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I'm written to a few people who have contributed to the discussion on Mr Robot in the past in the hope of getting more opinions on my proposed edit. If you either support or oppose, or have other suggestions, please feel free to contribute here, as we appear to be at an impasse. Hzh (talk) 22:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fearsear (talk • contribs) 20:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I was wondering if you could possibly comment at Talk:Angie Tribeca#Seasons 2–11 being one-episode seasons? Chihciboy (talk) 11:55, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lifetime has announced the cancellation of the series my info is correct Dwtd101 (talk) 19:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dwtd101: thank you for your notice. I am not sure what your info is. One of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be verifiable, by being clearly attributed to reliable sources, preferably using inline citations. Please add such references along with the contents that you add to all articles, otherwise it will get challenged or removed. If you need any help, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia or ask at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page, or just ask me.–Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 19:45, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since we're aiming at consistency throughout the TV project, I've started a discussion about episode count templates at WT:TV. Your comments would be appreciated. The discussion is here. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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As you intervened earlier, FYI ERIDU-DREAMING has of course reverted the episode titles, with no sources, and a really insulting and obnoxious attitude. 202.81.248.11 (talk) 02:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look man, I added the critical acclaim to white collar and burn notice in the first place. I used to to be a fanboy of USA Network so that's why I said that those shows received critical acclaim. But the reality is that they didn't. They were just fun, enjoyable, escapist television. Take it from someone who has seen 9 shows on the USA Network. On Monk and Mr. Robot have received critical acclaim. So please remove that segment from both of those show's pages. I added them in the first place!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedJohn1 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@RedJohn1:

• Regarding your changes to USA network shows, I undid your recent changes on Da Vinci's Demons and Graceland. I checked the content (e.g., the Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic scores) that you removed and I see nothing wrong with it or why it should be removed.
• I noticed that none of your edits has an edit summary. Please be sure to provide a summary of every edit you make. The summaries are very helpful to people browsing an article's history. Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes.
• Note that in general you do not WP:OWN the edits that you made to Wikipedia and you will have to justify to remove them later. If you feel you have made an error, you can always explain the specific reason for your correction in the edit summary to avoid misunderstandings.
• The sections about critical acclaim that you refer to on White Collar and Burn Notice were not reverted by me, so you might want to ask Drmargi on that.

–Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 20:24, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding my edits to 24, and The Avengers, I'm sorry. They were pointless. I will never do something stupid like that again. However, I'm a veteran USA Network scholar. I've seen a lot of shows and I've read a lot of critical reviews regarding their shows. As I said, I'm the one who added the critical acclaim in the first place. Let me remove them. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedJohn1 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Can we make the bordertown episode pages just like family guy did? (Crazybob2014 (talk) 21:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC))[reply]

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Hi, I reordered the cast list on the Humans page as they were previously ordered alphabetically instead of their importance within the show. If you wish to check, the appearances made by each character are listed here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4122068/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm . In future, I would be grateful if you checked with me before undoing major edits. Thanks :) TRC, 28/01/2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Raincloud Kid (talk • contribs) 22:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Raincloud Kid, according to the MOS WP:TVCAST, the order of the cast list is determined by the order they are credited. That was the order before you changed it. In this case the credit order is almost alphabetical, except Hurt. Also, IMDb is not a reliable source, see WP:USERGENERATED. You also could have also checked the talk page on that issue. I restore the proper order per MOS. –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, apologies, I'll bear that in mind in future. However, every time you 'undo' my edits you are removing plenty of edits which simply improved the grammar of the page, and are not linked to the order of the cast (all cast order edits I made are marked appropriately). Could you please 're-do' those edits I made which are not cast order-related? Thanks. TRC, 28/1/2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Raincloud Kid (talk • contribs) 22:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Raincloud Kid: There you go. I hope I haven't missed anything. Otherwise please edit it back in. Unrelated FYI: "Signing" talk pages works by typing ~~~~ (four tildes) at the end of your message. –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 23:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks again! The Raincloud Kid (talk) 23:08, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, I agree with the Paraphrasing Warnings on Continental Railways. I viewed one of the links and can see that, apart from a minor change in grammar and sentence structure, it just about copies the summary on the BBC page. Left mention of this in the article's talk page for further discussion, though I may just try to redo those summaries myself at a later date.

As for American Railroads' Article, I wasn't sure if it did Paraphrase from the BBC Websites or not, but decided to redo the summaries. I believe they are in a original manner, but what do you think? They don't appear copied from the summaries on the BBC Webpages pertaining to each episode, do they?GUtt01 (talk) 15:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@GUtt01: Yes, the summaries in Great American Railroad Journeys were closely paraphrased from the original BBC texts, and still show some signs of it.

Yes, there is no other way to say the geographical names "Long Island" or "Grand Central Terminal" so all those will be fine. But there is an almost one-to-one correspondence between the sentence structure from BBC to the "summaries", with some minor grammatical changes such as turning a relative clause into a gerund. Second, the wording is way too similar where there is no reason for it: He "visits the grim tenement buildings where thousands of the city's immigrants lived and worked" is just not the only possible way in English to describe that part of the episode, and neither is there no other way than writing something similar to "he narrowly avoids a scrap with a historic gang". You have these examples all over these "summaries". Even worse, some of the changes to avoid verbatim copy-and-paste even made the content wrong, such as the world's first steel suspension bridge that suddenly (which would have been fine to write) turned into the world's first suspension bridge (that's not the Brooklyn Bridge).

The right way to write those summaries is to take your own notes while or after watching the episode and not look at the BBC texts. You will notice that the outcome is quite different except for the geographical locations. It will probably have the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age, but not their "dodgy political deal/ing/s".

Also, the BBC texts are full of superlatives and sensational adjectives that should not be part of an encyclopedic summary anyway, such as the "ambitious" engineering project, the "most infamous" train robbers, the "greatest" turncoat in American history, "one of America's greatest writers", the "incredible" story of the bridge. And all those would not be in there if you just take your own notes from the episode itself, and not copy them from the BBC summary.

So I advise doing that. –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dark Cocoa Frosting: Just wanted to let you know, that someone redid the summaries for Continental Journeys, but I'm uncertain if that looks better. What do you think? Meanwhile, gonna try to do the summaries for American Railroads to be better, just uncertain how exactly. I've watched, but can't be certain what would make each episodes' short summary sound original. Please check my latest revision when you can, and I don't mind changes from you, if needed. GUtt01 (talk) 18:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@GUtt01: I am happy with anything that is not copy-paste or another form of plagiarism. Thank you for your edits. –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 12:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dark Cocoa Frosting: Thanks. I will keep to that style I have used, with the rest of American Railroad Journeys (once I have watched the next ones I haven't viewed). As for Continental Journeys, I will redo it to that style as well, when I get time; I don't know what the editor thought when doing it, but to me, it doesn't appear encyclopaedic. Neutrally styled writing - yes; encyclopaedic - Quite uncertain. GUtt01 (talk) 11:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve revised the first leg of GBRJ Series 7 to remove "copy & paste" but seeing your suggestions here further revision may be appropriate. I will give priority to the next leg where entries are still "copy & paste" rather than to this reworking but will aim to be more thorough. Would making notes from the programme itself be original research? JDE 2.97.35.238 (talk) 18:48, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@2.97.35.238: Writing a summary of a TV show (episode) based on the programme itself (the primary source) is allowed. You do not need to base your summary on someone else's summary. This is not original research, as long as you do not add your own interpretation. (In the case of these programmes I would say the risk of adding interpretation in a summary is zero, it is pretty clear where Portillo goes and what he does.) –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 19:29, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for feedback. JDE2.99.45.31 (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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