbert has a long standing tradition of protecting Striver, even when all others feel that Striver is violating numerous policies. I cannot ceased to be amazed why some folks defend those whose primary contributions violate WP:POINT, WP:FORK, WP:NPA and a slew of other areas. It should also be noted by the numerous others that have contacted Striver on his talk page, that I am most certainly not alone in my disputes with Striver. admonished for nominating other articles after one of his got deleted, soliciting Afd votes from those that favor his POV, told to stop vandalizing articles, using his talk page as a message board to misrepresent others, asked to not spam for votes, asked to not overemphasize trivialities, asked to not violate POINT, questioned about Forking articles to fit his POV, cautioned about violation POINT, again, discussion about spamming for Afd votes, another editor asks him to not spam him about Afd's, asked to not use false edit summaries, and of course...this is just the very tip of the iceberg.--MONGO 07:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I have also admonished him several times when I saw him clearly do something wrong, in my opinion, including over this incident (see User talk:Striver#Blocked for 24 hours), and I'm not questioning that he does a lot of stuff which is at least mildly disruptive or abusive. The question is, do you, MONGO, still have a sufficiently neutral opinion and position to be able to fairly and non-abusively judge whether administrative blocks are appropriate for specific grey-area / relatively minor abuses, or not? I don't think you do. I don't think I'm completely unbiased here, either, which is why I'm ANI asking for neutral administrator review. If you want to RFC or file for Arbitration on Striver, feel free... that's not an abuse of administrator power, anyone could do it, and lord knows enough people are frustrated with him. But using the administrator block powers against administrator policy (or, at least borderline) may not be an appropriate response by you against his abuses. This would have been avoided if you'd pointed out his personal attack and asked a neutral admin to respond, as policy says you should. Which is what we're doing now.

If you think that you can do no wrong in combating Striver's abuses... then you do have a problem with abusing administrator powers. Striver has to type a lot to annoy or abuse people. You have a convenient button at a level he can't get at. Two wrongs don't make a right. Georgewilliamherbert 08:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

There comes a point that some editors do indeed exhaust the communities patience. Your opinion is noted.--MONGO 08:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

If he's really exhausted the communities patience, and not just yours, why not file Req for Arbitration and moot this question of whether you are neutral or not by getting an Arbcom ruling? Or a RfC? Georgewilliamherbert 17:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Striver means well, and has made positive contributions, but it's clear to me that he now does more harm than good. He has a long history of personnal attacks, POV pushing, vote solicitation, content forking, and generating lame 'articles' to make a point. Is MONGO's 24 hour block warranted? Sure; If I hadn't been on a Wikibreak I would have seen the attack and blocked him myself. Tom Harrison ^Talk 14:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

If it makes anyone feel better I will go and re-block him myself. Striver is nothing but a constant irritant these days. Just zis Guy you know? 10:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll volunteer to act as a second admin opinion in future situations where MONGO is considering using admin in regards to Striver if MONGO asks me to, but think MONGO is responsible, from what I've seen, in his adminship, and I don't think that this block was particularly inappropriate. If Striver insists on continuing to violate WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA policies on an admin and that admin blocks him, that's simply an unwise course of action by Striver, IMO. JDoorjam Talk 14:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Normally, I'm pretty strongly against this type of thing...but here, there's not even an external link. So as long as he's not using this as his primary website (and, looking at it, god help him if he is), I don't think it's that big a deal (so long as things stay that way). --InShaneee 03:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I have blanked the advertisement userpage and left an explanatory note. The use of Wikipedia for advertisement is completely unacceptable. --FOo 05:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, (bitterly) it can't be completely unacceptable, since it's not a speedy criterion. But I won't think about that, it just makes me cry. WHY isn't advertising a speedy criterion? Bishonen | talk 23:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC).

In the event you are not trolling and are a legitimate editor, I do apologise, but someone on your and other AOL IP ranges is in fact carrying out massive vandalism, and has been blocked before by other administrators in the past hour. Again, I apologise for the inconvenience. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

and you respond to this comment by leveling another 99 minute block, presumably to keep me from responding? or not--152.163.100.65 23:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

152.163.100.65, if you are having a problem editing, please read Wikipedia:Advice to AOL users. CSCWEM, although under WP:AOL you may block AOL proxies to combat heavy vandalism, longer blocks of 99 minutes are generally pointless because of the collateral damage and the fact that the vandal automatically switches IPs frequently. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

What solution is there when someone is IP hopping on AOL ranges and has already been blocked for 15 minutes, any? Can't sleep, clown will eat me 23:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Semiprotection, really. And letters from the WMF to AOL asking them to change to a different system. · Katefan0^(scribble)/poll 23:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I really think that range blocks of AOL should not be imposed without discussion. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

There are also plans to modify the MediaWiki software so that edits from AOL users would automatically be made to bypass the proxy system by using the HTTPS protocol. This feature is currently still at an early stage, but it may be enabled some time in the future.

It actually is enabled in Wiktionary already. I'm not sure about it scaling, but it is enabled. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 06:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

There's a thread about it at Wiktionary:wiktionary:Beer_Parlour#AOL Notice at the top of Wiktionary where Tawker gives a pretty good explanation about it. The Beer Parlour is our equivalent of the Town Pump. Tawker says the reason why Wikipedia hasn't adopted the system is because it would take too many servers.--Primetime 06:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the sockpuppet matter but the comments on the talk page look like a minor violation of WP:CIVIL but nothing that extreme. JoshuaZ 04:16, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

This edit would probably qualify as a PA, though, wouldn't it? Check the edit summary. -Colin Kimbrell 01:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• BrushLimpcow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Ingralamb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• NColemam (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• O.P.Nuhss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• M.E.Rhekt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Donpediac (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• DPG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I've gone ahead and semi-protected, and i'd second the checkuser . . . --Heah? 04:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Heah. I've never done a check user request, but this seems like a good time to find out how it works. -GTBacchus^(talk) 05:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 05:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Essjay, that was very helpful. All socks, plus half a score more. It's always a shame to see an editor go out like that. -GTBacchus^(talk) 15:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Considering how much of a nuisance this editor was to start with (he made a page outside Wikipedia calling for POV pushing and vandalizing) it really isn't much of a shame. JoshuaZ 21:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure... I guess I meant, of all the different ways an editor can go out, it's a shame when they turn into a sock-farmer. I don't know how to prevent it; maybe some people are just determined to be pains in the neck, no matter what you do. I've been reading MeatballWiki a bit lately, and thinking about how people come and go in a wiki. -GTBacchus^(talk) 22:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

This wouldn't be the first time he's done this to that article. See the archive of completed RFCU requests involving Pro-Lick/Shill. ⇒ SWATJester   ^Ready Aim _Fire! 22:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have a running report at User:Essjay/Checkuser/Cases/Halliburton Shill to keep track of the socks & IPs that have been blocked. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 09:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm in touch with EKN about this, and he or she is very much on their last warning. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• • And I promised not to troll anymore. EKN 02:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)EKN

You seem to be suggesting that this user get a new user name (User_talk:EKN#Your_edits). Why is this a good idea when this user is an obvious troll who has posted disgusting anti semitic jokes on two articles, stated Seig Heil on the Hitler page and changed the Polish user template to a Nazi youth template? Arniep 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I haven't suggested s/he get a new name. S/he asked me how to, and I explained how. As I told you yesterday, I'm keeping an eye on this. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, he can remove the speedy tag and send it to AfD, or just remove the tag and wait for you to send it to AFD, as it is not a speedy. It's not a re-delete speedy, as the content is not identical (the new article is much more detailed), and it isn't a non-notable speedy, as the page makes an assertion of notability. Whether the article would survive AfD again or not is a different thing, as is using rollback to remove the tag, but AfD is where this should go. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 23:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Speedy deletion in this situation is only for substantially identical articles; this one is about five times longer than the previously deleted version, and is heavily referenced. If you want to delete it, it will need to go to AfD. --bainer (talk) 02:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Per Thebainer. Mackensen (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Both blocked. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

...where it's up for deletion -GTBacchus^(talk) 15:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I have given him a test4. If he continues, you should report this at WP:AIV which is the location for standard vandalism reports. JoshuaZ 05:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Noted, I must have ANI and AIV reversed then. Shenme 05:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It is against United States copyright law. Please stop. —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's a violation of our Fair use policy only, although the reason for this is that the majority of such uses really do violate American law. ManWithNoName, did you even read this page Durin linked to in his first edit? It explains why we need to do this. Of course other articles use the image. That doesn't mean you're allowed to use it in your userpage. Johnleemk | Talk 17:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• The first time I removed the image, I left an extensive edit summary [48] which linked to the policy being used as the rationale for the image removal. That edit summary also contains a link to a file which has extensive explanations of why this is being done along with why there is no direct notification to a person's talk page. In the vast, vast majority of cases that I have done this (more than 400 now) this has been virtually a non-issue. Over the last week, I talked with two different members of ArbCom, and both agreed that if a person should revert my changes that remove fair use images, that I should revert them and place a message on their talk page indicating to them that continued re-insertion of the images onto their userpage when the user was aware of the policy proscribing such use would constitute vandalism since such behavior is willfully defying Wikipedia policy on the issue. Understand; your userpage is not strictly yours. See Wikipedia:Userpage. It is in fact part of the overall project. You can cause harm to the project via your userpage. Simply because it is your userpage does not prohibit Wikipedia from defending itself against copyright/policy violations of its users. All the best, --Durin 18:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

So WP:OFFICE can block for vandalism now? Nothing on Wikipedia:Long term abuse So I assume whatever it is hasn't hit en.wikpedia yet of if it has it doesn't register above backgroud. Blocking for vandalism makes no sense withing the preview of WP:OFFICE since it is something any admin can do. I any case it would be nice if danny listed this at WP:OFFICE. We had enough missunderstandings lately without adding to them.Geni 18:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is extensive vandalism on enwiki from this group as well; it's just been better controlled. The project-wide block is as much to get the attention of administrators at M&W as it is to halt the vandalism. Kelly Martin (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Oooh, AOL next! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 22:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, I oppose big blocks like this, but folks need to go over to cat:csd and start cleaning out the Augean stables. Those turkeys managed to leave a lot of poop, and if that many CSD's got tagged, you can imagine how many got deleted by admins watching recent changes and new pages. We are really getting a deluge just now, so everyone grab some hip waders and get in there. Geogre 01:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC) (And I've smothered about 40 of them today so far.)

Dont say the words "Augean stables" and "smothered" in the same breath! of course then I just went and said them... --Syrthiss 03:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

If more folks don't get in there at the CSD backlog, I shall mix more metaphors until they do! :-) Geogre 10:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

This "WP:OFFICE" thing is getting out of hand. This is a community project. Problems need to be aired -- not dealt with in secret. --FOo 05:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't really a "WP:OFFICE" sort of thing, all the information was discussed on IRC since it was easier to pass along the information. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 07:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I'm missing something here, but posting to AN/I hardly sounds like handling it in secret. A reason was given, mass vandalism across multiple projects, it is clear that action is being taken to resolve the situation, Kelly has apologised for the temporary inconvenience. What are we supposed to do, let them continue to run riot? Just zis Guy you know? 10:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

The original reason wasn't credible. The fact is no mention of this group appeared in any of the places serious vandalism is recorded.Geni 12:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Geni, would you care to admit that things go on that you, personally, are not necessarily informed about? The bulk of the vandalism took place on minor wikis such as Choctaw and Hawaiian; some of these projects were completely vandalized (every or nearly every page touched). I'm sorry if you think that we have to talk to you before we can take reasonable action to protect the project, but that's not the way it works. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please don't create strawmen.Geni 15:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Er, I thought that here was one of the places that serious vandalism is discussed and dealt with...? Kelly reported that the block was placed because of an 'organized program of vandalism across multiple Wikimedia projects', and provided instructions for admins with questions ('You may refer questions to myself or to Danny'). I don't see anything on Kelly's talk page; if you were concerned about the reason for the block, did you try asking her or Danny why they felt such action was necessary? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that WP:OFFICE actions were open to questioning. Or more correctly that there was any expectation that such questions can be answered. WP:OFFICE does not in any case cover blocks. Further more the general understanding is that office actions will be carried out for legal reasons. With mentions of office but no mentions of legal threats and the vandlaism on en haveing not significantly registered above background you can see why the intial explanation has credibity issues. The get the attention of administrators at M&W explantion makes more sense.Geni 15:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Danny has the authority to act on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, who, as you may have forgotten, OWNS the computers that Wikipedia runs on. His instructions are to be respected. If you are not interested in doing that, resign your adminship. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Please can you stop presenting strawmen. In any case I'd argue it is enough that his actions be tollerated.Geni 16:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If you want to remain an admin on Wikipedia, you will not contravene Danny's express instructions. I think that's clear enough for you not to smell strawmen. If you have questions about something Danny's done or that someone else has done at his direction, I suggest that you raise those concerns privately. WP:OFFICE actions frequently involve sensitive matters which should not be aired publicly. It would be best if all admins would do their best not to interfere with the Foundation's management of such issues. Finally, WP:OFFICE covers whatever Danny needs it to cover: protection, deletion, blocks, desysopings, whatever. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

"WP:OFFICE is an official policy promulgated by Jimbo Wales which allows Danny Wool (longtime Wikipedian, en-Wikipedia admin, steward, Foundation employee) to temporarily protect or modify an article." .Geni 17:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

And I'm telling you that Danny has the authority to do what needs to be done to protect the Foundation, and thereby protect Wikipedia. If you don't like that, you are free to find another hobby. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

No we've been through that argument. Nothing on Wikipedia:Long term abuse. Therefor they were not much of a threat to en.wikipedia thus if they were pure vandalism (if not then we run into issue that if you are going to lie to protect wikipedia then your lies should at least be credible) there was no need to block on en to "protect the Foundation". Of course I can think of quote a few situations where blocking to protect the foundation would apply however most of them are covered by our other policies. Incerdentaly I can't recall where Danny was authorised to anything other than protection and deleteion (and even then Jimbo hasd indicated that protection should not last more than a week) in the name of the foundation.Geni 18:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Sint Holo continues to remove links to archived talk page discussions. I'm not sure what he wants to hide, but it doesn't help other users in following ongoing discussions. --Jerry (Talk) 06:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I archived my talk page after it was filled with message board dialouge by these users -- all of it harassing and vicious. I never solicited any of their commentary or had even edited from this account. They "stalk" the Cherokee article for purposes of harassment, 3RR, and disruption waitg for me to edit or contribute. Their purpose is to harrass me and drive me from the site. Wikimedia said THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS CONDUCT ANY LONGER. Block this user. Please. Sint Holo 06:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

No-one is fooled, Jeff. You have been banned indefinately from Wikipedia as Gadugi, Waya sahoni and others. So, it seems, you have already been driven from this site due to your repeatedly unacceptable behaviour. Why do you keep returning? Your new sockpuppets include Sint Holo and Tempus Fugit --Vryl 06:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Add Vryl (talk · contribs). This individual contacted the Cherokee Nation and harassed Dr. Delso until he told him to buzz off and verified I was working on Cherokee Articles and Culture for the CN Cultural Department on this site. See Talk:Cherokee. His conduct is more sinister. Add him to the block list as well. Please. Sint Holo 06:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Liar, liar, pants are on fire! I have sent exactly one email to Mr Delso, and received exactly one reply. You will note that after this, I confirmed to people about Jeff's ethnicity, when it was in dispute on the Cherokee page. You can see the very polite reply I received from Mr Delso now on my talk page, where he thanks me for the email. Some harrassment. Pls note that Mr Delso did not tell me to "buzz off". Feel free to email him to confirm this.

My "Sinister" apology to Jeff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gadugi&diff=prev&oldid=23635141

My polite email from Mr Delso: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vryl#Email_from_Dusty_Delso_to_me.21

Update: Actually, I must have sent 2 emails to Mr Delso, because I apologised to him for the first one. The point is the same, I wasn't harrassing him, and he responded respectfully. --Vryl 14:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Cherokee doesn't say anything about Sint Holo, but it does show a response from Dr. Delso regarding Jeff Merkey. Are you now admitting that you are Jeff Merkey, who has been indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia? OneNamelessCat 06:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia can resind anything done by an admin on this site. I have been invited back to work on Cherokee by WIKIMEDIA. So much for the indef block banter. Find another hobby (like Houston Texas and the company you work for there). Sint Holo 06:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

You will, of course, give us the name of the admin who invited you back. --Jerry (Talk) 06:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's true, but even if it were, you have yet to show something statiing this from a verifiable authority. Until then, you're just a net.kook with a broken wiki fork and a penchant for losing at the legal game. Vigilant 06:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sean, I don't think megapath will appreciate their network being used by an employee for Denial of Service Attacks and hacking of Wikipedia or it's interwiki sites. Go work on your email clustering software and do something useful. You are better than this. Sint Holo 06:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you threatening me Jeff? Are you making threats against me pointed at my employer in such a way as to prevent my free exercise of expression here at wikipedia? Are you? Naw, I'm not Sean, but I bet you were sweating AGAIN, weren't you? I have worked on WolfPack Clustering from MS though. It was a dog. Vigilant 07:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I almost forgot, you are going to provide the name of the admin or authority that asked you to 'come back' and you are going to provide some cites for my identity and you are going to provide some cites for hacking allegations and DoS allegations, right? Cue cricket_chirp.wav Vigilant 07:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Dear Mr. Merkey,

Thank you for your kind words. I have forwarded them to the Board of Wikimedia. Over the course of the day, I will 
provide you with the information you request. I firmly believe that a resource like wikipedia in Cherokee can be of 
enormous benefit to the Cherokee nation as an academic resource for students in their own language. Here is the site
of the Cherokee-language Wikipedia for your perusal: http://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%8E%A4%E1%8E%B5%E1%8E%AE%E1%8E%B5%E1%8F%8D%E1%8F%97. While it is still small, I am 
convinced it has enormous potential.


Danny Wool
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

Jeff V. Merkey wrote:

>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I apologize for my earlier conduct and public statements and ask Mr. Wales and Wikimedia to accept my apologies.

> I discussed your suggestion about the Cherokee Language Wikipedia with Dr. Dusty Deslo, Director of the Cherokee 
Nation Cultural and Language program.  I am writing a lexicon converter that will convert the entire English 
Wikipedia to the Cherokee Language for the Cherokee Nation.  Dr. Delso at present has me assigned to translate 
several hundred childrens books into Cherokee for our language immersion program for the Cherokee Youth (Tom Sawyer,
 Huck Finn, etc.)  I have been working on these translations and we are switching to the laguage conversion tools 
after I complete them.  I am working with our linguistics experts and the United States BIA on these projects for 
Dr. Delso and our people at present with a complete translation suite of tools for our language.  I have analyzed 
Wikipedia's XML dumps and have setup www.wikigadugi.org for our people and the Native Community and feel confident I
 can modify these tools to translate XML dumps from your site for the Cherokee Wikipedia in both syllabary and 
phonetic formats. 

Danny seems to have sent you a nice motherhood style of statement. Notice his use of the word "perusal", in relation to the Cherokee Wiki. Are you taking this to be an invitation to edit the english Wikipedia, a wiki that you have been banned many times from for disruption? Is Danny aware of your multiple bans? I assume that he should be informed of this. Or probably will be soon, if he hasn't already. --Vryl 16:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

On reviewing the contributions and userpage of User:Vryl, I have blocked him indefinitely, subject to review by other administrators. He declares that his purpose in using Wikipedia is to "clean up the mess left behind by Jeff Vernon Merkey", and indeed nearly all of his edits for months now have been attacks on various socks of Merkey. Merkey may pose a problem for Wikipedia, but that problem cannot be resolved by blatantly ignoring Wikipedia's basic policies and using Wikipedia as a forum to attack other editors. --Tony Sidaway 19:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I've examined the edits of [[User:Talks to birds], particularly this one. Another person here solely to pursue a vendetta against Merkey. I've blocked this editor indefinitely, subject to review by other administrators. --Tony Sidaway 20:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please clarify Mr. Merkey's status. Is he or is he not banned from Wikipedia, as Wikipedia:List_of_banned_users#Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey states he is? Has he been granted some exemption from WP:SOCK allowing him to edit as Sint Holo and TempusFugit despite having been permanently blocked from editing under at least 10 previous accounts? — MediaMangler 19:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

It's obvious that Sint Holo/Merkey/whatever has a legitimate complaint about stalkers, and it's equally obvious that--whatever his previous history--he's made an effort to resolve his differences with Wikimedia and he's making an honest effort to improve Wikipedia. I'm prepared to assume good faith on this subject. He should not be considered permanently banned at this time. --Tony Sidaway 20:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Tony, I know this thread has gone on too long already, but please help me understand how WP:BAN would allow good faith when the user has admitted being a banned user? This is a serious question. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and wikipedia policy is sometimes a convuluted as legal documents. --Jerry (Talk) 20:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Good faith should never be enterely ruled out. As you can see above, Danny and Jeff have been able to interact with one another in good faith, and Jeff has offered help with the Cherokee Wikipedia. As long as this goes on, having some chaps pestering him and engaging in behavior that would disgrace a moderated forum, quite against all Wikipedia policy, is a big headache for Wikipedia. That some of them openly admit that this is your sole purpose for editing Wikipedia is very worrying indeed. This isn't a battleground, it's an encyclopedia. --Tony Sidaway 20:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok.. I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of WP:BAN, and we only have Jeff's word that the above exchange actually took place, but you've made the decision. I've got more locomotive articles to work on, so I'm through with this thread. --Jerry (Talk) 21:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you can refer this block to Nicholas Turnbull for review like you did the last two. Oh, I guess not. Surely you remember that Merkey's orders to you were to block my account next. Yes, yes, I know I've done edits against other vandals besides Merkey, but I fail to see why fighting against multiple vandals is somehow of more worth than being focused on protecting Wikipedia from a single threat. At no point have you claimed that any of the three accounts you blocked were in violation of any policy. I would've posted this comment to your talk page, but you seem to have the uncivil habit of removing talk page comments. (And of blocking those whose comments you don't like.) — MediaMangler 01:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Second edit of "new user" concerns subject of sockpuppets??? Ha ha, yeah, right. Shenme 03:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

See also Coving (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -Will Beback 04:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please ban this guy? --JW1805 (Talk) 04:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

gods this is boring. Done. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 05:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Frakking sockpuppets. --Calton | Talk 06:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

This user bears a closer look by those who know Zephram better. Vista Delay (talk · contribs) -Will Beback 23:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

They're all obviously Zephram, as CheckUser confirms. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

• The_Psycho (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• SlashDot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (a denial of service attack on Slashdot.com is one of GNAA's claims to fame)
• KingOfDAARt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• TheNegro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• YanMill (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• 71.108.201.102 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (suspected)
• 142.150.204.170 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (suspected)
• Sn0rlax (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (not a throwaway, more like a sleeper)
• AncorZonr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• boatfarm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• WarMach (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Jobbersy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)