Dual Band Ham Radio Configuration
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The following site provides three tables listing the following information:
- Ham Radio Maritime Mobile Nets
- Ham Radio HF Emergency Net Frequencies (USB or LSB as appropriate)
- Marine Radio HF Maritime Mobile Nets (all USB)
- Repeater Operating Practices
- Two Way Radio Overview Link
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Here is great information on constructing a small RF local area network using GMRS Radio Repeater and Portable Radios.
When it comes to range of GMRS radios there are some pretty outrageous claims out there. Some manufacturers are actually claiming up to a 36 mile range. While this is technically possible it is not likely the range you will experience in the real world. Only by using a repeater can you get extra long range from GMRS two way radios.
GMRS stands for General Mobile Radio Service and refers to a group of frequencies in the 462 to 467 Megahertz range of the UHF end of the radio spectrum. Seven of the GMRS channels are shared with the non licensed FRS or Family Radio Service. GMRS radios require a license to operate but this is frequently ignored by users. Channels 15-22 require that you purchase an $80.00 FCC license to use. No license is required to use GMRS in Canada. GMRS is for personal, non business use. You can apply for a license at www.fcc.gov/uls.
There are 8 GMRS only channels for simplex use and 7 channels that are shared with FRS. There are additional channels reserved for use with repeaters, which give GMRS radios long range. The repeater channels are found only on more expensive radios, not those sold in discount stores.
Most 2-Way radios sold to consumers are the so called hybrid models which include 7 FRS only channels, 7 shared FRS-GMRS channels and 8 GMRS only channels. Only on the 8 GMRS channels radios are you allowed a transmit power of up to fifty watts by law. However, most handheld GMRS radios typically use 5 watts or less due to battery size. This limits the practical range of most consumer models to around 5 miles or less due to terrain and obstacles.
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COTHEN is an HF ALE network that uses landlines to connect nineteen transmission sites spanning the nation in order to form one unified coverage area. Currently, the network has 19 sites, 89 remote communications consoles (RCC’s), and a TSC in Orlando, FL.
Back in 1984, the design for a U.S. Customs radio network was conceived. Code-named COTHEN, Customs Over The Horizon Enforcement Network, it combines a radio, computer, and a tactical voice privacy unit into a state-of-the-art communications system that meets the demanding requirements of tactical interdiction aircraft and boats in their fight against smuggling activities.
COTHEN’s first fixed station transmitter near Memphis, Tenn., became operational in 1985. The Blue Lightning Operations Center was the first command office and its marine vessels were the first tactical platforms to have COTHEN radios. This initial deployment proved so successful that COTHEN grew to include all U.S.Customs aircraft.
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The Motorola DTR600 Digital Two-Way Radio is a limited-keypad, professional, 30-channel two-way radio for seamless and efficient on-site business communications. It enables the user to have interference-free and private communications with loud, crisp-clear audio over an area as wide as 350,000 sq ft, up to 30 floors. The portable two-way radio offers enhanced and flexible communication options like Digital One-to-One Calling and Digital One-to-Many Calling along with private reply, Call All Available, Page All Available, Direct Call and mute.
DTR600 has a full-graphic, backlit display with an intuitive navigation menu, and a prominant functional keypad to help locate all the radio features. Built-in anti-microbial housing properties prevent the growth of mold and germs, hence helping to keep the device stain and odor-resistant. The two-way radio comes in a slim, compact and rugged design that meets U.S Military 810G standards to withstand extreme shock, vibration, water, dust and temperature conditions.
For those of you that cannot justify an expensive radio, the radio above is a great choice for local communications around your home and access to our TRI-STATE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS Network if you’re within 1-2 miles of one of our HUB Radios. If you purchase a HUB Radio, (Kenwood TM-V71 above) for approx. $380.00, then you will have access into our Network with the HUB radio. Link for Kenwood TM-V71A at Ham Radio Outlet httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVs97kb4mx4 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LIMARC the Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club, Inc., is a not-for-profit corporation, formed to encourage and foster mutual interest in amateur radio communications and provide public service. LIMARC provides such communication when required as a result of normal communication means being disrupted by natural or man made causes. LIMARC operates several radio repeater stations to enhance the quality of communication available. The LIMARC repeaters are licensed by the Federal Communications Commission and the users of said repeaters MUST comply with ALL FCC mandated rules and regulations. IN ADDITION, beyond the minimum required by law, LIMARC has established operating procedures to optimize the use of the repeaters and to define a level of quality representative of the club. While not all-inclusive, the following procedures establish a baseline for all repeater users to follow. Members who violate the above will be warned after the first offense. If the behavior recurs, steps will be taken, up to and including revoking the person’s membership, as provided for in the LIMARC By-Laws. Proper and legal operating etiquette is 95% common sense. While the above limits on content are not all inclusive, they should make clear the type of communication which is NOT appropriate. In general, if what is being said could be construed as embarrassing or hurtful by a listener, it is probably NOT permitted. Always err on the side of caution. When in doubt… DON’T. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A repeater will extend the distance you can talk with the same amount of power. A repeater can do this because it usually has a higher antenna and more RF power output. Simplex is simply from your radio/antenna to another radio/antenna directly. When talking on a repeater you can check the input frequency for the repeater to hear (if you can) the station you are talking with on the repeater. You may not be able to hear the other station if he is too distant, and/or running low power, and/or has a low antenna. More on the input frequency in the next section. It is a good idea as you operate on a repeater to learn where you start to have a hard time being heard by others. Sometimes this may be called “reaching the end of your string” or other lingo. The repeater shift on 2M is 600 kHz. The repeater shift on 440 MHz (70 CM) is 5 MHz. On 2M, depending where you are in the 2M sub-bands for repeaters (there are 3 repeater sub-bands), the offset will be 600 kHz lower or higher that the repeater output frequency. PROVIDE DRAWING OF REPEATER SUB-BANDS. That means that if you hear a repeater on for example 147.200, the input frequency (or offset, or repeater shift frequency) will be on 147.800. (In this particular example, the repeater shift is a positive offset.) Your radio should be set up in this case for a positive offset being that your transmit is higher than the repeater frequency. In this example, your radio transmits on 147.800 to the repeater (as does everyone else with their radios), which is listening on this frequency, it simultaneously retransmits your signal out on 147.200 to someone who is listening there. (If you get down to the nitty-gritty technical side, there is a small latency of time for the signal to pass thru the various stages of the electronics. If you were to quickly check a station on the input and output of the repeater, or simultaneously, you could notice a small delay.) They would do the same as your radio to reply to you…that is, they would transmit on 147.800 to the repeater. If the 2M frequency for the repeater is between 145.200 MHz and 145.500 MHz, or ###.### and ###.### MHz, you would use a negative offset. If the 2M frequency for the repeater is between 146.610 and 147.395, you would use a positive offset. (Some hams may ask you to check their signal on the “reverse”, this is the same as the input frequency.) If you are able to hear a station on the input, you are within simplex range, and do not need a repeater. Many current 2M radios have a menu option that will automatically determine the appropriate offset when you program a repeater frequency into a memory channel. Depending on various other factors, these being: possible expected usage of the repeater by mobiles during commute time, a scheduled net time approaching, or that particular repeater’s etiquette, amongst other reasons, you might want to think about moving your conversation to another simplex frequency so as not to monopolize the repeater. This might be the case if you are talking from your home to another ham in his home. It’s not always wrong, or by any means illegal, it might be thoughtful. There may be times that you feel contrary to this if you wish to speak with anyone else, including a mobile station who might need the repeater to communicate with you if he is outside of repeater range. Just keep it in the back of your head. Many current production V/UHF radios have a function that will allow you to scan for PL tones. If you were in an area that you did not know the PL tone to access a repeater, you might possibly be able to find the proper tone. You would do this by scanning for a tone IF you were able to hear a station on the INPUT frequency of the repeater. If you were to scan and find a tone on the output of the repeater it may be different than the tone of the input to allow you access to the repeater. Remember some repeaters output a tone to help users with other functions such as cross-banding. So, if you wish to find the PL tone to enable you access to the repeater, and it is being used, check the input to see if you can hear one or more stations. (You may not be able to hear any of the stations on the input.) Then once you can hear a station on the input, start your tone scan. The way many of my Icom radios do this, is to press [FUNC], then [T-SCAN] on the microphone control. There will be a signal showing on the S-meter, but no audio, until it finds the proper tone. The PL tones will scan (somewhat slowly) while there is a signal present, then stop once it finds the tone, and at that time you will hear audio. You now know what PL tone to use for accessing the repeater. There are other ways to determine the PL tones for repeaters. One common way is to purchase the Repeater Directory from ARRL. The ARRL also has software that you can map a route and it will tell you in order of your trip which repeaters, and all the necessary info, that you might be able to access along the way. There are also online sources such as the website: http://www.artscipub.com There are also individual states’ repeater coordination councils that may also provide listings of coordinated repeaters. Here in Michigan we have the Michigan Area Repeater Coordination Council, their website can be found @: http://www.miarc.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I stumbled across your information while doing some research on building a communications plan and platform for a Family Emergency Plan. Even though I have a strong background in emergency services I readily admit a weakness when it comes to knowledge of Ham and public radio access.
I have been thinking of going the 2 meter route and getting FCC licensing but your article intrigues me about the FRS and GMRS capabilities with the use of a repeater.
I do think we, and I even think our friends in professional emergency service agencies, are placing too much reliance on repeaters. These systems require that they be powered and yes most have back up generators I doubt that they will all function when needed. Reduced budgets and the lowest bidder syndrome means that service and testing isn’t being done. I think the repeaters will fail to some extent and radio nets will not work as they are designed.
What do you think is a good simplex system for a small group of people to use who won’t venture more that 12 miles away? I am leaning towards the 2 meter band but would love some input. I am planning on purchasing a few base radios, a few mobile radios, and a few handhelds so the investment is huge and I want to have the best system possible.
I am thinking of making a “suitcase” repeater that can be taken to a site that has power and enough height to install an antenna so we can have that capability if we chose a radio system that can do repeater and simplex.
What are your thoughts?
Purchase a Kenwood TM-V71 for approx. $400.00, then you will have access into a network with FRS/GMRS radios. Purchase the software and cables necessary to program the handhelds now. I encourage everyone to get their technicians license.
Link for Kenwood TM-V71A at Ham Radio Outlet
http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-008951
This unit can also act as a crossband repeater. 12V battery with a solar trickle charger for power.
Look into HF radios, 2-12 ish MHz, low wattage, with a NVIS antenna. Does not require Line of Sight (LOS) that all VHS and UHF handheld radios require. Hard to DF (direction find) by adversaries. Does not require you to be on the high ground. Plenty of YouTube videos to get smart on it if this is a capability that interests you.
In addition to the Amateur and FRS/GMRS allocations, there are numerous shared simplex frequencies available in the VHF/UHF spectrum which anyone can use “on an itinerant basis”. These are typically referred to by names such as Red/Blue/Green Dot (VHF), and various colored “Star” (UHF) channels. If you purchase a dual-band (VHF/UHF) radio which is programmable in the ranges of 145-155Mhz and 440-470Mhz, then you can program all of the above -- Amateur, FRS/GMRS, and the Itinerant Use channels. Good portable (hand-held) radios for this purpose are made by a number of manufacturers. Woxoun is one that I have had good experience with.
http://www.powerwerx.com/wouxun-radios/kg-uv3d-dual-band.html
For ~$125 a piece shipped, you will have a very versatile radio that is easy to keep with you, and a lot of frequency agility to avoid congestion on the standard FRS/GMRS channels.
You must also buy a programming cable, and download some software from Woxoun to “crack” these radios, otherwise they will only accept programed channels within the Amateur Radio bands. Once you have created a “config” with the TX and RX frequencies, power levels, squelch settings, etc. you can download it to each radio -- the download takes about 45 seconds per radio for a 24 channel package, or about 2 minutes for a full 128 channels. I have now purchased 6 of these radios, plus speaker-mic’s, spare batteries, and definitely buy the upgraded battery chargers (these take 12VDC input, so are ideal for charging the radios from a car’s electrical system, from a solar panel array, or other emergency power…a must for preppers)
As an aside, if the public service (Police/Fire/Ambulance) in your area is on VHF or UHF, then you can program in “listen only” channels, and so the radio also serves as a simple scanner. This won’t work, however, if your public services are on 800Mhz, or in the new 700Mhz band.
Warmest regards,
LT
Great info, thank you!!
If purchased a FT-8900R Quad Band radio and equipment to make it a mobile unit. I’m looking for help on setting it up. I plan to make it AC/DC operational with DC Solar battery Charging. Looking for ideas on cases for transport, prefer metal (for EMP protection).
I would get a MFJ G5RV all band ant. and harbor freight has a small solar panal, 5 watts to maintain charge for about $20.00. That is a great rig and with a VHF and UHF dual band ant you are covered. On the internal Batts. 1 to 20 watts and a 100 watts on a 12 volt surely can’t do any better as it has it all in one small package. 73 Jim
I have been a Ham a long time and there is some very inexpensive handheld rigs out there. One that is a very good buy to look into is the UV-X4 which sold at a number of outlets. It’s a VHF/UHF 2 watt rig with offsets and tone for repeaters ect. Also works for weather receiver. As simplex 2 watts gives it good range. I access repeaters 30 miles away. At $ 65.00 shipped to your door can’t go wrong. Low power rigs for HF like the Ten Tec Scout are a good choise. Yaesus 817 and 887 are also good way to go. Alinco new HF rig theDX-SR8T A 10 to 100 watt rig all mode AM SSB CW and FM a plug and play rig for $530.00. I run on base and is a really great rig and about the price of a 30 year rig. A hot receive and mine was to be used as a bck-up rig but works so well it became my main rig. If I can help anyone with there with problems or any info, just contact me. 73 Jim
LT, I just purchased a Ranger RHF-618 and some Midland handhelds for local comms.
Need someone in western Wake to help me set it up. Please email if you know anyone
I can barter with.
While speaking on a radio requires a FEDERAL license it costs nothing but a radio and time to listen. There is more info on the air than you can get on the net. If you watch the local Craig’s list and newspaper ads you can get a good FULL RANGE Transceiver and good prices without giving up your privacy.
To keep up though it would be nice if you let google connect you to some sites with courses in Morsecode and Ham license courses. There are many that are FREE
hi 1 of your videos is a a islamic channel
this is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw8uaZgKTSk
ciao from Italy
AmRRON has a very simple protocol that spans CB, MURS, and FRS, none of which require any license -- it is the Channel 3 project -- go on channel 3 for any of those (which, in turn, gains you access to HF, VHF, or UHF.) Listen for 2 minutes on each side of the top of the hour, broadcast and listen at those times, then shut down to conserve battery. 3-2-1 is a simple mnemonic: Channel 3, for 2 minutes on each side of every hour.
Another alternative is to go CH9 on CB or CH1 on FRS -- those tend to be monitored by local law enforcement, Red Cross, CERT, EMCOMUS, etc. Not as structured as the CH3 project, but useful in the event of an emergency.
Another aspect of the CH3 project is the use of 146.20 MHz simplex -- at that frequency, up at 6200′ I was able to make contact in an 80 mile radius, simplex, no repeaters, with a cheap Chinese UV-5R Bao Feng and the standard rubber ducky antenna it came with…who knows what I could have achieved with a j-pole antenna.
Even at lower elevations, with the peaks and valleys common to southern Oregon, I used that same configuration and achieved reliable comms in a 7 mile radius.
More info on the CH3 project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnE1OfkGUsM
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Nice to be visiting your blog again,
On COTHEX above, keep in mind it is a government controlled asset.
Subject: Thoughts on Today’s Postings
Dear NCRenegade Team,
I visit your site daily and often share valuable information with others and on various platforms. However, I must admit that today’s postings were particularly alarming. I sincerely hope that our concerns are misplaced, though I do believe the DemoncRATs will stop at nothing to keep their hold on the White House.
While I hope I’m mistaken, I’m not confident that the “sheep” will rise to defend themselves against the “wolf.” I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this matter.
Thank you for your continued work.
Best regards,
Tom Winslow Retired 82 year old IT Professional
I will let Wes respond.
I believe you should know your enemy. These postings today should be enlightening.