47.227.95.73

Thank you for your help fighting vandalism! Bobherry Talk My Edits 15:03, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Your help with anti-vandalism and CSD tagging is much appreciated as well! Cheers, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

 

I wanted to thank you for signing my guest book and for your dedication to anti-vandalism, but sadly I cannot thank anonymous users. So, you get a kitten instead! Thanks for your hard work.

- 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:12, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hey, thanks! Your help is much appreciated as well. I admire your work, even if I don't agree with your positions on anonymous editing. Thanks again, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

You’re welcome! For what it’s worth, I support your ability to edit and want you to continue. Sadly many IPs vandalize, and it’s a lot harder to track if they haven’t created an account. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:19, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Fair enough. Thanks again! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for reverting that edit on my talk page! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hey, it was just one revert! After all, you actually dealt with that vandal :). Cheers, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

I really appreciate it, and that was quick! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Illusion Flame: in fact the reverse is true, as the primary difference between the two scenarios is that if someone doesn't log-in we have an additional public piece of information to use. Indeed this is why you'll sometimes hear it said that unregistered editing is less anonymous than registered editing. There are also some other facets of having an account that make disruption more difficult to track, which is why the more clever and experienced LTAs use accounts almost exclusively. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I mis-clicked on one of your antivandalism edits and left a warning here. I didn't mean to do so. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 23:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Don't worry, it happens to me a lot. We all make mistakes, after all. Cheers, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 00:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Anonymous IP, I'm sure you've been told every compliment in the book at this point. You're a well known vandal fighter and RC patroller, and you're very good at what you do, both that and not making an account. To me, you are what every IP editor should strive to be: helpful, and plenty helpful at that. Please continue to do what you do here; it's good, honest work, and as a fellow RC patroller, I appreciate any help you give to the project.

P.S. If you're ever down to chat with some fellow editors, there's a WP:DISCORD if you're interested. Cheers, and atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! It really means a lot. Your help is much appreciated as well! And yeah, I am aware of Discord, but I was not aware there was a specific thread for Wikipedia users. I may create a Discord account in the future but as of now I don't have access to Discord. Thanks again, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

 

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Yum, cookies! :) 47.227.95.73 (talk) 23:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

This user has been editing Wikipedia for longer than you have… - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 18:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

My honest opinion: don't bother with them, just send them to AIV. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Wasn't really paying too much attention to the edit itself, what little I saw (and could understand), I reasoned to be vandalism. Thanks, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi, re the Village Pump discussion on registering accounts, I'm curious as to what the valid reasons are for not creating an account, and why you think you'd not be here if you had to create an account. SilkTork (talk) 12:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

I am aware that this isn't the same for everyone, but for me, I started editing because I realized how easy it was, as in, you didn't have to create an account. When I first started editing (which was under this IP address if you were to look at my first edits) it was primarily small typo fixes. For me, I probably wouldn't have gone straight to creating an account just to fix typos or make small changes to articles, especially if I were to never use that account again. So, I chose to stay unregistered, and I am sure that there are many people who would not have created an account in the first place if they couldn't edit Wikipedia anonymously, as creating an account could reasonably be seen as too much hassle (as I see it). As for reasons, as I continued editing Wikipedia, I began doing anti-vandal work (which I still do). I have no interest in obtaining Rollback or other anti-vandal features, primarily on competency grounds (I am a minor), and creating an account would just be me being burdened into getting tools I don't want. While I am sure this is a minority view, that is the main reason I chose not to create an account. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 13:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Slight note: I don't think being a minor has anything to do with competency on Wikipedia, even with tools. I've seen plenty of competent editors who've admitted to being below 18 (including myself at times, though I may have a biased view of my own competency), even with tools. It's a matter of your competency, and while I haven't seen you around much, I think your comment about not being competent to gain tools is a sign that you would be competent to hold those tools, ironically.

To be clear, I'm not trying to get you to sign up for tools (keep doing what you're doing; if it ain't broke, don't fix it!); just saying, at least from my view, you'd be plenty competent for them. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

To clarify, I wasn't implying that all minors do not have the competence to edit Wikipedia or use it's tools, I was just implying it to myself. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 11:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

I consider the difference between "if you had to create an account" and "if you had had to create an account." In the beginning, I made a few edits with an IP, because it was so easy. If it weren't, I would never have become engaged, being tired of the world where you can't contract a purchase or receive service without "joining" rather than just engaging in a one-off interaction. I leave 47.227.95.73 to answer the hypothetical of "had to create an account" now; the current arrangement seems to be working to everyone's satisfaction. But I suggest that many editors now contributing with a registered account would never have done so if they had had to create an account to do so. _signed, Willondon (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your response. The anti-vandal tools are a choice that a user makes - you can either have them or not, that's your choice.

Anyway, I'm interested in the viewpoint that creating an article is seen as "too much hassle". And I'm wondering where that impression comes from, and what can be done to let people know just how easy it is to register. SilkTork (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

I was very interested to see this discussion, partly because it relates to my own experience, and I thought you might be interested in my thoughts on the subject.

I too started editing without an account, for much the same reasons as you. I was only making minor corrections when I happened to notice problems while reading Wikipedia, there wasn't any obvious reason to create an account to do that, and I get sick of having to go through hassle to register on websites to do simple one-off things. (In fact on Wikipedia it doesn't take a lot of hassle, but obviously I didn't know that.) The reason that after a while I did create an account is that one day I found I couldn't edit because of an anon-only IP block due to vandalism. I didn't expect ever to do anything except trivial corrections, and I didn't expect to ever do anything with my account except keep it in reserve to use if I was affected by blocks again. In fact, after a while I decided since I had an account I might as well use it, and then I found myself gradually getting further involved in different areas of editing, including eventually becoming an administrator, which of course I couldn't have done without an account. What would have happened if I hadn't had that IP block? I don't know. Maybe I would sooner or later created an account for other reasons, and then had a Wikipedia career much the same as I have had. Maybe I would have just carried on doing minor tasks via IP editing. On the other hand, as Willondon suggests, it's likely that I would never have become involved at all, at any level, if I had had to create an account in order to get started. In any case, unlike many Wikipedia editors, I don't see long-term IP-only editing as strange, unwise, suspicious, or in any way undesirable. Yes, there are several advantages to having an account, and if one day you decide to get one, that will be fine, but it's totally up to you, and if you choose to carry on as now then that's fine too.

Pinging Skarmory & SilkTork, in case you are interested. JBW (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

@JBW: I agree with a lot of this. If I were to find my IP address blocked for whatever reason, I would also probably create an account. On the other hand, if WMF were to disable IP editing, I would likely just leave Wikipedia (per above). I have been made (very!) well aware of the benefits of creating an account, but having said that, a lot of us likely would not be here had that never been an option. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your comment JBW. What concerns me about Wikipedia's method (which, thankfully, is going to change in future) is that neither the ease of registering is made clear to people, nor the risks of revealing your IP address. As far as I'm aware Wikipedia is the only website which offers up people's IP address to the public, and Wikipedia is one of the websites where people have been seriously harassed because of their involvement in the project, so concealing people's IP address is even more important here than on the majority of websites. It's so important that if a registered account edits without logging in, their IP edit is immediately oversighted. Here we are on a website dealing with education, and we don't inform people about the risks of editing without concealing their IP address. Now, of course, IP addresses differ, and not all are risky. But letting people know that they a) can reveal a person's location (which can subject them to unwanted real life harassment through some casual sleuthing) and b) potentially leave them open to being hacked, should be done as a matter of course. I assume, though, that the very same people who mistrust registering on Wikipedia would be suspicious of warnings that if they don't register, that their real life identity may be hacked or stolen. I think the risks of hacking are really very small (I've not heard of it happening), though the risks of harassment are real as they happen sadly all too often. IP editors who realise the risk can have their edits oversighted, but only if they have been editing for less than three months. With everyone else, the Foundation just shrugs its shoulders and considers it their own fault for not having registered an account in the first place.

I sometimes wonder if people were given the right information - that it takes seconds to register, with nothing more required than a unique user name and a password, and that there are risks involved in not registering - how many people would still not register. SilkTork (talk) 12:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

SilkTork, yes, the risks that you mention relating to IP addresses do exist, though my experience suggests that they are probably far less likely to materialise in practice than risks from revealing real life information about oneself in ways such as using one's real name as a username, posting real life information about oneself on user pages, and so on. On the subject of what information we give to new users about creation of accounts, etc, a point related to what you say, but concerning accounts rather than IP editing, has concerned me for some years now. When I created my account, the account creation form advised one to read the username policy before registering, so I did so. At that time the username policy had a reasonably strongly worded warning about the risks of using one's own name. (Over the years the wording of that warning has varied between a very serious warning and a gentle suggestion.) I had been intending to use a username incorporating my real name, but having read the warnings I decided against doing so. I should think over 99.9% of editors who use their real names never suffer from doing so, but as I'm sure you know, there's a very small numbers of editors who have suffered very real and very serious real life problems as a result of their real identity being known. I am very glad that the warnings I read deterred me from using my real name, because there is a very real possibility that I might have been one of that small minority who suffer for it; I discovered some years ago that some editors that I had blocked had made a concerted effort to try to find my real life identity so that they could take revenge. Luckily, they failed, but with my name as a starting point who knows what they might have done? I was therefore very concerned some years ago when I found that the advice to read the username policy had been removed from the account creation form. I really think it was irresponsible to change things so as to make it unlikely that new users would see the warnings, thereby putting them at risk. In fact I think that the warning about using one's own name should be right there on the account creation form, rather than being hidden in the middle of a policy page where it might be missed even by new editors who do look at that page, let alone the probably far larger number who don't even look at it. JBW (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

	The Original Barnstar
	Well -done, your edit on Polo G reverting vandalism. Denisarona (talk) 12:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! Your help is much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Here's a brownie for your actions such as fighting vandalism! 64andtim (💬 and 📜) 23:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 23:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello fellow traveller, I've run into your work a few times now. Given that you have 15k edits I figured its high time that someone created a userpage for you. Cheers! - FenrisAureus ▼ (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Now I can finally get rid of some of the clutter on my talk page. Cheers, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 00:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you for helping to fight back against vandalism! – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, your help is much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

As a (talk page stalker), please think twice before sending a "welcome to Wikipedia" template of any kind, and please check the talk page archives for this IP address. More than likely, this user has been editing for much longer than you think.

And as always, 47.227.95.73, keep up the good work! Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

I appreciate your kind words, Walt! Although, most users set to welcome me will not see this message, there should honestly be a policy page on welcoming IP users. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply