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So another one bites the dust
Mr Green fined 3M for failing social responsibility and AML.
I thought Casumo asking for SOW dated back 3 years was worse, but Mr Green accepting SOF from 10 years ago is beyond me.
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news-action-and-statistics/news/2020/Mr-Green-to-pay-3m-for-regulatory-failures.aspx
Pa još jedan grize prašinu
G. Grin je kaznio 3M zbog propusta u društvenoj odgovornosti i sprečavanju pranja novca.
Mislio sam da je to što je Casumo tražio SOV od pre 3 godine gore, ali Mr Green prihvata SOF od pre 10 godina je izvan mene.
http://vvv.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/nevs-action-and-statistics/nevs/2020/Mr-Green-to-pai-3m-for-regulatori-failures.aspk
From the article:
[Mr Green]
...did not carry out social responsibility interaction with a customer who won £50,000, gambled it away and deposited thousands more pounds
...took ten-year-old evidence of a £176,000 claims payout as satisfactory evidence of source of funds (SOF) for a customer who deposited over £1m
...accepted a photograph of a laptop screen showing currency in dollars on an alleged crypto trading account as adequate SOF.
Ouch, that's bad. Mr Green has been one of my favorite casinos, never had any issue with them.
If I understood correctly, they didn't get the license revoked, so hopefully they'll patch up the cracks and keep up with the good practice guidelines.
Iz članka:
[gospodin Grin]
... nije izvršio interakciju društvene odgovornosti sa klijentom koji je osvojio 50.000 funti, prokockao ga i deponovao još hiljade funti
...uzeo desetogodišnji dokaz o isplati potraživanja od 176.000 funti kao zadovoljavajući dokaz izvora sredstava (SOF) za klijenta koji je položio preko 1 milion funti
... prihvatio fotografiju ekrana laptopa na kojoj je prikazana valuta u dolarima na navodnom kripto trgovačkom računu kao adekvatan SOF.
Au, to je loše. Mr Green je bio jedan od mojih omiljenih kazina, nikada nije imao problema sa njima.
Ako sam dobro razumeo, nisu im oduzeli licencu, pa se nadamo da će zakrpiti pukotine i držati korak sa smernicama dobre prakse.
From the article:
[Mr Green]
...did not carry out social responsibility interaction with a customer who won £50,000, gambled it away and deposited thousands more pounds
...took ten-year-old evidence of a £176,000 claims payout as satisfactory evidence of source of funds (SOF) for a customer who deposited over £1m
...accepted a photograph of a laptop screen showing currency in dollars on an alleged crypto trading account as adequate SOF.
Ouch, that's bad. Mr Green has been one of my favorite casinos, never had any issue with them.
If I understood correctly, they didn't get the license revoked, so hopefully they'll patch up the cracks and keep up with the good practice guidelines.
Yeah license is in tact tho, however they just been fined, as we seen many like casumo, videoslots, 32 red in the past year.
Also saw stakers casino license is suspended in the interm.
UKGC not playing these days and we can just assume the market for UK online gambling is not the same anymore as it was 12/24 months ago.
Iz članka:
[gospodin Grin]
... nije izvršio interakciju društvene odgovornosti sa klijentom koji je osvojio 50.000 funti, prokockao ga i deponovao još hiljade funti
...uzeo desetogodišnji dokaz o isplati potraživanja od 176.000 funti kao zadovoljavajući dokaz izvora sredstava (SOF) za klijenta koji je položio preko 1 milion funti
... prihvatio fotografiju ekrana laptopa na kojoj je prikazana valuta u dolarima na navodnom kripto trgovačkom računu kao adekvatan SOF.
Au, to je loše. Mr Green je bio jedan od mojih omiljenih kazina, nikada nije imao problema sa njima.
Ako sam dobro razumeo, nisu im oduzeli licencu, pa se nadamo da će zakrpiti pukotine i držati korak sa smernicama dobre prakse.
Da, licenca je u taktu, međutim, oni su upravo kažnjeni, jer smo videli mnoge kao što su casumo, video slotovi, 32 crvene u prošloj godini.
Takođe, u međuvremenu je suspendovana licenca za kazino sa stekerima.
UKGC ne igra ovih dana i možemo samo pretpostaviti da tržište za onlajn kockanje u UK više nije isto kao što je bilo pre 12/24 meseca.
Definitely, the market is not the same. While on the one hand, some changes they've made are beneficial and necessary, some others - like trying to ban VIP schemes - are absolutely ridiculous and make it seem as if they're trying to eliminate online gambling entirely.
Definitivno tržište nije isto. Dok su s jedne strane neke promene koje su napravili korisne i neophodne, neke druge – poput pokušaja zabrane VIP šema – su apsolutno smešne i čine da izgleda kao da pokušavaju da u potpunosti eliminišu onlajn kockanje.
Definitely, the market is not the same. While on the one hand, some changes they've made are beneficial and necessary, some others - like trying to ban VIP schemes - are absolutely ridiculous and make it seem as if they're trying to eliminate online gambling entirely.
CC ban - Im for it (Cant gamble money you do not own), but does this make it different than paying for a holiday accross the ocean with money you do not have by using your CC?
Bonus Buys - Removal of this feature pissed lot of people off
Bet Limit - $2 a stake (reasonable, IMHO most problem gamblers are from the UK) according to me and what I have heard...
Definitivno tržište nije isto. Dok su s jedne strane neke promene koje su napravili korisne i neophodne, neke druge – poput pokušaja zabrane VIP šema – su apsolutno smešne i čine da se čini kao da pokušavaju da u potpunosti eliminišu onlajn kockanje.
CC zabrana – Ja sam za to (Ne mogu da kockam novac koji ne poseduješ), ali da li to čini drugačijim od plaćanja za odmor preko okeana novcem koji nemaš korišćenjem svog CC-a?
Kupovina bonusa - Uklanjanje ove funkcije je razbesnelo mnoge ljude
Ograničenje klađenja - 2 dolara po ulozi (razumno, IMHO većina problematičnih kockara je iz UK) prema meni i onome što sam čuo...
A worrying one - customer won, customer Lost the 50k winnings. Let’s be honest, when we win the casino gets it back, might not be in a day, or a week, or a month but return it we do... is the difference here the speed? Here I think RG should have kicked in from Mr Green , considering the customer deposited thousands more pounds and lost it all.
I hit 50K, I will not see an online casinos for a few months .
Zabrinjavajuća stvar - kupac je pobedio, kupac izgubio 50 hiljada dobitaka. Budimo iskreni, kada pobedimo, kazino dobija to nazad, možda ne za jedan dan, ili nedelju, ili mesec, ali vratimo mi... da li je razlika ovde u brzini? Ovde mislim da je RG trebalo da krene od gospodina Grina, s obzirom da je klijent deponovao još hiljade funti i izgubio sve.
Došao sam do 50 hiljada, neću videti onlajn kazina nekoliko meseci.
The same thing has happened to other brands as well. Take LeoVegas for example - the company was fined by the Dutch KSA with €3.5 million in December 2019 for targeting players through a loophole and iDEAL, local payment service.
Read more here:
Ista stvar se desila i drugim brendovima. Uzmimo na primer LeoVegas – kompaniju je u decembru 2019. kaznila holandska KSA sa 3,5 miliona evra zbog ciljanja igrača kroz rupu u zakonu i iDEAL, lokalne usluge plaćanja.
Pročitajte više ovde:
Holandska uprava za kockanje kaznila je ukupno 3,5 miliona evra u 2019
A punter totally in touch with reality: *wins £50,000, gambles it away and deposits thousands more pounds*
MG's keen management: "Yeah, he'll be alright."
Igrač koji je u potpunosti u kontaktu sa stvarnošću: *osvoji 50.000 funti, prokocka ih i položi hiljade dodatnih funti*
MG-ovo oduševljeno rukovodstvo: "Da, biće on dobro."
So, them claiming that “number one priority at Mr Green is that we offer responsible gaming to our clients.” is nothing but a foolish joke.
On top of that, they have Green Gaming Tool, which “has been designed by a team of industry experts in order to help you assess your gambling behaviour and therefore determine whether your gambling habits are healthy or whether you may be at risk.”
What happens with these?!
I mean, this player obviously has his problems, but Mr Green should have followed its own principles, and avoid degrading the name of the brand like this.
Dakle, oni tvrde da je „prioritet broj jedan u Mr Greenu da našim klijentima nudimo odgovorno igranje igara“. nije ništa drugo do budalasta šala.
Povrh toga, imaju Green Gaming Tool, koji je „dizajnirao tim stručnjaka iz industrije kako bi vam pomogao da procenite svoje kockarsko ponašanje i stoga utvrdite da li su vaše kockarske navike zdrave ili da li ste možda u opasnosti“.
Šta se dešava sa ovima?!
Mislim, ovaj igrač očigledno ima svoje probleme, ali gospodin Grin je trebalo da sledi svoje principe i da izbegne da ovako degradira ime brenda.
I cannot play at Mr Green as I am restricted, but as far as I know they are a decent outfit. Withdrawals take 1 minute to be processed, game selection is good etc.
Just really bugs me that casinos are fined for something thats preventable and at the same time they lose a ton of money and slight bad rep at the time.
Common I am sure they have specialist in security and risk managment or was the systems inadequate for them to pick up what they were being accused for?
another thing as well - Things are being called SOW when they’re SOF; there’s a difference not just in name but in practicability
Ne mogu da igram u Mr Greenu jer sam ograničen, ali koliko znam oni su pristojna ekipa. Obrada povlačenja traje 1 minut, izbor igre je dobar itd.
Stvarno me smeta što su kazina kažnjena za nešto što se može sprečiti, a u isto vreme gube tonu novca i malo lošu reputaciju u tom trenutku.
Uobičajeno Siguran sam da imaju specijaliste za bezbednost i upravljanje rizikom ili su im sistemi bili neadekvatni da pokupe ono za šta su optuženi?
još jedna stvar - stvari se zovu SOV kada su SOF; postoji razlika ne samo u imenu, već iu praktičnosti
Hmm, Mr Green has always been a reputable brand, hopefully their UK licence won't be revoked. However when it comes to SOF and SOW, conducting these assessments requires specialist skills as this is a multi-faceted process. I'm wondering if online casinos have such specialists to deal with it...We're probably going to see more online casinos being fined for the same regulatory failures in the future.
As per AML-CFT; SOW (Source of Wealth) refers to the origin of the customer’s entire body of wealth while (for example; ownership of a business employment inheritance, investments) while SOF (Source of Funds) refers to the origin of the particular funds or any other monetary instrument which are the subject of the transaction between a Financial Institution and the customer. Another definition of SOF is the origin and means of transfer of monies that are accepted for the account. (for example; funds are from a saving account owned by parents, funds are from certain bank account owned by a company...)
Hmm, Mr Green je oduvek bio renomiran brend, nadamo se da im licenca za UK neće biti oduzeta. Međutim, kada su u pitanju SOF i SOV, sprovođenje ovih procena zahteva specijalističke veštine jer je ovo višestruki proces. Pitam se da li onlajn kazina imaju takve stručnjake da se bave time...Verovatno ćemo videti još onlajn kazina koji će biti kažnjeni zbog istih regulatornih propusta u budućnosti.
Prema BPPN-BPFT; SOV (Izvor bogatstva) se odnosi na poreklo celokupnog bogatstva klijenta, dok (na primer, vlasništvo nad nasledstvom posla, investicije) dok se SOF (Izvor sredstava) odnosi na poreklo određenih sredstava ili bilo koje druge novčane instrument koji je predmet transakcije između finansijske institucije i klijenta. Druga definicija SOF-a je poreklo i način prenosa novca koji se prihvata na račun. (na primer; sredstva su sa štednog računa u vlasništvu roditelja, sredstva su sa određenog bankovnog računa u vlasništvu kompanije...)
SOF is typically in relation to the course for that transaction. Deposits into casino from same account, or even one time. You're looking at that specific account that's been used to fund the casino deposit.
SOW is in relation to the entire asset base of your money - yes, i have the bank account above but i also have a house/inheritance etc.
In practice they're actually used together.
SOW would fit more in with RG in many ways - because your asking to see how much money the person has, not just the bank account like in SOF. But it's under the AML as well - mainly cos of the ability to layer money.
AML guidance requires you to establish both - which is fair: one for the transactions and the SOW for how that fits in with their overall wealth.
The burden for each is different as well - SOF is far easier to establish - SOW's more tangled.
Reason why things like this have individuals with specific skillsets. But we're supposed to believe casino's have this ? Yeah, right - they can't even keep a hold of some of their affiliates and marketing databases
SOF je tipično u odnosu na kurs za tu transakciju. Depoziti u kazino sa istog računa, ili čak jednom. Gledate na taj konkretan račun koji je korišćen za finansiranje kazino depozita.
SOV je u odnosu na celokupnu bazu imovine vašeg novca - da, imam bankovni račun iznad, ali takođe imam kuću/nasledstvo itd.
U praksi se zapravo koriste zajedno.
SOV bi se više uklapao u RG na mnogo načina - zato što tražite da vidite koliko novca osoba ima, a ne samo bankovni račun kao u SOF-u. Ali to je takođe pod AML – uglavnom zbog mogućnosti da se novac slojeva.
Smernice za AML zahtevaju od vas da uspostavite oba – što je pošteno: jedno za transakcije i SOV za to kako se to uklapa u njihovo ukupno bogatstvo.
Opterećenje za svaku je takođe različito - SOF je daleko lakše ustanoviti - SOV je više zapetljan.
Razlog zašto ovakve stvari imaju osobe sa određenim veštinama. Ali mi treba da verujemo da kazina imaju ovo? Da, tačno - ne mogu čak ni da drže neke od svojih filijala i marketinških baza podataka
Thanks for explaining the difference between SOF/SOW.. I personally had no clue as to what meant what.
Hvala što ste objasnili razliku između SOF/SOV.. Ja lično nisam imao pojma šta to znači.
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