24 Elders Web
24 Elders Web
24 Elders Web
Job 2:1, 2: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it." Note: The same remarks about Job 1:6, 7 apply to Job 2:1, 2. The word again is important. If the sons of God came again, then they must have left the presence of God and gone back to where they came from for the first meeting. According to the Spirit of Prophecy, the 24 elders are powerful angels to whom God as delegated the responsibility of being representatives of the worlds that never sinned. Notice the following statements: This roll was written within and without. John says: "I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon" [verse 4]. The vision as presented to John made its impression upon his mind. The destiny of every nation was contained in that book. John was distressed at the utter inability of any human being or angelic intelligence to read the words, or even to look thereon. His soul was wrought up to such a point of agony and suspense that one of the strong angels had compassion on him, and laying his hand on him assuringly, said, "Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof" [verse 5]. Manuscript Releases, volume 12, pp. 296, 297 In its original Biblical context the words of verse 5 are spoken by one of the twenty-four elders but Ellen White identifies the elder as one of the strong angels. John beholds an innumerable company, precious, refined, purified, around the throne of the Majesty of Heaven. The angel inquires of John, "What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?" and John answers, "Sir, thou knowest." Then the angel declares: "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Signs of the Times, December 22, 1887 In its original Biblical context it is one of the elders who asks these questions but Ellen White identifies the asker as the angel. The inevitable conclusion is that the elder who is speaking is a powerful angel. John saw a company standing around the throne of God, and the angel asked him, Who are these in white robes? He answered, thou knowest. And the angel said, "These are they who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (See Revelation 7:13, 14). There is a fountain in which we may wash from every stain of impurity. And says the angel, "He shall lead them to fountains of living waters, and shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." (See v. 17.) This will be the happy privilege of those that have kept the commandments of God in the earth. Sermons and Talks, volume 1, p. 20 As John saw the multitude standing around the throne of God, the question was asked, "What are these which are arrayed in white robes? And whence came they?"--"These are they which came out of great tribulation," the angel answered, "and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Signs of the Times, November 22, 1905 The Twenty-four Elders Study by Pastor Stephen Bohr SecretsUnsealed.org Page 2
On Revelation 5:8 Ellen White remarks: Heavenly beings are appointed to answer the prayers of those who are working unselfishly for the interests of the cause of God. The very highest angels in the heavenly courts are appointed to work out the prayers which ascend to God for the advancement of the cause of God. Each angel has his particular post of duty, which he is not permitted to leave for any other place. If he should leave, the powers of darkness would gain an advantage. . . LHU 370
Adam: The Original Son of God Gods original plan for the human race:
All heaven took a deep and joyful interest in the creation of the world and of man. Human beings were a new and distinct order. They were made "in the image of God," and it was the Creator's design that they should populate the earth. They were to live in close communion with heaven, receiving power from the Source of all power. Upheld by God, they were to live sinless lives. Sons and Daughters of God, p. 7 Satan has an accurate knowledge of the sins that he has tempted God's people to commit and he urges his accusations against them, declaring, that by their sins they have forfeited divine protection and claiming that he has the right to destroy them. He pronounces them just as deserving as himself of exclusion from the favor of God. "Are these," he says, "the people who are to take my place in heaven, and the place of the angels who united with me? They profess to obey the law of God; but have they kept its precepts? Have they not been lovers of self more than lovers of God? Have they not placed their own interests above His service? Have they not loved the things of the world? Look at the sins that have marked their lives. Behold their selfishness, their malice, their hatred of one another. Will God banish me and my angels from His presence, and yet reward those who have been guilty of the same sins? Thou canst not do this, O Lord, in justice. Justice demands that sentence be pronounced against them." Prophet and Kings, pp. 588, 589
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God created man for His own glory that after test and trial the human family might become one with the heavenly family. It was God's purpose to repopulate heaven with the human family. The Truth about Angels, pp. 48, 49 The vacancies made in heaven by the fall of Satan and his angels will be filled by the redeemed of the Lord. Review and Herald May 29, 1900. The Truth about Angels, p. 49 Luke 3:38: The Son of God . . . the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Regarding Adams status as the son of God we have this from Ellen White: The genealogy of our race, as given by inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs, mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator. Though formed from the dust, Adam was "the son of God." He was placed, as God's representative, over the lower orders of being. Ellen G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 45. Conclusion: The original son of God was Adam. But he was the son of God in a special and different sense than we arehe was the son of God by creation, not procreation. Adam Crowned at Creation Psalm 8:3-8: At creation Adam was crowned and given his realm of dominion (see also Genesis 1:2628) When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained, what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; you have put all things under his feet, all sheep and oxeneven the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea that pass through the paths of the seas. Note: When the Bible uses the expression beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea that pass through the paths of the seas it is referring to the entire planet. Thus the Psalmist is saying that the entire planet was under the dominion of Adam who was the king. Ellen White amplifies this thought: Adam was crowned as king in Eden. To him was given dominion over every living thing that God had created. The Lord blessed Adam and Eve with intelligence such as he had not given to the animal creation. He made Adam the rightful sovereign over all the works of his hands. Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, February 24, 1874. Conclusion: Adam was crowned as king and the realm of his kingdom was planet earth.
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Psalms 104:1-2: Bless the Lord, O my soul! O Lord my God, You are very great: You are clothed with honor and majesty, who cover Yourself with light as with a garment, who stretch out the heavens like a curtain. In Revelation 12: 1 the true church is garbed with the glorious light of the sun. In Matthew 17 the raiment of Jesus is spoken of as being white as the light. Notice the following incisive comment by Ellen G. White: The sinless pair wore no artificial garments; they were clothed with a covering of light and glory, such as the angels wear. So long as they lived in obedience to God, this robe of light continued to enshroud them. Ellen G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 45. Conclusion: Adam and Eve were clothed with white garments of light.
The Scriptures declare that upon one occasion, when the angels of God came to present themselves
before the Lord, Satan came also among them (Job 1:6), not to bow before the Eternal King, but to further his own malicious designs against the righteous. With the same object he is in attendance when men assemble for the worship of God p. 518
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Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. They are seated on thrones, therefore they are rulers. But where are they rulers? They have crowns on their heads, they are kings (Though generally the word stefanos is used to describe the crown one who has gained a victory, there are exceptions. See for example Matthew 27:29; Mark 15:17; John 19:2; Revelation 14:14) They are robed in white garments of light They are creatures (Revelation 4:10, 11)
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There is the throne [Revelation 4:2], and around it the rainbow of promise [Revelation 4:3]. There are cherubim and seraphim [Revelation 4:6-8]. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds [Revelation 4:4], are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,--all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King. But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of His Father [the one seated on the throne]. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails [the lamb as though it had been slain]. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He approaches the Father [the one seated on the throne], with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing. Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. This pledge Christ has fulfilled. When upon the cross He cried out, "It is finished," He addressed the Father. The compact had been fully carried out. Now He declares: Father, it is finished. I have done Thy will, O My God. I have completed the work of redemption. If Thy justice is satisfied, "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." [the sealed book will reveal who will inherit with Jesus] John 19:30; 17:24. The voice of God is heard proclaiming that justice is satisfied. Satan is vanquished. Christ's toiling, struggling ones on earth are "accepted in the Beloved." Eph. 1:6. Before the heavenly angels and the representatives of unfallen worlds, they are declared justified. Where He is, there His church shall be. "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." Ps. 85:10. The Father's arms encircle His Son, and the word is given, "Let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb. 1:6. With joy unutterable, rulers and principalities and powers acknowledge the supremacy of the Prince of life. The angel host prostrate themselves before Him, while the glad shout fills all the courts of heaven, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing." Rev. 5:12. Songs of triumph mingle with the music from angel harps, till heaven seems to overflow with joy and praise. Love has conquered. The lost is found. Heaven rings with voices in lofty strains proclaiming: "Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever." Rev. 5:13. The Desire of Ages, pp. 833-835
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And the inhabitants of heaven, many years latter described the victory celebration that took place in heaven when Jesus died on the cross: Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time. Satan was cast out of heaven at the cross as the representative of this world. His place was taken by the second Adam who defeated him on the battlefield where Adam lost. Jesus recovered what the first Adam lost.
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angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. The human race does not stand in the righteousness of character which Adam possessed at his creation. Although neglect to keep the requirements of God is sin, and the wages of sin is death, yet there is no claim made that man may have eternal life except through the obedience and righteousness of Jesus Christ, who is the representative and head of all humanity. Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, June 11, 1894. Jesus humbled himself, clothing his divinity with humanity, in order that he might stand as the head and representative of the human family, and by both precept and example condemn sin in the flesh, and give the lie to Satan's charges. Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, January 16, 1896. As representative of the fallen race, Christ passed over the same ground on which Adam stumbled and fell. By a life of perfect obedience to God's law, Christ redeemed man from the penalty of Adam's disgraceful fall. Ellen G. White, Manuscript 126, 1901. Christ was to suffer in our behalf, standing at the head of humanity as representative of the race. He was to work out the character which every follower of His is to work out, through the provision He has made,--His infinite sacrifice, His life and death on earth. Ellen G. White, The Gospel Herald, March 1, 1901.
They are not members of the unnumbered host of the redeemed. This is made evident by the fact that one of the elders asked John about the identity of the great multitude that no man could number from every nation, kindred, people and tongue (Revelation 7:13). It is rather obvious that the elder would not ask about the identity of the great multitude if he belonged to it. Revelation 5:9, 10 seems to indicate that the elders sing the song of their redemption from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. But Revelation 7:13 distinguishes one of the elders from the great multitude that was redeemed from all nations, and kindreds, and people and tongues. (Revelation 7:9). This clearly proves that the translation of Revelation 5:9, 10 in the King James Version is incorrect.
The 24 elders are not part of the 144,000 because the 144,000 are distinguished from them (Revelation 14:3) The 24 elders are not those who will resurrect in the special resurrection (Daniel 12:2) just before the second coming because the 24 elders were already in heaven when Jesus ascended (Revelation 4:4) The 24 elders are not those who will resurrect in the general resurrection because they were in heaven when Jesus ascended (I Thessalonians 4:15-17) The 24 elders are not those who resurrected with Jesus because the 24 elders were already there before Jesus arrived (Revelation 4:4) Conclusion: They are neither angelic nor human. They must be some other order of being.
A Problem in Translation
How, then, do we explain Revelation 5:8-10 where the 24 elders (in the KJV and NKJV) appear to be singing the song of their redemption from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation? Lets take a look at the passage as it appears in the King James Version: Revelation 5:8-10 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Doesnt this passage explicitly state that the elders were redeemed from the earth, that they were made kings and priests and that they shall rule upon the earth? How then could they be representatives from other worlds? Before I answer this question I would like to share a word about the King James Version. I personally believe that the KJV is an excellent translation. It is a reverent version which is written in beautiful Victorian English. Having said this however, some people revere the KJV so much that they practically give the impression that it was verbally dictated by God! Anyone attempting to amend or change The Twenty-four Elders Study by Pastor Stephen Bohr SecretsUnsealed.org Page 10
anything in the King James Version is accused of being an agent of the Jesuits. But the KJV translation is by no means perfect. For example, the much maligned NIV is much more accurate than the KJV when it translates texts that deal with the state of the dead. The simple fact is that the King James Version has mistranslated Revelation 5:9, 10 and every modern translation has corrected the error. Notice the following translations:
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Revelation 5:9, 10 (Jerusalem Bible, Catholic) They sang a new hymn: You are worthy to take the scroll and break the seals of it, because you were sacrificed, and with your blood you bought men for God of every race, language, people and nation and made them a line of kings and priests, to serve our God and to rule the world. Revelation 5:9, 10 (The New American Bible, Catholic) This is the new hymn they sang: Worthy are you to receive the scroll and break open its seals, for you were slain. With your blood you purchased for God men of every race and tongue, of every people and nation, you made of them a kingdom, and priests to serve our God, and they shall reign upon the earth. Revelation 5:9, 10 (The Jewish New Testament) . . . and they sang a new song, You are worthy to take the scroll and break its seals; because you were slaughtered; at the cost of blood you ransomed for God persons from every tribe, language, people and nation. You made them into a kingdom for God to rule, cohanim [priests] to serve him; and they will rule over the earth.
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Notice the following chart that describes the beings that are present in Revelation 4, 5, 7 and 19:
Words of Explanation:
It will be noticed that in Revelation 4 the Father, the elders, the four living creatures and the seven Spirits are present but Jesus, the angels and the great multitude are absent. In Revelation 5 the angelic hosts and the Lamb are added and the seven Spirits are sent to the earth. The great multitude is missing in chapter 5. Finally, in Revelation 7 and 19 the great multitude of the redeemed join the scene. A careful analysis of the hymns reveals that in chapter 4 the motivation for singing is creation. In chapter 5 the motivation is redemption. But in chapters 7 and 19 the motivation is deliverance in the final crisis. This can be seen in Revelation 7:10 where salvation from annihilation in the great tribulation is the motivation and in Revelation 19:1, 2 where Gods people have been delivered from the great harlot and are rejoicing because the marriage of the Lamb has come. The songs by the elders, the four living creatures have faded from view and now the redeemed are the singers.
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