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An article you recently created, 1993 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@CASSIOPEIA: Hello! Please read the Wikipedia rules WP:NTENNIS. It says that "More detailed tennis notability information can be found at WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines". When you read WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines, it says that

"Notable tournaments include the WTA Premier tournaments (including qualifications), WTA International tournaments (including qualifications) and WTA 125K series. From 2008 onwards the ITF Women's $50,000–$100,000+ tournaments are notable. From 1978–2007 the threshold for notability in the women's ITF circuit is a $25,000 event. Qualification tournaments in ITF women's events are not notable. Qualification draws for WTA main tour should be placed near the bottom of the main draw page. Lesser tournaments may be listed in List of ITF Women's Circuit events and brief information provided there, and redirects from tournament names to that list may be created.

Exhibition tournaments should establish their notability on other grounds (e.g. several top 10 players present, notability in history, significant media coverage,... etc.).

When naming the new tournament page try to avoid the indication of sponsorship in the title and focus on the commonly accepted/known name of the tournament (which generally refers to the place where it's held or a famous person that it is named after, though sometimes it is inevitable).."

Therefore, according to the Wikipedia rules, WTA Tour Championships automatically satisfy the general notability guideline. Please read the Wikipedia rules carefully before disappointing active Wikiepedia editors. PE fans (talk) 04:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

PE fans Greeting to you. I did not say the subject is not notable. I am saying, the sources need to be reliable secondary sources with significant coverage. If anything is not clear pls visit Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 06:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, 1994 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, 1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Doubles, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, 1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Singles, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi Pablitto64, Greetings to you. What we need are independent, reliable sources (secondary sources) that the sources talk about the subject in depth and in length and not merely passing mentioned. The sources need to inline citate - pls check referencing for beginner on on inline citation. (note: sources from home page, marketing/press releases, user generated content sites and etc are considered primary sources and can NOT be used to demonstrate the notability of the subject). Pls click the links for further info of the rejection (note: article needs significant coverage and one or two sources are not considered significant - pls provide at least 3 and resubmit). If you have further questions pls refer to Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. Also, one of the Wikipedia's 5 fundamental principles is Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility, so kindly refrain yourself of posting such edit on my talk page - By the way, sources can be in any languages. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi Pablitto64, don't worry. I support you! It is clear that most tennis articles were significantly covered in the newspapers when the tournaments were held. After 40 years, most of them were deleted. Fortunately, it is still possible to find a small portion of them from, for example, New York Times archives. PE fans (talk) 15:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

PE fans, Greetings to you. If you could find info from New York Times or any major newspapers, you are welcome to add in the sources. Let me know you have done so, so I may review them. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@CASSIOPEIA: Hello! I've added New York Times reference to Draft:1993 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, Draft:1994 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, Draft:1979 US Open – Mixed Doubles and submitted them for review. On the other hands, I've submitted Draft:1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Singles, Draft:1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Doubles, Draft:1993 Bank of the West Classic – Singles, Draft:1995 US Open – Men's Doubles Qualifying without providing any secondary sources.

I understand that you are a new reviewer and may not be familiar with Wikipedia rules, especially in the situation that Wikipeida rules Wikipedia:Notability (sports) said that "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below". In other words, for the sports articles, the notability guideline is different from other articles. For example, please read the "Notability" section of [1] and "Data sources" section of [2].

According to Wikipedia rules, [3], those without any secondary sources like New York Times are considered as "very-bad-quality articles" and therefore fall into the Stub-Class category. The guideline for dealing with Stub-Class articles is the following: "The article is either a very short article or a rough collection of information that will need much work to become a meaningful article. It is usually very short; but, if the material is irrelevant or incomprehensible, an article of any length falls into this category. Although Stub-class articles are the lowest class of the normal classes, they are adequate enough to be an accepted article, though they do have risks of being dropped from being an article altogether." Thank you for understanding us PE fans (talk) 14:50, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

PE fans I understand each sport specific notability (SSN) is different. The point is Wikipedia is an encyopedia and content need to be verify and notability needs to be support by significant coverage by media/sources which are independent, reliable (secondary reliable sources) . Any sources associated with the subject are considered not primary sources which is not independent from the subject. Pls see primary sources vs secondary - WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. I suggest the draft articles would easily be put back to the main article as it is so short and not significant enough to Wikipedia:Content forking. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 19:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@CASSIOPEIA: In WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY, it says the following: "Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source." Therefore, the guideline for general articles does not rule out the usage of primary sources.

For tennis articles within the Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis, the following primary sources are recommended by[4]: ATPWorldTour.com, WTA Tour, Australian Open, Wimbledon Championships, Roland Garros, TennisForum website, ITFtennis It is not necessary for tennis articles to have the secondary sources.

As for the Wikipedia:Content forking problem, the Wikipedia rules [5] says the following: "Women: Notable tournaments include the WTA Premier tournaments (including qualifications), WTA International tournaments (including qualifications) and WTA 125K series. From 2008 onwards the ITF Women's $50,000–$100,000+ tournaments are notable. From 1978–2007 the threshold for notability in the women's ITF circuit is a $25,000 event. Qualification tournaments in ITF women's events are not notable. Qualification draws for WTA main tour should be placed near the bottom of the main draw page. Lesser tournaments may be listed in List of ITF Women's Circuit events and brief information provided there, and redirects from tournament names to that list may be created. Exhibition tournaments should establish their notability on other grounds (e.g. several top 10 players present, notability in history, significant media coverage,... etc.). When naming the new tournament page try to avoid the indication of sponsorship in the title and focus on the commonly accepted/known name of the tournament (which generally refers to the place where it's held or a famous person that it is named after, though sometimes it is inevitable)." In other words, Draft:1993 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, Draft:1994 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, Draft:1979 US Open – Mixed Doubles, Draft:1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Singles, Draft:1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Doubles, Draft:1993 Bank of the West Classic – Singles should exists as a single article, while Draft:1995 US Open – Men's Doubles Qualifying may be put back to the main article.

Wikipedia has many rules and we are all learning them. In this process, please forgive each others for making mistakes. For example, according to the guidelines, I've put the Draft:1995 US Open – Men's Doubles Qualifying on the bottom of 1995 US Open – Men's Doubles and I would suggest you to delete Draft:1995 US Open – Men's Doubles Qualifying. On the other hands, still according to the guidelines, I would suggest you to accept Draft:1993 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, Draft:1994 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles, Draft:1979 US Open – Mixed Doubles, Draft:1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Singles, Draft:1978 Virginia Slims of Philadelphia – Doubles, Draft:1993 Bank of the West Classic – Singles as single articles. Thank you!PE fans (talk) 03:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

PE fans Hi Greetings to you. Primary sources can be included in an article but since they are not independent that can not demonstrate the notability of the subject. In addition as I have mentioned, the subject content not short and not significant, it should be merged into the main article. That is no a good reason to Wikipedia:Content forking them. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@CASSIOPEIA: Hello! I emphasize again that the general notability criterion does not apply to tennis articles because Wikipedia:Notability (sports) says "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below" It is or not and.

On the other hands, whether the article contains the secondary sources do affect the assessment of tennis articles according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis. Roughly speaking, the articles without secondary sources are considers very-bad-quality articles and are Stub-Class. Articles with one secondary sources are considered Start-Class. Articles with more than one secondary sources are considered C-Class. Currently, half of the tennis articles are Stub-Class. Do you want to delete all of them? PE fans (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

PE fans Merge them to main article and not fork them - Wikipedia:Content forking. SSN dosnt not superseded GNG (I wish it does actually where there are many players have articles in Wikipedia but they do not pass SNN requirements and even the player fall under SSN requirements the article still need multiple independent, reliable sources) and I have mentioned multiple times, and pointed to you the link on significant coverage - not one or two sources, especially not only primary sources. -pls see - Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 04:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@CASSIOPEIA: Remark that in Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis, there are 39932 articles. 20383 of them does not have the secondary sources at all but meets the SSN. 9802 of them has only one secondary source. Most of them are fork pages like 1979 US Open- Mixed Double. For example, the 1979 US Open article already have Men’s Single, Women’s Single, Men’s Double, Women’s Double pages. In conclusion, if you completely ignore SSN, then almost all tennis articles must be merged with the upper level articles. I don’t think it make sense at all. On the other hands, it is extremely strange if Men’s single has its own page but Mixed double does not. Moreover, the scope of the Grand Slam sub program is to have an individual page for each draw. Since your current reply has significantly threaten the existence of a big Wikipedia project, I hope that you can follow the SSN and save the Wikipedia from extinction.PE fans (talk) 05:04, 16 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

PE fans There are thousands of articles in Wikipedia which should not have pages - see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists and many articles should not fork actually. Merge and not fork. I have stated my comments and repeated them and hope you have read the links for no point for me to restated them again. thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Pablito064,

Thanks for creating 1993 Australian Open – Women's Singles Qualifying! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Hello, Pablito064,

Thanks for creating 1990 WTA Tour Championships – Doubles! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

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An article you recently created, 1996 Australian Open – Women's Singles Qualifying, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 03:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Pablito064,

Thanks for creating 1992 Lipton International Players Championships – Women's Doubles! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Boleyn (talk) 20:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, 2006 Guangzhou International Women's Open – Singles, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 09:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

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The title suggests what I'm supposed to put here | 2000 Volvo Women's Open – Singles | 66.206.231.45 (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Thank you for creating 1999 Mercedes-Benz Cup – Doubles.

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An article you recently created, 1988 Swatch Open – Singles, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. scope_creep^Talk 14:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, 1988 Bordeaux Open – Singles, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. scope_creep^Talk 14:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Pablito, I noticed your great work adding many draw articles for older years' tournaments. I created a tool a while back that automatically generates the wikitext for the draws from the ITF's website, which might make things a lot quicker for you. How it works is you navigate to the relevant tournament on the ITF's website, e.g. the page for 2020 Italian Open is here. Then, you select the event (singles/doubles, main draw/qualifying) and click "Print". This takes you to an html draw, e.g. [6]. You then paste the URL for this draw into the "Tournament link" field on my tool, select the other options as necessary, and click "Request". The tool then generates the draw in a minute or less, which you can then copy and paste into the Wikipedia article. A user on the German Wikipedia focusing on Challenger tournaments has used this tool to make around 2000 draw articles in the past 9 months, which shows how efficient you can get with it. The only issue is that the algorithm doesn't always get the name links perfect, but you can add corrections to this page and the tool will get them right from then on. The tool hasn't been used much on the English Wikipedia yet, so there might be a few initial hiccups to get things working perfectly, but once they're overcome, it'll be smooth sailing from then on. If you do choose to give it a try, I'd like to hear the outcome! Regards, —Somnifuguist (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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@Pablito064, I would like to personally thank you for your tireless and diligent work in making the tennis draws on a daily basis. You have spared me a lot of extra work and for that I thank you. Yours sincerely, Qwerty284651 (talk) 23:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for the late response. I appreciate your words. Pablito064 (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

An article you recently created, 1997 Romanian Open – Singles, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Schwede66 22:51, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

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