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Wikispecies' 20th anniversary
[edit]20 years ago, on 5 September, there was a meeting of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation (comprising five members at the time), with Angela Beesley, Florence Devouard, Tim Shell and Jimbo Wales, that took place on IRC: foundation:Minutes:2004-09-05.
It discussed the launch of Wikispecies as a Wikimedia project, within the Wikimedia movement. The project was proposed to the community by Benedikt Mandl (User:Benedikt, wikidata:Q15154734), an Austrian PhD student at the Department of Zoology of the University of Cambridge, UK at the time, in early August 2004 in the Wikipedia-l mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-August/016403.html
10 years ago, Wikispecies celebrated its 10th anniversary on 14 September.
Here are the topics at the Village Pump about it, initiated by Dan Koehl and OhanaUnited:
- Wikispecies:Village pump/Archive 26#10th anniversary
- Wikispecies:Village pump/Archive 26#10 year anniversary
Conflicting information about the project's launch date can be found on various projects, as a development stage was initiated and discussed before Wikispecies became a Wikimedia project. The words used ("launched", "inception") and the lack of clarity about the predevelopment phase and the relationship with Wikimedia can also add to the confusion:
- wikipedia:en:Wikispecies: "launched in August 2004" [1]
- meta:Wikispecies: "launched on September 5, 2004" [2]
- wikidata:Q13679 (Wikispecies): "inception: 14 September 2004" [3]
On meta:List of Wikimedia birthdays, the birthday is marked as "13 September 2004", with the verification status "Verification needed" [4]. This twentieth anniversary can be the occasion to determine it!
I propose to take a tour through the archives by sharing a few links:
Messages from Benedikt at the Village Pump about the history of Wikispecies and a suggestion about the birthday
- https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikispecies:Village_pump/Archive_26#c-Benedikt-2014-04-07T07:46:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2014-04-07T02:24:00.000Z
- https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikispecies:Village_pump/Archive_26#c-Benedikt-2014-04-08T12:36:00.000Z-Dan_Koehl-2014-04-07T12:05:00.000Z
First page archived by the Wayback Machine on 10 August 2004
The Main Page, the recent changes page and the first discussions here at the Village Pump back in the day, under the wikipedia.org domain
- https://web.archive.org/web/20040915185919/http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
- https://web.archive.org/web/20040916012323/http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges
- https://web.archive.org/web/20040916185915/http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump
The first edits on this wiki
For information, some Wikimedia projects have created a special page to celebrate their anniversary, or have published a press release. Here are a few examples:
- wikipedia:en:Wikipedia:20th anniversary
- wikidata:Wikidata:Tenth Birthday
- wiktionary:fr:Wiktionnaire:Communiqués de presse/15 ans
In less than two days, on 7 September, Wikimedia Commons will celebrate its 20th birthday too!
Wikispecies' anniversary could come a week later, if we agree on the date. Or perhaps we should consider a period rather than a specific date...
Do you have any ideas of what we could do to celebrate this event?
We have an X (Twitter) account, @Wikispecies, that can be used to promote the event and the project to a wider audience.
I've seen that Benedikt is also on X, so the event could be an opportunity to get in touch with him. Korg (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- But (given the problems associated with the current ownership of twitter), is it time to move to bluesky (which, like wikis, is open source, and thus free from individual hegemony)? - MPF (talk) 00:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I support the idea of a birthday page, for PR and history of the project. It should include or link to the Wikispecies milestones, too. --Thiotrix (talk) 07:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Dan Koehl, Korg, MPF, OhanaUnited, and Thiotrix:
I'm the current custodian of our @Wikispecies Twitter account and would be happy to add a tweet regarding our anniversary, but we need of course agree on a specific date first. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 07:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC).- Would seem to me that 14 September is a reasonable date and consistent with the 10th anniversary. Keeps it a little out of the Commons one also. Wikispecies also has a Facebook account by the way. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 10:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. We shouldn't change the date between different anniversaries, haphazardly. – Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
- Perhaps we should consider writing a Diff about Wikispecies for the aniversary. Giving some info about what the wiki has accomplished over the 20 years. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. We shouldn't change the date between different anniversaries, haphazardly. – Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
- Would seem to me that 14 September is a reasonable date and consistent with the 10th anniversary. Keeps it a little out of the Commons one also. Wikispecies also has a Facebook account by the way. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 10:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Dan Koehl, Korg, MPF, OhanaUnited, and Thiotrix:
- Good initiative! Dan Koehl (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Sadly, my stepfather passed away very recently, hence unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to tweet about the anniversary in time for September 14th. I made a note about it yesterday though. Better than nothing, I guess: @Wikispecies.
–Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
- For the record, Benedikt retweeted the post and also made a note: [5]. There was also a tweet from the Wikimedia Foundation: [6]. Korg (talk) 18:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Social platforms
[edit]@MPF: I didn't know about Bluesky, thanks for the info. Do you use it? See also Talk:Main Page#Why (only) Twitter/X account?. Korg (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Only just joined, so I don't know much about it yet, but it is very similar to twitter as of ten years ago. It is open-source software so ± immune to political corruption as there is no owner. But more and more science-related people are moving to Bluesky since the decline of twitter into a far-right neonazi promotion site under Elon Musk's ownership - MPF (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Regarding the Facebook account, do you refer to the page https://www.facebook.com/Wikispecies? Do you know who is behind it? Korg (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Korg: I believe @Dan Koehl: has the account for that page. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 23:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at it it definitely needs an update though.... Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 00:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can see the Facebook group has got seven administrators, including @Dan Koehl, Michael K. Oliver, Scott Thomson, and RLJ, as well as Nicolas Thiercelin and myself. As Scott points out the FB page is in a dire need of an update, regardless... Unfortunately I'm a very infrequent Facebook user these days. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 18:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC).
- Looking at it it definitely needs an update though.... Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 00:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Birthday page, Diff post
[edit]@Thiotrix: For the birthday page, how do you see it? What could be its title? Wikispecies:20th birthday, Wikispecies:20th Birthday, Wikispecies:Twentieth birthday, Wikispecies:Twentieth Birthday, Wikispecies:20th anniversary, Wikispecies:20th Anniversary, Wikispecies:Twentieth anniversary, Wikispecies:Twentieth Anniversary, or something else? Korg (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- The best name for me is Wikispecies:20th anniversary, a) in analogy to Wikipedia: 20th anniversary, and b) the year number easier for non-english readers. --Thiotrix (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've created the page. Please feel free to modify it or add more information. Korg (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Good idea, a Diff post!
Here are a few Diff posts about Wikimedia project anniversaries:
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2011/01/14/happy-10th-anniversary-wikipedia/
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2014/09/05/celebrating-the-10th-anniversary-of-wikimedia-commons/
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/01/01/you-are-invited-to-wikipedias-20th-birthday-party/
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/06/15/spanish-wikipedia-celebrates-its-20th-anniversary/
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/11/04/the-alemannic-wikipedia-celebrates-its-20th-anniversary/
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/11/23/celebrating-20-years-of-wikisource-and-3000-years-of-history/
- https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/01/21/celebrating-20-years-of-georgian-wikipedia/
Korg (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Korg: for the list of other Diff Posts. I am happy to help coordinate that but would prefer to see it come across as a combined authorship of some of our volunteers. I have written for Diff before and I spoke briefly with one reviewer for them about this and they thought it would be cool. Keeping it simple as "Celevrating Wikispecies: 20 years cataloging life" or something along those lines, I am referring to the Diff here I agree with others above regarding an anniversary page. We would need a couple of representative images to use also. My thought is to use it as an opportunity to shocase what we do and have accomplished, our successes in have interactions with scientists to correct errors in nomenclature we have noticed over the years. We are approaching 1 million taxa and as such are the 2nd largest catalogue of living species second only to CoL however our goals are slightly different to them. Any thoughts or volunteers? I can create a google doc to start wrting it, thats how they preferred it when I wrote the Diff on the Ombuds Commission. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 23:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is the birthday announcement ready to launch? OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Faendalimas: Thanks! If you have a Google doc, please share it. A link to Wikispecies:Wikispecies in the literature could be added. Korg (talk) 12:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Discussion about the date
[edit]@Faendalimas and Tommy Kronkvist: I agree with you about the 14 September date.
In the page m:List of Wikimedia birthdays, the anniversary date of 13 September 2004 for Wikispecies was added by Gregory Varnum in this edit. It is based on the date of the first edit on this wiki, 13 September 2004 at 22:06 (UTC) by JeLuF: see Main Page history.
See the discussion at en:Talk:Wikispecies#Launch date and Plantdrew's comment about the date. Korg (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Other ideas
[edit]Just a thought, some sections of the Main Page could possibly be updated: Template:MP pictures (history), Template:Distinguished author 2019-08 or Template:Species of the month (currently using Template:Species-2022-09).
Here are some previous discussions about them at the Village Pump:
- Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 44#Endangered species of the month
- Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 44#Images on the main page
- Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 61#Distinguished author
Korg (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
In my opinion the images are ok, but although I find detailed articles about authors and taxa very very intersting, sorry but there is a very strong inadequacy between Wikispecies:What Wikispecies is not: "Wikispecies is not paragraphs of information about species or taxonomists." and the fact to highlight in the first page exactly "what Wikispecies is not", this sounds a bit wrong. Even if it means putting in the spotlight content, it should be more true Wikispecies based content. Christian Ferrer (talk) 04:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Largely in agreement here I think the Author part can be deleted. I would also like to focus the species on what we do though, "Endangered Sécies" is Conservation Biology, I think I would prefer to highlight newsworthy new species each month and have one plant and one animal (if we get enough mycologists and virologists helping we can do those two but not for now). Although the images are not problematic we should update them from time to time. We could also when it occurs add another section showcasing a notable re-arrangement, ie not necessarily mew species but major works that redistribute the species among families. Sometimes these occur and cause a lot of upheaval, for example when the US Wood Turtle was shown to be related to European Turtles and not to other US Emydine turtles requiring new genera and new subfamilies. Just some thoughts. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 06:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore Wikispecies based content will be more easily updatable, and therefore could looks more alive. Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would also love us to spotlight endangered species again. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I took the liberty of mentioning this on the sitenotice. If others feel like it's a bad idea or poorly-worded, let me know. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I subsequently went completely overboard and added 20 birthday cake icons, with the first one using WMF colors (originally made for Wikidata) and the last one having "W", "2", and "0" at the top (originally for Wikipedia). One also has a fish on it, so kinda related. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was trying to make an announcement in one of the Wikipedia-related group in Facebook, only to get a notification instantly that my post wasn't approved because the species.wikimedia.org domain is against community standards (???) Does others have similar experience? OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikimedia links seem to be getting caught by Meta's ie Facebooks, algorythms for content addition. I have tried making a querie about it but it failed to go through. I have put some effort into growing the Facebook group here a bit and managed to get 18 new members so far today. We should grow and use the Facebook platform to bring us more readers and editors. If anyone frequents Facebook and feels they could be an admin there please let me know. Also I would ask people try to somewhat regularly contribute posts to it based on interesting info on here. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 14:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was trying to make an announcement in one of the Wikipedia-related group in Facebook, only to get a notification instantly that my post wasn't approved because the species.wikimedia.org domain is against community standards (???) Does others have similar experience? OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, if we enter the URL https://species.wikimedia.org into the Facebook Sharing Debugger tool, we'll get the following message:
"We can't review this website because the content doesn't meet our Community Standards. If you think this is a mistake, please let us know."
- Maybe if enough people tell Facebook about this error, the block will be lifted? I'll try to get in touch with someone who has contacts with the Meta Platforms team to resolve this issue. Korg (talk) 13:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Xing-Yue Liu or Xingyue Liu
[edit]Should the taxon author page Xing-Yue Liu be renamed to Xingyue Liu? I've just checked every single publication listed on the page as of writing: only one of them spells his name "Xing-Yue Liu" with a hyphen, while all the others spell his name as "Xingyue Liu" without a hyphen. I realise that we often spell Chinese authors' names with hyphens on Wikispecies, but I'm not sure if this is correct in cases such as these. Monster Iestyn (talk) 14:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- We did develop a consensus on Chinese names about 10 years ago. The same name can be presented as one word, with a hyphen, or with a space. A great confusion was happening because sometimes different publications would use different presentations, and thus one author could wind up with two or three pages. There were more of the hyphenated forms than the others, so it became a convention. Neferkheperre (talk) 12:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where was the discussion where this consensus was made? I tried to look for it in Village Pump archives but I'm unable to find it there (maybe I'm searching for the wrong terms?) Monster Iestyn (talk) 13:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Neferkheperre (ping in case you didn't see my reply from a few days ago) Monster Iestyn (talk) 12:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have had a busy time last couple of weeks. As I remember, Thorpe left here in early 2015. I took over making citations for Zootaxa, and we had a quick intense discussion about reference citations and a considerable increase of information content resulted. The sharp increase in author pages led to a discussion of Chinese names. Try looking Thorpe in 2015, and go from there. Neferkheperre (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong 74.218.66.18 19:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Neferkheperre (ping in case you didn't see my reply from a few days ago) Monster Iestyn (talk) 12:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Where was the discussion where this consensus was made? I tried to look for it in Village Pump archives but I'm unable to find it there (maybe I'm searching for the wrong terms?) Monster Iestyn (talk) 13:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge proposal of Simone P. Rosa with Simone Policena Rosa
[edit]We currently have entries Simone P. Rosa and Simone Policena Rosa for the same Brazilian entomologist. The former entry is older and with more templates while the latter one is with her full name. I would like to know which one should be kept as main entry. --Eryk Kij (talk) 08:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the one with the full name but leave a redirect from the shorter form of the name if it has been used in publications. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 11:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I merged the former page to the latter one per consensus. --Eryk Kij (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Two pages for one French paleontologist and entomologist named "Gervais"?
[edit]Are François Louis Paul Gervais and Paul M. Gervais the same person? Please see Talk:Brachistosternus ehrenbergii#Gervais for more information! Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- They are clearly the same person. Thanks. Hector Bottai (talk) 21:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your input, @Hector Bottai, and yes, further investigations proves you right. For example (according to BHL) "Gervais, M P" and "Gervais, M Paul" as well as "Gervais, François Paul" and "Gervais, F L P" are all alternative name forms of "Paul Gervais" (1816–1879).
I will merge the two author pages tomorrow. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC).- Well done! Hector Bottai (talk) 23:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tommy Kronkvist: Did you forget? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Andy Mabbett: Indeed I did – thank you for the reminder. I've know merged the two author pages into François Louis Paul Gervais. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks Tommy. Hector Bottai (talk) 11:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Andy Mabbett: Indeed I did – thank you for the reminder. I've know merged the two author pages into François Louis Paul Gervais. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you for your input, @Hector Bottai, and yes, further investigations proves you right. For example (according to BHL) "Gervais, M P" and "Gervais, M Paul" as well as "Gervais, François Paul" and "Gervais, F L P" are all alternative name forms of "Paul Gervais" (1816–1879).
Drosera infrageneric classification
[edit]As far as I am ware there is no robust infrageneric classification for Drosera that is supported by morphology or phylogeny. One may emerge in the future, but until then I suggest WS remove our preset historic attempt. However, if there are strong arguments to the contrary then I will follow consensus. How about a week before action? Andyboorman (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- According to w:Taxonomy of Drosera [ver. 15:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC); main contributor: NoahElhardt, who wrote the first version at 05:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)] and some IPNI records (Carnivorous Plants of Australia Magnum Opus; subgenera of Drosera; sections of Drosera), Lowrie (2014) [n.v.] established 3 sections (viz. sect. Annuerecta, sect. Luniferae and sect. Macrantha) after Schlauer (1996) discarded Lowrie's former classification, Schlauer taking a cytological study into consideration. Meanwhile, Fleischmann et al. (2017) recognize 4 subgenera (viz. subg. Drosera, subg. Ergaleium, subg. Arcturia and subg. Regiae) and 13 sections (including ones formerly known as subgenera, but ignoring all of those established by Lowrie 2014) phylogenetically. I am sorry for lacking immediate accessibility to Lowrie (2014), but please let me confirm, do you ask for anything more than Fleischmann et al. (2017)? --Eryk Kij (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have added Fleischmann et al. (2018) and Lowrie, (2014) to the genus, thanks. However, you do raise the issue of unresolved infrageneric classification with regular changes. The WP article is not useful except as history, IMHO. I have also added a pdf link to Gonella's 2017 doctoral thesis. Still nothing definitive and encompassing. Andyboorman (talk) 19:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
I have made a start at updating Drosera classification. Please review and contribute if you are able. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 07:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Adamowicz
[edit]Can anyone find out anything about Adamowicz, the author of the bird genus Clanga, please? Variously given as M. A. F. Adamowicz, M. A.-F. Adamowicz, or just A. F. Adamowicz. I've not been able to trace what the M., or A., or F. stand for. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 23:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- "M." likely is short for "Monsieur" in those first two, so it is probably not part of his name. Monster Iestyn (talk) 01:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The most likely identity is Adam Ferdynand Adamowicz (1802–1881), Polish veterinarian who graduated Vilnius University (of Poland at that time), cf. S.M.S. Gregory & E.C. Dickinson, Bulletin of the British Ornithologists Club 132(2): 135. --Eryk Kij (talk) 02:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed with my both colleagues, 1/ "M." is for "Monsieur" [mister], and 2/ this is Adam Ferdynand Adamowicz, Notice sur le Comte Constantin Tyzenhaus is listed within his publication list of the German and French Wikipedias. Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks all! - MPF (talk) 11:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Badly formatted category talk pages
[edit]These two recently created talk pages are rather messy. I don't really know what to make out of them, or even whether they are at all useful. Can anyone please help sort them out?
- Category talk:Eponyms of Clarke Abel (a botanist, IPNI standard form C.Abel)
- Category talk:Eponyms of James David Ackerman (a botanist, IPNI standard form Ackerman)
Thanks! Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC).
- Adding Category talk:Eponyms of Jess A. Peirson. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Clearwing tropical moths travel 4,500 miles from Guyana to Port Talbot
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(And yes, this is a taxon new to science: Carmenta brachyclados). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, I created Carmenta brachyclados and its reference template (Template:Sterling et al., 2024). --Eryk Kij (talk) 10:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nice to find a new species, but the main lesson from this is, don't bring back stuff from far away that might carry potentially invasive pest species. They got lucky this time, the next one might not be so benign . . . suppose it had been some Linepithema humile eggs instead 😳 - MPF (talk) 21:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Renaming Template:Q
[edit]Template:Q has only 146 transclusions.
On this wiki, {{Q|1043}} renders as:
on en.Wikipedia, Wikidata, Commons and elsewhere, it renders as:
On the other hand, this wiki's {{QID|1043}} renders as:
I propose to rename the current Template:Q to, say, Template:Wikidata short link, with Template:Q-short as a redirect, replace all instances of {{Q}}, and finally to move Template:QID to Template:Q, leaving a redirect, in order to standardise template behaviour on this wiki with others, and to facilitate the import of updates to them made on other wikis.
Any thoughts? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I'm seeing here, Template:Q on Wikispecies is just a redirect to Template:Wikidata entity link, which itself is an import of en:Wikidata entity link from en.wiki, while Template:QID is an import of c:Template:Q from Commons. Additionally, these templates seem to serve similar purposes to each other, except that one links to Special:EntityLink/<item>, while the other links to <item> directly. Do we really need both of these templates on Wikispecies? Monster Iestyn (talk) 13:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- That was my mistake, After posting here, I reimported
{{Wikidata entity link}}to get a bug fix that had been applied on en.Wikipedia. That inadvertently overwrote{{Q}}, which I have now restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- That was my mistake, After posting here, I reimported
Unpatrolled edits and patroller right
[edit]At the top of your watchlist, you can see the following information displayed by MediaWiki:Watchlist-details, if the interface language selected in your preferences is English:
1680 Unpatrolled 0 Speedy deletion · 6,209 Stubs · 63 Unverified · 703 Disputed · 0 Invalid · 254 Homonyms · 158 Non-standard
The number of unpatrolled edits comes from Wikispecies:Patroller/Backlog/nrraw, but it is not up-to-date as the bot that updated the page, SteinsplitterBot, has stopped this task (see history).
To get an idea, what is the current (approximate) number of unpatrolled edits?
On Wikidata, the English Wikisource and several other wikis, autoconfirmed users can mark edits and new pages as patrolled (see d:Special:ListGroupRights or s:Special:ListGroupRights).
I thought that users with autopatroller status on Wikispecies could also mark edits as patrolled if they wish, to lend a hand. (See Wikispecies:Patrollers.)
Unlike the previously mentioned wikis, where the autoconfirmed status is assigned automatically according to certain criteria, the autopatroller status on Wikispecies is assigned manually by administrators, which should limit potential abuse.
See also Special:Log/patrol and Patroller Stats for the last month.
What do you think? Korg (talk) 18:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- To answer my first question, there are currently 82 unpatrolled edits for the past month, according to a query made on Quarry (with SQL code found in an HTML comment in Wikispecies:Patroller/Backlog/nrraw [7]). Korg (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Synonym subheadings
[edit]Is there a difference between ==={{int:Synonyms}}=== and ==={{int:Synonymy}}===? I see both in use. Is one preferred, and should we standardise? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: Current norm: Help:Name_section#Synonyms_or_Synonymy; Previous discussions: Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 63#Synonyms section; Special:PermaLink/9721237#Synonym_or_synonymy; Special:PermaLink/9665084#Synonyms_vs._Synonymy.
- Now I am inclined to regard 'Synonymy' applicable to both zoology and botany, in the latter of which works such as Flora of the Guianas, Series A: Phanerogams (example) and Tropicos (example) adopt 'Synonymy' (sub)heading. If not prevailing, not a few sources adopt 'Synonymy' though POWO, one of the most common botanical databases, does 'Homotypic/Heterotypic Synonyms' anyways (example). --Eryk Kij (talk) 16:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- My preference is to keep the present system. We discussed this before and nothing has changed since that decision and so see no reason to standardise. Botanic taxonomy is not the same as zoology, after all they have very different codes and differing terms. I also think the three types of synonyms used in botany to be very useful and must be kept. Andyboorman (talk) 17:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
BHL
[edit]Please note that this resource is down due to extensive maintenance on Internet Archive. See here as an example. It is likely to be days not weeks!Andyboorman (talk) 08:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
The createRedirects.js script works again
[edit]A few months ago, it was reported that the createRedirects.js script created by Rillke, which is used to create redirects from synonyms to a given page, was no longer functional (see Wikispecies:Village Pump/Archive 68#The script common.js).
It had been created at User:Rillke/createRedirects.js [script not working] and several users copied it to their "common JavaScript" page, located at Special:MyPage/common.js.
Thanks to Nardog, the script works again! It has been forked to User:Nardog/createRedirects.js (see changes).
You can update your common.js page by deleting all the code from the previous version of the script and importing the new version directly using the following code:
importScript('User:Nardog/createRedirects.js');
You may have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes.
Pinging users who have installed this script: Accassidy, Andyboorman, BerndH, Dan Koehl, Fagus, Franz Xaver, MILEPRI, Orchi, PicTrans, RLJ, Sminthopsis84, Thiotrix, Tommy Kronkvist, Uleli.
(Users found using Global Search.) Korg (talk) 10:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Magnifico, funciona correctamente. Gracias.--MILEPRI (talk) 10:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the update, Korg – and to Nardog of course, for fixing the script! Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks for this fix. Works a treat. Andyboorman (talk) 15:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the update. Orchi (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks for the fix. --Thiotrix (talk) 08:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the update. Orchi (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Preliminary results of the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
[edit]Hello all,
Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election. Close to 6000 community members from more than 180 wiki projects have voted.
The following four candidates were the most voted:
While these candidates have been ranked through the vote, they still need to be appointed to the Board of Trustees. They need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. New trustees will be appointed at the next Board meeting in December 2024.
Learn more about the results on Meta-Wiki.
Best regards,
The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group
MPossoupe_(WMF) 08:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
BHL
[edit]BHL is not showing pages, message says: "Internet Archive is currently down. As a result, page images are not displaying in BHL." Any insight on what's going on or when it will be back? --Hector Bottai (talk) 21:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- They suffered a major DDoS attack a week or so ago; they are slowly working on improving the site security, but it may be a few days yet till things are up and working again fully - MPF (talk) 08:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hector Bottai: There is more information (through links) on our Twitter account: @Wikispecies. Also, some internet sources say it might be a good idea to change your Internet Archive password, if you have registered a user account. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 09:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).
- Indeed, if you had an account, change the password, the passwords were stolen. Fortunately for myself I didn't have one there! - MPF (talk) 09:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't have either.--Hector Bottai (talk) 11:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do, though at the moment it seems to be impossible to log in to change it... In any case all my passwords are always unique and I use two-factor authentication wherever possible, so I think I should be fine in the long run. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC).
- Just heard that Internet Archive is now back online. I can confirm that pages on BHL now display again too. Monster Iestyn (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you for notifying. I made a tweet about it yesterday, too. Most services are back online, but it's still not possible to log in (which in all honesty doesn't really matter, for most users). –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 06:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC).
Seeking volunteers to join several of the movement’s committees
[edit]Each year, typically from October through December, several of the movement’s committees seek new volunteers.
Read more about the committees on their Meta-wiki pages:
Applications for the committees open on 16 October 2024. Applications for the Affiliations Committee close on 18 November 2024, and applications for the Ombuds commission and the Case Review Committee close on 2 December 2024. Learn how to apply by visiting the appointment page on Meta-wiki. Post to the talk page or email cst@wikimedia.org with any questions you may have.
For the Committee Support team,
-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Pages that use Structured Discussions/Flow will be archived
[edit]Hello
This is an important message regarding your wiki. Any page that uses Structured Discussions/Flow (like here) will change.
Flow, also known as Structured Discussions, is an obsolete tool that causes a lot of maintenance problems. It has been decided to remove this tool from the wikis.
Starting today, a script will move all user pages that use Flow to a sub-pages, to archive them. A link to that archive will be created on the user talk page. When the move will be done, the talk page will become a regular talk page.
A previous message was sent to any page that user who uses Structured Discussions/Flow at their talk page.
The next step will start on October 27, it won't be possible to add any new topic or response to any page that uses Structured Discussions/Flow. All Structured Discussions/Flow contents will be converted to wikitext later.
Please let me know if you have any questions! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Bot please
[edit]Can anybody provide a bot to automatically change == Links == into === links ===? The problem with the first iteration is that is also gives an unnecessary section break. Links are part of the Reference Section and not a separate stand alone section surely? There are hundreds of these mistakes. Thanks in advance. Andyboorman (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is confusing to me. Can you give me a for instance? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Drosera miniata one of a number in this genus. Can you help? Andyboorman (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Silly me: I thought the problem was "links" versus "Links", but it's H2 headers versus H3 headers. It should be trivial to have an AWB run to fix this. I haven't even tried to use AWB on my Linux machine in many years, but I'll see if I can do it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, if you can it will be brilliant. Andyboorman (talk) 19:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Silly me: I thought the problem was "links" versus "Links", but it's H2 headers versus H3 headers. It should be trivial to have an AWB run to fix this. I haven't even tried to use AWB on my Linux machine in many years, but I'll see if I can do it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Drosera miniata one of a number in this genus. Can you help? Andyboorman (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Ipomoea
[edit]Hello fellow editors. It is now accepted that the infrageneric classification of Ipomoea is no longer accepted (Wood et al., 2020). Unfortunately there has been no formal Linnean replacement as yet. Therefore, I have removed the old out dated classification and we await developments in due course. I have redirected the subgenera, sections and series. In addition, I notice that there are many pages yet to be added and a lot of existing taxon pages are more or less stubs. Please feel free to help update this important genus. Many thanks Andyboorman (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)