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Hello. I was wondering where/how you learned of the death of the former cyclist Jean Roth. I noticed that you added a death year. Another user then promptly reverted your edit, stating that it was unsourced. I did a brief search for a source, but could not find one. Could you be of any help with this? 38.95.13.133 (talk) 08:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello,

I just added a source. It’s actually a newspaper, and it was given by a wiki User, "Jmax", on Jean Roth’s French Wikipedia page. Sinbabad (talk) 09:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your reply and the information. 38.95.13.131 (talk) 10:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello again. I have in the meantime seen that the same user has reverted your edit again as they do not accept your source (depsite the fact that the French and German wikis use it as a source). Separately though, it has occurred to me that if the death was announced on page 18 of the 3 April 2019 edition of the Blick newspaper, then the date of death can obviously not be 3 April 2019 as well. Blick is printed overnight and is a morning newspaper, so the death must have already occurred i.e. on 2 April 2019 at the very latest. I tried to get into the e-paper edition of Blick for the date in question but unfortunately did manage to do so. I think it is only available to subscribers. 38.95.13.132 (talk) 13:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Can you check the date of birth you gave in his article? In your edit on the squads of the 1963 South America championship you gave a DOB of 16 July 1944 which is consistent with the statement that he was Bolivias youngest player in the championship (which he would not be, had he been born in 1933, so I guess that may have just been a kind of copy error). I do not speak Spanish but as far as I can tell the La Razon article does not specify a date of birth. In any case it would be good to give a source that does. Proofreader (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes 1944 is the right DOB I made a error while typing.

For the source of the DOB, I could only find a Facebook post and I know that Wikipedia usually don’t allow Facebook as a source so I didn’t bother to put it as a reference. Sinbabad (talk) 22:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Hello MPGuy2824,

If I understand correctly (I don’t speak English fluently), you want this article to be deleted because of the lack of notability of Albert Böhm ?

Granted, the guy is no Usain Bolt or Cristiano Ronaldo, but one of the goal of Wiki is to inform people and to be the more complete possible.

There is hundreds, thousands of pages about obscure Olympians like Böhm.

But more importantly, why do you care ? Sinbabad (talk) 06:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Thanks for your contributions to Alejandro Arce. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Who are you to judge that the subject of my article lacks of notability ? He won the Copa America, one of the most prestigious competitions in the world, and it was the first for Paraguay !

As for the sources, I think I’ve got enough, as much or even more that for example your article about Mirko Tomianovic, an obscure Bolivian player who was only capped for the u17 team ! Sinbabad (talk) 00:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Sinbabad. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. New articles must meet the General notability guideline, which states that "a topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Analyzing the sources in the Arce draft, we have ABC, Hoy, Radio Nacional, Lucarne Opposée, another ABC article, and IP. ABC does not mention him, Hoy mentions him once, Radio Nacional mentions him once, Lucarne Opposée mentions him once, the second ABC article mentions him once, and IP mentions him once. Not a single source has significant coverage of Arce, which is why I sent it to draft. As for the Tomianovic article, it was created over four years ago, and notability guidelines have tightened up since then, especially since WP:NSPORTS2022. While I appreciate your interest in my articles, you are certainly free to nominate it for deletion. JTtheOG (talk) 23:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

No I will not nominate any of articles. Unlike you, I respect other people’s work, even if I don’t find them interesting.

The informations I give about Arce are accurate, so why do you care ?

Especially since you seem to be a football fan, and South American football in particular !

I didn’t choose any random football player, but one who actually won the Copa America, the first for Paraguay, so I think it’s worth creating a page, even if the sources are not enough thorough to you ! Sinbabad (talk) 00:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Note that I did not delete the page. However, since it did not have the sources to establish notability, I simply moved it to the draftspace to give you (and others) more time to find such sources before your work was deleted by someone else. Notability of sportspeople is not inherently earned by winning any achievement. JTtheOG (talk) 00:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

But the purpose of Wikipedia is to inform people. And like I said, I give correct informations about Arce. So again, even if my sources don’t meet all Wikipedia criterias, WHY DO YOU CARE ? DOES THAT BOTHER YOU THAT MUCH ?

My article could be deleted because of you and I don’t really understand why you’re doing this. Sinbabad (talk) 00:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

And could you please not delete my references ? There are here for a reason : giving sources for the birth and death dates. Sinbabad (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

And also sources for the clubs the players play into. Sinbabad (talk) 01:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please read MOS:LEADCITE. We do not need unnecessary refs in the lead section, which should only source statements that are "challenged or likely to be challenged". All of those profiles (NFT, Worldfootball.net, Footballdatabase.eu, Soccerway, Ceroacero, etc.) should be placed in the external links section. Notice how articles for players like Lionel Messi, Neymar and Erling Haaland do not have sources for things like birth dates, instead reserving sources in the lead sections for very select statements. JTtheOG (talk) 01:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I’ve created about 100 pages, I always put references on the lead sections, and NOBODY has ever deleted them, you’re the first !

On the contrary, I forgot on some rare occasions to do so and some users told me that references were needed ! Sinbabad (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well then I'm glad to be the first to show you this part of our Manual of Style, as well as MOS:LINKONCE and WP:DUPCITES. JTtheOG (talk) 02:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your contributions to Domingo Martínez (1950s footballer). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Hello,

I created an article about a Domingo Martínez born in the late 1920s or in the 1930.

The article you say "already exists" is about a Domingo Martínez born in 1982 !

They are definitely not the same person. Sinbabad (talk) 09:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

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North8000 (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, you have edited the new president of iran's ethinicity as kurdish on his mother side. This does not correspond with reality. He is ethnic Azeri on both sides which he has clarified on several videos. HistoricalFactCheckX (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi,

I did edited Iran new President’s page, but I only spoke about his age and the day he was elected, not his ethnicity.

You must be confusing me with another Wikipedia user. Sinbabad (talk) 16:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ok, sorry for bothering HistoricalFactCheckX (talk) 17:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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@Sinbabad:, I have already pulled you up in the past about not providing reliable sources and/or inadequate sourcing. In recent days I have found further edits where you've added death dates to biographies of living / possibly living people but not provided any sources to back it up. The latest example being José García Pérez. This is a major violation of WP:BLP and WP:RS and if everyone did this, there'd be no point in Wikipedia because its reliability would be completely zero. Please stop doing this otherwise I will report your account to the administrator's noticeboard, at which point you may be banned and every single edit you've contributed to date could get wiped. Thanks Jkaharper (talk) 17:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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@Sinbabad: I have reverted your edit on Princess Theodora of Greece and Denmark (born 1983), where you added that her wedding was "the first royal wedding celebrated in Greece in 60 years, since her parents’ wedding". Not only was this information not in the provided source for the sentence you added on to, this information is simply not true. Theodora's younger brother, Prince Philippos, married Nina Flohr at the same cathedral in Athens in 2021. Her older brother, Prince Nikolaos, married Tatiana Blatnik at a church in Spetses, Greece in 2010. Her cousin, Princess Olga, married Prince Aimone of Savoy in a ceremony in Patmos, Greece in 2008. Another cousin, Prince Michael, married Marina Karella in Athens in 1965. That's four Greek royal weddings between her parent's wedding in 1964 and her wedding in 2024. Please do not add unsourced information to Wikipedia articles, and do not add false information to Wikipedia articles. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi. You've made an edit removing additional credits from this person's entry in Deaths in 2024 twice now, and it's twice been reverted. As the latest revert edit summary states, being an Olympian does not negate other domestic club and international credits, so all should be included up to the maximum of three. His status as an Olympian would only have taken full precedence if he had won a gold medal/become an Olympic champion. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 22:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well that’s weird, I’ve ALWAYS seen that the mention Olympic … took full precedence for a dead athlete who had participated to the Olympic Games (except for footballers) whether he had won a medal or not. Sinbabad (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The vast majority of Olympic competitors have held only amateur status historically, although that differs greatly in the modern day. Deceased who are of the ages we are seeing in Deaths in 2024 usually never got to practice their particular talent either as a professional domestic sportsperson or an international non-Olympic competitor for their nation. The person in question actually achieved equal notability (or thereabouts) as a non-Olympian, so should be allowed the credits to go with that, up to the Rule of Three as is the norm. As I mentioned, if the person had become an Olympic champion on one or more occasion, THAT would have negated all else in terms of notability, and would have led to his description as an Olympic handball player followed by his year of gold medal winning. It has to be accepted that the Olympics are not the be-all and end-all in terms of notability, and a sense of equanimity exists within other spheres of the person's sport. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 00:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)Reply