ZATVORENO: džekbit konfiskovan 0.74btc dobitak iz live blackjack-a

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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    My username is angelaholmon and I deposited 0.05btc to Jackbit on May 4. I won a bit on live dealer blackjack and my balance reached 0.221btc and successfully withdrew 0.1btc on may 7. Then I used my remaining balance to continue playing, pressing up the size of my bets, and I ran it up to 0.74btc and requested another withdrawal on May 9. They reacted to the withdrawal request by closing my account without any notification or explanation.  At some point in May they zeroed out my balance and re-enabled my account, and I was able to successfully withdraw a 0.001btc leaderboard bonus yesterday. I am not accused of any TOS violation. Here's the email thread, where it seems like they are making up a fake "technical glitch" reason for ghosting me and stealing my money.

    --------------------------Start of Email Thread----------------------------------------
    From Angela May 9:
    Hi!
    I want to withdraw my whole balance of 0.74BTC that I won on blackjack yesterday to bc1qy3aj0u3fl7zr99l3xau5sgnykuzw5wzjyumpz4 in monthly installments. I'm having trouble logging into my account this morning: it says "user is blocked".  I hope you don't think I did anything wrong!


    From Support May 9:

    Dear Angela,

    Thank you for your email.

    Please be informed that the account is closed as it is under investigation. Kindly please wait for the updates via email

    In case of questions, feel free to contact us any time!

    We will be looking forward to hearing from you.

    Have a great day.

    Best regards,

    Tilda / Support Agent


    From Angela May 27:
    I see that my account is reopened but nobody ever notified me by email
    and my balance is missing on the account.  I should still have 0.74btc
    on there but the transaction history says "system withdraw" took out
    some amounts that don't make any sense (3.2btc that I never had).

    From Support May 28:

    Hello,

    We're reaching out to inform you that there was some issue detected on our platform and some winnings  have been credited to your account incorrectly.

    Due to the mentioned reason, unfair winnings have been deducted from your balance and you are free to use the rest of the amount.

    Best regards!

    Amy/ Support Agent

    From Angela May 28:
    There wasn't any issue with the platform as far as I could see. I just
    won a lot playing blackjack and then my balance got zeroed out for no
    reason

    From Support May 29:

    Dear Angela,

    Thank you for your email!

     

    Please be informed that as we have double-checked with the relevant team, there was a technical issue detected on the site and the mistakenly credited winning amount are deducted from your balance.

     

    Keep in mind that the matter is now resolved and the result is final.

     

    Should you have further questions, please contact us anytime.

     

    Have a great day!

     

    Best regards,

    Lincoln / Support agent
    --------------------------End of Email Thread----------------------------------------

    Here is a screenshot of the transactions history on my account:

    I think they subtracted the entire gross win of all my blackjack sessions on May 9 instead of the net win or whatever the error was if there ever was any real error (they won't provide any evidence of any error that affected my balance). There is no bet history log or session log that I can see to double check and they haven't provided any specific information about what the "glitch" was.  It just seems like making up flimsy excuses to avoid paying out a winner, which is the oldest trick in the book for shady online casinos. When I was playing I did not see any anomalous changes in my balance. I won it fair and square playing live dealer blackjack with big bets. (btw, it looks like Jackbit has now discontinued offering that particular live dealer vendor, which I forgot the name of, but it wasn't evolution, and the games were basically the same as any other live dealer blackjack offering)

    Moje korisničko ime je angelaholmon i deponovao sam 0.05btc na Jackbit 4. maja. Osvojio sam malo na live diler blackjack-u i moj bilans je dostigao 0.221btc i uspešno povukao 0.1btc 7. maja. Zatim sam iskoristio svoj preostali balans da nastavim da igram, pritiskajući gore veličine mojih opklada, i pokrenuo sam je do 0,74 btc i zatražio drugo povlačenje 9. maja. Reagovali su na zahtev za povlačenje tako što su zatvorili moj nalog bez ikakvog obaveštenja ili objašnjenja. U nekom trenutku u maju su mi nulili saldo i ponovo omogućili moj nalog, a juče sam uspeo da uspešno povučem 0,001btc bonus na listi lidera. Nisam optužen ni za kakvo kršenje TOS-a. Evo teme e-pošte, u kojoj se čini da izmišljaju lažni razlog za „tehničku grešku“ da me zavaraju i ukradu moj novac.

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    Od Angele 9. maja:
    Zdravo!
    Želim da podignem ceo saldo od 0,74 BTC koji sam juče osvojio na blekdžeku na bc1ki3aj0u3fl7zr99l3kau5sgnikuzv5vzjiumpz4 u mesečnim ratama. Imam problema sa prijavljivanjem na svoj nalog jutros: piše „korisnik je blokiran“. Nadam se da ne mislite da sam uradio nešto loše!


    Od podrške 9. maja:

    Draga Angela,

    Hvala na email.

    Obaveštavamo vas da je nalog zatvoren jer je pod istragom. Molimo sačekajte ažuriranja putem e-pošte

    U slučaju pitanja, slobodno nas kontaktirajte u bilo koje vreme!

    Radovaćemo se da čujemo od vas.

    Želim ti lep dan.

    Srdačan pozdrav,

    Tilda / Agent za podršku


    Od Angele 27. maja:
    Vidim da je moj nalog ponovo otvoren, ali me niko nikada nije obavestio e-poštom
    a moje stanje nedostaje na računu. I dalje bi trebalo da imam 0.74btc
    tamo, ali istorija transakcija kaže da je „povlačenje sistema“ uklonjeno
    neki iznosi koji nemaju nikakvog smisla (3.2btc koje nikada nisam imao).

    Od podrške 28. maja:

    Zdravo,

    Obraćamo vam se da vas obavestimo da je na našoj platformi otkriven neki problem i da su neki dobici pogrešno pripisani na vaš nalog.

    Iz navedenog razloga, nepravedni dobici su odbijeni sa vašeg stanja i možete slobodno da koristite ostatak iznosa.

    Srdačan pozdrav!

    Ejmi / agent za podršku

    Od Angele 28. maja:
    Koliko sam mogao da vidim, nije bilo problema sa platformom. ja samo
    osvojio mnogo igrajući blek džek i onda mi je ravnoteža nula za br
    razlog

    Od podrške 29. maja:

    Draga Angela,

    Hvala na email!

    Obaveštavamo vas da je, pošto smo još jednom proverili sa relevantnim timom, na sajtu otkriven tehnički problem i da se greškom pripisan dobitni iznos oduzima sa vašeg stanja.

    Imajte na umu da je stvar sada rešena i rezultat je konačan.

    Ako imate dodatnih pitanja, kontaktirajte nas bilo kada.

    Želim ti lep dan!

    Srdačan pozdrav,

    Linkoln / Agent za podršku
    -------------------------Kraj teme e-pošte ------------------- --------------------

    Evo snimka ekrana istorije transakcija na mom nalogu:

    Mislim da su oduzeli ceo bruto dobitak svih mojih sesija blekdžek-a 9. maja umesto neto pobede ili šta god da je greška bila ako je ikada bilo prave greške (neće dati nikakav dokaz o grešci koja je uticala na moj balans). Ne postoji dnevnik istorije opklada ili dnevnik sesije koje mogu da vidim da bih proverio i nisu dali nikakve konkretne informacije o tome šta je bio „problem“. Čini se kao da izmišljate slabe izgovore da biste izbegli isplatu pobednika, što je najstariji trik u knjizi za sumnjiva onlajn kazina. Dok sam igrao nisam video nikakve anomalne promene u svom balansu. Osvojio sam fer i pošteno igrajući live diler blackjack sa velikim opkladama. (btv, izgleda da je Jackbit sada prestao da nudi tog određenog prodavca dilera uživo, kome sam zaboravio ime, ali to nije bila evolucija, a igre su u osnovi bile iste kao i bilo koja druga ponuda blekdžek dilera uživo)

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hello Angela Holmon,

    Thank you for providing your username, we're going to get in touch with the casino representative and ask for further information. 

    Zdravo Angela Holmon ,

    Hvala vam što ste dali svoje korisničko ime, mi ćemo stupiti u kontakt sa predstavnikom kazina i zatražiti dodatne informacije.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hello Angela Holmon,

    We heard back from the casino rep, please see their explanation below:

    "The user - Angelaholmon, was playing on one of our Live Casino providers, PlayTech, which experienced a major technical issue from the evening of 07/05/24 to 08/05/24. According to the transaction logs, the user began playing Soirée Elite VIP Blackjack, and after switching to another game, Grand Blackjack, the system started crediting an unusual amount of continuous winnings from the first game to the user's balance.

    The winnings credited due to this major bug equaled the amount the user reported as having been deducted from her balance after re-accessing their account. Due to this unexpected issue, the user's account was immediately blocked without any prior notice. Despite the account being frozen, the provider continued to automatically add winnings without any bets being placed, therefore, before we could address the provider's issue, we temporarily suspended the user's account.

    Before re-enabling the account for user access, the entire amount was deducted from her balance.

    After this incident, the PlayTech provider has been disabled in our Casino until the issue is fully resolved.

    Also, please consider that, the user couldn’t possibly detect the issue while playing, since the whole thing was happening in the background. In such cases, the server logs and records have a priority in determining the outcome of any round. In case of a difference in the server logs and the information displayed on the user’s screen, the result logged on the game server will prevail."

    Additionally, we found in their T&Cs:
     

    “In the event of any dispute, you agree that the server logs and records shall act as the final authority in determining the outcome of any claim. You agree that in the unlikely event of a disagreement between the result on your screen and the game server, the result logged on the game server will prevail. You acknowledge and agree that our records will be the final authority in determining the terms and circumstances of your participation in the relevant online gaming activity and the results of this participation.”

    Zdravo Angela Holmon ,

    Čuli smo odgovor predstavnika kazina, pogledajte njihovo objašnjenje u nastavku:

    „Korisnik – Angelaholmon, je igrao na jednom od naših provajdera kazina uživo, PlaiTech, koji je doživeo veliki tehnički problem od večeri 5.7.24. do 08.05.24. Prema evidenciji transakcija, korisnik je počeo da igra Soiree Elite VIP Blackjack, a nakon prelaska na drugu igru, Grand Blackjack, sistem je počeo da pripisuje neuobičajenu količinu kontinuiranih dobitaka od prve igre na bilans korisnika.

    Dobici pripisani zbog ove velike greške bili su jednaki iznosu koji je korisnik prijavio da je odbijen sa njenog stanja nakon ponovnog pristupa njihovom nalogu. Zbog ovog neočekivanog problema, korisnički nalog je odmah blokiran bez prethodnog obaveštenja. Uprkos tome što je nalog bio zamrznut, provajder je nastavio da automatski dodaje dobitke bez ikakvih opklada, stoga smo, pre nego što smo mogli da rešimo problem provajdera, privremeno suspendovali nalog korisnika.

    Pre ponovnog omogućavanja korisničkog pristupa nalogu, ceo iznos je odbijen sa njenog stanja.

    Nakon ovog incidenta, PlaiTech provajder je onemogućen u našem kazinu dok se problem u potpunosti ne reši.

    Takođe, imajte na umu da korisnik nije mogao da otkrije problem tokom igranja, pošto se cela stvar dešavala u pozadini. U takvim slučajevima, evidencija i zapisi servera imaju prioritet u određivanju ishoda bilo koje runde. U slučaju razlike u evidenciji servera i informacijama prikazanim na ekranu korisnika, rezultat evidentiran na serveru igre će preovladati."

    Pored toga, pronašli smo u njihovim Uputstvima i uslovima:

    „U slučaju bilo kakvog spora, saglasni ste da će evidencija i zapisi servera delovati kao konačni autoritet u određivanju ishoda bilo koje tužbe. Saglasni ste da će u malo verovatnom slučaju neslaganja između rezultata na vašem ekranu i servera igre, prevagnuti rezultat evidentiran na serveru igre. Potvrđujete i slažete se da će naša evidencija biti konačan autoritet u određivanju uslova i okolnosti vašeg učešća u relevantnim aktivnostima onlajn igara i rezultata ovog učešća.”

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    If there was an error increasing my balance, which I never saw evidence of even when refreshing the page to check my balance, they should just deduct the error amount and not everything I won from my regular blackjack play, which was a considerable amount because I had a few good shoes betting like 2x3000 a hand.  It would help if they could provide us log of the hands played and mark which ones are an error.

    Ako je došlo do greške u povećanju mog bilansa, o čemu nikada nisam video dokaze čak ni kada sam osvežio stranicu da proverim stanje, trebalo bi samo da odbiju iznos greške, a ne sve što sam osvojio od moje redovne igre blek džek, što je bio značajan iznos jer sam imao nekoliko dobrih cipela kladeći se kao 2k3000 ruka. Bilo bi od pomoći kada bi nam dali dnevnik odigranih ruku i označili koje su greške.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hello Angela Holmon,

    We'll reach out to them again and refer them to your latest post. Keep you updated on this thread. 

    Zdravo Angela Holmon ,

    Ponovo ćemo ih kontaktirati i uputiti ih na vaš najnoviji post. Obaveštavajte vas o ovoj temi.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hello Angela Holmon,

    We haven't received the response from the casino rep thus far so we sent a reminder now. As soon as they respond we'll notify you on this thread.

    Zdravo Angela Holmon ,

    Do sada nismo dobili odgovor od predstavnika kazina, pa smo sada poslali podsetnik. Čim odgovore, obavestićemo vas o ovoj temi.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hello Angela Holmon,

    The casino rep got back to us and confirmed that they received the official proof from the provider about the technical issue that happened, they invite you to contact their support for any additional questions.

    Unfortunately, there is nothing further we can do to help you as their decision is final. We must close your complaint. 

    Zdravo Angela Holmon ,

    Predstavnik kazina nam se javio i potvrdio da su dobili zvaničan dokaz od provajdera o tehničkom problemu koji se desio, pozivaju vas da kontaktirate njihovu podršku za sva dodatna pitanja.

    Nažalost, ne možemo više ništa da učinimo da vam pomognemo jer je njihova odluka konačna. Moramo zatvoriti vašu žalbu.

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