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editHi, Please stop your bot from linking to the wrong items, i.e. [1]. There is quite a consensus that Wikipedia articles should be linked to Commons categories. Thanks, Yann (talk) 15:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Yann: There is consensus for exactly the opposite - Commons categories go on the category items where they exist (see User:Mike Peel/Commons linking for a summary of the current situation). If you think otherwise, please demonstrate it, e.g., point to the relevant discussions, or start one on the project chat. Mike Peel (talk) 15:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but no. Categories are the main namespace on Commons, and they should be the pages linked to the WD corresponding item. It is like this since the beginning of the project 20 years ago. It is not for WD to decide what should be linked about Commons pages. Yann (talk) 17:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how it currently works here, and it hasn't since the start of Wikidata as far as I'm aware. It's the approach built into, e.g., the Wikidata Infobox on Commons, and MediaWiki itself with sitelinks. You may want to start a discussion at Wikidata:Project chat if you want to change things. Mike Peel (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have corrected hundreds of such erroneously links, and there never was any issue until now. I don't understand this new stand against the standard of Commons. Yann (talk) 17:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's worrying to hear, hopefully the bot reverted most of those. It's not new, and it's not against Commons. Mike Peel (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- If a particular project decides that one specific page should be linked to a WD item, who are you to go against this decision? WD is here to serve other projects, not to decide how other projects want to be linked. Yann (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- You're not arguing against me, you're arguing against the current consensus. You could ask the community to change that consensus if you want? It's also not just Wikidata, it's how things are set up on Commons - the Wikidata Infobox uses on this setup to get the correct interwiki links. Mike Peel (talk) 17:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- How can you create a false consensus here against Commons users? That's not how Wikimedia projects work. Yann (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a false consensus, and it's not against Commons? Seriously, go to Wikidata:Project chat, I'm out of patience here. Mike Peel (talk) 18:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't even think there is such a consensus. The standard behaviour is that a Commons category is linked to the corresponding WD item. That's the case for at least 90% of Commons categories which have a Wikidata InfoBox. Yann (talk) 18:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- How can you create a false consensus here against Commons users? That's not how Wikimedia projects work. Yann (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- You're not arguing against me, you're arguing against the current consensus. You could ask the community to change that consensus if you want? It's also not just Wikidata, it's how things are set up on Commons - the Wikidata Infobox uses on this setup to get the correct interwiki links. Mike Peel (talk) 17:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- If a particular project decides that one specific page should be linked to a WD item, who are you to go against this decision? WD is here to serve other projects, not to decide how other projects want to be linked. Yann (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's worrying to hear, hopefully the bot reverted most of those. It's not new, and it's not against Commons. Mike Peel (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have corrected hundreds of such erroneously links, and there never was any issue until now. I don't understand this new stand against the standard of Commons. Yann (talk) 17:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's not how it currently works here, and it hasn't since the start of Wikidata as far as I'm aware. It's the approach built into, e.g., the Wikidata Infobox on Commons, and MediaWiki itself with sitelinks. You may want to start a discussion at Wikidata:Project chat if you want to change things. Mike Peel (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but no. Categories are the main namespace on Commons, and they should be the pages linked to the WD corresponding item. It is like this since the beginning of the project 20 years ago. It is not for WD to decide what should be linked about Commons pages. Yann (talk) 17:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree it would be best to link items to categories on commons. But this is certainly not the way it has been done for the last few years. Perhaps if you could discuss this on Commons and get a consensus, then we could look at implementing it on Wikidata. We could not take an action like that without the strong consent of Commons editors though. And then, how would you propose the gallery items would be connected? There would be a lot of details to resolve — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)