Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snow White (Once Upon a Time)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was once upon a time, one administrator deleted all these fairtytale articles. —♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 19:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Snow White (Once Upon a Time)

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Snow White obviously is a notable fictional character. A notable alternative incarnation is Snow White (Disney). The previous two articles are well sourced, discuss narrative/plot briefly, and document the out-of-universe notability of the character. None of this is the case for the article on the Once Upon a Time (TV series)-incarnation. This one consists of a bloated "character biography" (basically an overly-detailed plot description) and a short section on "personality". None of this is sourced and basically reflects the opinion of the editor(s) who have added this text. There is no indication whatsoever of any out-of-universe notability. The article completely fails WP:FICTION and for those who would like to argue that that is just an essay, not a guideline: this fails WP:N completely, too. Perhaps some would like to argue that this article needs to be split off from the List of Once Upon a Time characters because it is getting to big. However, that list itself simply consists of bloated, overly-detailed plot descriptions and needs to be pared down considerably before becoming even remotely encyclopedic. WP is not a fansite. Hence: Delete.

For the same reasons as above, I am also nominating the following articles for deletion:

Please note that there is an independent AFD on Emma Swan. --Randykitty (talk) 12:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge basic information to List of Once Upon a Time characters and/or redirect depending on how much information is needed. This level of depth fails WP:INUNIVERSE, and there simply is not enough reliable source text analyzing these characters to justify stand alone articles for each. If there comes such a time in the future when there is enough independent, reliable source text that analyzes a character from the show to the point where a stand-alone article can be supported, then that character can be spun out as its own article. I don't see that we are there yet. --Jayron32 12:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are plenty of independent, RS, non-trivial coverage of these characters. It is enough that these characters are extremely notable outside of their original versions. Enough sources can be added later on. • Sonofaphrodite (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Where are these claimed RS, non-trivial outside coverage of these characters. The Snow White article has 15 references, all of which are to show episodes. The Mary Margaret Blanchard article only has a reference to another wiki. Wikipedia is not a fan site, we do not do blow by blow coverage of characters. This is worth a sentance mention in the Snow White article at best.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, for the reasons spelled out by Randykitty. Not only that, but the majority of the summaries on these articles have been taken word for word from the corresponding articles on onceuponatime.wikia.com. Utter solitude (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, as I agree with Utter the pages were created, and whole paragraphs from after the date of page creation on Wikipedia on February 3rd, 2013, were taken from the onceuponatime.wikia.com website. As per the history edit, the page history for Snow White on the Wikipedia dated February 3rd is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snow_White_(Once_Upon_a_Time)&oldid=536334780

And the state of the Snow White page on the wikia dated February 3rd (the same date) is as follows: http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Snow_White?oldid=156078

Open both in separate windows, and tell me you don't see they are nearly identical word for word. I can assure you that the Once Upon a Time Wikia does not and never copies history summaries from anywhere else, and all the summaries written for recaps, individual character pages and pages detailing items or locations were all written by a handful of users who help contribute to adding information to the website. I am very upset to learn the creation of these pages on Wikipedia is as a result of Sonofaphrodite copying whole pages from the Wikia, and taking all the credit for himself in the process of pasting everything in, and unassumingly, several users editing the page after him have no idea they are editing plagiarized content that he did not write. If he did help write *some* of the summaries on the Once Upon a Time Wikia, it is still wrong to copy and paste everything on the Wikia's individual page itself onto here because he obviously did not write the whole page on the Wikia, which is a group writing and editing effort on the Wikia itself. Applegirlz (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Absolutely no real-world perspective WP:INUNIVERSE and blatant plagarism from http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Snow_White Transcendence (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are also the Belle and Lacey French articles which sould also probably be nominated for dletion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Darn, I missed those somehow. As several people have already !voted here and this AfD has been under way for several days, I think it is inappropriate to simply add them to this nom, so I'm afraid it will have to be a separate AfD. Let's wait until this one is over and then start that one, just not to swamp SfD with OUaT discussions... --Randykitty (talk) 09:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- Yeah, i'm a fan of the show, but this is overkill. List of Once Upon a Time characters is enough inclusion in the encyclopedia. We don't need to content fork each one into a different article. Feedback ^☎ 22:43, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect all to List of Once Upon a Time characters. J04n(talk page) 11:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I definitely agree with deleting all these pages, especially after discovering that they were mostly plagarised from the Once Upon a Time Wiki. There is definitely not enough real world, verifiable sources besides talk from fans and the cast and directors themselves to justify the creation of multiple pages for separate characters. There is already a lot of detail on other pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Once_Upon_a_Time_characters and the pages for each separate episode of Once Upon a Time.

By the way, if these pages do get deleted, then most of the links to character pages on the main OUAT page will have to be changed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_(TV_series)#Cast_and_characters PS: looks like I just got a conflict (look above) when writing this. Jhgenius01 (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect All. There is nothing worth merging. JDDJS (talk) 04:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.