33 reviews
Adult Fare Well Done
A well written screenplay, that is intelligent and superbly acted. There should be more of these type movies, but sadly Hollywood has to pander and more often than not we are left with stories that spell everything out in advance and leave nothing to the imagination.
I was on the edge of my seat, as each new revelation surprised me--- up to the very end. Everyone involved seemed to have a hidden agenda and there was dealing and double-dealing galore. I so recommend this as I so recommend IMDb not insist that each review is 600 words. That forces me sometimes to ramble on unnecessarily. Like I just did.
I was on the edge of my seat, as each new revelation surprised me--- up to the very end. Everyone involved seemed to have a hidden agenda and there was dealing and double-dealing galore. I so recommend this as I so recommend IMDb not insist that each review is 600 words. That forces me sometimes to ramble on unnecessarily. Like I just did.
- RRiley9945
- Oct 23, 2024
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What's your secret?
Greetings again from the darkness. It feels like it's been a while since we had a good old fashioned serious-minded, tension-packed, "big" drama film featuring big movie stars. Well, that's exactly what director Edward Berger, fresh off his Oscar-winning ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (2022), serves up with his latest. Writer Peter Straughan (TINKER TAILOR SOLDIER SPY, 2011) has adapted the 2016 Robert Harris novel, and the result is a welcome crowd-pleaser that may garner some Oscar consideration.
Ralph Fiennes delivers what may be his best performance yet. And that's saying something for the much-respected actor who has previously excelled in such films as SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993), THE CONSTANT GARDNER (2005), IN BRUGES (2008), A BIGGER SPLASH (2018), and THE MENU (2022). His impressive career is only enhanced by this most recent role of Cardinal Lawrence, saddled with the heavy burden of facilitating the titular Conclave charged with electing the new Pope. As the film opens, the beloved Pope has just passed ... and as they say, "let the games begin". Of course, these games are all about political maneuverings and power struggles and backroom promises. Director Berger opts to show us very little of the actual negotiations, and instead puts the various iterations of loyalty on display during each successive secret (of course) vote.
Within the confined walls of Vatican City and the Sistine Chapel, Cardinal Lawrence's time is mostly spent investigating tips, scolding others for their behavior, and dealing with the immense egos of the few being considered (including himself). Stanley Tucci plays Cardinal Bellini, who pretends to not want the job while campaigning as the 'progressive' voice the church needs now. John Lithgow is Cardinal Tremblay, one of the most assertively ambitious who may or may not have purposefully undermined the work of another. Either way, Lucian Msmuati's Cardinal Adivemi is the victim of Tremblay's actions. Cardinal Tedesco, portrayed by Sergio Castellitto, is the most outspoken in his desire to return the church to the old ways (Latin masses forever!), what he sees as proper. Bryan F O'Byrne plays O'Malley, assistant to Lawrence, and yet, despite all of these men, it's Isabella Rossellini as Sister Agnes who manages to shoot (figurative) fire from her eyes, while maintaining her 'place' and significantly impacting the process. She is stunning and memorable in her limited role.
Early on, a big surprise arrives in the form of Cardinal Benitez (Carlos Diehz) of Kabul, who was the most recent appointee by the previous Pope, and unknown to the others. As a novel, this may be a real page-turner, and yet the movie never rushes from one moment to the next. Tension builds with each revelation and tarnished robe and secretive plot. Although the film barely skims the years-long sexual abuse scandal in the church, there is a stream of twists and turns that keep us on our toes as the Cardinals are sequestered. It's fascinating to see how cinematographer Stephane Fontaine keeps things visually interesting in an enclosed environment filled with characters who aren't allowed to go anywhere else. Another aspect I truly appreciated was the unusual musical score composed by Oscar winner Volker Bertelmann. This is the type of movie which often features overbearing music to 'enhance' tension, yet Bertelmann's notes are effective jabs at just the right times.
Power plays, corruption, and political stunts are all present as these Men of God bungle the process of picking their next leader. Importance of the mission and tradition pale in comparison to ego and self-interest. The symmetry to U. S. politics is unmistakable and surely a purposeful approach by Berger. The final twist may be a bit out of proverbial left field, but in a room filled with secrets, perhaps that's as it should be. To balance the tension and seriousness, anyone paying attention will appreciate the subtle humor, especially as it plays out as these relics muddle through modern day situations (technology, social progressiveness, terrorism). This is certainly not a film created for Catholics only, although for a brief moment, I worried we might have one that could be subtitled, "The Catholic Crying Game". Fortunately, it's one with a tension-filled story, terrific visual shots, a perfect score, and superb acting ... a fun movie to watch.
Opening in theaters on October 25, 2024.
Ralph Fiennes delivers what may be his best performance yet. And that's saying something for the much-respected actor who has previously excelled in such films as SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993), THE CONSTANT GARDNER (2005), IN BRUGES (2008), A BIGGER SPLASH (2018), and THE MENU (2022). His impressive career is only enhanced by this most recent role of Cardinal Lawrence, saddled with the heavy burden of facilitating the titular Conclave charged with electing the new Pope. As the film opens, the beloved Pope has just passed ... and as they say, "let the games begin". Of course, these games are all about political maneuverings and power struggles and backroom promises. Director Berger opts to show us very little of the actual negotiations, and instead puts the various iterations of loyalty on display during each successive secret (of course) vote.
Within the confined walls of Vatican City and the Sistine Chapel, Cardinal Lawrence's time is mostly spent investigating tips, scolding others for their behavior, and dealing with the immense egos of the few being considered (including himself). Stanley Tucci plays Cardinal Bellini, who pretends to not want the job while campaigning as the 'progressive' voice the church needs now. John Lithgow is Cardinal Tremblay, one of the most assertively ambitious who may or may not have purposefully undermined the work of another. Either way, Lucian Msmuati's Cardinal Adivemi is the victim of Tremblay's actions. Cardinal Tedesco, portrayed by Sergio Castellitto, is the most outspoken in his desire to return the church to the old ways (Latin masses forever!), what he sees as proper. Bryan F O'Byrne plays O'Malley, assistant to Lawrence, and yet, despite all of these men, it's Isabella Rossellini as Sister Agnes who manages to shoot (figurative) fire from her eyes, while maintaining her 'place' and significantly impacting the process. She is stunning and memorable in her limited role.
Early on, a big surprise arrives in the form of Cardinal Benitez (Carlos Diehz) of Kabul, who was the most recent appointee by the previous Pope, and unknown to the others. As a novel, this may be a real page-turner, and yet the movie never rushes from one moment to the next. Tension builds with each revelation and tarnished robe and secretive plot. Although the film barely skims the years-long sexual abuse scandal in the church, there is a stream of twists and turns that keep us on our toes as the Cardinals are sequestered. It's fascinating to see how cinematographer Stephane Fontaine keeps things visually interesting in an enclosed environment filled with characters who aren't allowed to go anywhere else. Another aspect I truly appreciated was the unusual musical score composed by Oscar winner Volker Bertelmann. This is the type of movie which often features overbearing music to 'enhance' tension, yet Bertelmann's notes are effective jabs at just the right times.
Power plays, corruption, and political stunts are all present as these Men of God bungle the process of picking their next leader. Importance of the mission and tradition pale in comparison to ego and self-interest. The symmetry to U. S. politics is unmistakable and surely a purposeful approach by Berger. The final twist may be a bit out of proverbial left field, but in a room filled with secrets, perhaps that's as it should be. To balance the tension and seriousness, anyone paying attention will appreciate the subtle humor, especially as it plays out as these relics muddle through modern day situations (technology, social progressiveness, terrorism). This is certainly not a film created for Catholics only, although for a brief moment, I worried we might have one that could be subtitled, "The Catholic Crying Game". Fortunately, it's one with a tension-filled story, terrific visual shots, a perfect score, and superb acting ... a fun movie to watch.
Opening in theaters on October 25, 2024.
- ferguson-6
- Oct 23, 2024
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Spellbinding Conclave
The death of a pope and the subsequent election of a new one is an event that the Catholic world follows with great interest. As a period of mourning for the deceased pope is observed, the suspense builds and a worldwide audience learns the names and nationalities of the main contenders. This movie shows the protocols that follow the death of a pope and takes the viewer inside the walls of the Vatican as we see the various contenders. Ralph Fiennes is superb as Cardinal Lawrence, the Dean of the College of Cardinals, the church prelate who organizes and manages the conclave. Stanley Tucci as Cardinal Bellini is the liberal favourite while Sergio Castellito is Cardinal Tedesco, the conservative alternative. Other contenders rise and fall. There is tension and infighting that highlights the rivalry because the stakes are so high. The outside world never knows what form the discussions take or the possible conflicts because the process is highly secretive. This movie lends drama to what could happen during the course of the conclave. Some conclaves are over in a short period of time; others take longer to play out. In this movie, the voting reaches a stalemate followed by a surprise and then another. We see how the Vatican and the world are not at odds but are interwoven. As an observer of these conclaves, I was drawn to the character of Cardinal Lawrence and how he had to navigate the challenges and limitations of his role. A fine movie and a great performance by Ralph Fiennes.
Oscar Worthy Through and Through
The Conclave is a great film that is sure to keep you on the edge of your seat and holding your breath. Edward Berger's vision is perfectly executed in just about every way possible. Ralph Fiennes delivers an Oscar worthy lead performance, as he is incredible as Cardinal Lawrence. When he gives his speech and says, "There is one sin which I have come to fear above all others: certainty. If there was only certainty and no doubt, there would be no mystery. And therefore, no need for faith..." Absolute chills. The screenplay and dialogue is intelligent and well crafted, but also elevated by superb acting throughout. Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow, Sergio Castellitto, and Isabella Rossellini were all excellent in their respective roles. This film should be up for several Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Score, Actor in a Leading Role, Best Cinematography, and more. It's just that good. The score is perfect, as it perfectly captures each defining twist and turn as the drama unfolds. The storyline is captivating, pacing is solid, and the characters are all so interesting in their own ways. Go see it!
- christianreedbrown-65145
- Oct 24, 2024
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Excelente!
- Mehki_Girl
- Oct 25, 2024
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The Pope is dope
This is perhaps the best film I've seen this year and I've seen quite a few. This is a serious film, perhaps the only serious film that I've seen thsi year and it can be considered adult fare as many of the many details in this film will not be caught by a younger crowd. There were only adults in the matinee on opening day and this was the best attended matinee that I've been to so far this year. The film has great color, details, sets, writing, and plot with several plot twists thrown in for good measure. I don't really consider it to be a mystery as I had the plot figured out early on, but it is presented in a very good fashion. It features a great cast and some really good acting. All in all a great film and I'm considering seeing it again.
Masterpiece
Scebery, music, storyline. The average score does not make it justice. This is one of the best movies I ever seen.
The acting was a 10/10 and the timing of each scene was perfect. Felt like an Oppenheimer production . Please give it a try.
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The acting was a 10/10 and the timing of each scene was perfect. Felt like an Oppenheimer production . Please give it a try.
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- youssefsebti
- Oct 27, 2024
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Even The Vatican Can't Get Away From The Drama
LIKES
Acting
Realism (To Most Degrees)
Some Dramatic Intervention
Smart Dialogue
The Mystery To Some Degree
Involvement Of Most Characters
The Cinematography
Summary: A legend like Ralph Fiennes is a solid opener for my likes, as the man takes so much of his English heritage and integrates it into the head of the Conclave. Elegant, crafty, poised, but never shy of getting emotional when needed, Fiennes abilities of balance continue to impress me with how he invests in making a good character. Tucci goes a bit more theatrical, his character the voice of the "liberal" side as his aggressions and passions are artfully delivered in a manner fit for the stage to offset Fiennes' calmer tones. Lithgow, on the other hand, is almost a mix of the two extremes, holding his usual support role that keeps so many of the leading sides held and providing perhaps most of the engaging mystery element in the search for the truth. All the cast members excel in this movie, each member vying for the seat, making adequate contributions and performances to present those ideas. I'll use this moment to also say I'm impressed that Conclave is very efficient at keeping all the players introduced at the beginning of the movie ingrained in the story. Conclave is all about the interactions and connections that each Cardinal has to go for the throne, and Berger's team has kept them all engaged in the very complex story. And with such smart dialogue, the characters and performers have plenty of material to bring this realistic tale to life and give one a feeling of being involved in such an established tradition. When the drama is integrated to spice things up, the realism does not lose much merit, resulting in a nice balance that plays well to the character development and office traditions.
Finally, the best thing about this movie is the cinematography for viewers like me. Powerful camera work adds so much emotional support to the film, with impressive coordination of shots, each diagrammed to give you the best visual display. In my viewing, I got wide shots of the church that portrayed the majestic expanse of the historical architecture, close-up shots that give the intensity of a character's stare as they ponder the latest information, and panning shots that give one fleeting shots of someone walking throughout as they seek to make things happen. Brilliant lighting and filters accompany these shots and further add that dramatic touch, but they seldom get in the way of seeing what's going on in the shot. Fantastic editing brings all of this together in smooth cuts, logical storyboards, and not relying on too many effects to enhance the experience.
DISLIKES:
Slow In A Lot of Places
Very Pretentious At Times
Most Of The Mysteries Have Lackluster Finishes
Becomes More About Politics
Contrived Ending That Shatters Some of the Disbelief
Summary: For all the acting and visual strengths of this movie, Conclave does fail for some other elements that take away from the splendor hinted at in trailers. The movie is slow, with other points feeling slower than others, as they do their best to move towards the election of the Pope. Primarily in conversational bantering and repetitive sequences in the same rooms, the film sometimes gets lost in this sequential discovery of facts and, without the assistance of more exciting movie elements, becomes droll outside of drama lovers. A mystery is established somewhat at the beginning, but this quickly fades and starts becoming more of a political drama than the mystery thriller I thought it would be. If you don't care to be reminded of the current political views, this is a major limitation as the movie starts to leave the mystery elements behind, with many of the questions having rather bland and pretentious answers. This is especially true at the end, where politics becomes a key focus and almost takes a major divergence towards feeling like social media debates and a philosophy class rather than an engaging end to the mystery. What could further disappoint is that the movie's ending completely undermines realism at times and again forgoes the logic and just about all the actions and litigation you see in the movie. That stumble led to a very disappointing ending in regards to the selling point of the movie despite the symbolic and characteristic ending they pulled in at the last minute.
The VERDICT:
Conclave is indeed a stunning piece of work for me, primarily for the acting and cinematography that brings this tradition to life in extraordinary detail. I loved the wit, the realism, and the process of electing a pope alongside the earlier moments of trying to figure out the mysteries at hand. It's a fantastic portrayal of characters while also testing the traditions and credos that many discuss about religion in their various media. While the film thrives as a political and religious drama, it fails in regards to a mystery and thriller, and adjusting your mindset may help you enjoy this movie more with that effort in mind. Contrived, pompous, and slow make this film less engaging, and the realistic content is going to provide less opportunity to escape if that is what you are looking for when hitting the movies. In the end, this film is probably best reserved for home vs. A theater trip, but for quality acting, definitely give this one a try.
My scores are: Thriller: 6.5-7.0 Movie Overall: 6.0.
Acting
Realism (To Most Degrees)
Some Dramatic Intervention
Smart Dialogue
The Mystery To Some Degree
Involvement Of Most Characters
The Cinematography
Summary: A legend like Ralph Fiennes is a solid opener for my likes, as the man takes so much of his English heritage and integrates it into the head of the Conclave. Elegant, crafty, poised, but never shy of getting emotional when needed, Fiennes abilities of balance continue to impress me with how he invests in making a good character. Tucci goes a bit more theatrical, his character the voice of the "liberal" side as his aggressions and passions are artfully delivered in a manner fit for the stage to offset Fiennes' calmer tones. Lithgow, on the other hand, is almost a mix of the two extremes, holding his usual support role that keeps so many of the leading sides held and providing perhaps most of the engaging mystery element in the search for the truth. All the cast members excel in this movie, each member vying for the seat, making adequate contributions and performances to present those ideas. I'll use this moment to also say I'm impressed that Conclave is very efficient at keeping all the players introduced at the beginning of the movie ingrained in the story. Conclave is all about the interactions and connections that each Cardinal has to go for the throne, and Berger's team has kept them all engaged in the very complex story. And with such smart dialogue, the characters and performers have plenty of material to bring this realistic tale to life and give one a feeling of being involved in such an established tradition. When the drama is integrated to spice things up, the realism does not lose much merit, resulting in a nice balance that plays well to the character development and office traditions.
Finally, the best thing about this movie is the cinematography for viewers like me. Powerful camera work adds so much emotional support to the film, with impressive coordination of shots, each diagrammed to give you the best visual display. In my viewing, I got wide shots of the church that portrayed the majestic expanse of the historical architecture, close-up shots that give the intensity of a character's stare as they ponder the latest information, and panning shots that give one fleeting shots of someone walking throughout as they seek to make things happen. Brilliant lighting and filters accompany these shots and further add that dramatic touch, but they seldom get in the way of seeing what's going on in the shot. Fantastic editing brings all of this together in smooth cuts, logical storyboards, and not relying on too many effects to enhance the experience.
DISLIKES:
Slow In A Lot of Places
Very Pretentious At Times
Most Of The Mysteries Have Lackluster Finishes
Becomes More About Politics
Contrived Ending That Shatters Some of the Disbelief
Summary: For all the acting and visual strengths of this movie, Conclave does fail for some other elements that take away from the splendor hinted at in trailers. The movie is slow, with other points feeling slower than others, as they do their best to move towards the election of the Pope. Primarily in conversational bantering and repetitive sequences in the same rooms, the film sometimes gets lost in this sequential discovery of facts and, without the assistance of more exciting movie elements, becomes droll outside of drama lovers. A mystery is established somewhat at the beginning, but this quickly fades and starts becoming more of a political drama than the mystery thriller I thought it would be. If you don't care to be reminded of the current political views, this is a major limitation as the movie starts to leave the mystery elements behind, with many of the questions having rather bland and pretentious answers. This is especially true at the end, where politics becomes a key focus and almost takes a major divergence towards feeling like social media debates and a philosophy class rather than an engaging end to the mystery. What could further disappoint is that the movie's ending completely undermines realism at times and again forgoes the logic and just about all the actions and litigation you see in the movie. That stumble led to a very disappointing ending in regards to the selling point of the movie despite the symbolic and characteristic ending they pulled in at the last minute.
The VERDICT:
Conclave is indeed a stunning piece of work for me, primarily for the acting and cinematography that brings this tradition to life in extraordinary detail. I loved the wit, the realism, and the process of electing a pope alongside the earlier moments of trying to figure out the mysteries at hand. It's a fantastic portrayal of characters while also testing the traditions and credos that many discuss about religion in their various media. While the film thrives as a political and religious drama, it fails in regards to a mystery and thriller, and adjusting your mindset may help you enjoy this movie more with that effort in mind. Contrived, pompous, and slow make this film less engaging, and the realistic content is going to provide less opportunity to escape if that is what you are looking for when hitting the movies. In the end, this film is probably best reserved for home vs. A theater trip, but for quality acting, definitely give this one a try.
My scores are: Thriller: 6.5-7.0 Movie Overall: 6.0.
Excellent
- felixkerscher
- Oct 9, 2024
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Excellent but with flaws.
Future Oscar winner
- Manus-McFadden
- Oct 10, 2024
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Nice idea, but poorly executed
I went in expecting to love this film. The premise is great and the cast is phenomenal. Unfortunately, it relied too much on cinematography and music to artificially create a sense of drama instead of simply making the script tighter. The film attempted to address several current issues, both social and religious, but only did so halfheartedly. It instead just hinted at the issues while using framing and musical clichés to make the drama. With such a brilliant cast, if the script were more honed with more finesse, this could have easily been a formidable work. Instead, it leaves the viewer disappointed.
- jeff-43642
- Oct 26, 2024
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Pie in the face ending
- cptgunhada
- Oct 27, 2024
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A Masterclass in Tension and Theological Intrigue
Director Edward Berger, known for his sharp storytelling, has delivered a cinematic gem with "Conclave," a film that transcends the boundaries of the typical thriller to delve deep into the heart of the Roman Catholic Church. Based on Robert Harris's novel, this adaptation is not merely a translation from page to screen but a reimagining that breathes new life into the already rich narrative.
Plot and Execution: The film follows Cardinal Thomas Lawrence, impeccably portrayed by Ralph Fiennes, as he navigates the labyrinthine politics of papal election within the Vatican's ancient walls. Berger meticulously crafts an atmosphere of suspense where every whispered conversation, every secretive glance, is charged with the gravity of the election's outcome. The plot unfolds with the precision of a Swiss watch, each tick and tock echoing the heartbeat of the Church itself.
Performances: Ralph Fiennes anchors the film with a performance that is both understated and powerful. His portrayal of Cardinal Lawrence is a study in restraint, where every subtle expression conveys the weight of his character's internal and external conflicts. Supporting him, John Lithgow as Cardinal Tremblay offers a masterclass in villainy, weaving charm with cunning so seamlessly that it's impossible not to be captivated by his machinations.
Themes and Symbolism: "Conclave" isn't just about the election of a Pope; it's a microcosm of power, tradition versus modernity, and the human condition. The film tackles these themes with a deft hand, never preaching but always prompting thought. The climax, with its revelation regarding Cardinal Benitez, serves not just as a plot twist but as a profound commentary on identity, acceptance, and the evolving face of global religion.
Cinematography and Score: The visual language of "Conclave" deserves special mention. The confined spaces of the Vatican are shot with a claustrophobic intimacy that mirrors the internal struggles of the characters. The score, haunting and evocative, enhances the sense of isolation and high stakes, complementing the imagery to create a nearly tactile experience of the conclave's tension.
Conclusion: "Conclave" is a tour de force of filmmaking. It's a film that entertains, provokes, and lingers in the mind long after the credits roll. Berger, along with his cast and crew, have not only adapted a book into a film but have elevated it into a critique on power, faith, and human nature. For those who appreciate films that challenge as much as they entertain, "Conclave" is a must-watch, deserving every bit of its 9 out of 10 stars. It's not just a film; it's an experience that invites you into the heart of one of the world's most secretive institutions and leaves you questioning, pondering, and ultimately, admiring the artistry on display.
Plot and Execution: The film follows Cardinal Thomas Lawrence, impeccably portrayed by Ralph Fiennes, as he navigates the labyrinthine politics of papal election within the Vatican's ancient walls. Berger meticulously crafts an atmosphere of suspense where every whispered conversation, every secretive glance, is charged with the gravity of the election's outcome. The plot unfolds with the precision of a Swiss watch, each tick and tock echoing the heartbeat of the Church itself.
Performances: Ralph Fiennes anchors the film with a performance that is both understated and powerful. His portrayal of Cardinal Lawrence is a study in restraint, where every subtle expression conveys the weight of his character's internal and external conflicts. Supporting him, John Lithgow as Cardinal Tremblay offers a masterclass in villainy, weaving charm with cunning so seamlessly that it's impossible not to be captivated by his machinations.
Themes and Symbolism: "Conclave" isn't just about the election of a Pope; it's a microcosm of power, tradition versus modernity, and the human condition. The film tackles these themes with a deft hand, never preaching but always prompting thought. The climax, with its revelation regarding Cardinal Benitez, serves not just as a plot twist but as a profound commentary on identity, acceptance, and the evolving face of global religion.
Cinematography and Score: The visual language of "Conclave" deserves special mention. The confined spaces of the Vatican are shot with a claustrophobic intimacy that mirrors the internal struggles of the characters. The score, haunting and evocative, enhances the sense of isolation and high stakes, complementing the imagery to create a nearly tactile experience of the conclave's tension.
Conclusion: "Conclave" is a tour de force of filmmaking. It's a film that entertains, provokes, and lingers in the mind long after the credits roll. Berger, along with his cast and crew, have not only adapted a book into a film but have elevated it into a critique on power, faith, and human nature. For those who appreciate films that challenge as much as they entertain, "Conclave" is a must-watch, deserving every bit of its 9 out of 10 stars. It's not just a film; it's an experience that invites you into the heart of one of the world's most secretive institutions and leaves you questioning, pondering, and ultimately, admiring the artistry on display.
- Kaidenthompson2004
- Oct 25, 2024
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Entertaining study of Vatican politics
A very fine movie overall, displaying good use of the talents of the cast and crew. Many nice touches add to the interest and entertainment value, e.g. Lines delivered in Latin with subtitles in English. Very approachable presentation. I especially liked the audio work, as the lines were easier to hear and understand than in many other recent films, and the score was very effective. The characters and staging may have been sanitized a bit to appeal to a wider audience. A more gritty, realistic portrayal would have been an interesting alternative here. This film should be especially entertaining to those who take in interest in the evolution of the Papacy through new popes, showing the changing understanding of how to interpret Christ's teachings in the modern world. Definitely see this if you have strong opinions about the choices the Church makes in selecting popes. Non Catholics will also enjoy this look at how the sausage is made, and we don't see this inside perspective often. The only comparable film recently was "The Two Popes," which was a more cordial story. The present film is more about the intrigue and Machiavellian behavior in the College of Cardinals. The climax of the plot is near the end, but it's well worth the wait, and quite unpredictable.
- Jackthemovielover
- Oct 25, 2024
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Do you call them a a college, conclave, deeck, radiance, or a Vatican of cardinals?
Sixty-one years ago, I went to see The Cardinal (1963), a major film welcomed by the RC community. It too had big stars, lavish production values, and early accolades. Too bad that the community does not welcome this one as well, since there is no cause for offense in it. It is simply a welcome diversion in a dark historical moment. Thankfully, the horror film stuff I was expecting is absent. One leaves the theatre feeling good. That is why I have no problem with its farther fetched bits. I appreciate the parallel with 12 Angry Men (1957). The Godfather Part III (1990) really was a commentary on then-contemporary events in the RC Church. This one is harmless as a dove, and yet very exciting.
The Pope is dead! Long live the Pope!
A thriller and a fine film--Selecting a pope! Who would have thought
"Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it," Plato
Mysteries abound in the Catholic Church, from the virgin birth to the transubstantiation, but rarely will you witness a mystery you can solve. Conclave, a thriller about the fictional selection of a pope, shows more about the ambitions of many "papabili" (those qualified to become pope) than it does about doctrine.
The curia is a curious place where cardinals reside and ambitions are rampant along with vice, jealousy, bigotry, and lies. Dean Lawrence (Ralph Fiennes) is almost devoid of ambition (see Plato's adage above). Consequently, the ambitious rumors come to him and thus to us. At times the shenanigans seem ripped right from our current presidential election, where, as it gets close to November, we hear even more rumors and plain bad will.
Lawrence, a dignified man with scruples, tells why his own doubts are characteristic of emerging wisdom: "Faith is a living thing because it walks hand in hand with doubt. With certainty, there is no need of faith," he preaches. "Let us choose a Pope who doubts." For Lawrence, a candidate who is all certainty, will as pope drag the institution back, failing to keep it fresh and contemporary.
Director Edgar Berger helms with a steady hand on the intimacies kept from the crowds waiting for The Vatican's smoke to announce a new pope. Such secrecy lends itself to a fine thriller, whose secrecy is nectar for the audience which can claim to be in on it all.
Besides the clues and considerations, we watch the human drama of competing for the big prize and not quite the best candidates. Nuns, however, can be relied on, especially Sister Agnes (Isabella Rossellini), who watches and intrudes only when necessary.
After a reveal or two, things settle down to what it is, just a good thriller with the college of cardinals providing juicy bad boys.
Not all popes have been perfectly holy: witness Pope John Paul's covering up sex abuse cases and Pope Benedict XVI formerly being a Hitler Youth. Or read Dan Brown's Angels & Demons. However, in this unabashedly fictional Conclave, the cardinals may choose a man who "sins and asks for forgiveness." Or, a Platonic choice of lacking ambition, too. And a measure of doubt.
Mysteries abound in the Catholic Church, from the virgin birth to the transubstantiation, but rarely will you witness a mystery you can solve. Conclave, a thriller about the fictional selection of a pope, shows more about the ambitions of many "papabili" (those qualified to become pope) than it does about doctrine.
The curia is a curious place where cardinals reside and ambitions are rampant along with vice, jealousy, bigotry, and lies. Dean Lawrence (Ralph Fiennes) is almost devoid of ambition (see Plato's adage above). Consequently, the ambitious rumors come to him and thus to us. At times the shenanigans seem ripped right from our current presidential election, where, as it gets close to November, we hear even more rumors and plain bad will.
Lawrence, a dignified man with scruples, tells why his own doubts are characteristic of emerging wisdom: "Faith is a living thing because it walks hand in hand with doubt. With certainty, there is no need of faith," he preaches. "Let us choose a Pope who doubts." For Lawrence, a candidate who is all certainty, will as pope drag the institution back, failing to keep it fresh and contemporary.
Director Edgar Berger helms with a steady hand on the intimacies kept from the crowds waiting for The Vatican's smoke to announce a new pope. Such secrecy lends itself to a fine thriller, whose secrecy is nectar for the audience which can claim to be in on it all.
Besides the clues and considerations, we watch the human drama of competing for the big prize and not quite the best candidates. Nuns, however, can be relied on, especially Sister Agnes (Isabella Rossellini), who watches and intrudes only when necessary.
After a reveal or two, things settle down to what it is, just a good thriller with the college of cardinals providing juicy bad boys.
Not all popes have been perfectly holy: witness Pope John Paul's covering up sex abuse cases and Pope Benedict XVI formerly being a Hitler Youth. Or read Dan Brown's Angels & Demons. However, in this unabashedly fictional Conclave, the cardinals may choose a man who "sins and asks for forgiveness." Or, a Platonic choice of lacking ambition, too. And a measure of doubt.
- JohnDeSando
- Oct 24, 2024
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Intriguing and Well Crafted Political Thriller
Conclave is an adult political thriller with copious amounts of detail and care. The cast does a great job all around, with Ralph Fiennes putting on an Oscar-worthy show. The plot is paced maybe a touch slow, but otherwise the runtime was used very intelligently.
The most striking thing about this film for me is the photography and imagery present throughout. Of course, filming a movie about the Catholic church is going to make awe-inspiring imagery rampant, but the DP found many creative ways to shoot an already awesome proceeding. And speaking about the fantastic nature of the proceedings, Conclave's most effective tool is giving the audience a glimpse into the imperfect humanity that runs this organization of God.
In some ways, Conclave's journey is pretty basic, but the execution is so good that it doesn't really matter. A good film that will no doubt be a Best Picture nominee.
The most striking thing about this film for me is the photography and imagery present throughout. Of course, filming a movie about the Catholic church is going to make awe-inspiring imagery rampant, but the DP found many creative ways to shoot an already awesome proceeding. And speaking about the fantastic nature of the proceedings, Conclave's most effective tool is giving the audience a glimpse into the imperfect humanity that runs this organization of God.
In some ways, Conclave's journey is pretty basic, but the execution is so good that it doesn't really matter. A good film that will no doubt be a Best Picture nominee.
More slow burn mystery than thriller
There is very little "action" here. It's slow and methodical am riddled with secrets. Everybody has an agenda, well almost everyone. Blind ambition willing to take down a rival through embarrassment and win through Simony. Others with false modesty given away when voting begins, and others through shear zealotry. The twists (like a mystery) come as secrets are revealed and agendas are exposed. The final outcome might be discerned by the most perceptive of viewers, knowing how these sorts of narrative go. And they would most likely be wrong. The final twist is less shocking than it is thoughtful and profound.
Excellent performances abound. Stanley Tucci feels a little like Nigel in a tunic and miter. But Ralph Finnes and Isabella Rosalini truly stand out. Rosalini's curtsey at the end of an impassioned speech is in and of itself worthy of an Oscar nomination. There are also some incredible and surprising visual tableaux, like an aerial shot of 100 plus cardinals moving towards the conclave in the rain beneath pure white umbrellas.
Definitely worth the price of. Ticket and two hours of your time.
Excellent performances abound. Stanley Tucci feels a little like Nigel in a tunic and miter. But Ralph Finnes and Isabella Rosalini truly stand out. Rosalini's curtsey at the end of an impassioned speech is in and of itself worthy of an Oscar nomination. There are also some incredible and surprising visual tableaux, like an aerial shot of 100 plus cardinals moving towards the conclave in the rain beneath pure white umbrellas.
Definitely worth the price of. Ticket and two hours of your time.
- mjanelle-24974
- Oct 26, 2024
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The Pope's New Groove
An engaging religious thriller that explores the behind-closed doors of the Catholic system with wonderful camerawork, direction, and performances from the entire cast members.
Catholicism and its religion has some very dark moments that I personally dislike but Conclave is able to explore its themes (including some ballsy themes traditional religious works wouldn't explore), atmosphere, and tone approach strongly. Edward Berger's direction is pretty good with his choices on the approach of the writing and the tone being strong. Many of the performances from the cast members are great and there are some characters that I found myself being invested in.
While the narrative is pretty simple and it does have some of the Oscar Bait Levels surrounding, the undeniable passion on the direction, performances and the dialogue does help to keep the engagement throughout to be strong, tenseful, and enjoyable.
Side note, the people who call this movie "woke", please, sit down and close your mouths :)
Catholicism and its religion has some very dark moments that I personally dislike but Conclave is able to explore its themes (including some ballsy themes traditional religious works wouldn't explore), atmosphere, and tone approach strongly. Edward Berger's direction is pretty good with his choices on the approach of the writing and the tone being strong. Many of the performances from the cast members are great and there are some characters that I found myself being invested in.
While the narrative is pretty simple and it does have some of the Oscar Bait Levels surrounding, the undeniable passion on the direction, performances and the dialogue does help to keep the engagement throughout to be strong, tenseful, and enjoyable.
Side note, the people who call this movie "woke", please, sit down and close your mouths :)
- chenp-54708
- Oct 25, 2024
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Intriguing Process Drama with Outstanding Performances.
Conclave, based on the book, is essentially a political thriller against the backdrop of the machinations of the selection process of a new pope after the current pope unexpectedly dies.
The movie twists and turns its way through the secretive process of the Vatican and it is complete with all manner of chicanery, political intrigue, cloak and dagger and secrets.
The central whirligig of the movie is the big "actor-y" performances by Ralph Fiennes, Stan Tucci, John Lithgow and Lucian Msamati. As of this writing in October of 2024, Ralph Fiennes is probably the best actor in the world who doesn't have an Academy Award on his shelf, but I would not fall over in shock if that fact changed after this year.
The score is imposing and loud and it totally works against the expertly composed imagery and shots that are set up by Edward Berger.
The only weirdo thing that threw me for a little bit of a loop is that, without any spoilers or details, there is kind of a twist that descenders upon the viewer completely out of the blue which lead my audience screening to collectively say "Whaaat? Umm. Okay? I guess?" Don't get me wrong, it's not offensive and doesn't ruin the movie but it was sort of a bizarre turn that left me a little bit baffled.
As a regular person who is 0% religious, I found myself completely engaged and locked in for the entirety of this movie, though it does move a little bit slow towards the beginning. However, once the movie ramps up and gets some steam it maintains for the rest of the movie. This is a must see for old school movie nerds and political machinery junkies.
Super easy 9/10.
The movie twists and turns its way through the secretive process of the Vatican and it is complete with all manner of chicanery, political intrigue, cloak and dagger and secrets.
The central whirligig of the movie is the big "actor-y" performances by Ralph Fiennes, Stan Tucci, John Lithgow and Lucian Msamati. As of this writing in October of 2024, Ralph Fiennes is probably the best actor in the world who doesn't have an Academy Award on his shelf, but I would not fall over in shock if that fact changed after this year.
The score is imposing and loud and it totally works against the expertly composed imagery and shots that are set up by Edward Berger.
The only weirdo thing that threw me for a little bit of a loop is that, without any spoilers or details, there is kind of a twist that descenders upon the viewer completely out of the blue which lead my audience screening to collectively say "Whaaat? Umm. Okay? I guess?" Don't get me wrong, it's not offensive and doesn't ruin the movie but it was sort of a bizarre turn that left me a little bit baffled.
As a regular person who is 0% religious, I found myself completely engaged and locked in for the entirety of this movie, though it does move a little bit slow towards the beginning. However, once the movie ramps up and gets some steam it maintains for the rest of the movie. This is a must see for old school movie nerds and political machinery junkies.
Super easy 9/10.
- Nixon_Carmichael
- Oct 25, 2024
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Great until the last 10 minutes
The first hour and a half is excellently made political intrigue with gorgeous cinematography and fantastic acting shot against the backdrop of the beautiful Vatican architecture. Ralph Fiennes is terrific as the dean running the Conclave and doing his best to unwind the various plots to sabotage the candidacies of several "favorites". 9/10 for this part of the movie.
The last ten minutes is a bizarrely contrived hamfisted progressive detour that will have you wondering if you're still watching the same film. 3/10.
"The church is not tradition, the church is what we do next" is Kamala Harris tier word salad nonsense.
Tedesco is the real hero.
The last ten minutes is a bizarrely contrived hamfisted progressive detour that will have you wondering if you're still watching the same film. 3/10.
"The church is not tradition, the church is what we do next" is Kamala Harris tier word salad nonsense.
Tedesco is the real hero.
- thirst-48262
- Oct 26, 2024
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Hear Me Out!!
Hear me out! The movie itself deserves a 6/10. Now, is worthy of encouraging you to see it? NO. And thus, it deserves a 1. Here's why:
To be clear. The performances in the movie are good, not great. There is a terrific sense of realism throughout the movie, but there is not one performance that stand outs and should be nominated for an Oscar, as people suggests.
The story itself is not that interesting. Rather, it kept my attention solely because it was something different, i.e. It delved into the mysterious world of choosing a pope. That's a great subject for a story that I've personally never seen. We get to see processes, locations, costumes, and various perspectives of thought. That was fun.
However, the movie itself was quite boring. I'd say 80% of the movie showed shots of the the lead character in deep thought, which got very much annoying after the 15th time.
There also needed to be much more tension, or fun, or comedy, or ... just SOMETHING. Nothing was happening for large portions of the movie, and for a movie with lots of dialogue, they failed in keeping the plot entertaining.
And don't get me started on that ending. All that dialogue, confrontations, build up, and for this? THIS is how the movie ends? That was the twist? I'm guessing Tyler Perry rewrote the finale to include a magic touch.
Don't get me wrong it's not about the topic or what actually happened-it ust wasn't in line with the story and events. And even then, it didn't feel ... climatic. Like that should have been a much bigger case, with more drama and conflict. But nope, it was settled with a 3 minute conversation amongst 2 people! Boy, talk about a huge letdown.
I do not recommend paying money to see this film. I suggest waiting for stream. Anywho, Gladiator 2 is out next week and so I'd consider spending your cash on that.
To be clear. The performances in the movie are good, not great. There is a terrific sense of realism throughout the movie, but there is not one performance that stand outs and should be nominated for an Oscar, as people suggests.
The story itself is not that interesting. Rather, it kept my attention solely because it was something different, i.e. It delved into the mysterious world of choosing a pope. That's a great subject for a story that I've personally never seen. We get to see processes, locations, costumes, and various perspectives of thought. That was fun.
However, the movie itself was quite boring. I'd say 80% of the movie showed shots of the the lead character in deep thought, which got very much annoying after the 15th time.
There also needed to be much more tension, or fun, or comedy, or ... just SOMETHING. Nothing was happening for large portions of the movie, and for a movie with lots of dialogue, they failed in keeping the plot entertaining.
And don't get me started on that ending. All that dialogue, confrontations, build up, and for this? THIS is how the movie ends? That was the twist? I'm guessing Tyler Perry rewrote the finale to include a magic touch.
Don't get me wrong it's not about the topic or what actually happened-it ust wasn't in line with the story and events. And even then, it didn't feel ... climatic. Like that should have been a much bigger case, with more drama and conflict. But nope, it was settled with a 3 minute conversation amongst 2 people! Boy, talk about a huge letdown.
I do not recommend paying money to see this film. I suggest waiting for stream. Anywho, Gladiator 2 is out next week and so I'd consider spending your cash on that.
understated and intelligent
Director Edward Berger, who just recently was praised for his award-winning film ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT, now has another that might end up being praised too. CONCLAVE is a thriller based on the 2016 novel of the same name written by Robert Harris. The Pope has passed away, leaving the seat vacant. Cardinal-Dean Thomas Lawrence (Ralph Fiennes) is appointed to gather a papal conclave to sequester together to vote on who the successor will be. Sounds kinda boring right? Well you'd be wrong. Being one of the most secretive and ancient events, I found some of the little details with the process fascinating. This movie has some more amazing aspects to it, like puzzle pieces that just fit together perfectly. First, the acting. They utilize an ensemble cast that includes Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow, Sergio Castellitto, Lucian Msamati, and Isabella Rossellini. Each character is looked at carefully in this, by the protagonist and by the audience as well. Fiennes gives an understated yet powerful performance that might be in consideration for a nomination. Second, the technical work. The cinematography works well with the reds and whites of the costumes with the greys of antique Roman marble rooms. They weren't allowed to film in the Vatican, but they still managed to find certain buildings in Rome. The score knows when to throw in a note for suspense, but also to have silent moments, lingering with a character or two, holding a shot for longer than you're used to. At the danger of sounding cliché, they honestly don't make movies like this anymore. In today's society, people have less and less of an attention span, so when a movie like this comes along, it feels refreshing. It also lets the dialogue unfold the story and I appreciated how clear and concise it was. The ending is definitely going to be divisive for some, but I loved it. Overall, CONCLAVE is much more than just Oscar-bait. It is patient, understated, claustrophobic, and it reminds us that we are all human. A movie about the protocols of choosing a new Pope has no business being this amazing.
- stevencsmovies
- Oct 26, 2024
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