Talk:Grave Spore

Is the idea here to create individual pages for each cemetery? Perhaps also for each grave? We could set up a {{cemetery}} infobox template for the former. Samwilson (talk) 08:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great! I think there are good reasons to also describe individual graves, for example because of their special shape or history, a complex inscription or because they exist outside of a cemetery (example in german wikisource). --ChristianSW (talk) 18:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I would like to do a page for each grave, though now that you mention it of course there should be one for each cemetery too. Perhaps we can figure out how to model some more detailed grave information on Wikidata (just as qualifiers on the person's item) and include it on an infobox here.--Pharos (talk) 21:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would like to suggest that we split the content between the different projects

• cemeteries / churchyards -> Geo Spore
• graves -> Grave Spore
• biographies / family history -> Bio Spore

As geographic objects, cemeteries can also be viewed in terms of architectural history, for example. In the grave spore there could be one leave for each grave, so that it's possible to link to the grave leaves from Geo and from Bio Spore or to embed/integrate the grave data into the Geo Spore or Bio Spore leaves...

Following Samwilson, we could use a {{grave}} template for each leave in the Grave Spore - and a {{cemetery}} template in the Geo Spore. --ChristianSW (talk) 17:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ChristianSW: That sounds like a good idea. Keeping the larger geographic places in the Geo Spore makes sense. Samwilson (talk) 06:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How should the names of each leave be formed? How do we deal with the same name of different people? Should the name of the place/cemetery be included? Maybe as a prefix?

Examples:

• Grave:Kingston:Meyer, Thomas
• Grave:Kingston, Old cemetery:Thomas Meyer
• Grave:Old cemetery, Kingston:Thomas Meyer

--ChristianSW (talk) 20:19, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wonder if the values of burial plot reference (P965) could be used as part of the page name? So it'd be something like Grave:<Cemetery Name>:<Burial plot reference>. Samwilson (talk) 07:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Samwilson: Maybe it won't work for some cases, like (remains) from historic burial grounds. Personally, I have the problem that I often can't find a way to research the number. Another problem is that I would like to document historically interesting graves, but I can't read the inscriptions, or I can't read them reliably. For this reasons it is probably sometimes necessary to use a placeholder after the name of the cemetery: Grave: Vineyard burial ground: Grave 1. What about the name of the village, town, ...? Should this be part oft the cemetery name? Grave:<Village/Town/Place>:<Cemetery Name>:<Name / Burial plot reference / Placeholder>? --ChristianSW (talk) 07:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Samwilson: A second, technically more difficult, but much more complex idea: Graves are stored in Grave Spore as individual records, made possible by semantic extensions (Wikibase, ...). A record number is generated for each record as a permanent identifier. This number can be used to form the URl, like in other (genealogical) databases. For example findagrave.com/memorial/243529505/ -> Grave:243529505. With this number as permanent identifier there is no need to include any place oder cemetery name in the URL and the Grave Spore data can be mapped to other genealogical resources. --ChristianSW (talk) 08:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

... and to link to via Wikidata

• WikiTree: Cemeterist Project
• Find a Grave
• WeRelate