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#indieweb 2016-12-16

2016-12-16 UTC
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aaronpk whoa, i just found nicer permalinks for amazon revies
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aaronpk not sure how to get to them from the UI, but google seems to have indexed them
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aaronpk amazon URLs are voodoo
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Loqi remind Salt to write an indieweb article
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2016-12-15 at 11:55pm UTC
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Salt aaronpk, thanks!
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aaronpk np! what's the post?
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-16.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@sdepolo So cool having #indieweb HomeBrew club over to @GoDaddy #sanFrancisco office with @thenatealator @kevinmarks https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/809611244835508224/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/809611244835508224)
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Salt aaronpk, unsure yet
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Salt a list of things that I need to write?
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aaronpk ah i thought you had one in mind :)
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GWG aaronpk: Did I thank you for your atlas code?
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aaronpk GWG: i think you mentioned something at HWC Online!
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GWG I took your Timezone code from Atlas and put it into my location code so it can turn coordinates into a timezone.
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aaronpk ah very nice
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aaronpk did you see how it works? it's a total hack. but it's been working pretty well :)
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schmarty oh, that's really nice
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GWG aaronpk: I did see how it works. But if you couldn't think of a better way, I doubt I could.
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aaronpk well there are plenty of "better" ways, but not many that can be coded into a single file with no external dependencies :)
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GWG Exactly
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GWG Two files, actually.
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GWG You have a class called Result.
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aaronpk oh well
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GWG It works.
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schmarty is it legit for me to list myself on silo-quits for deleting my Evernote account in the wake of their recent ToS updates?
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@jimpick @signlfm @bmann @judell @dougkaye @mshook @rdhyee We're using WebVTT - already a standard. Could do some IndieWeb things with it. (twitter.com/_/status/809616089965416448)
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GWG aaronpk: Would you mind if I used Atlas as a provider of data for Simple Location? Or would that be abusing it?
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aaronpk what's Simple Location?
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GWG My WordPress Location plugin
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GWG It's not so simple
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aaronpk do you mean using my instance at atlas.p3k.io?
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GWG Yes. As an optional provider
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aaronpk hm, that wasn't really the intent of it
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aaronpk could you use the code from Atlas in the plugin directly?
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GWG What was the intent?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "intent" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG I am in some cases.
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aaronpk i don't mind random individuals using atlas.p3k.io, but using it as the default for a plugin that is distributed is probably not a good idea
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GWG I used the timezone determining class.
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GWG aaronpk: I wasn't going to make it the default.
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GWG I abstracted the map return class so I could pass in multiple providers.
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GWG The Map Return class does all location functions
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aaronpk is it just one atlas service you want to include? which one?
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GWG Return named location and static map, most likely. That is what I have Nominatim and Google already set up for.
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GWG But for now, I'm not worrying about that
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aaronpk ah, well those are luckily low resource usage for me, because i proxy to other backend services. it's possible i may change the backend service to use nominatim itself for example, so i'm not sure you'd actually gain anything by using atlas as another data source
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aaronpk atlas is really just my own abstraction over other backend providers so that I have a consistent API to work with across all my projects
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Salt aaronpk, actually, I want to PESOS something for the first time because I've neglected content for some time
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GWG I tend to use other abstractions till I have time to do my own.
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@megarush1024 I think it may be time to wander back out of the Indieweb rabbit hole ... http://www.unvarnished.me/t/C4i (twitter.com/_/status/809648022887899136)
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KartikPrabhu is it funny that that link ^ 404s ?
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tantek no, should find out what happenned.
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 7 hours, 50 minutes ago: that image http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/flashforward/images/a/ab/Dyson_Frost's_Wall_Diagram.svg shows up as type PNG in Firefox
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tantek whoa that is weird!
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tantek just tried it with a ? at the end and it showed up as an SVG!
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tantek so strange
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KartikPrabhu tantek: when I opened dev tools and refreshed it showed up as SVG
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tantek ok something is really screwy
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tantek same thing just happened with the new URL
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KartikPrabhu content negotiation thingie?
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tantek so apparently if you load it from an img src the server is returning a PNG?!?
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is what I thought
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tantek ah, very likely
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tantek let me try an explicitly typed img
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tantek hmm type="image/svg" didn't work
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tantek oh of course SVG has to be special. image/svg+xml sheesh
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KartikPrabhu yup xml
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tantek no that didn't work either
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KartikPrabhu that is weird
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tantek so the server is doing some weird conneg based on referrer?
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I don't get the fact that just opening dev tools switched it to SVG
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tantek yes, looks like if it has a referrer, it get sent as png
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KartikPrabhu strange and bad!?
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tantek yes, bad behavior from the server
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tantek going to sleep on it
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KartikPrabhu alright night
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk did you document what mf1 (?) you needed to use for Google to pick up on your review?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat !tell tantek,aaronpk "so you would have dt-reviewed < dt-created < dt-published" - interesting, I am working on a write up of my checkin post (and the thoughts that went behind it) and one of the things I am mentioning is a need for dt-checked-in (or similar) to be able to support /postsquare
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat (I think I did the comma syntax right, I believe I saw aaronpk using it earlier.)
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Zegnat Also: good morning IndieWeb!
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petermolnar morning all
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Zegnat Morning petermolnar
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petermolnar question: how do I "POSSE" my git repositories to github, bitbucket, gitlab, etc? The goal is to self-host the "canonical" repositories and once those receive pushed, they should auto-push to the relevant silos
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petermolnar I've not worked with git hooks yet, so any post-receive tutorial would be welcomed :)
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petermolnar I'm starting to think how POSSE could be expanded from web to many other things involving silos
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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cweiske petermolnar, still here?
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petermolnar yes
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cweiske I posse my git repos
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cweiske original is at git.cweiske.de
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cweiske I mirror them to github.com/cweiske/ as follows:
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cweiske on my server, I go to the bare git dir
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cweiske then I add the github repo as new remot
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cweiske git remote add github ....
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cweiske git config remote.github.mirror true
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cweiske (so that always everything is copied)
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cweiske then I create a post-receive hook file
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cweiske cat hooks/post-receive
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cweiske #!/bin/sh
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cweiske git push --quiet github
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cweiske and make it executable
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cweiske on the server that hosts the git repos, I've got a ssh key in ~/.ssh/
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cweiske (generated with ssh-keygen as usual)
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cweiske this one is used when the post-receive hook is executed
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cweiske and on github.com, I've got a second user (cweiske-mirror) that has this key associated
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cweiske this user has access to my repositories
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cweiske so it may push to them
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cweiske that's basically all
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cweiske https://github.com/cweiske-mirror is the mirror user
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petermolnar the main reason why I'm asking is that yesterday I read the $66M loss of github and started to think I don't have properly synced copies at the other silos
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petermolnar not that my projects are so important
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petermolnar the setup you've described is more or less what I've started to work on
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petermolnar I've also learned you can add multiple urls to the same remote, so that's a single push to X locations
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cweiske issues that I have with my setup:
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cweiske 1. setup is tedious. creating a repository with sync setup takes ~10 minutes
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cweiske 2. you can't use the merge button on github, since the next sync from your own repository overwrites everything at github
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cweiske 3. git push takes longer because it waits for the hook to be executed
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cweiske 4. issues/bug reports are still on github
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petermolnar 1, script it; 2. real problem, but you can get the patch easily; 3. not a real problem imho :) 4. that is why I'm looking at fossil
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cweiske I thought about using a full-featured git web interface
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cweiske but gitlab is just toooooo heavy with all the services it needs
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cweiske gogit is ... dead from the number of recent commits and open issues
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petermolnar and again, that is why I'm considering fossil :)
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cweiske I would want openid or indieauth for login
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cweiske for which there is a patch for gogit, but no activity
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j4y_funabashi what is tumblr
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Loqi Tumblr is a popular content hosting silo, especially for found images & video, that explicitly supports multiple types of posts, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indieweb.org/Tumblr
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cweiske I'd like to continue using git and not switch to a different scm again
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cweiske I went from CVS to SVN to Git, and I've seen enough
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petermolnar http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/inout.wiki -> Bidirectional Synchronization
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cweiske and use fossil only as web interface?
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petermolnar and for wiki and bug tracking
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cweiske sure
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petermolnar I'm not sure I have the patience to set this up though
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cweiske there would also be the issue of telling people that they can use git to clone, that they do not require fossil
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petermolnar the workflow would be git; fossil would just be an "addon" on top of that, so POSSE to github and gitlab would stay
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petermolnar the problem is that I'm finally getting used to git, after years of use
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petermolnar so moving to another system sounds a little painful
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petermolnar even if it's a secondary sestem
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petermolnar system
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 7 hours, 12 minutes ago: did you document what mf1 (?) you needed to use for Google to pick up on your review?
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 7 hours, 9 minutes ago: "so you would have dt-reviewed < dt-created < dt-published" - interesting, I am working on a write up of my checkin post (and the thoughts that went behind it) and one of the things I am mentioning is a need for dt-checked-in (or similar) to be able to support /postsquare
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aaronpk petermolnar, cweiske: have you seen gogs.io? that's what I'm using on my server. here's my analysis of it compared to the other options https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/13/18/gogs
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Going all in on self-hosting my code
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petermolnar aaronpk cweiske mentioned gogs and that it's not as good as it could be, but I'll take a look as well
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aaronpk i thought he said gogit
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aaronpk is that the same thing?
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar "Gogs - Go Git Service"
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aaronpk yeah i'm super not clear on whether that's the same thing ?
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aaronpk so from what I heard, there was basically one primary developer of Gogs, and he got hired by Gitlab. but Gitlab is continuing to pay him to develop Gogs since they actually do believe that multiple options are good.
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martymcguire[m] looks to be the same thing.
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martymcguire[m] there's a fork of gogs called gitea that looks interesting: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea
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aaronpk oh boy
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martymcguire[m] according to the gitea maintainers they didn't like that gogs only has one maintainer
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martymcguire[m] i've been running gitlab and it is kind of miserable to maintain, so i am watching that closely.
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martymcguire[m] i need git lfs support for the way i manage my site, which looks to be coming soon for gitea, but... who knows?
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aaronpk huh I heard gitlab got way easier to maintain ever since they made system packages for it. `apt-get install gitlab`
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martymcguire[m] it is definitely much better with the system packages (i now actually upgrade it!)
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aaronpk yuuup haha. my last install of gitlab was almost impossible to upgrade so i just installed another one on top of it. finally replaced both of those with gogs back in feburary
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Loqi awesome
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martymcguire[m] however those packages still maintain vendored versions of things like postgresql binaries
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martymcguire[m] at some point i upgraded my system postgresql, so now all my gitlab upgrades fail at the backup step until i replace gitlab's pg_dump binary with the system one
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aaronpk ouch
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martymcguire[m] so, it works better than before the system packages, but still a squeaky wheel. :}
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petermolnar to need pgsql for maintaining git repositories sound utterly terrifying to me
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aaronpk eh it's mostly for all the issues and stuff
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aaronpk if you just want pure git you don't need any of these things
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aaronpk even git with a simple web interface can be done without an extra database
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petermolnar I'm guessing this is the reason why fossil exists
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petermolnar what is fossil?
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Loqi Fossil is fossil-scm.org https://indieweb.org/Fossil
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petermolnar should I put 2.9GB of content under git or not? ( 2.3GB is full res photos, the rest are the other files )
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martymcguire[m] that is a great use case for Git LFS
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petermolnar what is git lfs?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "git lfs" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar is this something like git annex?
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martymcguire[m] git lfs is Git Large File Storage (LFS). It replaces large files such as audio samples, videos, datasets, and graphics with text pointers inside Git, while storing the file contents on a remote server.
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Loqi ok
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martymcguire[m] git lfs << https://git-lfs.github.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://git-lfs.github.com/" to the "See Also" section of /git lfs
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martymcguire[m] it is similar to git annex, but uses a secondary server for managing the LFS files
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martymcguire[m] there is support for it on github, of course, but also gitlab.
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martymcguire[m] gitea (fork of gogs) has most of the support in place but is waiting to add the feature until after their "upcoming" 1.0 release
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martymcguire[m] https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/122
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martymcguire[m] I use Git LFS with my site (a static site powered by Jekyll) to store images, videos, and other assets.
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petermolnar martymcguire[m] I'm not entirely convinced; the photos are essential part of my site since I pull the content from their exif/xmp parts
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martymcguire[m] the images are still managed by git and still appear in your working copy. git lfs hooks into the parts of git that decide where to store and retrieve those files.
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martymcguire[m] this is probably a discussion for dev.
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petermolnar true
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julianf Can't stop to chat now, but just want to mention I'm also interested in setting up my own git system, and thinking about which to use and these issues about how to host it etc, so good to see your conversation.
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Loqi julianf: petermolnar left you a message 6 days, 1 hour ago: when I pull remote stuff, I convert HTML to markdown, then back to HTML from markdown, both with pandoc. Most attack vectors die on that.
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petermolnar I'm not sure this is the right channel for that, since it's not indie*web*, but it's close, especially if the site's contents are under versio control
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aaronpk oh what crazy, the google "submit url" thing actually works
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aaronpk my review shows up on google now! https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-12-16-08-56-04.png
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gRegorLove Cool. Has it not usually worked?
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Loqi gRegorLove: petermolnar left you a message 1 day, 6 hours ago: interesting; I insist keeping EXIF, even for thumbnails :)
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aaronpk i've never used it before! i guess i'm just surprised i was able to submit the URL and then actually see it on google!
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aaronpk this is somewhat concerning... https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-12-16-09-04-04.png
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aaronpk i think it might be because they've slowly been finding my 301 redirects?
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martymcguire[m] wow. is that the number of total pages they have indexed for your domain?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i just added the https version of my site as a new "property" so we'll see if that gets updated with stats soon
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miklb So yeah, this new WP plugin for POSSE'ing a tweetstorm is very interesting https://github.com/JJJ/publishiza
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miklb I just tested it and it's pretty dead simple and just works™
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aaronpk wow here's a summary of all the rich snippet stuff google supports https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-12-16-09-19-20.png
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Loqi [indieweb] "WordPress Events and Conferences of 2017" by Michelle Polizzi on 2016-12-16 https://pagely.com/blog/2016/12/wordpress-events-conferences-2017/
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gRegorLove Where is that graph, aaronpk? Somewhere in webmaster tools?
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aaronpk yeah
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[kevinmarks] Half stars coming to unicode http://www.righto.com/2016/10/inspired-by-hn-comment-four-half-star.html?m=1
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gRegorLove And does that review serach result imply they're parsing h-review?
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aaronpk no, I added hReview markup
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gRegorLove Ahh
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gRegorLove Nice that they haven't dropped that at least.
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@ChrisAldrich @wspr It looks like delicious is slowly coming back, so maybe salvageable? For the future I only bookmark on my own site now. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/809819581837615104)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@wspr It looks like delicious is slowly coming back, so maybe salvageable? For the future I only bookmark on my own site now. #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/wspr-it-looks-like-delicious-is-slowly-coming-back-so
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on How to Own & Display Your Twitter Archive on Your Website in Under 10 Minutes by Kevin Marks" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-15 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/#comment-33253
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on GoodReads Year in Review 2016 by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-14 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/14/goodreads-year-in-review-2016/#comment-33249
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KevinMarks1 Gillmor Gnag time
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KevinMarks1 do we need to retrieve stacey's photo for hwc sf
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aaronpk quill draft local storage to the rescue! saved my in progress post when my computer crashed
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KevinMarks1 nice
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KevinMarks1 I've had that wiht noterlive, but also accidentally flushed it by logging in
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miklb I think I've made an about turn am going to switch to WP instead of trying to hand roll everything I want. At least for near future.
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aaronpk oh! you should document your motivations!
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miklb I have notes already on why I want to switch away from the jekyll setup I have, and am crafting more notes on why I'm deciding on WP at this point. Bottom line is, I just want to have a site and not focus so much on IW plumbing from scratch.
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snarfed reuse++
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Loqi reuse has 3 karma in this channel (4 overall)
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tantek GWG ^^^
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 12 hours, 9 minutes ago: "so you would have dt-reviewed < dt-created < dt-published" - interesting, I am working on a write up of my checkin post (and the thoughts that went behind it) and one of the things I am mentioning is a need for dt-checked-in (or similar) to be able to support /postsquare
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tantek Zegnat, interesting! I have found myself often noting in my postsquare checkins on Swarm, my time of *actual* checkin as the first thing in the comment/description field of the checkin!
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GWG miklb, welcome aboard. Let me know if you need anything
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miklb GWG indeed. First step is going to be a theme. I'm looking at your mf2_s now to see if that's where I want to start or…
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Owning my old Delicious Bookmarks… Sadly not today. by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-16 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/13/owning-my-old-delicious-bookmarks-sadly-not-today/#comment-33269
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GWG miklb, it is dated. I have a forked branch of mf2 which is stock mf2 with minimal modifications. I may need to rebase that
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GWG mf2_s is significantly different and needs an update either way
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miklb I'm also looking at the importers I've tested to see best way to try and import as much metadata from the markdown files/front matter as possible
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miklb GWG forked branch of mf2?
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GWG miklb, I submitted a pull request to _s
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GWG Need link?
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miklb I can find it, thanks.
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miklb got it
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GWG I should rebase
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Loqi it is probable
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GWG miklb, too many projects, never enough time
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miklb GWG i certainly know the feeling. Part of my decision to use WP afterall. Pick my battles so to speak.
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GWG What are your itches?
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miklb I really just want to have self contained webmention sending/receiving and micropub and decide from there. I wan to be able to be a content creator for a bit. Then I'll figure out what I want/need
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GWG Okay
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GWG miklb, if you could give feedback on the experience that we could use, that would help
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miklb certainly. I'm taking tons of notes and jotting down thoughts as I go and will write a post mortem on my use of Jekyll and the path thus far. Will continue as I make the transition to WP. From there, will try to take salient points and add to wiki.
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miklb I do have a very clear vision of how I want to present my content, so that will be the source of short term itches.
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GWG miklb, issues on the plugins are also welcome
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miklb absolutely, along with pull requests if I see an opportunity to contribute
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GWG miklb++
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Loqi miklb has 11 karma in this channel (12 overall)
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aaronpk oh man https://marco.org/2012/09/25/feedburner-counter-replacement "The scariest part: over 90% of my feed’s subscribers use Google Reader. What happens when Google Reader dies?"
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tantek what is Google Reader?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Reader" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk wat
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-16.html
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aaronpk lol that animated gif is great
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tantek yep
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Zegnat Is it limited to 2 photos?
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aaronpk nah KevinMarks_ just missed the generation window
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aaronpk i regenerated it
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tantek quite the nice collection!
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KevinMarks Twitter is breaking its own UI apparently https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/16/twitter-rt-share-test/
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-16.html
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tantek aaronpk - your "site architecture" post is a pretty solid read for this week's newsletter
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tantek so your review markup summary will be good for next week :)
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aaronpk oh i forgot about that
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tantek aaronpk: what no photos? https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/807362950881099776
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-09.html (twitter.com/_/status/807362950881099776)
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk oh i think i fixed that bug after last week
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tantek they made it into the email version at least!
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-16.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/809899667051847680/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/809899667051847680)
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aaronpk yay it worked
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tantek oh after the animated gif from SF didn't make it in two weeks ago?
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aaronpk yeah sounds right
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tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-30-homebrew-website-club#SF
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tantek it didn't even make it to the web page
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tantek https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html
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aaronpk oh i just broke that one sec
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aaronpk fixed
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aaronpk oops what the 2nd? no
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tantek yeah
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tantek that was the GIF I had trouble posting / POSSEing myself!
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aaronpk oh was that the really huge one?
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tantek it was too big for a Twitter image
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tantek and too short (time) for Instagram
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aaronpk lol
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tantek so I posted the Instagram error screenshot as a photo to Instagram instead :P
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Loqi [indieweb] "By: Kevin Marks" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-15 https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/809192450543652865
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@ChrisAldrich I like the hover UI/UX w/ social silos on Aram Zucker-Scharff's profile photo here http://aramzuckerscharff.com #Identity #IndieWeb #itch #CSS (twitter.com/_/status/809909135928082432)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I like the hover UI/UX w/ social silos on Aram Zucker-Scharff's profile photo here http://aramzuckerscharff.com #Identity #IndieWeb #itch #CSS" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/i-like-the-hover-uiux-w-social-silos-on-aram
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