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    This is an informal place to resolve small content disputes as part of dispute resolution. It may also be used as a tool to direct certain discussions to more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment, or other noticeboards. You can ask a question on the talk page. This is an early stop for most disputes on Wikipedia. You are not required to participate, however, the case filer must participate in all aspects of the dispute or the matter will be considered failed. Any editor may volunteer! Click this button to add your name! You don't need to volunteer to help. Please feel free to comment below on any case. Be civil and remember; Maintain Wikipedia policy: it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements. Editors must take particular care adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. This may also apply to some groups.

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    Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
    Title Status User Time User Time User Time
    RRR Closed SaibaK (t) 8 days, 17 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 days, 3 hours Robert McClenon (t) 3 days, 3 hours
    Jagtar Singh Hawara Closed Write&Publish (t) 1 days, 1 hours Robert McClenon (t) 7 hours Robert McClenon (t) 7 hours
    Washtub Bass New DaveCW (t) 1 hours None n/a DaveCW (t) 1 hours

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    Last updated by FireflyBot (talk) at 22:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Current disputes

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    RRR

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    – General close. See comments for reasoning.
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    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Have you discussed this on a talk page?

    Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

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    Dispute overview

    Movie RRR gathered praise from international filmmakers such as Steven Spielberg, James Cameron etc. which is highly unusual for an Indian movie. Such praise has been widely covered in media and a section was made to list the international filmmakers which praised it with detailed citations. However, some editors are deleting it again and again saying that it can't be included despite it being newsworthy and notable. We have discussed this extensively on the Talk page over the months, but the dispute continues.

    How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:RRR#Inclusion_of_acclaim_by_filmmakers_for_RRR

    How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

    Kindly provide comment on a) how whether or not the section contains notable information, b) is well cited or not c) should be entirely deleted or not despite being notable and well cited

    Summary of dispute by Jayanthkumar123

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    Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

    RRR discussion

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    Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
    Hi @Robert McClenon
    Thanks for pointing that out. The user has now been notified on his talk page: User talk:Jayanthkumar123#Dispute resolution notification. Apologies for missing this step earlier.
    On a side note, this has also been earlier notified through the talk page on the topic to the user: Talk:RRR#Inclusion of acclaim by filmmakers for RRR
    We look forward to your kind thoughts towards a resolution. Thanks. SaibaK (talk) 06:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Zeroth statement by possible moderator (RRR)

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    So far, only the filing editor has responded. Rather than close the case due to lack of response, I will provide one more opportunity for the other editor to agree to moderated discussion. Please read DRN Rule E and state whether you agree to follow those rules, and whether you understand that the contentious topics procedure is in effect because the subject matter is about India. The purpose of moderated discussion is to improve the article. Please specify what changes you want to make to the article, including what paragraph and what wording, that the other editor does not want, or what you want to leave the same that the other editor wants to change.

    If both editors reply within 48 hours, we will begin moderated discussion. Otherwise I will provide advice to the filing editor on what to do next. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi @Robert McClenon
    Thanks for the note. Yes, I agree with following DRN Rule E and understand that the contentious topics procedure is in effect.
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    As you advised above, am including below the change that I would request for inclusion in the wikipedia article of RRR (note: citations for each are giving in the section after that).
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    Reception by international filmmakers
    Steven Spielberg praised RRR, saying "I couldn't believe my eyes – it was like eye candy...it was extraordinary to look at and experience." Rajamouli said in response "I can almost get up from the chair and do a dance – it means a lot to me." [1] (citation in section below)
    James Cameron said that he liked RRR so much that he watched it twice and praised the screenplay, direction and music direction of the movie. [2] (citation in section below)
    JJ Abrams said that he loves the ‘fever dream madness’ of RRR as he introduced SS Rajamouli at LA’s Chinese Theatre.[3] (citation in section below)
    Edgar Wright said that RRR was "an absolute blast" and said it was "The only film I have ever seen where the intermission card itself got a round of applause." [4] (citation in section below)
    Christopher Miller has praised RRR, describing it as "like Michael Bay and Baz Luhrmann and Stephen Chow teamed up to make a movie. It was 3 hours long but it could have been 4 hours and I would’ve still enjoyed it." [5] (citation in section below)
    Adam McKay publicly expressed support to RRR for the Oscar awards race. [6] (citation in section below)
    James Gunn said that about RRR that he "Totally dug it." [7] (citation in section below)
    Russo Brothers have publicly expressed their appreciation for RRR and its director SS Rajamouli . Joe Russo mentioned “I’ve seen RRR, and it’s amazing." He further mentions "What I think is so amazing about [RRR] is the emotion it evokes, combined with the spectacle."[8][9] (citation in section below)
    Scott Derrickson tweeted "To celebrate my birthday last night, my wife, kids and I watched @RRRMovie — what an awesomely outrageous roller coaster of a movie. Loved it"[10] (citation in section below)
    Joe Dante called RRR a brutal portrait that depicts the horrors of British colonisation and said that "I bet you’ve never seen anything quite like it" [11] (citation in section below)
    Jason Blum expressed his expectations that RRR could win Best Picture Oscar 2023 [12] (citation in section below)
    Daniel Kwan lauded the film, saying "While a lot of the blockbusters we're making in the states tend to have self aware, cheeky characters trapped in self-serious filmmaking, RRR was all heart-on-its-sleeve sincerity wrapped up in the most ridiculous over the top execution. So much to love." [13] (citation in section below)
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    The citation for the above
    [1] Ramachandran, Naman (10 February 2023). "Steven Spielberg, S.S. Rajamouli Talk 'RRR,' 'The Fabelmans': Watch Video (EXCLUSIVE)"Variety. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [2] "James Cameron praises RRR, asks SS Rajamouli if he wants to make Hollywood film" Hindustan Times. 21 January 2023. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [3] "JJ Abrams says he loves the 'fever dream madness' of RRR as he introduces SS Rajamouli at LA's Chinese Theatre. Watch". The Indian Express. 10 January 2023. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [4] "Baby Driver, Scott Pilgrim director Edgar Wright praises SS Rajamouli's RRR: An absolute blast". Hindustan Times. 14 August 2022. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [5] Miller, Christopher (15 June 2022). "Christopher Miller on RRR
    [6] "Don't Look Up director Adam McKay calls India's RRR snub 'a travesty', pledges support for SS Rajamouli film". The Indian Express. 22 September 2022. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [7] "Marvel directors James Gunn and Scott Derrickson praise RRR: 'Loved it'". Hindustan Times. 17 July 2022. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [8] "Joe Russo heaps praise on SS Rajamouli's RRR, calls it a 'well done epic'". Hindustan Times. 23 July 2022. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [9] "Russo brothers and 'RRR' director S.S. Rajamouli on the 'universal language' of action movies". EW.com. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [10] Derrickson, Scott (17 July 2022). "Scott Derrickson on RRR". The Indian Express. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [11] "Gremlins director Joe Dante calls SS Rajamouli's RRR a 'brutal portrait of British colonization': 'You've never seen anything quite like it'". The Indian Express. 19 July 2022. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [12] "Hollywood producer Jason Blum predicts RRR will win Best Picture at Oscars: 'Mark it down, please'". Hindustan Times. 9 January 2023. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
    [13] "'I'm working in the wrong country', says Hollywood director Daniel Kwan after watching RRR". Hindustan Times. 20 October 2022. Retrieved 14 July 2024.
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    Other links:
    The change can be seen with the proper citation in the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RRR&oldid=1235982253#Reception_by_international_filmmakers
    That contribution has since then been completely deleted by the other editor Jayanthkumar123 and discussion about the same can be seen in the talk page of RRR.
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    Thanks a lot for your time and consideration regarding the moderation.
    With regards,
    SaibaK SaibaK (talk) 20:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeroth statements by editors (RRR)

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    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Jagtar Singh Hawara

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    – General close. See comments for reasoning.
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    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Have you discussed this on a talk page?

    Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

    Location of dispute

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    Dispute overview

    Revert by user GSS because he had an issue with the lead section. However, I revised it to reflect his concern. My edit contains generally the same content, and I have improved the grammar and updated the references with reliable sources. GSS says he has an issue with other areas of the edit; however, after asking which other sentance, he has not yet specified. If there is an issue with a particular sentence, it could be revised. Why revert the entire edit, which took me considerable time to contribute? I'm trying to resolve this in good faith; however, it does not seem the same from the opposing side.

    How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

    Talk:Jagtar Singh Hawara#Revert by GSS User talk:GSS#Jagtar Singh Hawara

    How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

    My contribution should be respected, and if there is an issue with a particular sentence, it could be revised, I am open to compromise.

    Summary of dispute by GSS

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    Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

    Write&Publish is attempting to whitewash the article by pushing the same narrative that user "1forever&ever" had previously promoted. When asked to explain why they removed crucial information from the lead section, they failed to provide a convincing answer, responding instead with "In my opinion." Additionally, the user removed essential content from the infobox and other parts of the article and added content without proper sourcing. This behavior mirrors that of user "1forever&ever," who was blocked just three months before this account was created. Given the similarities between their contributions and those of "1forever&ever," I have filed a SPI (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NZMann). Thank you, GSS 💬 05:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Jagtar Singh Hawara discussion

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    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Washtub Bass

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    – New discussion.

    Have you discussed this on a talk page?

    Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

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    Dispute overview

    There is an edit war for "Washtub Bass" page. An unknown player has been added to the Notable Players section. I say unknown, because provided citations list multiple washtub players in one band, and do not correspond to the player name given in the article's text.

    Merely playing an instrument does not rise to the level of notability. No citation makes note of any specific player. No citation makes note of the instrument beyond a simple list. No citation makes note of any proficiency on the instrument. No citation links to a recording with notable playing on it.

    The provided citations also list guitar and mandolin among other instruments, but no one would accept this as proof of notability in the Wikipedia articles on guitar or mandolin.

    Particularly egregious was the original deletion of the clarification that "Grammy nominated" refers to the packaging design. This is an important qualification for readers - important enough to be deleted by an obvious self-promoter. Deletion of this potentially embarrassing qualification is indicative of the promotional stance of TaipeiScene, and their unsuitability as a judge of notability.

    The nature of the instrument seems to invite commercial and band promotion. Some geographic locations might only have one band with a washtub. Such bands often have a rotating slate of washtub players, suggesting that serious practice time is not involved. For example, the Quarry Men had 4 players, none of whom rose to notability for their virtuosity - rather they are notable because of the extraordinary history of Quarry Men and the Beatles. There were multiple bands in the UK with tea-chest basses, including bands that Ringo Star and Van Morrison played in, but also many more. They cannot be listed as notable because there were so many. This band appears to be the only one in their area - not enough for notability outside of their locality.

    I have responded in the form of giving reasons for reverting, and on the article's Talk page.


    How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Washtub_bass

    How do you think we can help resolve the dispute?

    This edit war is not going to end until someone steps in. I have put to much care into this page to see it descend into self-promotion, and I have been consistent in this for years.

    Summary of dispute by TaipeiScene

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    Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

    Washtub Bass discussion

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    It appears "Washtub bass" is the correct spelling of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveCW (talk • contribs) 22:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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