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wallisface on Why is Untapping Lands a …

5 months ago

legendofa I have an issue with you contesting my statement of "a large portion of those cards are extremely old" and then deciding yourself what the goalposts should be for my own statement. I never said that only old-bordered cards are old... the current "new" border has still been in use for a ridiculous quantity of time, and the colour pie has shifted numerous times since its creation. For me, anything that was printed 10+ years ago, fits into the "extremely old" category... so if you're going to pull me-up on what's old-or-new, that is the yardstick i'm measuring.

Now, ordering cards by how old they actually are (instead of arbitrary card-frames) yields the following (using only the cards you've already listed):

1993 (31 years ago): Ley Druid

1995 (29 years ago): Juniper Order Druid

1996 (28 years ago): Nature's Chosen, Emerald Charm

1997 (27 years ago): Elder Druid, Earthcraft, Llanowar Druid

1998 (26 years ago): Awakening, Argothian Elder

1999 (25 years ago): Early Harvest

2002 (22 years ago): Krosan Restorer

2004 (20 years ago): Rude Awakening, Nature's Will

2005 (19 years ago): Stone-Seeder Hierophant, Seedborn Muse, Patron of the Orochi

2006 (18 years ago): Magus of the Candelabra

2007 (17 years ago): Woodland Guidance

2009 (15 years ago): Garruk Wildspeaker

2010 (14 years ago): Bear Umbra

2012 (12 years ago): Arbor Elf, Urban Burgeoning

2013 (11 years ago): Voyaging Satyr

2014 (10 years ago): Nissa, Worldwaker

2017 (7 years ago): Initiate's Companion, Hope Tender, Nissa, Genesis Mage, Blossom Dryad

2018 (6 years ago): Ley Weaver, Cacophodon

2019 (5 years ago): Wilderness Reclamation, Rime Tender

2021 (3 years ago): Sculptor of Winter, Saryth, the Viper's Fang, Jorn, God of Winter  ^Flip

2022 (2 years ago): Likeness of the Seeker  ^Flip, Civic Gardener

2023 (last year): Rustvine Cultivator, Portent Tracker

2024 (this year): Innocuous Researcher

Using the above data, the below rant is in defense of my claim "From what i’m seeing, the general trend is that this effect used to be quite prominent in green but something that’s slowly being phased out/down for green over time", which may have been the other thing you were contesting??

Now, at face value this paints a picture that indicates an-eb-and-flow of constant printings of green-land-untap effects, perhaps even slightly favoring those printings in the more recent years. HOWEVER - this does not take into account the actual percentage of cards printed in any given year.

For example, in 1996 2 cards exist in our category, BUT only 468 new cards were printed that year. 2022 also has 2 cards in our category printed, but also had 2004 new cards printed into it, meaning those 2 cards represented a significantly lower percentage of what green represented that year.

With Wotc printing an increasingly large quantity of cards every year, this effect has been getting an increasingly lower-percentage-share of cards given to it. The one anomaly I see is 2017, where 4 cards were printed in a year that made 861 new cards, making it about on-par with our beforementioned 1996 example.

legendofa on Why is Untapping Lands a …

5 months ago

wallisface I'm still going to contest that. Scryfall search comes up with 45 mono-green cards with the words "untap" and "land". Ignoring stuff like Blizzard and Choke, there are nine cards in that group with ye olde bordere that untap lands, seven with the Modern border, and fourteen with the 2015 border, skipping those whose primary purpose is to turn lands into creatures like Wakeroot Elemental. Two of them are legal in Standard, and thirteen--about a third of the total, and more than ye olde bordere--are legal in Pioneer. I'm not seeing the dropoff for land untapping in green.

Ye Olde Bordere, "untap" + "land": Ley Druid, Elder Druid, Juniper Order Druid, Nature's Chosen, Early Harvest, Earthcraft, Awakening, Argothian Elder, Krosan Restorer. total 9

Modern Border, "untap" + "land": Rude Awakening, Nature's Will, Stone-Seeder Hierophant, Magus of the Candelabra, Garruk Wildspeaker, Bear Umbra, Urban Burgeoning, Voyaging Satyr. total 8

2015 Border, "untap" + "land": Nissa, Worldwaker, Initiate's Companion, Hope Tender, Nissa, Genesis Mage, Blossom Dryad, Ley Weaver, Wilderness Reclamation, Sculptor of Winter, Saryth, the Viper's Fang, Likeness of the Seeker  ^Flip, Civic Gardener, Rustvine Cultivator, Portent Tracker, Innocuous Researcher. total 14

Ye Olde Bordere, "untap" + "permanent": Emerald Charm, Seedborn Muse. total 2

Modern Border, "untap" + "permanent": none.

2015 Border, "untap" + "permanent": Cacophodon, Rime Tender, Jorn, God of Winter  ^Flip. total 3

Ye Olde Bordere, "untap" + "Forest": Llanowar Druid. total 1

Modern Border, "untap" + "Forest": Patron of the Orochi, Woodland Guidance, Arbor Elf. total 3

2015 Border, "untap" + "Forest": none.

So there's 39 green cards that can untap lands in some capacity, with 34 of those being more or less land-specific. Again, these counts ignore cards that untap lands by turning lands into creatures, focusing only on those whose main function is the untap. It also ignores Un-cards.

Analysis of blue to follow.

legendofa on Would Seedborn Muse Be Blue …

1 year ago

Green is good at untapping its creatures and lands. Blue can untap (and tap) anything, including creatures and lands. Green has two other cards that can untap any permanent, with Cacophodon and Emerald Charm. Blue has almost ten times as many.

Blue is best at untapping artifacts, and green the best at untapping lands, but blue is actually slightly better at untapping creatures (or at least has more cards with that effect), and it's not even close with untapping any permanent. I think Seedborn Muse would be fully appropriate in blue.

oconnelljd1 on big daddy dino

1 year ago

Cards to consider cutting:

Volcanic Fallout, Skyshroud Claim, Heaven / Earth, Wayward Swordtooth, Sun-Crowned Hunters, Raging Regisaur, Kinjalli's Caller, Druid of the Anima, Drover of the Mighty, Burning Sun's Avatar, Cacophodon, Star of Extinction

Cards to consider adding:

Kodama's Reach, Regisaur Alpha, Chain Lightning, Blasphemous Act, Carnage Tyrant, Deathgorge Scavenger, Etali, Primal Storm, Annoyed Altisaur, Apex Altisaur, Giant Cindermaw, Harnessed Snubhorn, Sheltered Thicket, Scattered Groves, Sacred Peaks, Kinjalli's Sunwing, Kogla and Yidaro, Quartzwood Crasher, Rampaging Ferocidon, Runic Armasaur, Topiary Stomper, Tyrranax Rex, Wakening Sun's Avatar, Elemental Bond, Taurean Mauler, Unbreakable Formation, Vanquisher's Banner, Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies, Herald's Horn, Path of Ancestry, Pillar of Origins, Pyre of Heroes, Secluded Courtyard, Stoneforge Masterwork, Unclaimed Territory, Vanquisher's Banner
the add section kinda got out of hand, but they are all worth considering

carpecanum on NayaDinos

1 year ago

If you want something just for fun you could get Fire Ants to set off all your Enrage triggers. Its terrifying with Cacophodon.

Licecolony on NayaDinos

1 year ago

I'd add 6 or so lands. There's just not near enough there. It also seems you're expecting a really long game with cards to reshuffle stuff into your library and gain life. You start at 40 health. If you're taking that much damage, the extra 5 here or there aren't saving you. And reshuffling cards from the graveyard into the library is only going to be useful if you're playing against a mill deck or you somehow draw your entire deck. Both somewhat uncommon situations.

Cards under $3 that you might consider:
Nature's Lore
Rishkar's Expertise
Cultivate
Rampant Growth
Farseek
Kodama's Reach
Colossal Majesty
Return of the Wildspeaker
Beast Within
Nature's Claim
Thunderfoot Baloth
Rootweaver Druid
Reclamation Sage
Cathar Commando
Knight of Autumn
Qasali Pridemage
Thrashing Brontodon
Ranging Raptors
Regisaur Alpha
Shifting Ceratops
Territorial Hammerskull
Territorial Allosaurus
Topiary Stomper
Atzocan Seer
Tribal Forcemage
Naya Charm
Road of Return
Boros Charm

Cards that I would call easily expendable:
Suncleanser
Cacophodon
Looming Altisaur
Imperial Ceratops
Wilderness Reclamation
Verdant Haven
Gift of Paradise
Fertile Ground
Oketra's Last Mercy
Rolling Thunder
Serene Remembrance
Elixir of Immortality
Oketra's Monument
Alhammarret's Archive
Sanguine Sacrament
Slice in Twain
Enter the Unknown
Boros Signet
Gruul Signet
Selesnya Signet

multimedia on Draggin' Grwl

3 years ago

Hey, you're welcome, nice changes.

Vigor prevents enrage from happening since it prevents damage dealt to Vron. It's a replacement effect which replaces the damage that is dealt with +1/+1 counters since damage isn't dealt enrage doesn't trigger. Rite of Passage works how you want with Vron because it doesn't prevent damage, but also puts a +1/+1 counter when damage is dealt.

Goblin Bombardment could replace many different cards simply because it's a win condition with Vron that's only two mana. Bombardment is also another card to infinite combo with Polyraptor and it can prevent ending the game in a draw with Marauding Raptor + Polyraptor. Anara, Wolvid Familiar could replace Cacophodon. Is Cacophodon part of a combo that I'm not seeing? Crop Rotation could replace Steel Wall.

Rishkar's Expertise and Return of the Wildspeaker are in the precon and they can draw a lot of cards because Vron starts at 5 power. Return being an instant can be cast not on your turn to fill your hand of cards to choose from to cast on your next turn. These spells are excellent with Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient and Old Gnawbone who can make a ton of mana to cast all the cards you draw.

Expertise and Return are actually better spells here than Kindred Summons because with Vron no matter what you're drawing at least 5 cards. Summons requires that you control many Dragons to get the same amount of value. One advantage of Summons is instant speed to potentially reveal both Gnawbone + Charger, cheating them onto the battlefield, but without a way to arrange these Dragons to the top of your library that will be rare.

Sword of Hours is in the precon and it does a lot with Vron since it's a source of repeatable die roll and a way to make Vron bigger with +1/+1 counters. Some budget lands to consider adding in place of some basic lands: Naya Panorama, Jund Panorama, Bonders' Enclave, Rogue's Passage.

Some changes to consider:

• Goblin Bombardment --> Vigor
• Anara, Wolvid Familiar --> Cacophodon
• Crop Rotation --> Phyrexian Walker
• Sword of Hours --> Steel Wall
• Return of the Wildspeaker or Rishkar's Expertise --> Lathliss, Dragon Queen
• Naya Panorama --> 1x Mountain
• Jund Panorama --> 1x Mountain
• Bonders' Enclave --> Temple of the Dragon Queen
• Rogue's Passage --> 1x Forest

king-saproling on

4 years ago

Looks good! These might interest you: Arcbond, Gideon's Sacrifice, Martyrdom, Sunforger, Saving Grace, Repercussion, Chandra's Ignition, Mogg Maniac, Spiteful Sliver, Truefire Captain, Coalhauler Swine, Vigor, Polyraptor, Rite of Passage, Cacophodon, Sporeweb Weaver.

Also I must disagree with gavriel1136 regarding Blazing Sunsteel since it can deal infinite damage with Stuffy Doll or an indestructible reckoner-type creature.