Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 19

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 19, 2024.

• Burin en-bec-de-flute → Burin (lithic flake)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "en-bec-de-flute" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Well, it is evidently a standard term and should be added. Johnbod (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Now added. You could have done this yourself. Johnbod (talk) 02:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnbod En-bec-de-flute is not bec-de-flute. Should this be moved to Burin bec-de-flute then? I've brought it here purposefully because I prefer it deleted (and still do as long as there's no mention of "en-bec-de-flute"), especially not inserting it to a page using only a Google search result as a reference URL, as it has been done so. But at least there is added content to warrant a Bec-de-flute target, so I'll thank you for improving the pedia. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 03:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at google the term is used in different formations. Yes, a different redirect should probably set up, or a few. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That Google search is not a proper reference. Here is one that looks promising, but I need to get to other things and can't pursue this further at the moment.

Heizer, Robert F., and Harper Kelley. “Burins and Bladelets in the Cessac Collection from Santa Cruz Island, California.” Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, vol. 106, no. 2, 1962, pp. 94–105. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/985375. Accessed 20 Sept. 2024.

LadyofShalott 13:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a proper reference, but by all means add another. I'm not sure there isn't a difference between Old and New World defnitions. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Bruce Weber (reporter) → The New York Times  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no discussion or dialogue about a reporter named Bruce Weber at the target article, leaving searchers on a goose chase to read a long page to find nothing about their search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. I've not managed to find any coverage of him on en.wp (although as Bruce Weber (photographer) has also had work published in/reviewed by the New York Times it's quite possible I've missed something). Courtesy ping to Jmg38 who removed the entry from the dab page last year. Thryduulf (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Only two links: first was needlessly added in November 2023 to his name originally entered in an en.wiki article in 2005, a classic WP:WTAF that was not looking/needing to be written for the previous 18 years (and an edit should remove his name anyway - an unsupported advertisement for a teaching program that is sufficiently covered by the three properly bluelinked [still unsupported] examples given in the same sentence); second was needlessly added in December 2023 to his name originally entered in an en.wiki article in 2011, a link not needed for the previous 12 years (and an edit should remove the name on this one anyway - replace In his obituary for Peter Yates, Bruce Weber wrote, "Mr. Yates' reputation simply... with His obituary in The New York Times states that his "reputation simply... ). Jmg38 (talk) 01:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sometimes Wikipedia is not the best way to find info. Johnbod (talk) 03:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and the above. A7V2 (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Boussh → Princess Leia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Bous", "ssh" much less "Boussh" at the target article. Apparently this is a piece of Star Wars trivia. I can't tell whether this is supposed to be an alter ego name? At least, the contents of the article make no implication that this is supposed to be the case. This redirect otherwise leaves people guessing what this means or who this is, or if it's a lightsaber sound effect. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Leia was wearing Boussh's outfit when she infiltrated Jabba's palace at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. It could be added to the article and the redirect kept, or it could be deleted as the detail is too trivial, and the name "Boussh" is not stated in the film. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as a {{r from misspelling}} of Boushh, which was mentioned in the target article until it was removed in June. I just reinserted the mention. - Eureka Lott 20:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm not fully convinced that the mention is enough for Boushh to be a suitable redirect, but in any case per that redirect this should be refined to Princess Leia#Return of the Jedi where the mention is found. A7V2 (talk) 07:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Boston's best variety → WWBX  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "best" at the target article. The only mention of "Variety" is in the references, as a link to variety.com. The slogan for this radio is never implied, and not helpful as a search term bringing articles to a location where the slogan is never mentioned or discussed. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Utopes: "Boston's best variety" is, in fact, the radio station's actual slogan. It's even mentioned on the official website: https://www.audacy.com/mix1041 . Duckmather (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Readers who type this in will not know this from the article contents. Material should be added to the page, or the redirect should be removed, because as it stands its confusing and misleading due to a lack of context at the target. There might be an infobox parameter which could make the former option easier, unsure. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Utopes The reason it's not in the article is because Infobox radio station no longer has a slogan parameter, in keeping with removals in other infoboxes. Discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations/Archive 2021#Removing slogan parameter from Infobox radio station and Infobox television station. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - the logo in the infobox on WWBX includes this slogan. That alone is probably not enough, however. A7V2 (talk) 07:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Bosch Institute → Sydney Medical School  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Bosch", and only one mention of "institute" at the target article, this mention being a general usage. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Bo’oh’o’wa’er → T-glottalization  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The article for T-glottalization does not discuss water or "wa'er". This is type-able only as a meme, but the article in question does not discuss memes or any of their implications about Bri'ish pronunciation. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete en.wiki is not an indiscriminate collection of memes --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• BlockParty (game portal) → Nexon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of a feature called "blockparty" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Decco Bishop → List of Fair City characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No entry at the target page, only appears within a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Charlotte Bishop → List of Fair City characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No entry at the target page, just appears in a reference. Nothing really encyclopedic about this person. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Billy Rowan → List of The Bill characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target list of characters. I suppose they aren't "the Bill"... Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Cranberry Station → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Does not seem like we have any content on the GTA meaning of this, but there are Terra_Alta,_West_Virginia#History and Ilwaco_Railway_and_Navigation_Company#Cranberry_Station on other uses. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• DcVD → Dreamcast#Technical specifications  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"DcVD" or "Dreamcast Video Disc" not mentioned at the target article. Mika1h (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore without prejudice. This was blarred for "no sources", despite there being two sources in the article (although nothing inline). Two minutes on google finds multiple sources that might be reliable, and considering the era of the technology (~1998-2001) it's very likely that most sources are not online, so this needs proper evaluation. There are other uses of this acronym but none of them are mentioned on en.wp so disambiguation is not a relevant option. Thryduulf (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore article per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 07:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Bill Kilday → Niantic, Inc.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This individual might have worked for Niantic since its founding as Keyhole, but Kilday is not mentioned at the target article, so people looking for this topic will not receive any information pertinent to it within the prose. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to eventually write an improvement with the Niantic article to include Bill Kilday. Let's see if I can get something going for a sufficient mention of him in the Niantic article. – The Grid (talk) 15:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just updated the article to have a mention at least. I'll probably add more when I have the time – The Grid (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I don't think the bare mention added is enough to justify this redirect. A7V2 (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Subfebrile → Fever  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unfortunately no mention at target; it looks like a soft redirect to wikt:subfebrile is the only option right now. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Big Yud → Eliezer Yudkowsky  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Big Yud" at the target article. Tagged as an r from non-neutral name without mention, as it was upon creation in 2018. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support It is a joke name for Yudkowsky that is not used seriously, and almost certainly not in any RS. I doubt this redirect is helping anyone. Gbear605 (talk) 03:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's a joke name for Yudkowsky, which makes the existence of this redirect extremely funny. No Yuds were harmed in the making of this redirect. (I don't think it counts as non-neutral or offensive; I've only seen it used jokingly or affectionately.) – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Big Blag → Battletoads  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

R with history. No mention of a "Blag" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just redirect it to Battletoads_(1991_video_game), the article of the first video game. It's expected that the article on the franchise doesn't mention Blag. --uKER (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Big Bear (malt liquor) → Pabst Brewing Company  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

R with history. BLAR'd in 2020. No mention of "Big Bear" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is Hamm's Brewery#Hamm's Bear as a differential potential target. AFAICT the phrase "Big Bear" originated from Hamm's and was used e.g. as Big Bear Happenings corporate newsletter, December 1972.. But judging from the fact that malt liquor was a 1980's thing and Pabst purchased Hamm's in 1983, the malt liquor originated from Pabst. Not particularly notable. I'd say finish what was started and delete. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Barnsley Chop → Meat chop  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Barnsley chop → Meat chop  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of "Barnsley" at the target article, unclear relationship to the target besides that they are both a form of "chop". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note I've added the lowercase redirect to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Add content I'm very surprised we don't have much content about this (there is a mention in a footnote at Culture of England), and there is absolutely no shortage of sources about it (I'm not convinced the nominator has done any sort of BEFORE here). The only thing I'm uncertain of is where the mention is best, hopefully someone more familiar with editing food articles will know better than me. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Lamb and mutton#Cuts per Johnbod below. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and change the current target: Added to Lamb_and_mutton#Cuts, where it belongs. Totally notable if anyone wanted to do an article. Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and change per Johnbod. I agree that in its current form as proposed it is useless, and I see that if changed as proposed it would be useful, probably also delicious. DBaK (talk) 08:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Banapassport → Bandai Namco Entertainment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of a "passport" at the target article. No mention of "bana", implied to be short for "bandai namco", nor is there an implication of a "banapassport". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Banana Guard → List of Adventure Time characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Banana Guard appears as a unique fighter in MultiVersus. However, Banana Guard is not mentioned at the target article, and therefore misleads readers who navigate to this redirect. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Baduizm World Tour → Baduizm  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

R with history. No mention of such a world tour at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore article per WP:BLAR. A7V2 (talk) 07:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology → Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture and Technology  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

R with history. No mention of Baba Saheb, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep See [1] from the university's site. Relevant section: "Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering & Technology, Etawah was established during the year 1994-95. This college is a faculty of Technology of Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture & Technology, Kanpur-U.P." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• All my life, it's like I'm always just about to fall off the edge of the world's tallest building. I stopped falling the second I saw you. → West Side Story (2021 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "all my life", or any other part of this quote, at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• East Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Franklin Hill, Wisconsin → Wausau, Wisconsin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These do not appear at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Misha Gromov → Mikhail Gromov  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Yes, "Misha" is a standard shortening of Mikhail in Russian, but I can't find any source referring to the aviator with this shortening, so this seems to unambiguously refer to Mikhael Gromov (mathematician). (If this were to be kept though, then Michael Gromov should be retargeted to the disambig as well since it is only more likely to be ambiguous.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Dendrolaelaps baculus → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps baddeley → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps baixuelii → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps bakeri → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps balazyi → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps bengalensis → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps bialowiezae → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps bidentatus → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps bistilus → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dendrolaelaps brasiliensis → Dendrolaelaps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

List of ~120 titles from CAT:RAW. All of these are species that are listed on List of Dendrolaelaps species, apparently. However, each of these is a redirect to Dendrolaelaps, which mentions none of these. There may indeed be procedurally generated history in each, from User:qbugbot, among possibly others. Most of which are no longer mentioned in the sources, hence they've been converted into redirects. I am not an expert on these species, but I am an "expert" in knowing these are not useful redirects to Dendrolaelaps, and mislead readers with no current information at the target article. Notably, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 9#Dendrolaelaps aberratus closed as delete. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of Dendrolaelaps species maybe? Note that some entries there are redlinks, though there might be a case for unlinking the whole list. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@1234qwer1234qwer4:, many of these were created as redirects. Letting you know I have just added the previous discussion to this, where one species closed as delete. While most of these were created as redirects, some became auto-generated articles. However, they were BLAR'd after "no longer being in the cited reference", apparently. Dendrolaelaps langi is such an example. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• JSTC → Bauru-Arealva Airport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Apparently also refers to John Spendluffe Technology College. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to John Spendluffe Technology College, or disambiguate if there's more, but retargeting is better than keeping at the current target where the acronym isn't mentioned. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Utopes. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Four Fs (evolution → Four Fs (evolution)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Missing parenthesis makes this an unlikely search term; this is not how we do disambiguation. External links should not cause us to create unnatural, otherwise inappropriate titles. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:RDAB. Duckmather (talk) 23:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Now Dance 89 - 20 Smash Dance Hits (The 12" Mixes → Now That's What I Call Music! discography#Now Dance series (1985–2023)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Does not contain a closing parentheses. A common mistake, but unlikely search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:RDAB. No history. Duckmather (talk) 00:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete due to malformed dabifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Picton Airport (New Zealand → Koromiko, New Zealand  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Missing a closing redirect parenthesis. Seems to have been an intentional move? I can't parse it. I'd like to speedy it though, little history. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:RDAB. Only history was a page move. (Also, @Utopes, it's not missing a closing redirect, it's missing a closing parenthesis.) Duckmather (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ty for catching lol ;) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. A redirect without the typo exists (and links to the right article). Nurg (talk) 10:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The Devastator (film → The Devastator (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Missing a closing parentheses. A common mistake. Was converted into a redirect instead of being deleted. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:RDAB. This apparently used to be a stab at an article but was redirected in the very next edit. Duckmather (talk) 00:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete due to malformed dabifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete it was at this title for about a minute in May and the correct title was created by the same author about another minute later so there is probably no need for a history merge and as such there is nothing worth keeping in this page's history. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:RDAB. Also, per the page's edit history, seems this redirect should have been tagged for WP:G7 speedy deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as malformed. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Yippie-yi-o, yippie-yi-yay, ghost riders in the sky → (Ghost) Riders in the Sky: A Cowboy Legend  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "yippie" or "yay" at the target article. Highly implausible and seemingly subjective onomatopoeia baked into the title, not just prose. It doesn't appear in the prose. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• And I think to myself: 'What a wonderful world.' → What a Wonderful World  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "think" or "myself". This lyric is not discussed at the target page. People using this search term would already know the song title as it's baked into the redirect, and this is an implausible way of searching for such a song, as nobody would expect the song title to contain a colon and singular apostrophes around the "what a wonderful world", plus a period. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Everybody in the whole cell block was dancing to the Jailhouse Rock → Jailhouse Rock (song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

While this lyric does contain "Jailhouse Rock", that is more of a reason that people who type this, already know what the song is called. To that end, typing out the full lyric implies that they're looking for content related to the lyric. Unfortunately, this lyric is not mentioned at the target page. No mentions of "everybody", "cell", "block", "cellblock", "cell block", or "dancing" (the only use of "dancing" in the article, is as a category). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone → Big Yellow Taxi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of this phrase at the target article, no mentions of "always" or "till". This is not a likely term to use when searching for the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Except that it (along with "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot") is the part that most people remember - the title is buried in a single line towards the end. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That might be the case: that this string of 16 words is memorable in the context of the song. When people search Wikipedia, they search for titles of encyclopedia articles. If there's not a title, it scans the page contents for search matches. If you put this string in Google, "Big Yellow Taxi" is the first item that immediately pops up. The Genius lyric page, a link to Youtube, Big Yellow Taxi Wikipedia page, it's all right there. But Wikipedia isn't a lyric database. That line doesn't appear at the target page, so people searching for it in quotes will receive zero results. There's no way to know which line of the song is everyone's favorite, so unless there's sourced coverage about the line at the target article, and there's not, it's a confusing redirect without context. (Incidentally, they paved paradise and put up a parking lot actually has coverage at the target page, and exists as a redirect since 2007.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• All the young dudes carry the news, boogaloo dudes carry the news → All the Young Dudes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of the word "boogaloo" at the target article. This lyric is not discussed. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't care what people say: rock 'n' roll is here to stay → Rock and Roll Is Here to Stay  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of anything relating to "I don't care what people say". Nobody would type this, place a colon, and then remove the "a" and "d" and type 'n' instead of and. While people might say "rock n roll", nowhere in the article is this abbreviation used. Coupled with the first half, this phrase is not discussed at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks → Heart-Shaped Box  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of the word "locked" at the target article, and the mention of "weeks" is not in the context of the lyric. People looking for this subject will be misled, as it's not a lyric we cover at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I've been through the desert on a horse with no name, it felt good to be out of the rain → A Horse with No Name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of rain at the target article, totally implausible to type this entire thing when it contains the song name in question. With no material about this lyric at the target article, this is a confusing redirect which misleads readers who think we cover this subject when we do not. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I wrote it on the Starter cap → Stan (song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of a "starter cap" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Relatively minor lyric in the song. Unlikely search term. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• 'Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks → Shook Ones, Part II  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "halfway" or "crooks" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This particular lyric is one of the song's best-known lines, and is part of the chorus, meaning it recurs regularly throughout the song's runtime. Accordingly, I believe it meets the threshold of usefulness. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wu-Tang is for the children → 40th Annual Grammy Awards  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Wu-Tang" in the children's section, and no mention of children pertaining to Wu-Tang's entry. Without any context at the target page, this redirect does not answer questions for the reader, and only creates them (as I am now confused and am searching externally to find this, as the Wikipedia page has not assisted this). Btw it was a "phrase uttered" during these Grammy's, but our article for it does not indicate as such. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Ol' Dirty Bastard, as his article discusses the incident. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Two to the one from the one to the three → Shake That  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

You reposted this redirect on the wrong Wikipedia (not mentioned). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't you wanna grow up to be just like me → Role Model (song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of this lyric at the target article. It is much more plausible for readers to be using the song name as a search term to reach this, or investigating elsewhere to find out what song this comes from, in order to answer the FAQ about the song & lyric combo, which Wikipedia is not a FAQ. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Check baby check baby one two three four → Rump Shaker (song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "check baby" at the target page; this lyric isn't mentioned, and I don't foresee people using a countdown as a search term to reach the page about the target song. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Ass so fat that you could see it from the front → Ms. Fat Booty  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of this lyric at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I take seven kids from Columbine, stand 'em all in line, add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine → The Marshall Mathers LP  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Columbine controversy is mentioned, with a section discussing the lyric. However, this is not the lyric. The lyric says "AK-47, a revolver, and a .9", and starts with "I'll take" instead of "I take". That said, there is no mention of AK-47s or revolvers at the target article, either, so this title is spelled out well beyond what is covered and listed at the target. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating → The Real Slim Shady  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This lyric is not mentioned at the target article. It is far more plausible for someone to type in the name of the song, rather than a full lyric ending in the word "imitating", which "imitating" does not appear at the target article. This is not an alternative name for the song, even if a line in the chorus. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This line contains much of the song's chorus, and is therefore likely to meet that threshold of utility. While I do agree that it's unlikely a user would type out this entire lyric, I find it plausible that one might type in, say, "I'm Slim Shady" alone—at which point the redirect pops up as a suggested search, and the reader ultimately benefits. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement → The Real Slim Shady  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no mention of a basement at the target article; people using this particularly lyric will be disappointed to find no material related to the content of their lyrical search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Relatively unimportant lyric in the song. Unlikely search term. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Guess who's back, back again → Without Me (Eminem song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Does not appear at the target article. Incidentally, this is also a lyric for Houdini, but mentioned at neither article. This isn't a helpful search term for people looking for Eminem topics, as they'd either search the song names, or search his. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This particular lyric is part of the intro to one of Eminem's best-known singles, making it reasonably likely that it's well-known enough to be a useful redirect. I don't personally think the reoccurrence in Houdini is likely to cause substantial confusion; the lyric was likely added to Houdini in order to deliberately reference its previous use in Without Me, which would further suggest that the lyric is recognizable both on its own terms and as something associated with the destination. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Lang1 → Template:Uw-engvar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Template:Lang2 → Template:Uw-disruptive2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Template:Lang3 → Template:Uw-disruptive3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Template:Lang4 → Template:Uw-vandalism4  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Template:Lang0 → Template:Uw-engvar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Template:Lang0-n → Template:Uw-engvar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These should all belong to one set, or none at all. There is also Template:Lang which is completely unrelated to these. I think deletion would be a good option as I can't see any real reason to prefer one warning template over the others. Gonnym (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I've left a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace where all the talk pages redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Lang1, Lang2 and Lang3 were redirected following separate discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 11, Lang4 was was redirected following Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 6#Lang 4. Pinging participants in those discussions: @Jc86035, Srleffler, Frietjes, TheDragonFire, and Plastikspork:. Thryduulf (talk) 18:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all - the naming implies that these are four levels of a single set, but in fact engvar is a single-level warning template; the others are members of two different sets of multi-level warnings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I've added two more. --Gonnym (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie to the hip hop, and you don't stop → Rapper's Delight  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is not the lyric of the song, it goes "to the hip-hip-hop and you don't stop". But even so, this is not a likely method of reaching this title. People who want to find the song that goes like this, can try a search engine built for such. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hey girls, hey boys, superstar DJs, here we go! → The Roof Is on Fire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of superstar DJs at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn! Burn, motherfucker, burn! → The Roof Is on Fire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible to use the full length of the chorus to reach the article for the song, when this can be achieved by typing "the roof is on fire". Whether or not the article is known for its song, we don't make these redirects unless there is relevant, sourced and structured content at the target page, else people using this search term will be confused where the content is related to their search. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BURN- BURN TO THE GROUND- BURN TO TH- BURN per nom, and potentially daftify as well cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump → Jump (Kris Kross song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "mac dad", or "daddy mac". While a lyric, without mention this does not provide any benefit to readers, who are likely to get here from the song name. There is no context for this search term, or where "daddy mac" is derived. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: For clarity, "Daddy Mac" is the name of one of the members of Kris Kross, the group that performed the song. (The other member is known as "Mac Daddy", hence "Mac Dad" in the lyric.) No opinion on the proposal otherwise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Death Row's in tha muthaphukkin house → Fuck wit Dre Day (And Everybody's Celebratin')  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not listed in the target article, and definitely not at this spelling (is missing a "c", apparently?) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Meditation → Wikipedia:Mediation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Wikipedia:Meditation Committee → Wikipedia:Mediation Committee  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Meditation and Mediation are drastically different concepts, and editors would be better served by a red link to indicate that they've used the completely wrong word rather than a silent redirect (as existed at WikiProject Medicine for months). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note I've added Wikipedia:Meditation Committee to this discussion as the same rationale almost certainly applies. Wikipedia:Meditation Cabal exists, but it is a humour page not a redirect, no other page in project space begins with "Meditation", but Wikipedia:WikiProject Transcendental Meditation is a thing. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thibault Perissat → Peter Park (poker player)#Outright  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a likely needed redirect Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Looks like the article it's pointing to is about to get deleted for non-notability, and this name within that article is even less notable than that, so... Fieari (talk) 05:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep If the main target (within the redirect) gets merged into another article there should be a, more logical, redirect to that instead. PsychoticIncall (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Just thought I'd mention that the target article, Peter Park (poker player), is at AFD right now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep without prejudice pending the outcome of the AfD. If the article is deleted this will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion, if it isn't then keep, redirect (and where to) or merge (and what is merged to where) will each have different implications for what the best thing to do with this redirect is so there's no point in discussing it until we know. Thryduulf (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: The AfD closed as redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. C F A 💬 20:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete(?): he's mentioned on 2024 World Series of Poker, but that doesn't look useful enough for a redirect to me. Better to just let people find that one via the search engine? -- asilvering (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• EYS → Eys  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a plausible target. One meaning of this initialism seems to be Eu Yan Sang, though there are likely others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig (drafted), in addition to the town and the company there is an airport with this IATA code. EYS also seems to refer to a type of explosion-proof electrical conduit (I think) but Wikipedia doesn't seem to have any relevant content I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambig as suggested by Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The great edit war → Caesar salad  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The page it redirects to has no mention of any edit war. Probably a reference to some edit war on the page, but I don't think that warrants a redirect, and there's been many other big edit wars anyways. Gaismagorm (talk) 11:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, there's a mainspace List of edit wars on Wikipedia but none of them is singled out as "the great" one (and Caesar salad is not listed). Belbury (talk) 11:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There is an entry at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars#Caesar salad but it isn't described as "great" there either (the only edit war at WP:LAME noted as being "great" is Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2020/The Great April Fools' Day Edit War of 2020), but Wikipedia:Great Edit War does exist documenting the dispute over the salad's national origin. None of those pages should be the target of a redirect from mainspace. Thryduulf (talk) 13:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as implausible and confusing. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• FuBl 2 → Instrument landing system  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Is this referring to the differently capitalised "FuBL 2" at Luftwaffe_radio_equipment_of_World_War_II#Navigation_and_direction_finding? 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Move to FuBL 2 or Delete. Jay 💬 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Verenigd Koninkrijk → United Kingdom  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:RLANG – Dutch name for the United Kingdom. Cremastra (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom where it's mentioned. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not keep per everyone who has participate thus far in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Tavix, who voted keep in the previous discussions of 2015, 2017 and 2020. but has found a better target, and hopefully an end to the renominations. Jay 💬 13:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget per Tavix and Jay. It's mentioned at that target and its plausibility as a search term has not changed since it was last discussed. Thryduulf (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Dutch exonyms#United Kingdom per the above. A7V2 (talk) 07:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Ḙ → Circumflex  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ṷ → Circumflex  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These were nominated in 2010 as part of a WP:TRAINWRECKy nomination already, but they are not mentioned at the target, which barely talks about a circumflex below (note that this is currently a red link) at all. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retain The solution surely is to add content about 'circumflex below' to the circumflex article. This is a credible redirect, though I haven't found a citation for it. I came across a suggestion that 'circumflex below' is used in IPA, perhaps Nardog can advise? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not that I know of, currently or historically. The inverted breve below and the caron below are used, but not the circumflex below. Nardog (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Nardog:, the Unicode character index (for the combining diacritic) reads U+032D ◌̭ COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT BELOW • Americanist: fronted articulation. Perhaps that was the concept? (I'm 50 fathoms out of my depth here, so apologies in advance if this is a stupid question.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There is some information on the usage at fr:Accent circonflexe souscrit. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet is not the same as Americanist phonetic notation. Nardog (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That usage is mentioned in Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Nardog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Unless Ḙ is strongly associated with one language, I recommend giving it the same fate as "Circumflex below" (currently a red link). Assuming this is the case, where should "Circumflex below" redirect? Most likely to one of the following: Circumflex#Unicode, Circumflex#Circumflex_below (a new, more specific section), or Combining character (a more general article). Jruderman (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Definitely Circumflex#Circumflex below, as per Dot (diacritic) (which has #Overdot, #Underdot and #Sidedot). The principle is clear, the practical issue is the need for someone who knows the first thing about the topic (rules me out) to write a couple of sentences. The article should have that section. It is certainly mentioned at Uralic Phonetic Alphabet#Modifiers, so would it be enough to say that The circumflex below is a notation used by the Uralic Phonetic Alphabet to indicate a raised variant of a vowel?

  I don't see it anywhere at Americanist phonetic notation but specifically not at Americanist phonetic notation#Common alternate symbols. Is it a Unicode Consortium error? [see https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0300.html ]). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC) revised 17:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• We should add Ṱ · Ḽ · Ḓ · Ṋ to the RfD, right? Jruderman (talk) 01:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Wrong. These are mentioned at Circumflex#Diacritic_on_consonants, and the nomination does not apply to them. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Link to previous RfD (2010) — Jruderman (talk) 01:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Sufferin' succotash → Sylvester the Cat  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Suffering succotash → Sylvester the Cat  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A catchphrase not mentioned at the target article. People interested in reading about this character would be more likely to search for the character. There is no content about this phrase here, and Wikipedia is not a search engine for "who said this line". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep [Changed to retarget below]: What's the problem and what's your suggestion? I don't see a problem here, and "who said this line" is a helpful service. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The problem is as described above (i.e. catchphrases not mentioned at target articles are problematic and misleading due to inherent lack of context and confusion caused for readers). My suggestion is to delete, aligning with past precedents that: "phrase, lyric, and quote redirects that point to articles where they are not mentioned are misleading and cause confusion for readers"; such was the result for a sizeable set of RfDs nominated early this year: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12#It's not personal. It's strictly business. In this situation, there is currently no mention of any "suffering" being undergone by anyone, much less the variation of "sufferin'" used as a search term dropping the "g". "Succotash" is also not mentioned nor alluded to in the article at this time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I guess your italics indicate a quote from somewhere, and there must've been some prior discussion of this issue that I'm not familiar with. I thought the threshold for a redirect was lower than it would be for a DAB (i.e., WP:DABMENTION). In my personal experience, people sometimes remember a catchphrase but can't remember the name of the person who said it or what show it was in, and just need a little reminder. "To the Moon, Alice!" —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Apologies for the confusion; the italics was a retelling of my nomination statement, which in turn summarizes some past discussions about unmentioned "r from catchphrases" and "r from lyrics".

  I fully agree that a tool for searching a catchphrase in order to find the source is a great function, but it more suitable for open-ended search engines such as Google or Youtube which aggregate differently. Doing so on Wikipedia would only work for an exact title match of existing content, and nothing will appear in the built-in search engine for those without mentions in the article. To the Moon, Alice! is an example of a suitable r from catchphrase, as it's a phrase that receives a mention in the plot section as well as allusions in the legacy section (that is if this quote is a version of "bang zoom straight to the moon", which is the aspect discussed and referred to here). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  To push back on that a little, just because Google (or the Youtube site it operates) might usually do a better job of finding a subject doesn't mean a search string is not worth trying to have at all. Wikipedia is less spammy (among other considerations), and its search box sometimes leads to what you're looking for if no one deletes the redirect at (or similar to) the string you type. "Sufferin' succotash" is an extremely famous phrase for this character, and is only two words, so it wouldn't have a lot of variation in what people would type to look for it. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ​Questions: Would this nomination include Suffering succotash? Would a soft redirect of both to wikt:suffering succotash work? —  AjaxSmack  20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Indeed that's basically the same. I had forgotten that Daffy Duck also says it. Wiktionary seems to explain it pretty well, although I've never encountered the "suffering savior" assertion before. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Retarget to Broadcast Standards and Practices#Press Your Luck, which does a good job of explaining this phrase and who said it, and discusses a notable episode in its history. (This assumes that content is correct and will stay there – the discussion there is unsourced and not clearly relevant to Broadcast Standards and Practices.) BTW, the phrase is also mentioned in Yankee Dood It. The redirect shouldn't be deleted. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete to favour search results. Its mention as an example in a game show would not be an appropriate target. Note that Succotash#In popular culture also could have been a target. In fact, the redirect was created in 2013 to target that page. Also I'm bundling suffering succotash per AjaxSmack. Jay 💬 09:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Chrysolith → Peridot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target in this specific spelling; is this as ambiguous as Chrysolite? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Googling for "Chrysolith" brings up the Olivine article, which states Translucent olivine is sometimes used as a gemstone called peridot (péridot, the French word for olivine). It is also called chrysolite (or chrysolithe, from the Greek words for gold and stone), though this name is now rarely used in the English language.. Mindat.org gives it as German synonym of: Chrysolite", it's entry for the latter is Predominantly used as a synonym for gem-quality olivine (see also peridot) but has also been used for prehnite and other green gem materials. Our Chrysolite article is a disambig linking to Olivine and other "green or yellow-green-coloured gemstones". My first thought was the completely unrelated chrysalis, searching for "Chrysolith" butterfly does bring up a few people making the same mistake, but not as many or as prominently as I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Based on Thryduulf's research I would lean "keep", since it seems largely helpful (spelling chrysolite/chrysolithe/chrysolithos). Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4, may I ask why you created this section? Did you notice a instance of this, or someone searching for this somewhere, or is this merely a hypothesis that someone might? Checking Google Trends, I see no Google searches for this term for the last five years. We shouldn't create redirects for typos we hypothesize as plausible searches (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) if nobody actually ever searches for them. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Mathglot I don't understand your comment - 1234qwer1234qwer4 didn't create the redirect, that was El Cazangero in 2015 (they were blocked for copyvios a year later, not relevant to the creation of a redriect) who targetted it to Olivine. It was retargetted in 2020 to it's present target by Opera hat. All 1234... has done is nominate it for discussion. As for utility, the redirect got 80 hits between 1 January and 9 September this year and 64 last year, which is significantly more than nobody (it's also worth noting that your Google Trends search is limited to the United States). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Al-Qadim. BOZ (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, where she appears now. Daranios (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Should there at least be a hatnote or something for the potential alternative meanings? 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not quite sure what's best in this case. Like for Shaar, I don't believe the fictional deity is more relevant than the real-world appearances of the name, but from the listed examples it is the only instance where the name appears alone without further qualifier or something. So creating a Jisan (disambiguation) could be a solution, but on purely esthecial grounds I am not too keen on adding a hatnote to an article/section which refers "only" to one term within the paragraph. So I would also be fine with making Jisan a disambiguation page and shifting the current one to Jisan (Al-Qadim). Daranios (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm fine with moving the edit history as suggested with a retarget and then creating a disambiguation page if necessary. BOZ (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate per the values given -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I think with no modifiers, the D&D use probably does count as the WP:PTOPIC here, but I would support a hatnote to point to a disambiguation page with all the other uses. Fieari (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the D&D topic is anywhere near primary. It is not prominent in a basic Google search [2], only appearing once. Jisan Station and Jisan Forest appear more times. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 03:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: To hopefully make this smooher and achieve consensus, I moved the page history to Jisan (Al-Qadim) and retargeted it to Al-Qadim#Important concepts, and suggest that the remaining Jisan be turned into a disambiguation page. BOZ (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Palestine Israel → Israeli–Palestinian conflict  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Israel Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Classic WP:XY. Delete. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 04:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I don't know that WP:XY fits here. Someone typing both Israel and Palestine into the search box, in whichever order, is almost certainly looking for information on the conflict. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but this seems like the appropriate target to me. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Idk what it even means? Do we have any actual data on how many people use that as a search term? And then, if they do, where they go afterwards? Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both were created too recently to have truly reliable usage figures, but they got 10 and 17 hits between creation on 22nd August and yesterday, which suggests that they are plausible search terms (but note that almost all redirects get above typical views in the first circa 2-4 days after creation (I guess due to new page patrolers and similar) and significantly more than typical views during and just after being listed at RfD). Everybody who views a redirect goes to the redirect target, I don't think that where they go after that is tracked and all such data that does exist is only released for large volumes of people and (iirc) aggregated by complete calendar month (all for privacy reasons) so wouldn't be useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Do the same as with #Palestine and Israel. I can't see any reason why people would be expecting different things with or without the "and". Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I disagree with that; the inclusion/exclusion of "and" makes all the difference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  For reference, the linked discussion is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Palestine and Israel and was closed as "disambiguate". Thryduulf (talk) 23:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (disclaimer: creator of both); same reasoning as Fieari and backed by data from Thryduulf; plus WP:XY does state that in some cases redirects should point to a location in which both topics are discussed. This is the closest to a perfect target we can get anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep both. Highly plausible search terms. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this is an example on WP:XY, search results would be better here as who knows what specific page they would be looking for. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

XY is not a reason to delete when we have content that deals with both X and Y (the combination, interaction or intersection), which we do in this case. When it's not clear which of multiple possible articles someone is looking for we use disambiguation and set indexes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:XY. Israel is not Palestine, and Palestine is not Israel. The lack of any conjunctions separating the two words make these confusing redirects at best, harmful redirecting anywhere at worst. Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete with or without the "and", I would assume that this topic refers to "Israel/Palestine", that is the entire land "between the river and the sea" sometimes called Israel, sometimes called Palestine, and sometimes called partly Israel and partly Palestine. The conflict is not an adequate redirect because it is merely one event that has taken place in this territory quite recently. (t · c) buidhe 01:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That feels like an argument to redirect to Land of Israel or Palestine (region), and thus an argument to disambiguate. I can't see how you get to delete? Thryduulf (talk) 08:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget to Israel and Palestine, as we have a page for both. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Israel and Palestine per Thryduulf and Utopes. Seems a plausible enough search term. A7V2 (talk) 07:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• God of the New Testament → Jesus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

When the God of the Old Testament (also a recently created redirect) is contrasted with the God of the New Testament, this is not generally the sentiment being expressed. Certainly not attempting to start a trinitarian debate though -- ha. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 05:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The New Testament God is Greek and doesn't equate with the Hebrew Yahweh. Trinity is at odds with the Old Testament. Jesus is a better re-direct that the "Trinity."--Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Change target to Names and titles of God in the New Testament. Definitely not "keep", as either the Trinity or God the Father are more obvious synonyms than Jesus. Fram (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget, either as suggested by Fram (though that article is solely about naming) or to God in Christianity. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget as suggested by Fram. At best the phrase is ambiguous, and "Jesus" is not usually described as "God" in the New Testament, but treated as a separate entity. P Aculeius (talk) 11:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I actually don't think we have a good target here. The nominator is correct that Jesus is not really an appropriate target. I don't think the target suggested by Fram is that helpful, as searchers would probably not be looking for information on the name of God IMO. My preference would be for a red link, because having an article about the concept of God in the New Testament specifically seems like a plausible article topic. (Rosbif73's suggestion of God in Christianity is a better target than the other two articles but still not my first preference). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• There is also New Testament theology. Surprisingly, we don't seem to have a lot of content on the topic of this redirect anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I considered that as a target as well, but that article is more about academic studies than discussing the theology per se. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Let's take a step back a moment and consider the context of these two phrases. In modern English discourse, when someone says "God of the Old Testament" they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to the concept of an angry vengeful god that actively destroys the wicked, or just anyone insufficiently respectful. When someone says "God of the New Testament", they, rightly or wrongly, are referring to a "peace and love", "hippie" style pacifist, non-interventionalist, forgiving god. Again, I'm not talking theology right now (if I was, I would vehemently disagree with both of the previous statements) I'm simply talking about what these phrases mean in the English language. Given that this is what the phrases mean, I think both links should go to an article that discusses these specific aspects or perceptions of god... I'm sure we have some, or should have some, given how extensively these topics have been discussed and written on by all manner of scholars. There may be more than one good target, in which case a disambiguation page might be appropriate. I think I would object to simply targeting Jesus or God in Christianity, as these don't really cover the plain meanings of how the phrases are used in English. I don't think we should delete, because this is a VERY plausible search term, and we DO have information on it... the problem is just pointing the user to the correct spots they are looking for. I don't have specific suggestions for where to go though, as... quite frankly, there's a lot. But the status quo doesn't seem right. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Evil Dead 4 → Evil Dead Rise  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this redirect fits better for Evil Dead (2013 film). Thoughts? Mr slav999 (talk) 08:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Amu TV → Aligarh Muslim University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Subject isn't even mentioned in the target article. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Amu Television. I don't know whether that's connected to the current target or not, but it's the only thing by this name currently mentioned on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 15:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget: The current target has no mention of "television" or "TV". AMU Television is the rightful target page. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 08:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Japanese opera → Theatre of Japan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Suggest deletion: the target article does not mention opera. The topic of Japanese opera is likely a notable one and this should be red link per WP:RED _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Noh. "Japanese opera" is a phrase used in that article. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Both Noh and the arguably more "operatic" Kabuki could plausibly be called "Japanese opera", and often have been: "Kabuki is Japan's opera. Dramatic storylines featuring sword-fights, ghosts, and love affairs are brought to life by gorgeously clothed performers." Theatre of Japan explains this well enough. A look through google suggests Japanese opera could only ever be a disam page, although there are some modern Western-style operas. Johnbod (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• God of the Old Testament → Yahweh  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Recently created alongside God of the New Testament (also under discussion at RfD). I don't think that Yahweh is the best target, as it's hard to know if readers will be looking for the ancient interpretation as discussed in the current target or more contemporary ones. I suggest retargeting to God of Israel (a disambiguation page), which is a synonymous phrase IMO. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Andre🚐 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral Another target could be "Gods of Israel" (Elohim); however, my opinion is that the singular God of the Hebrew Bible worshipped therein is Yahweh.Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If there's multiple potential targets, why not just target a disambiguation page? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose since the definition of Yahweh (as used inside that article) is Ancient polytheistic god. tgeorgescu (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  How's that an argument to have God of the Old Testament redirect there? Shouldn't God of the Old Testament really point to something later than God in Judaism? Since the Old Testament itself as we know it was probably an artifact from the monotheistic period. Andre🚐 23:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Santa Maria Beach → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia in the context of GTA. There is, however, an article on a beach called Praia de Santa Maria, as well as content on some beaches located in places named Santa Maria, such as Santa_Maria,_Ilocos_Sur#Santa_Maria_Beach, Santa María del Mar District (Peru), Capo_Vaticano#Geography, Beach_cleaning#Cleanest_beaches, as well as some image captions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Back O' Beyond → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

We don't seem to have content on this fictional location, and all search result on Wikipedia are passing mentions (of unrelated topics). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think we need a Back of beyond disambiguation page, linking to wikt:Back of beyond, Back of Beyond, The Back of Beyond, several mentions (a Caribbean film, a play), and similar terms like Boondocks, Black stump, Woop Woop. This would redirect there if there is enough to merit a dab entry. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to a new disambiguation page per Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We could just build the disambiguation page at this location, and then move it to the proposed location by Thryduulf -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no list at the target. The former page could be moved to characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters, if that is deleted beforehand) to preserve page history. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• NOTE: These two existing redirects were the result of WP:Articles for deletion/List of Grand Theft Auto III characters, as closed by non-administrator Buidhe, even though there was no actual consensus for that result, and the AFD should have been relisted and then only closed only by an administrator. In my opinion, given the popularity of GTA (I'm not a gamer but its one of the games I have heard about for decades), the article itself should probably be reinstated or there should be a DRV to that effect. Softlavender (talk) 06:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Non-admin closures are allowed, see WP:NAC. I'm sure at the time the closer made the correct decision, because even though I can't see the article I do know that usually video game character lists are poorly sourced, probably because not many independent secondary sources report on specifically characters from a game instead of the game itself. Buidhe was probably more convinced by the rationales to redirect then delete. With that said, should you want to overturn the close, try discussing with them first. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 11:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure what makes you think that you can't see the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Me neither, in fact. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 17:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Mwwv: State of the article prior to redirection. Steel1943 (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  FTR, if the article ends up reinstated, a bunch of the other GTA nominations (on this and the previous day's log) would probably need to be reconsidered with the option of retargeting to it in mind. 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete (as I think it should have been after its AfD). As 1234qwer1234qwer4 says, there is no list at the target, and only fleeting mentions of the characters. In any case, the article itself should absolutely not be restored; as I mentioned in the AfD, it was just a collection of plot information with virtually no reliable or significant coverage (and none available), failing WP:VGSCOPE. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The content was removed at AfD. There is no list at the target, so the title is misleading. That's all gn Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Jizzy B. → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target; not sure if the content we have at Charlie_Murphy_(actor)#Career is enough for a redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not mentioned at target, no opinion on redirecting. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for noting this in this nomination as well. I would avoid bundling redirects with different availability of content though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete this and the others, not mentioned. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Ran Fa Li → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Does not appear anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete this and the others, not mentioned. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Jimmy Hernandez → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, though does occur at Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums#In_popular_culture and Carl_Johnson_(Grand_Theft_Auto)#Return_to_Los_Santos. There is an unrelated person at African_diaspora_in_Finland#Sportspeople and another one at Omar_Rodríguez-López#Startled_Calf_(1991–1992), however, so I'm not sure this redirect is appropriate without further disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Zero (Grand Theft Auto) → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, and a bit difficult to immediately see whether we have any content on this one. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#List of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters. If the list is restored, redirect there. Otherwise re-nominate, preferably all of these characters in a single nomination. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Editor asking for a delay until a different RFD discussion is closed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]