FBI Interview of Igor Danchenko (OCR'd)
FBI Interview of Igor Danchenko (OCR'd)
FBI Interview of Igor Danchenko (OCR'd)
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personnel al ong with attorneys fr om the US Department of Justice ,
Nationa l Security Di vision . ~ wa s accompaniej by his atti:rne:i·
Primary Subsource· Attorney Below is a consol idatej write-up o ~ the
three days o f intervi ews .
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He describes hi s fami ly a which included
. ~ comple t ed his high scho,:,l
indi cated that his i s i:,rc,bably tie,j
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(U/ / FOUO) For university' , lii:limlillllll attended
, at which time he graiuated
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on research projects f o r
in the ~ebri~fing,
had , and that it 1vas o ur undc::rstandi:1 .,--: t hat i:-=- had d::>!1-c- that 1vo rk 1,ith
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For a time , he did v ari ous analyti cal pieces o n
with . In time, some o f the work mo vej into the
area of due diligence a nd business inte ll igenc e . - says that he
:. he
s aw o ppo rtuniti es to use his existing netwo rk o f friend s and colleagues
and anal::,s i s
, he served a s the
he direc tej o ther s
in doi ng business intell i gence on various t o pi cs/sub-regi on s , including
. He helped analyst s under him figure
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o u t how t o best handle a ss ignments and talk t o c lie nts . He al so put
together week ly , bi - weekly and mo nthl :,· rep,n ts . ~ wc,rl:e,j f ,:,r
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- thro ugh the which time - parent comi:,an 1
went bankrupt and
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(U / / FOUO) Later in - '---=-:_e_:le t oU him tl:at he- ha:i rea.j anj lil:e:i his
ri s l: assessment an,~ wa s ~0 rma::y brought o n board witt Orbi s .
He signed a confidentiality agreement, which he :ii:in ' t thinl: twi c e
about signing because it wa s fairl; s tan:iar:i - he c0mpared it t o the
types o f pai:,erwor l: he s igned at - · inclu:iing se:-:ual harassment
policy , etc . All contact with Steele was being :io ne at this time via
email and Skype . - signed the confidentiality agreement ,
scanned it , and sent it bacl: t o Steele ,,·ia email . - -: iid no t
s ign a "no n-comi:•ete" agreement with Orbis , an.j he- desc1ibe.j hi s •,;c,rl:
with Orbis initial!~· as •• ·,;or l:" and ,. projects" a s he wa s st ill
with . Orbis wa s jus t part o ~ hi s o~er all portfolio at this
time .
(U// FOUO) Initially , hi s wo1 l: with Orbi s was in the open so ur ce sphere .
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He d id no t have any 'Jisibili ty int o Orbis ' end cl ient s . -
commen ted that during his time with Orbi s , he has always been tr y ing tc,
understand the tangible result s o f his wo rl: - attorney
added that his client , "never asl:ed , and was never t o ld [about final
clients] ." The project requirements were always l:ept vague with few
concrete parameters - e . g. "Can you do some checking o n this?" Al so ,
initially with Orbis , hi s sole contact was with Steele . He was in email
and Skype communicati o n with Steele and was info rma l ly intr o,:luce:l t c,
o ther Orb i s employees during Sl:ype c all s , but - was never fl o wn
o ut t o the UK t o meet with Steele and the Orbi s team .
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also introduced t o o ther Orbis employees , including and
, about whom - described as an analyst who ha:i
graduated fr om an English university . - described the time with
Orbis as "general meetings , (pitchi ng) potential projects , anJ
discussing general rumors about Putin and Putin ' s new thi1d term as
president . There was tall: about what the "biggest rumors" or the
"biggest compromising info" regarding the Russian government ~a s .
,1overnment ' s L1 usin&ss" - to i;hi ::/J his att.::-rney said , " vi":-11 , y ...· u l:,,H·-:-n ' t
.:: k,n,;, a very ,1ood job of that . ")
(U/ / FOUO) - cont inued t,::, wo rl: 0n a number o: i:·roj ects : c,r Orbis
on all kinds of subjects , including Russian leadersh ip, banl:ing , and
the . He wou!d pr0v ide reports every month o r every
other mo nth .
(U / / FOUO) Through _ ,
contractual relationship , and
would
to get a security clearance and set up his
own business . However , with the . bankruptcy c,
parent company - and the subsequent closing of '
- found himself _in a :iifficult s ituati o:,n , . tie
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the
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that they could only help him 0ut if l,e ha·d a source o f income . 1',t that
po int, - intr0ducej Steele anJ
arrangement was set up between Orbis and
se rved as
a monthly salary f or hi s w0 rk
employee c, f
. Out o f the
was t he only o ne - as far as he l:nows - who was worl:ing
sole ly f or Orbis , and - believes that ,:,nly - l:nows ,:,f
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his wo rl: f o r Orbis . Prio r t o this ar~angement , the only paperworl: tie
between - and Orbis was through the banl:ing/ wi~e transacti,:,ns,
but after th i s , the onl y regular paper~orl: tie wou:J be between
- a nd sai:i that he received afte1
Jeductions , [...:\N.-Ul°ST /llC' TE : -
als o gavi: a figur,;, l:ut i s :12 t c l-=-ar :,,,1, muc~
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They don ' t know that he wor ks f o r Orb i s , as he s igned a no n-d i sc l os ure
agreement and t o ld no t t o ta l l: about the compan; . He has never
menti oned Ch ri s Steele o r Orbi s t o hi s ~riends ani assoc ia tes . He
emphasi=ed that "yo u [ the FBI] are the fi rst people he ' s t o l d . "
(U// FOUO) F'flrn.tl \' ~uti·,< llll ( t ' wa s asked if he take s notes o n the info rmation he
i s co llect ing fr om his sources , ,n if he keep s any l:in :l o f re cc, r :ls . He
wa s t o ld by Steele that it i s a sec urit y risl: t o tal:e no t es ; he hasn ' t
kept no tes o r electronic records . He occasi o nall y mal:es sc ribbles
and/or c hicken sc rat ch no te s here and there , but gives verbal debr ief s
in f ol l0wing h i s tr ips - . P,l t ogether , with
r es pect t o the election-related repo rting , he had three trips
He also had o ne
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, o: ;.:, c, ;
the discussion . ]
government o fficials , as he s aid, in the
- -but he jeniej any c o ntact - again , "a s far a ~ he
- knew , " with anyo ne in the SVR, GRU or FSB .
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IV. Initial US Election- Related Assignments for Orbis
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an Orbis-related primarily on a business
the US presidential
election , including com1:iromising materia.:.s on Donald Trump . -
said he could not remember if Steele had asked - to asl: aroun:i
f or compromising material s on just Trumr:,, v r Trumr:, and Hillary Clint,:,n
- at which pc,int att0rney indicated that - ha,:i tc,l :i
him [the attorney] previously that it had been bo th presidential
can-:i i dates . The request did no t she.cl: - · but it ·,;as - again -
outs ide the normal scope o f wo rk and it wasn't c ompletely comf0rtable
for him . Like the Manafo rt assignment, it was not really a
Russia-specific job and i t invo lved , indirect.:.y, his
." He wa s nervous and cautio us when asking around about
the topic in Russ ia , but he felt like he ha:i t o rep0rt something ba c k
to Steele about it. Steele did not place any higher pri ority on the
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Pru11df\' s uti·~m 11 cP
V. Contacts on his . Trip -
that the two o f them should try and do projec t s t oge ther for money.
- t o ld - that there wa s compr o mi s ing material o n Trumr.· .
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. Upon reflecti on ,
- corrected h i mself, indicating that she had been a year behin:i
him in the She moved - in
field . She did a bit o f
t ool:
and als(,
s ure what
and
the
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inf ormati on far Orbi s across a wide range o f t o pics - maj o r Russian
firms ; Russian sta te entities , including the Kremlin . §"1"11@ "big
con nection " - thoug h emphasi:ed that it is not nece ss arily
(U / / FOUO) ' " " " ' " is o ne o f the in diviiuals who l:no ws that -
wo rk s f o r due diligence and business intel l igence . [ As an aside at thi s
p o int, n:::r:m:::n:::r insist,;-.i that pr.:-L1 a L, 1y has a 1:-=-tt-=-r
i.iea abo ut this tha:1 ::1.:-£:-s j1•j•jjjf• be::aus e- 1111 i s al1,1ays trying t :>
mo:1':: ti :e hi s relationship 1,1i t n-jjjjfit8it1jjjilft . fl'l'l'fl'tt:ltf r':-i t7ra t-=-d a:7a in t ,,
th7 intervie1,1-=-rs that 1111 tvill often pit :::; money-making ideas .:-r
proj e c ts - " Let's 1,1::,rk t oge t h-=-r . T §j•j•@f .::an try a:1d :7e t. - t.:>
ans1ver a quE- s t i on , 1:-ut I ' l l ne-1::.::i som€: mon-=-Y to d o i t . "]
" connected . " In fact,
mo rning or and asl:ed him
f o r help in in the
United States are viewing the Trump a:lmini s trati o n . She i s asl:ing him
by the weekend, pr obably so s he can se ll it to a friend
in Moscow .
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(U/ / FOUO) ntntr•·•as o ne o f the l:ey sources f o r the "Trumr,, foss i er . "
She i s direc tly quo t ed at po ints ; ho wever , - is no t sure if she
real i=es that the quo tations come fr om her . Right
She is l:eepin
used t o wo rl: in t he country of
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0 n an
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is always trying t o get s tart i::•H ,jec t s
a n :i mal:e money t ogether - - relate.:J , lil:e o ther s ,
i s always asking que s tio n s lil:e , " Can you get u s s ome pro jec t s? " o r
" Can yo u get us financing?" o r "Let ' s j o something together deal ing
with !" - d oe s n' t c o ns ider thi.:: a s hi s sour c e
"ta s king him" but as simply the no rmal c o urse and scope o f netwo rl:ing
- went t o the Library ,.:i f Congress, perfo rme:i a1 c hi':al re .o: ear..::r.,
and also talked t o a c ademics he knew . "
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election-related theme was still a " side pr0 ject." The election-related
material became a mu ch more impo rtant projec t in the July-Augu2t :0 1 €
peri o:I .
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(U// FOUO) This repo rt involves reporting fr om " Source E" - reporting
which - ties , at least
related the story about his contact with
or July :1)lc
reached
journalist for
questions Orbis had tasked him with regard ing Trump ' s Russian
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contact with another o f his
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individual he thought t o rcM"l'!fj!fl The call was either a cellular
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(U / / FOUO) Th i s repo rt invo lves the purpo rted Ca1ter Page meeting with
Sechin , as well as the purpo rted Carter Page meeting with Igo r
Diveyl:in ·- - : :·iicated that the sourcing f o r this rei;:,c, rt :ier i·:es
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th
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o r the 5 th t i r o ugh the 0 . -
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heard that Carter Page was going t,) meet with Sechin , and then later ,
in writing , that the Page-Sechin meeting ha:i
a c tually s aid that he wo ul:i co nfirm the date ,
time and c irc ums tance s under whi c ~ confirme:i t o him
that the Page-Sechin meeting had taken place . He wi ll c hec k
hi s pho ne , but he recalls that he rec eived the confirmati o n fr om
via te:-:t in September :1)1€ when he was at
- ·,;as ab:..e t o confirm that the Page-Sechin meeting
took place thro ugh o ne o ~ her contacts -
. Altogether ,
him about the Sechin-Page meeting , and then later conf irmed via te~t
that the meeting had taken pla ce .
travel s t o the
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25 January 2017
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II . Documents
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first was the Russian-language te:-:t interacti on between - an.J
- regarding the Sechin-?age meeting in July : Cllc. The second
of
third
document was a copied pastiche o f a number ,:,: profiles , business car-:ls
and pictures , which will be explained in further detail below .
(U // E"OUO) Regarding Document 1: , these are pi c ture s an.:l pro file s o f the
l' llrll.11\ ~11h--.1HH1 'f'
friends and associates in networ k discussed the previ o us
day . atto rney balked at the use o f the term "network ,"
stat ing that the preferred term was "soc ial circle . " One of the
as having s tudie:l
at
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with him, and - ha v e direc t contac t .
o n friendly terms .
Medvedev's peo pleu abo ut what the Kremlin wa s d o ing with res pec t
t o involvement in the US pre s i -jential el.ec ti o n . - remarl:e :i
h ow the Rus s ian influenc e i ss ue wa s con s idered an " open s e c retu
and that he was hearing s imil. ar s t o ri es fr om o t he r sources -
1:,ro babl y Source 3
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and s ancti on s .
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i sn ' t
positive abo ut that . He reca l l s that they had a co nversati on later in
spring : OH during which time - s aid that hE' tr'tnt::•tr:
had "put
in a wo rd" and wo ndered if it had helped . They had a 5-1 0 minut e c hat
ANAL'l"ST NOTE : It i s u:1cl ear i f i t lea s s ame s pr inq : 01 o .::.:-nv-;-r s a t i,0 n
o r a later .::o n v -::-rs ati c•n] during whi c h time - confided in
- that h1t'ttr::·trr:
wa s getting tired o f do ing what he wa s n't
really suppo sed t o be do ing in hi s j ob -
(U / / FOUO)
mov ing bac k t o Rus sia and
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inf:-rmat i o:1
t c, travel t ,j - somet i mes jriving
. - cc:,mpletel~· ,j1opped c,:f
the map sometime ar ounJ :001-:00e .
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"a bright young guy . " has no idea where the language in this
parag raph regarding "clean in thi s regard" (with resi:•ect
t v l:nowledge and in,:olvement in US electi,:•n matter s ) .
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~ had a phone conversat i on , or maybe Sl:ype, but
remembers that it wa s a ·vo i ce c ommuni c atic, n which lasted
a bout 30 minutes . - sa id it wa s juring the summer , because he
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remembers having the c onversat i 0n while ·,1as at the public sw imming poo 2.
and "whateve r" with
wa s relating inf o rmati o n that she ~as hearing from her sources -
jid no t asl: her about the ijentit1 es o f these sc,urces .
could probably f ollo•,:-ui::, ·,11th ~ ut the sources , but
he e}:plained that he has no reas,:,n t ,:, do~
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(U//FOUO) On the Diveykin identificatio n , this was the name her sources
gave her . He was in the Domestic Policy entity and was one of the
people i n c harge of US-Russia relations (.r,N.Z:,LYST NOTE :
description was someone unclear here , because he added ,
"election-related stuff, " but then went back to referring to it as
"US-Russia relations . " lf"i'!ttffl suggested that there was an attempt t o
masquerade things or c raft a fa~ade because "the f olks who were in
domestic p oli cy were wor king external [foreign] policy, while the folks
doing e xternal were working domestic matters . "
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(U/ / FOUO ) - began his e:-:planati,:,n ,:,f the Prague and Michael
Cohen-related reports by stat ing that Ch ri stopher Steele had give n him
4-5 name s t o r esea r c h f o r the election-related tasking . He could only
remember three of the names : r: arter Page , Paul Manafc,rt and Michael
Cohen . When he talked t o Source 3 in the fall 0~ :01E - he be:ieves
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it was a phone call - he rattled off these name s and , out of them , he
was surprised to hear that . immediately [l ater - s o ftened
this to "almos t immediately"] recogni:ed C0hen ' s name .
(U // FOUO) In Report :,)!E/ 135 , - did not 1:now the or igins ,:, f
paragraph 1 . He said that it didn ' t come fr o m him , and that he doesn ' t
kno w where the info rmati0n i s from . He described it as "too general . "
(U // FOUO) In paragraph:
recogni : ed material from his conversat i ons
middle of the paragrar:,h . §•f••iffj had t old
three o ther unidentified peo ple had flown
later , "assumed they had flown"] into Prague in August-September '2 0 1€
and had met with a gro up fr o m Russia . - a s ked her wh,:i el.se
besides Cohen haj come int o Prague fr om the US sije - she didn't kn ow ,
but she was willing to go back and find o ut . She never got back t o him
abo ut this . - also asked abo ut the participants on the Rus sian
s ide . She didn ' t know , but she iniicateJ that her "best gue ss " or "her
understanding" was that they were ~r a m "Legal Affairs" or "Legal
Department . " - indicated thaf"l''ftffl di j no t say why she
tho ught that . wasn ' t aware that such an entity existed - he
was not able t o find it through research .
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and the meeting with the Russian side . There may have been a thir ,j
conversation o n the topic , bu~ could no t re c all e:-:actly
and said that they had also tall:ed abo ut "a pri\·ate subject . "
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him
the other ,fay to asl: an article abo ut Ru ss ian
speakers and Trump . currently visa t0 c o me t o the
United States . To questions p o sej by FSI S.!\. - an :l comment s
made by his atto rne:,, , - in:li c ate:i that he coul:l c arefully
Source 3 , perhaps e v en meet her in a third c o untry . To
try and get additio nal info rmatio n o f inter es t t o the FBI wo ul:l
require in-perso n conversatio n , and - ·::iuipped that he ' d
never been - . said that he had i:,lans t c, vi s it
her earl i er this year , but that it d i:ln ' t wo rk o ut .
s aid that she tne w that he ha:l plan s t 0 vi s it her in
the two o f them had talked thr o ugh the p:an s . When
wo uld be c o mf o rtable talking t o the FBI ,
wasn ' t s ure .
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VI.
Source 6 RIA Novosti, and Dossier Report 2016/95
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him
l i l i l i l l "who that it woul j be
3C:
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asked about " thi s stuff abo ut Trump at the ho tel . " Hi s interl oc ut o r ~
laughed it o ff , stating that "all l:in js o f thing s har-,r-,en at the hc,tel"
and with celebrities , "o ne never kn,::iws what they ' re doing . " -
said that it wa s n ' t a jenial . Anj asking the hotel staff who were
as s isti ng with the li1I arrangement s , ,:,ne girl commente :I that "anything
goes" at the ho tel , and added that , " o ffi c iall y , we don ' t have
r-,ros titutes . "
3S
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himself] .
paragraph 5 was part o f
a conversation between - but -anf•i''fttl,
has nc, i ,jea
where the mentio n o f "Department K of the FSB" i s from . He does not
recall hearing that , or mentioning that t o Christopher Steele .
Additio nall y , the years over whi c h the "k ompro mat" file was colle c tej
F'llllldl\ ~11t1 ,dtll ( l '
were al so never mentio ned , t o rec,:,lle c ti o n .
26 January 2017
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(U/ / FOUO) his attor ney related that Chris Steele haj
mor ning . One of Steele ' s associates at
Orbis , - an analyst who said he- ha s
seen appro:,imately 1: times - rema rl:e.:I that
- "had been lying t o0 low ." that " [Orbis] ha.:ln ' t
heard from him ove r the past 1 0 .:lays , and that they wanted to l:now what
was going staying in a hotel
and at hi
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talking to an attor ney
i:1.:ii.:atio:1 o f :10 1, ilis ~·liEnt ,,as put tr.rouqh th.;: r,;-.;ruitm.;:nt .::,-c:1-=- -
initially r-=-·::ruit-:-.:i L-y Chris Ste,;-]-:, , but passed ::-ff t .:- und-=-rli:1 01s L 0 r
of Russia . There was tall: about wiring past due monies f,:>r - to
. Or , - adde._:! , there ·,1as also jiscussio n ab,:>ut
getting him mo ney through " someone we l:no w [ in the United States]"
- was hesitant abo ut arranging payments in any ·,1ay that " lool:ed
strange . "
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(U // FOUO) In parag raph l , the "fo rmer senio r intelligenc e o ffi c er" i s
Former Russian Intelligence
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cafe .
- · When he wa s c aught
"fac ilitating payments f o r a po rnographi c website . " He wa s o ffered a
deal - cooperate with the FSB o r po tentially go t o jail . He ended up
doing some wo rl: f o r the FSB, but - doesn ' t l:nc.w what type ,:,f
WO l ~ did f ,)r the FSB [:l/l!ALrS T NC·TE : Thi s i s i:1 ::ont r a.:h .·ti, :1 0
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related a story from c irca 20 15-2 0 16 . For a d ifferent assignment ,
got tall: t o th~ . Dur ing that
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indicated that po wer and authorit y when
it came t o press relati ons had centrali:ed ,)n Pesl:ov . - - -
frien.:J indicated that " [we ' re] all un,jer Pesl:ov now ," ·~!~
t ook t o mean that authority within the Presidential A,jmini s trati o n' s
PR/ GR c ircles ha.:J entered a r.,yramid-type stage with Pesl:ov at the tc•r.•
of the pyrami d .
(U/ / FOUO) The intervi e wers as l:ed - about how Ch ri stopher Steele
would go about debriefing him after hi s v i s it s , spec ifi ca l ly about how
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(U/ / FOUO) - s aid that he did not have any UK-ba sed friend s (,r
social netwo rk connections from whom he collects informatio n .
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(U/ /F0U0) Ill 2016
(U//F0U0) 2016
(U//FOUO) He remarl:ed that the - trip wa s " odd , " e:-:plaining that,
upo n entry , he was interviewed mo re pointedly than usual . This was the
o nly time it ha s happened . For about five minutes , he was peppered with
questions and sta tements lil:e , "What exactly are you planning to do
here? Who are you visiting? Your r~o t o lool:s
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wa$ "ho w perfectly it all •,1ent . " No thing ba,:! happened . There were a
number c,f event s f o r which he was the fa c ilitato r . He had t o mal:e su re
peo ple were where they were s uppos ed t o be, and he al so gave a
witho ut a hitch .
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(U//FOUO) - 2016
(U / / FOUO) - traveled tc, the Ur- at the end .:,f - : ,:,ic. The
trip was j o intly finance,:! by Orbis anj - himself . He met with
Steele , but mos t o f the rest of Orbi s staff wa s o n a retreat in Dublin .
He and Steele went o ut , had a glass o f c hampagne, and had o nl y ge neral
conversations. There was no discussio n 0 f the elec ti o n, and no
dis cuss i on o f the electi o n-re lated pr oj ect .
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(U/ / FOUOJ - has had friends r-each .:,u t t o him about Trumi:, an·i
the dossier . He ' s cons i derei it no rmal joking -
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and to a restaurant
, went sh(•J.:'ping
came out f 0 1 her
He doesn ' t know e~actly where she visited
while in the United States , but he thought it was
FBI . He
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l0ng after · met him in the Unitej States .
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(1) his :riend, Fnend •,;he, ·.-10rl:e :l fc,r the FSB in c,r :ier t ,:,
t:tay out o f jail SIA Russian official
- t o l ,:i him
a pi c tur e 0: the :loo rs at
FSi3EQ , - wa s -:1ue s tic,ne :I
had made about the lea:ler sh ip
tLreatene :I.
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shc,ul :l be s h oul :l wat c h hi s mo uth an:l
act respo nsibly . " - en:lect abc, ut thi s int e ra c ti ,:,n ,
an:i recei ·.;e:l a l,:.,t o f j o l:ing abc, ut
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(U / / FOUO) - brushe.j asi.Je tr.e ijea ,:, :: being ar-·r-·r-~,ache:i b:r· the
intelligence and security ser~i ces as a s tu.:lent . He explained that it
was the late the uni~ersity set ting was rather lax .
class a~l that o ften bec ause hi s
language was alread; g o0.j an.J the classes weren ' t that useful . Peo ple
sm0l:e,.:l in class an.j -.:lressed d0wn .
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met Yuriy Us h ako7 a few times - a n,j remarl:e,:i hc,w ll:::hal:<:,\"
i s l:no wn tc, 01;erate "inder.,enden t" of La1.rr,:,,i .
. . , a-'-s
. ,:, met Sergey
i-:islya l: at a couple o f events - he recal2.e,j c-ne e\;ent that ha r.·r-enc- j ,;n
hi s
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