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Hello, everyone! I'd like to invite you all to sign up for the upcoming 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. The event runs from July 1 to September 30 and signups close on July 15. The WikiContest focuses on developing countries, which Indonesia is a part of. The intention is to improve the English Wikipedia's coverage and comprehension of articles related to developing countries. For this reason, you may also expect that articles related to Indonesia may be heavily edited during the contest. More information on how points will be awarded can be found at Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring. For comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. Thank you! (Copied with permission of Chlod) CMD (talk) 12:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone - It would be great to get some more eyes on the merge discussion at Talk:Jakarta Charter#Merge proposal. The proposed merge (of Committee of Nine (Indonesia) into the main Jakarta Charter article) could use some more opinions. Hope to see you over there. Ckfasdf (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With regret, I bring the news that User:Hanif Al Husaini has recently passed away. He had listed himself as a participant of this Wikiproject. You can leave comments on User talk:Hanif Al Husaini. starship.paint (RUN) 01:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the article Candra Wijaya has a hatnote which claims that this individuals family name is "Candra Wijaya", is this accurate? Are they a single double family name or a case of two family names used by a person? The Wikidata item for the individual seems to treat "Candra" as a given name. ★Trekker (talk) 17:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthroponymy#How_to_categorize_surnames_that_aren't_really_surnames? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an ongoing deletion discussion concerning a place in Indonesia. The article has no sources, but I see that the Indonesian Wikipedia version of the article has some. Could someone add these to the English article to save it from deletion? Un assiolo (talk) 23:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One is an unrelated list of provinces which won't help. The other is a statistics publication which while useful won't help with notability. A couple of better sources have been shared at the AfD already, although more would be useful. CMD (talk) 00:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The major problem was that about 2012 a large number of stubs were created for lower level places in Jakarta and other places in Indonesia, and they stayed more less untouched. The next level up - the Cengkareng and similar articles are - as far as the problem of notability and verifiability is concerned, covered by associations with historical events within their area, that can be verified. As the editing in the Jakarta lower level locations has never been systematically reviewed, it is likely that a process of deciding either here or whereever, should consider whether low level stubs are justifiable for Jakarta or not. There would have been a particular pertinent perspective on a capital that is being possibly supplanted by the Kalimantan location in the future, to gain a snapshot of the governance and administrative structure of the country capital, while it still is that, if it remains capital or not. JarrahTree 02:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, Duri Kosambi has 100,000 people - not exactly hard to expect something and it's not like it's a kelurahan in some kabupaten town. I will see if I can expand the article later. Juxlos (talk) 10:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined to support deletion, as I believe there is hardly anything notable in a "kelurahan"-level article. Even on idwiki, the content typically consists solely of geographical location and demographic information. This information could be more appropriately included in a "kecamatan"-level article. Ckfasdf (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nusantara (city)#Requested move 16 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would people be interested in joining a wikiproject on improving and creating articles about oral tradition? Wikipedia's coverage on this appears to be very poor Kowal2701 (talk) 19:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also think it's a subject that needs expanding, sadly I'm not expert myself.★Trekker (talk) 20:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only an amateur and am new to it, you don't need any expertise. If other people are interested I'd like to have key resources on the main page for people to learn about it. Jan Vansina's book Oral tradition as history [1] is probably the best place to start for a general understanding Kowal2701 (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check it out.★Trekker (talk) 22:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know if this flag even legit? Flag of Sulawesi Separatist Movement

I can't seem to find any information about the supposed "Sulawesi Separatist Movement" let alone any use of said flag. The only reference I could find is This but I don't think it's reliable and/or credible enough.

If it's fictional I recommend taking it off from pages such as: List of Indonesian flags EvoSwatch (talk) 09:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen a lot of dubious "historical" or "separatist flags" lately and many seems to be traced back to crwflags.com. I'm not familiar with the website, is it considered WP:RS? Unlike problems with provincial/city flags, these are harder to verify. Nyanardsan (talk) 17:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uncertainty, and lack of anything to WP:VERIFY please remove... JarrahTree 15:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a move proposal at Talk:Kertanegara of Singhasari. Please participate in it. Neocorelight (Talk) 23:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of now I'm not suggesting changing or anything, though I'm intrigued to hear what you guys might say.

Translations and its official counterpart according to "The Military English Handbook" published by the Army Personnel Staff, October 2012. pp. 40, 46.

Kodam / Military Regional Command => Military Area Command

Korem / Military Resort Command => Military Subarea Command

Kodim / Military District Command => Military District Command

Koramil / Military Rayon Command => Military Subdistrict Command

Babinsa / Village Trustee NCO => Village Management Senior NCO

Both are correct translations, but I'm interested in you guys opinion on the matter. And yes 'Rayon' is real word. - EvoSwatch (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:RSUEQ Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians. And IMO, official translation can be considered as reliable source. Therefore, I have no objection if we change the translations for Indonesian military terms. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inviting all active students at the University of Indonesia who have actively edited Wikipedia/its sister project in the past or present to join the Universitas Indonesia wiki community here. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ucu Agustin has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Batik has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday (around the end of July) I was going to remove all the flags in every Regency in Indonesia (maybe not qualified as WP:V), well there are several flags that already have regional regulations but it doesn't clearly state what the flags are like (for example backgrounds, shields, etc.) like this archive. For this reason, is it better to just remove the flag in each Regency or not? considering that the regional regulations in each district do not specifically mention it. Baqotun0023 (talk) 05:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the flag meets the verifiability policy, then I see no reason to exclude it from the article. How do we determine that it meets the verifiability policy?

• There is a specific regulation governing the flag of the regency or city, such as West Bandung Regency.
• The official website of the city or regency explicitly mentions their flag, such as Bandung City.
• We can find an image of the flag displayed at the regency or city office, such as in Depok City (on this image, the flag of Depok is clearly visible behind the mayor of Depok).
• We can find an image of the flag held by the regency or city contingent at a sports event, such as the Bogor City flag (on this image and this image, the flag of Bogor City is clearly carried by the Bogor City sports contingent.)

Note that I plan to use the same approach for the provincial flag discussion. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, the only reasons to exclude a flag would be if it is completely unsourced—no regulation, no mention on the official website, no image from the regency or city office, essentially no reliable information—or if the available sources conflict with each other. For example, if the regulation states the flag background is black, the official website says it's green, and an image at the regency or city office shows a white background. In short, the reason would be that it fails the verifiability policy. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue of flagcruft and blatant overuse in the delightful field of football/soccer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Football_in_Indonesia) is a separate subject obviously, but interesting that the material can be utilised to assist the issue raised above.

it is commendable that there is an effort to clarify and verify for purposes of what wp:en has in relation to WP:V. JarrahTree 03:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, any Indonesian speakers would be able to locate any sources describing this village in Indonesian for Boho, North Sumatra? If not, might need to merge this article within another Indonesia related article and quote info from the source currently added. Much of the current info in the article, while interesting, is not reflected in the current source. Thanks Saussure4661 (talk) 16:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking as someone with a lot of affection for the Lake Toba area, does a village that small need a wikipedia article? Dan Carkner (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello WP Indonesia, I'm hoping someone familiar with Indonesia & its media landscape can help me identify whether or not either Central Kalimantan Today (located at https://kaltimtoday.co/) or The Voice of Indonesia (located at https://voi.id/en) are WP:RELIABLESOURCES; the "Entertainment" sections in specific.

I checked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Resources but didn't see much as far as a comprehensive list of Indonesian sources that are known to be reliable similar to the one for Korea.

Thanks! RachelTensions (talk) 21:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RachelTensions: As an Indonesian, I had not heard of Kaltim Today before. It seems to be a local or regional news outlet that primarily covers topics related to East Kalimantan (with 'Kaltim' being short for Kalimantan Timur, and 'Timur' meaning 'East' in Indonesian). Their reporters are listed as members of the Indonesian Journalists Association, and their website mentions a fact-checking process and editorial oversight, which suggests they might meet the criteria for a credible news organization under WP:NEWSORG. However, I would advise using sources with broader, national coverage instead.

In contrast, Voi.id is a nationally recognized news outlet with a more established reputation and a larger team of reporters. I believe it qualifies as a reliable source per WP:NEWSORG. Ckfasdf (talk) 22:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has come to my attention there is a wikipage that contains seemingly fabricated if not fictitious data, and I think we should do something about it.

The page: Rantastia Nur Alangan

it's similar to Rangga Sasana but the wording on that page seems like it's presenting itself as 'factual' and I think this is dangerous to the credibility of idwiki.

″former military attaché of the Royal Prussian Order in Indonesia based in Russia. Rantastia was also promoted to General Oberst.″

I don't think it's appropriate for a wikipedia page. Feels a lot like a "schizo posting" for a lack of a better term than an actual article. - EvoSwatch (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is english wikipedia - and as such we have no capacity to deal with the id wiki -

you should take your concern to members of https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pengurus JarrahTree 14:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks. - EvoSwatch (talk) 15:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kekal has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The id:Tabrakan kereta api di Talerddig 2024 article needs correction. "Jalur kereta api antara Machynlleth dan Aberystwyth, serta Dovey Junction dan Pwllheli ditutup akibat kecelakaan ini" needs to be replaced with "Jalur kereta api antara Machynlleth dan Shrewsbury ditutup akibat kecelakaan ini". I've tried doing this myself, but am getting a warning and am unable to save the edit. I don't speak Indonesian and have no idea what the warning is about. Mjroots (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Peruri 88 article discusses a purported skyscraper development in Jakarta (a very large and expensive project). It was (apparently - no source) to be finished by 2020. Does anyone have any references to support claims that construction was even started? If so, what is the state of the project now? I can't find anything beyond design stuff when searching online. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 18:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Finlay McWalter: As of October 2024, I couldn't find any recent updates on this skyscraper development. All sources found date back to 2012, leading me to believe the project may have been abandoned. This could potentially warrant an AfD. Ckfasdf (talk) 08:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This was my suspicion too. Is there any RS that we can show about what the state of the site is now? -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 09:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is very recent (July 2024) photography on Google StreetView of the area, which certainly doesn't have a skyscraper and doesn't appear to show a cleared area or a large construction site. The article has coords, but not a street address, so I can't definitely see which block(s) would be levelled for this. Can someone else take a look, please. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 09:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The creator of the article is still editing, maybe needs to be asked what happened? JarrahTree 09:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that Ckfasdf has nominated the article at AfD, and has informed user:M R Karim Reza, the creator. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes.. I have nominated the article for AfD. Please feel free to add your comments to the AfD discussion. Ckfasdf (talk) 13:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:FWD Tower#Requested move 1 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. asilvering (talk) 17:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anggun has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]