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Hi! i was just wondering if you could explain what a "hat trick" was so i can pass it as patrolled. Thanks Dudel250 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

A hat-trick is when a player scores three (or more) goals in a single game. (Hat-trick#association fooball) Macosal (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ahh! i see now Thanks i'll pass it Dudel250 (talk) 23:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

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No, honours do require directly referencing per WP:BLP and WP:V. GiantSnowman 11:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

If true do you plan to remove these similarly unreferenced honours sections from every article? Paul Scholes? Cristiano Ronaldo? Wayne Rooney? Macosal (talk) 13:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

A short discussion at a WikiProject, with no real consensus either way, does NOT trump WP:BLP. The items have been challenged and removed (by me), they should NOT be re-added unless explicitly sourced to a reliable source. GiantSnowman 11:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

User:Macosal/BLP has been started... GiantSnowman 15:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Cheers. For the record though, are/aren't we doing the same with international goals sections? I can't see why not and are if anything easier to reference. Macosal (talk) 00:39, 12 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

To be honest not really, I am fully within my right to remove this information, I have started tagging honours section as a favour/compromise, this could just end up with you requesting that I don't remove anything and would just make a mockery of BLP policy. I'm more than happy to continue tagging honours sections for the forseeable future. GiantSnowman 08:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

I hope we do not have an issue here but unfortunately I do not believe you are fully within your right to do that... I did mention that international goals should be likewise included. I would be open to reducing the relevant time period in return for international goals also being included. Macosal (talk) 09:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Sigh, are we going to go through this again? Yes, I am allowed to remove any unreferenced information about living people as per WP:BLP policy, did you learn nothing from the BLPN discussion? GiantSnowman 09:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

I'm trying to avoid reopening this again (no conclusion was reached). If you look back I actually said that international goals should be included. I would be happy to accept a reduced time period if international goals were to be included? Macosal (talk) 09:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Well there was a conclusion - just ask the expert editors @Nomoskedasticity: and @FreeRangeFrog: - WP:BLP fully allows for my edits. The issue that you and Walter/AV kicked off about was honours, so I allowed that sole concession as an act of good faith. I never agreed about international goals or anything else - just honours. As I've already stated if you want/expect me to start listing all other items as well then it just makes a mockery of BLP and means there is zero point to editing. If you continue to insist on it, I'll just stop tagging honours and start removing them again in line with BLP. GiantSnowman 09:38, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

2 editors in support of your case with one against in addition to several others against the deletion would hardly seem to me a conclusion, nor did you react to my suggestion of international goals (it appears I mistook acquiescence for acceptance). Where would the next highest level of resolution be? Macosal (talk) 09:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Nonononono, this did not require a 'consensus' in the traditional sense. We went to a noticeboard to seek advice from the experts, the experts advised that my edits were fine. Just because you and your mates did/could not accept that is irrelevant. GiantSnowman 09:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

The "experts" did not agree in this case, nor should authority hold weight in assessing outcomes. Don't condescend to call them my mates - they were other editors with legitimate opinions and concerns and included administrators. What would be the next step? Macosal (talk) 09:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Walter and AV are not administrators, although that it is irrelevant. I'd advise you to wait for Nomoskedasticity and/or FRF (who is an admin) to add further comments, although if you don't want to, feel free to raise the matter at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 10:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Sure. For the record, the admin I was referring to was @Djsasso:. Macosal (talk) 12:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

I also don't want to reopen this whole debate here (there will be a time and a place if necessary), but why is it desirable that the information should be removed? Macosal (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Without re-hasing the entire debate(s) we had at both FOOTY and BLPN, because I'm sure neither of us want that, the short answer is per WP:BLP and WP:V. GiantSnowman 13:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

To rehash what I said at BLPN, any editor is free to remove any unsourced information (positive, negative or neutral) from any article. More to the point, it is at the editor's discretion to remove the unsourced information, or leave a {{cn}} or "additional citations needed" tag or whatever. Any editor who wants the information to remain on the article should simply source it. If it cannot be sourced then it does not belong in the article, period. There is no need for consensus or discussion in these cases. Verifiability is a cornerstone of what we do here, which is all the more important when a biography of a living person is involved. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

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I have begun a thread at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Full names of soccer clubs to discuss how we should use the "fullname" parameter in the Infobox template. Unfortunately it seems to be being used by some to continue to now sneakily press the claim that their game is called football. Please join the fray. HiLo48 (talk) 08:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

Certainly is unfortunate if that is the case. You should remember not to make generalisations / statements about people's intent, however (play the ball not the man). Macosal (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure if you remember but a while back you created List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Mitchell Johnson. In one edit I completely reworded the lead, added photos and added refs. I then looked at the article and decided it was featured list status worthy so I nominated it. As you did a lot of the work I added you as a co-nomination which means you can claim the FL as your own (if it passes). If you want you can help me with answering the comments at FLC of you can leave it. Cheers NickGibson3900 ^Talk 07:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Sounds good, will keep an eye on it. Here's hoping it succeeds. Macosal (talk) 06:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

It passed!!   Thanks for your work getting all the facts for the list and referencing each match. - NickGibson3900 ^Talk 05:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hey Macosal, just wanted to let you know that I have been helping complete the BLP list and add references to the honours sections that GiantSnowman and other editors have flagged or deleted. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. Cheers. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

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assists are unsourcable. There have been numerous discussions about this already at WP:FOOTBALL. There is no clear consensus of what an assist even is and different people count them differently. Furthermore most stats websites don't list them. --SuperJew (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

FYI, it appears your latest comment has an incomplete sentence: "...(which in turn speaks to the idea that"― —sroc 💬 10:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yep fixed (probably as you were writing this) Macosal (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yep, just saw that. —sroc 💬 11:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Shouldn't it be in descending order with regards to the date/year? Same as club sides. Should be consistent rather than all mixed up. Simione001 (talk) 06:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

For mine order of seniority works better - I think this is how it's conventionally done - e.g. see Harry Kewell, Romelu Lukaku, Robert Green etc. Not sure if there has been any discussion on this point but didn't see any that had a different order in a brief search around. Macosal (talk) 06:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I've seen it done both ways eg Kyi Lin. It just seems wrong to me when the dates are not in order given that this is the case for both youth and senior football elements of the infobox. Simione001 (talk) 08:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hmm, maybe worth raising at WP:FOOTY or at Template talk:Infobox football biography to get some clarity. For mine the highest level of international honours should be the last listed - seems a bit jumbled to potentially list all the youth teams in an order that isn't youngest to oldest. Macosal (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Is he on a youth or senior contact with CCM? If it's youth i don't think he is on loan at CC FC. He will likely play for CC FC during the NYL off season before returning to CCM. I believe youth contract or offered on a season to season basis and do not extended beyond one season. So I believe that effectively he has left CCM but may well return for the new season of the NYL. Simione001 (talk) 11:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yeah he signed a senior contract for next season in February (source). I feel like a loan is the best way of characterising that (and considerably neater). Macosal (talk) 13:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

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No, you haven't missed anything I've said. It's always been the norm to have the Tier I events as a separate section and to be honest, its more visually appealing too. Maybe bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines and see what others have to say. JayJ47 (talk) 08:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

The performance timeline on this page is a good example. As for Indian Wells and Miami, we don't make the "Tier I" distinction because we go by the modern day classifications i.e. they're both categorised as "Premier Mandatory" events. It's the same for the men. The 9 events formerly known as the "ATP Masters Series" are now listed under their current name: "ATP Masters 1000". JayJ47 (talk) 08:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

i have been part of some edit reverts over the past few days(e.g. on 2015–16 in Australian soccer) from a user who i feel is belittling my opinion in discussions where if the formatting that has been agreed upon by consensus on Talk Pages (e.g. here: Talk:2015 FFA Cup) and here: Talk:2014 FFA Cup#Bracket Table) doesnt match this users view they are dismissed as irrelevent, and this editor appears to be fairly senior. There appears to be his correct format, and a wrong format produced by 'beauraucrats' whatever that means. How do i get this user to 'play nice' in these situations and reach an objective view? Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately I have had a few disagreements with the same editor recently too. I think disputes relating to the A-League/football in Australia can be difficult, in particular because the small number of editors involved can give disputes an "I'm right/you're wrong" feel which are in nobody's best interest. As such, I think the best way to deal with these sorts of disputes are to look at how similar issues have been resolved on analogous articles overseas with higher editor numbers (I'm afraid I can't think of an equivalent here for this particular dispute unfortunately - the seasons in English soccer pages don't list the full bracket, presumably because of the size such a bracket would be); or if the issue is significant enough/has application for other equivalent articles, raise it on WT:FOOTY, where the significantly higher editor numbers will give a more accurate representation of what should/shouldn't be done (of course this needs to be done relatively sparingly). Searching WT:FOOTY's archives is also often a good way to find existing consensuses on contentious topics (again unfortunately I don't think anyone has had this discussion before). If it's not on that scale, the Aussie football project where we've interacted in the past will always get more eyes (marginally) than individual article talk pages if you want more opinions on something. You may well already be aware of these avenues, in which case I'm sorry to have over-explained, but if not they could be helpful.

I think if there is an "objective view" (I have seen several disputes where there has been myself); you should normally be able to get there simply by using the above/getting more editors involved through those two talkpages enough to constitute a consensus.

Re your current dispute, I know it's technically not a solution but maybe the answer is "time". The quarterfinals were drawn today, meaning that after 1 more round the whole draw will become clear (in 3 weeks). I agree with you that the current system may be misleading - adding a bracket to these articles was task force: Difference between revisions originally my idea, but as you can see there, I never intended to add them before the full draw was known. I also added the asterisks with the footnote to attempt to clarify what was otherwise a highly misleading bracket. Maybe worth trying to resolve this at some point before next season, but for now maybe more pertinent to let sleeping dogs lie.

I agree that SJ's conduct has been, in my view, inappropriate on a few occasions in recent days (reverting other's edits to preserve his own regardless of order/WP:BRD/consensuses, WP:SOCK violations etc). The best thing to do is probably a clear, calmly worded statement on his talk page, but I don't think now is the best time to do that (given the recent disputes between me/him and you/him). Hopefully the above can provide some solution in resolving the issues you have had and everybody will be able to move onwards from these repetitive debates.

I hope that kind of helps, Macosal (talk) 14:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

Immensely. thank you ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

But it does get hard when someone seems to be targetting pages that one has edited and keeps reverting them, even after discussing on Talk pages. . I have had about 20 reverts in 18 months, 3/4 of them from one individual, and 1/2 of them just in the past 48 hours from that one individual.

Oceania Club Championship, can you create the last 3 finals without a page ? Thanks!--Alexiulian25 (talk) 21:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Hi there MACOSAL, from Portugal,

I explained the reason for my changes the second time around. If you revert me again, nevermind i'll leave it be, was only trying to help and/or be coherent.

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I just saw this edit and your explanation of formatting errors. Can you give me some more information? What browser are you using? Desktop or mobile device? How does it look? Qed237 (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Codehydro: creator of Module:RoundN and Template:RDseed, do you know what the problem might be? I dont have any problems. Qed237 (talk) 15:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

The top row is all good ("semi-finals" and "final") but then every subsequent row is all written on top of one another (although the horizontal spacing seems right). Using chrome on PC. Macosal (talk) 02:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Qed237: This is an issue with mobile view which shows text at a much bigger size than desktop view, which causes the text to wrap for unsually long country names like   Papua New Guinea. RDseed is designed for one-line team names, which looks funky when a name wraps into two lines. Two solutions: 1) add |style=white-space:nowrap 2) add |team-width=auto (or a sufficiently wide value like 200 if auto looks unbalanced). I'll add a note to RDseed. On a side note, I see another display issue in mobile which makes the bracket lines look wrong, but that issue was present from before Module:RoundN... i.e. Template:Round8... not a high priority however. —CodeHydro 13:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much, looks great. I had no idea about "auto" which is very good for larger brackets with multiple rounds. In this case however 200px should be best I think. Qed237 (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Codehydro: mistake while ping earlier, anyway thanks again. Qed237 (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Macosal let me know is this is working. Qed237 (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately not, still seeing all lines written over one another. Macosal (talk) 14:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

That is really weird. I am using Chrome on PC and has absolutely no problem. Qed237 (talk) 16:26, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Have you tried different things, such as wider team-column? Using nowrap around rdseed and fb teamplate? Qed237 (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've fixed it - all looks fine to me now at least. Evidently the problem was the flextree parameter. Macosal (talk) 08:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Flextree is what should make it works, and now it looks a bit strange for me. Qed237 (talk) 10:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Codehydro: Got more advice? Qed237 (talk) 10:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ah that's weird/unfortunate. Strange for you how? To me it looks very normal, except the line below A1/above B2 looks a bit thicker than it should be. Macosal (talk) 10:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Yes, the same here. The line between A1/B2 is thicker because things are not aligned. The flex_tree parameter is supposed to fix that alignment. Qed237 (talk) 10:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@GAV80 and Chanheigeorge: You are both regular editors, have you had any issues with the bracket? Is this version and/or this version working? Qed237 (talk) 10:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Qed237:. My opinion: first version with flex_tree parameter is better. In this case: no border if flags have different width and height. In this bracket three flags has 23x12, and PNG flag has 20x15 → has border around seed. flex_tree parameter need. GAV80 (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Macosal: I will need more information. A screenshot of the original,my attempted fix, and the seedless version would be most helpful in seeing what is actually going on. And please say what browser are you using. —CodeHydro 16:13, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

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How is a fixture that didn't occur generally (or enduringly) notable for Wikipedia? See WP:NOTNEWS.

The only non-match of recent times involving Australian teams - that I'm aware of - that seems to have kept its notability for a while, was Matildas cancelled matches against USA as the team pulled out only days before the first match when many tickets had already been sold (Matildas went 'on strike' effectively), and that was the notable part at the time, and it was kept for a while at USWNT main article; it was deemed relevant in September 2015 (initially newsworthy, but ultimately WP:NOTNEWS), and wasnt kept for their season overview article 2015 in American soccer#Women. Matilda Maniac (talk) 08:29, 14 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Games like this are included per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Country seasons. Further, I'd say that the circumstances around games such as this recently cancelled one are often relevant/interesting. If these articles used textual summaries of seasons rather than templates, would you still say the same thing? I'd say the cancellation is certainly relevant to understanding the olyroos' recent fixtures or their 2016-17 season (the two places it is listed). Of course the matildas example is even more notable - were there discussions leading to the above inclusions / non-inclusions?

On a broader note I don't think NOTNEWS is the best guideline to consider when looking at something like a season article - which is often largely an amalgamation of news relating to a team over the course of a season. Macosal (talk) 07:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

ThaNks for the feedback. Matilda Maniac (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hey, you reverted my edit removing Nick Montgomery from List of foreign A-League players saying Still not eligible for Australia as represented Scotland youth before gaining AUS citizenship (and so should still be included). I was under the impression though that playing for youth teams doesn't cap-tie you to a country.

I was actually debating this before my edit, as we have players like Iacopo La Rocca and Jonas Salley who aren't eligible for Australia despite not being capped for their country at any level as they haven't lived in Australia for 5 years, and OTOH we have Henrique who is technically eligible (though I doubt he'll be called up). In Montgomery's case though he's been with the Mariners since 2012, so he has been long enough in the country no? (so he would be technically eligible for Australia like Henrique)

Thanks --SuperJew (talk) 07:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi,

Montgomery has only been here 4.5 years, so for the next 6 months would still be ineligible for the same reasons as Salley or La Rocca.

But yes, playing for a nation's youth side generally does make a player ineligible for other nationalities which they are yet to obtain. The best example that comes to mind is Adama Traoré (Ivorian footballer) who was frustratingly ineligible for the Socceroos as he had played youth for Ivory Coast before coming to Australia (full article). I'm not 100% clear if the youth caps need to be FIFA/continental/any game at all, but for now Montgomery is ineligible for Australia on one or both of the above grounds.

Cheers, Macosal (talk) 08:04, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Okay, so I looked further into this because there are players who switched allegiance like Cameron Burgess (represented Scotland youth and then switched to Australia youth),Apostolos Giannou (represented Australia youth, switched to Greece youth, played a friendly for Greece senior, switched to Australia senior), Diego Costa (played 2 friendlies for Brazil senior and switched to Spain seniors) and there's more examples I'm sure. So under FIFA guidelines youth and friendlies don't cap-tie. Here comes the BUT: but if the player played the youth/friendly games before receiving the other nation's citizenship, then he isn't eligible to switch (as in the case of Mikel Arteta). EDIT: make that nationality, as cases like Taulant Xhaka who played for Switzerland youth before receiving Albanian citizenship, but he did have Albanian nationality through his family. I'll add a note to the page. This was also talked about when Kosovo were admitted to FIFA (and they were holders of the Kosovar nationality prior to their first appearance in an international match in an official competition for their previous association.) Thanks mate! --08:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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Here's an example of what I was saying about injury replacement contracts. It says Former Adelaide shot-stopper Hall comes to the club as an Injury Replacement Player for Jerrard Tyson, who will be sidelined for a period following shoulder reconstruction surgery last week and doesn't specify a time-frame. What do you think? --SuperJew (talk) 05:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Goal.com say six months. Alternatively I also don't think there's anything wrong with "indefinite" given that the "type" column can specify that it's an injury replacement contract. Incidentally, the previous system of year-only wouldn't really be any better in this case as "around six months" takes us pretty much dead on the very end of 2017/very start of 2018. Macosal (talk) 05:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Great, thanks mate :) You're right of course - I think it's a challenge with both formats.

Isn't it weird though that a club signs a player on an IR contract in the off-season? --SuperJew (talk) 05:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, can't remember seeing that one before (especially given they have 4 keepers on contract now). I guess maybe it stops Hall going somewhere else, but not sure how crucial that is if they're only keeping him for a couple of months as a backup keeper anyway... Macosal (talk) 10:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hey mate, when you update national squads, could you please make sure to update the recent call-ups as well as the current squad? You forgot to do it when updating the Matildas' squad now, but I fixed it :) Cheers, --SuperJew (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Sure. I usually would, but for me I don't think training camps should be included in either the current or recent sections. Macosal (talk) 08:32, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hmm, I can see the point on that, though I think they can be as it does give an indication where the coach is looking too and who's catching the eye from the fringes/young players. And it's fine so long it's clearly noted that it's a "training camp call-up". The only thing is that what happened with your edit was that some players appeared in both current squad and recent call-ups (Lydia Williams for example). --SuperJew (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Hello Macosal, I am pinging creators and active editors of the lists found at Category:Lists of expatriate association football players because of the discussion where your opinion would be welcomed. The discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Lists_of_expatriate_association_football_players. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Please help us in this Discussion. Shahin (talk) 12:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

Women's Football / Soccer Task Force News: April 2018

Eniola Aluko of England (in white) and Jovana Mrkić (in red) of Montenegro, 2014 Hello WOSO editors! A few initiatives have been started with an emphasis on making more WOSO links blue (similar to the work that WikiProject Women in Red does) and filling in the gaps within various league, team, and player, etc. articles. If you're interested in collaborating with others to make more links blue, take a look at the initiatives listed in the box below. Sign up at the bottom of an initiative page and help grow the lists, add potential references, resources, and create the articles ... or create your own initiative. WOSO Initiatives   Australia:W-League England: WSL France: Div 1 Germany: Bundesliga Ireland: WNL Italy: Serie A Mexico: Liga MX Femenil Nigeria Spain: La Liga Femenina Sweden: Damallsvenskan United States: NCAA Requested Articles v t e Did you know ... WP:GNG takes precedence over WP:NFOOTY (which only includes the players in 1 active women's league)? Often times there is enough media coverage that meets WP:GNG or other notability guidelines. For more information, see WP:WOSO#Notability and be sure to tag the new article talk page with: {{WP Women's sport|footy=yes}} Current and upcoming seasons for top-division leagues Czech Republic: 2017–18 Czech First Division ends Apr England: 2017–18 FA WSL ends May 20 Faroe Islands: 2018 1. deild kvinnur started Mar 11 France: 2017–18 Division 1 Féminine ends May 27 Germany: 2017–18 Frauen-Bundesliga ends Jun 2 Iceland: 2018 Úrvalsdeild kvenna (football) starts May 3 Ireland: 2018 Women's National League started Mar 11 Israel: 2017–18 Ligat Nashim ends Apr 28 Italy: 2017–18 Serie A ends May 12 Japan: 2018 Nadeshiko started Mar 21 Mexico: 2017–18 Liga MX Femenil season ends May 5 Moldova: 2017–18 Moldovan Women Top League started Apr 1 Netherlands: 2017–18 Eredivisie ends May 25 Scotland: 2018 Scottish Women's Premier League started Feb 11 South Korea: 2018 WK League starts Apr 23 Spain: 2017–18 Primera División ends May 13 Sweden: 2018 Damallsvenskan started Apr 14 United States: 2018 National Women's Soccer League season started Mar 24 Current season articles needing creation Albania: 2017–18 Kampionati Femrave started in Oct Algeria: 2017–18 Algerian Women's Championship started in Sept Austria: 2017–18 ÖFB-Frauenliga started in Aug Belgium: 2017–18 Super League Vrouwenvoetbal (nl) started in Sept China: 2018 Chinese Women's Super League season started in Apr Cyprus: 2017–18 Cypriot First Division started in Nov Finland: 2018 Naisten Liiga started Mar 24 Northern Ireland: 2018 Women's Premiership starts Apr 18 Norway: 2018 Toppserien started Mar 24 Portugal: 2018 Campeonato Nacional de Futebol Feminino (pt) ends May 19 Romania: 2017–18 Romanian Superliga ends Jun 2 Switzerland: 2018 Nationalliga A ends May 26 Vietnam: 2018 Vietnam Women's Football Championship started Mar 10 Wales: 2017-18 Welsh Premier Women's Football League ends May 18 Have some new articles in mind or see some that need improvement? Add them to the Open Tasks. Has an article you worked on been nominated for deletion? See: Primer for AfD, AfC and PROD Contributing to Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussions Request a copy of a deleted article Want some tips, assistance, or resources from other WOSO editors? Leave a message on the task force talk page.

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Hi Macosal, when moving pages, please use the move button rather than manually creating redirects to ensure the page history movds as well. Fenix down (talk) 08:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

Apologies - I tried to use the move button but it didn't work. Cheers for the fix. 09:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

 

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Hi. Please see WP:NOTSTATS. There's no need to add lists of tables like this, with little or no context. There have been previous discussions at the Cricket Project not to inlcude them, and they have not been added to other tournaments. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Lugnuts: would you mind pointing me in the direction of one other major international tournament to which this “has not been added” or one of the previous discussions at the cricket project you cite? I’ve had a search for both and found neither but will stand corrected if you can. Macosal (talk) 18:39, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi. The 2014 ICC Women's World Twenty20 doesn't have them, and I know there are others too. I will have a look for the relevant discussion(s). Meanwhile, WP:NOTSTATS states "Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing; accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability, and articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context." So having a table with no context is generally avoided. These stat tables on articles easily become esoteric with no further explanations and context, and are often straight copies of tables from other websites (such as Cricinfo). Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:45, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Lugnuts:, I would suggest that the lack of this section on the 2014 Women’s T20 page is more likely a lack of editor time than adherence to any alleged consensus when they are included in every major men’s tournament of the past decade. Re NOTSTATS - we are discussing two short statistical tables - in what way is this ”excessive”? Do you really think they are confusing or reduce readability in this context? On the other hand I would say it is highly relevant to a reader to know who (a small number of) the best performing players were in this tournament. Macosal (talk) 18:55, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

The leading run-scorer and wicket-takers will be named in the infobox (and hopefully in the prose). What value does it add to have the fourth-leading wicket-taker and the fifth-leading run-scorer? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:00, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

You’ve only responded to part of what I said, but I think it is quite clear that knowing a small number of the highest-performing players is relevant to a reader interested in knowing about this tournament. Five players is hardly excessive by any interpretation. Macosal (talk) 19:05, 23 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

 

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Women's Football / Soccer Task Force News: July 2019

Opening ceremony of the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup, Parc de Princes, Paris, June 7, 2019 Hello WOSO editors! What a 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup in France! There has been a lot of activity on tournament- and player-related Wikipedia articles with all of the worldwide coverage of the tournament and its players. Let's keep the momentum going. WOMEN IN SPORTS EDIT-A-THON FOR JULY + AUGUST! WikiProject Women in Red is focusing on Women in Sports during their edit-a-thon for July & August 2019. Get all the info here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/126 Sign up and help fill in the gaps within various articles related to women's football / soccer - whether they be players, teams, leagues, historical, administrators, referees, etc. Every little bit helps. Be sure to tag your article talk pages with {{WIR-126}}. These edit-a-thons are a great way to work with others to help bridge the gender gaps on Wikipedia. Thanks for your contributions! Did you know... WP:GNG takes precedence over WP:NFOOTY (which only includes the players in two currently active women's leagues)? Often times there is enough media coverage that meets WP:GNG or other notability guidelines. For more information, see WP:WOSO#Notability and be sure to tag the new article talk page with: {{WP Women's sport|footy=yes}} Current and upcoming seasons for top-division leagues Australia: 2019–20 W-League Belgium: 2018–19 Super League Vrouwenvoetbal China PR: 2019 Chinese Women's Super League Colombia: 2019 Colombian Women's Football League Croatia: 2019–20 Croatian Women's First Football League Czech Republic: 2019–20 Czech First Division (women) England: 2019–20 FA WSL Faroe Islands: 2019 1. deild kvinnur France: 2019–20 Division 1 Féminine Germany: 2019–20 Frauen-Bundesliga Iceland: 2019 Úrvalsdeild kvenna (football) Republic of Ireland: 2019 Women's National League Israel: 2019–20 Ligat Nashim Italy: 2019–20 Serie A (women) Korea Republic: 2019 WK League Japan: 2019 Nadeshiko Mexico: 2019-20 Liga MX Femenil Moldova: 2019–20 Moldovan Women Top League Netherlands: 2019–20 Eredivisie (women) New Zealand: 2019 National Women's League Nigeria: 2019 Nigeria Women Premier League Scotland: 2019 Scottish Women's Premier League Spain: 2019-20 First Division (women) Sweden: 2019 Damallsvenskan United States: 2019 National Women's Soccer League season Have some new articles in mind or see some that need improvement? Add them to the Open Tasks. Was an article you worked on nominated for deletion? See: Primer for AfD, AfC and PROD Contributing to Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussions Request a copy of a deleted article Want some tips, assistance, or resources from other WOSO editors? Leave a message on the task force talk page.

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Hi, Macosal. I see your point about Mariners not having a reserve squad. What that section is, is the players in the Central Coast Mariners squad that didn't have a senior or scholarship contract.

Those sections do not mean different academy teams. They just mean academy players that haven't had contract. If someone is called up to a first-team match-day squad, they go in the reserve squad. So, please do not remove these sections from other teams in the future.

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Hi @FastCube:

The issue here is, as you accept, the Mariners do not have a “reserve squad”. Having a section entitled “reserve squad” is therefore clearly misleading. How is the average reader to understand what you are using this section for? If I read that section and didn’t know better, I would assume those players listed were in fact in a “reserve squad” of some description.

In fact, players of the type you mention belong in the “current squad”. The actual criteria is “In the case of leagues with squad numbers, players should generally only be listed if they have a first team shirt number, have played first team football for the club in the past, or do not have a number due to being new signings.” - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs.

Given the above, and per WP:BRD, I am inclined to make the reversion/change by adding the appropriate players to the current squad list. Happy to discuss further here or at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Australia task force.

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hey, could you enlighten me with sources on Max Crocombe's nationality issue? His article doesn't mention Australia until his signing with Brisbane Roar. How did he get an Aussie citizenship? via parents? --SuperJew (talk) 13:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Hey mate, Thanks for your addition :) Something doesn't completely add up for me though, and was wondering if you have any insight. In the 2006–07 A-League season clubs were allowed 1 marquee. AFAIK Knights signed Scot Gemmill as their marquee for the season in June 2006 ([1]) I tried to find a source of when Gemill left, but all I could find was this saying "Eventually called time on his career in 2007 after spending a season with the New Zealand Knights". So it seems that both Gemmill and Li Yan were at NZ Knights at the same time, and since only 1 marquee was allowed only one of them could've been a marquee. Unless Gemmill was injured and Li Yan replaced him during his injury? Just found this source saying "Herbert takes some satisfaction in having the rest, including Scot Gemmill, Jonas Salley and Chinese players Li Yan and Gao Leilei available for selection," so clear that they weren't replacement players for each other. I also noticed J man708 marked both of them as injury replacement players on the foreign players table on season article, so maybe he has insights. Let me know if you have any insights. Cheers mate, --SuperJew (talk) 18:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Sorry man, it was so long ago, I don't have the faintest clue where I got that info from anymore. - J man708 (talk) 22:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi SuperJew, I agree it is a confusing one, given that both sources are pretty clear in the wording that both were marquees. My best guess is that Li Yan has a higher wage than Gemmill, so the Knights reorganised their cap to designated Li as marquee following his signing (i.e. Gemmill was no longer marquee from then on. I think that could be the only interpretation consistent with the sources here. Macosal (talk) 23:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

I wonder who'd be able to help with this. I'll have a try with some Twitter folks. --SuperJew (talk) 05:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Thank you mate for all the additions and referencing on List of Australia international soccer players born outside Australia! --SuperJew (talk) 18:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

@SuperJew: No worries! Noticed that list was incomplete and figured the Encyclopedia would be able to pretty much complete the list. Macosal (talk) 01:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Dear Macosal;

I am FastCube (Alex), who made a major change to the pyramid of the Australian soccer league system. The reason I made the change is because, the local competitions (e.g. Bankstown, Blacktown, Eastern Suburbs) may not be part of the system, but they are still senior leagues, which means that this should be allowed. (they are not youth or unknown competitions) A football pyramid should contain ALL senior leagues. I find these leagues from Socceraust.co.uk which is a site dedicated to State League football in Australia.

I changed the shape, because this would not work in the current format with each state, because about 25 states/suburb leagues would not fit in it's current form . And to be fair the A-League and NPL are the only leagues that are the real known leagues in Australia. Because there are no sources for the Australian soccer pyramid system, the A-League and NPL are the only competitions that can fit and are known as levels 1-2 leagues. I also added bars which say "Professional Leagues" and "Semi/Non-Professional Leagues", because people would get confused on how the whole system works. Like, they could potentially think, why are these split? The English football league system makes a lot more sense too. Level 3 or lower leagues should be in an "Amateur Leagues" section.

Also, to be honest, I cannot find any sources on any existing competitions for the Capital Football leagues (I can't find the divisions 5-10), and the references in the Australian soccer league system page contain links that just lead to the website or just lead to unrelated topics of any of these leagues. So, I believe the changes should be reverted to my table system as I edited it by sources from Socceraust.co.uk, because this is only site that works and is current at the moment.

However, if you find any other sources apart from Socceraust.co.uk, please let me know in advance.

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Hi @FastCube:

The issue I had with your edits is that it appeared to place local leagues like Bankstown and Illawarra on the third tier, equivalent to NSW NPL 2.

In my view, the true hierarchy is that each state has a number of “state leagues” (e.g. in NSW, NPL 1-4) which are run by the states governing body. There are then literally hundreds of district football federations, each with their own league hierarchy.

These district leagues sit clearly below the state leagues I refer to above in level, standard and esteem. Further, as mentioned, there are hundreds of them. So many in fact that it may well be that they should have their own list, or be listed further down in the current article. However, attempting to put them as high as third tier is not reflective of where they sit, hence my reversion.

I think the table as it stands does a good job of reflecting this.

I hope this clears things up.

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Could you please explain to me how Leena Khamis and Sham Khamis meet criteria, while according to you Michelle Carney and David Carney and Matt Spiranovic and Laura Spiranovic don't? --SuperJew (talk) 17:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

@SuperJew:, Sham Khamis is an Australian youth international (e.g. link), I searched but can’t see anything to suggest Michelle Carney or Laura or Amelia Spiranovic were. Macosal (talk) 18:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay, you should probably update it on her page then --SuperJew (talk) 19:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Chelsea striker Bethany England scoring the winning goal in the team's 2-1 win against Arsenal at the 2019–20 FA Women's League Cup, February 29, 2020. Hello WOSO editors! What a year to be alive. As usual (but perhaps even moreso since there have been unexpected quarantines), there has been a lot of activity on player, team, league and tournament-related Wikipedia articles with all of the worldwide coverage of women's football / soccer. Great work! Fall Focus: FA WSL articles You may have noticed lots of great things going on for the top English league this year: the FA WSL. More (international!) broadcasts, top international player signings, improved media coverage, and increased viewership. Let's keep the momentum brewing, shall we? Here's a sampling of articles that could use creation, expansion or updating. What will you commit to working on? Historical Topics 1921 FA Ban on Women's Football Gender pay gap in sports update Managers Gemma Davies Kelly Chambers (football manager) Emma Hayes update Juan Amoros (football manager) Teams Brighton & Hove Albion W.F.C. roster update, add stadium, broadcasting sections Everton F.C. (women) roster update, add broadcasting section, former manager articles Players Caroline Siems de (Aston Villa) Ramona Petzelberger de (Aston Villa) Asmita Ale (Aston Villa) Ella Franklin-Fraiture (Aston Villa) Elisha N'Dow (Aston Villa) Jodie Hutton (Aston Villa) Hannah Blundell (Chelsea) update Danielle Turner (Everton captain) update Nor Mustafa (West Ham) Natasha Harding (Reading captain) update Jane Ross (Manchester United) expand Kirsty Hanson (Manchester United) expand Chloe Peplow (Tottenham) expand Hannah Godfrey (Tottenham) expand Other England women's national under-15 football team (see under-16 men's for inspiration) See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Women's football task force/Initiatives/FA WSL to collaborate and organize with other editors. Every little bit helps! Thanks for your contributions! Did you know... WP:GNG takes precedence over WP:NFOOTY (which only includes the players in two currently active women's leagues)? Often times there is enough media coverage that meets WP:GNG or other notability guidelines. For more information, see WP:WOSO#Notability and be sure to tag the new article talk page with: {{WP Women's sport|footy=yes}} Current and upcoming seasons for top-division leagues Australia: 2020–21 W-League Belgium: 2019–20 Super League Vrouwenvoetbal China PR: 2020 Chinese Women's Super League Colombia: 2020 Colombian Women's Football League Croatia: 2020–21 Croatian Women's First Football League Czech Republic: 2020–21 Czech First Division (women) England: 2020–21 FA WSL Faroe Islands: 2020 1. deild kvinnur France: 2020–21 Division 1 Féminine Germany: 2020–21 Frauen-Bundesliga Iceland: 2020 Úrvalsdeild kvenna (football) Republic of Ireland: 2020 Women's National League Israel: 2020–21 Ligat Nashim Italy: 2020–21 Serie A (women) Korea Republic: 2020 WK League Japan: 2020 Nadeshiko League Mexico: 2020–21 Liga MX Femenil Moldova: 2020–21 Moldovan Women Top League Netherlands: 2020–21 Eredivisie (women) New Zealand: 2019 National Women's League Nigeria: 2020 Nigeria Women Premier League Scotland: 2020 Scottish Women's Premier League Spain: 2020-21 First Division (women) Sweden: 2020 Damallsvenskan United States: 2020 National Women's Soccer League season Have some new articles in mind or see some that need improvement? Add them to the Open Tasks. Was an article you worked on nominated for deletion? See: Primer for AfD, AfC and PROD Contributing to Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussions Request a copy of a deleted article Want some tips, assistance, or resources from other WOSO editors? Leave a message on the task force talk page.

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@SuperJew: see this video. Macosal (talk) 09:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks mate! :D --SuperJew (talk) 09:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

 

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Hey mate, Do you have any idea what's happening with Dylan Ruiz-Diaz? He didn't appear in their matchday squad and Jordan Smylie is wearing his #30. But I haven't seen anything official announcing he's left and can't find through Google or Twitter (including tweeting CCM's official account but they haven't replied) him being anywhere else. Also I've seen some season previews saying he's a breakout player for the Mariners, while others mention him as a key out. Any ideas? --SuperJew (talk) 06:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi @SuperJew:,

Not sure, it's a good question - the talk on the forums seems to be that he's had some sort of falling out with the youth/NPL staff (just rumors as far as I've seen) and was angling for a move to a Sydney club in the off-season (which would seem to be consistent with his lack of involvement this (pre-)season). Likely to become clearer in the near future I'd guess. Macosal (talk) 04:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hope so. For example, John Roberts left without a whisper, and the only confirmation is mentions that he's at Mt Druitt. Even Joe Ledley I haven't seen any confirmation by the club that he left, only a half-sentence by Gardiner for The Newcastle Herald. --SuperJew (talk) 09:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

The reason that I removed those players from the transfer list was simply because they wouldn't be notable enough to have it's own Wikipedia article despite being transferred into a WP:FPL based team at the time. HawkAussie (talk) 04:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@HawkAussie:, whether or not the individual players meet WP notability guidelines, these were still A-League transfers in that season and so should be included. Macosal (talk) 06:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Macosal, it's Alex and I us to return the discussion of the List of Brisbane Roar FC players article split. I know I gave up this discussion about 10 months ago, but I have a point. Currently the article: "List of Brisbane Roar FC players", it is about 50 kB, which means it "may need to be divided". But what if I tell you I would add all the NSL players into the whole list and it would become more than 100 kB?

The list would basically be double the size by adding the NSL players, which would essentially be more than 100 kB, which means we should split them. With the team more than 20 years in professional football, it would be an endless list of about 350 players. --FastCube (talk) 12:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)FastCubeReply

 

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Hello Macosal, I completely understand why you reverted my edit back to all players having inline citations, but I did see a couple player errors having wrong career years, appearances, goals, etc, so I fixed them up by going through the whole ALeagueStats.com list to correct them.

Now on the subject of the inline citations, I know it's a lot better to have a few of them, but way more than usual. But I added basically all sources that sum up the whole page in the general citations and I thought the inline citations had enough of them from all the other info (club info, records, captains).

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On these points:

1. This is a WP:FL - any changes should be made on the basis that this article already meets the highest quality standards.

2. There is no limit to how many inline citations an article should have - and there are other FLs which adopt the same approach of line-by-line referencing. General referencing alone is not sufficient and does not give the level of specificity you would expect to see in a Featured List.

3. If you think any player stats are wrong, go ahead and list them here (or make them as standalone edits) - I don't think it's immediately obvious what these were just from the list alone. A couple which I noticed you made were incorrect (e.g., Mark Moric is not still at the club, Bozanic was not there for the entire period 2006-2013 etc.) but I am conscious that some stats may have been mistranscribed.

Thanks

Macosal (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi mate, with regards to Australia's recent friendlies (starting against Ireland U-21). Have apps and goals been updated for all games on the U-23 national team page or are we missing apps for some of them? The page seems to be incomplete eg. Arzani has scored at least 3 goals for the U23's. Cheers. Simione001 (talk) 05:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Simione001,

I believe they are up to date, but you're right Arzani's goal count should be corrected. The apps and goals for those games are listed here.

Cheers Macosal (talk) 06:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Per your change, I understand Tagg is Australian now. When did she become Australian though? If it was after coaching the Matildas, I think we should list her as Dutch for the Matildas coaching session, no? --SuperJew (talk) 13:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

@SuperJew: - it was before - Tagg played for an Australi XI in 1975 at the AFC Women’s Championships: link. Macosal (talk) 13:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Cheers! Thanks for the info :) --SuperJew (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

 

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Hey mate, firstly thanks for keeping Mariners' season page updated :) Just wanted to share a little tip with you - the footballbox markup was changed in recent years that you can use * points to list the scorers, instead of having to have <br>. In my opinion this is much easier way to edit, looks cleaner, and is easier to maintain. Just to show the difference I made the edit change here, but I'm not very active this season keeping these pages up-to-date. Cheers, --SuperJew (talk) 06:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay, this is stupid to do it via reverts. We can both obviously agree that Kaltak was signed as an injury replacement for Moresche. Obviously he had to be signed as an IR due to the Mariners already having the max allowed 5 visa players (Moresche, Marco Tulio, Beni Nkololo, Paul Ayongo, Kelechi John). And now Kaltak has signed a contract extension for two more years until the end of 2024-25. To your claim, Kaltak isn't an injury replacement anymore as of now, saying that him being an IR is not verifiable/supported by WP:RS and it’s not for us to speculate/assume how the Mariners have registered their squad, in the absence of reporting from a reliable source. Now I would argue that saying he isn't an IR anymore is the part which isn't verifiable/supported and is a speculation and assumption. He signed an injury replacement contract, the injured player is still injured, and Mariners currently have 5 other visa players so he can't be currently promoted from the IR contract unless one of the 5 is released. You also wrote (and I’ve not seen an injury replacement agreement which goes for longer than the length of the injury?) - where is your reliable sources verifying that Moresche's injury is over? The last update regarding him on Mariners' website, from 6 January says he's unavailable due to injury. Would be glad to know how you claim your assumptions are supported and verified by WP:RS. --SuperJew (talk) 13:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your message. I've set out my thoughts below.

1. We don't need a WP:RS for information that isn't on Wikipedia. We need a source for information that is. So, if we want to include a statement that Kaltak is an injury replacement, that needs to be capable of being reliably sourced. I've yet to see any reliable source for this statement. To say that we need a reliable source in order to remove information is totally back-to-front and not how Wikipedia works.

2. The announcement you have linked from the Mariners' website above about Kaltak's new contract notes that he was, in his previous deal, "awarded an injury replacement contract", but says nothing about whether his new agreement is an injury replacement contract or not (how could it be, when it lasts for 2.5 years?).

3. Your speculation on how the Mariners are meeting squad requirements is just that - speculation. It is not "obvious" nor the only way possible that Kaltak remains an injury replacement signing. There is also speculation that John has been released, but no announcement has been made yet. Possibly they have a less positive injury update on Moresche and have de-registered him from the A-League squad for the rest of this season. The point being, we cannot include information based on conjecture. We know for sure Kaltak is a part of the squad, and if that is all that we can reliably source, then that's all that we can include.

Macosal (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

1. The reliable source for Kaltak being an injury replacement is his original signing and the fact that Moresche is still unavailable due to injury. Once Moresche returns, that merits removing Kaltak as IR.

2. I don't see where it says he signed a 2.5 year contract? What is your RS?

3. Not speculation. Mariners (as every other team) is allowed 5 visa players. They are currently Moresche, Marco Tulio, Nkololo, Ayongo, John. To speculate that one of them might be released (and therefore Kaltak can be on a regular contract now) is exactly speculation.

---SuperJew (talk) 09:39, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

1. The fact that he originally signed what is described an "injury replacement contract", but has now signed a new contract which is not described in the same way, clearly means that we cannot simply assume that he continues to be signed on an injury replacement basis. In fact, it is impossible for us to know this, without seeing a reliable source describe his new arrangements in this way.

2. The link in your original post clearly says he has signed until the end of the 2024–25 season, two years from now?

3. Exactly! There is more than one possible explanation as to how the Mariners are arranging their players within the A-League rules, and for us to pick one and represent that it is the case (even if it is more likely), is pure speculation, which is not how Wikipedia operates.

Macosal (talk) 10:26, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

1. Where have you seen that his injury replacement contract has ended? Where do you see that his new contract is coming into effect immediately? Mariners often sign players extensions half a year or more before their contract ends (as Roux just did). The injury replacement contract is for the length of the injury. Since Moresche is still injured, Kaltak is still on injury replacement contract.

2. yes another two years, not another 2.5 years.

3. Having 6 visa players is wrong for sure, so how can that be the choice?

--SuperJew (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Generally, when a footballer signs a contract, it has immediate effect. But again - we're speculating here. We cannot guess that Kaltak is an injury replacement any more than we can guess that John has been deregistered, because in both cases, we don't have a reliable source to back it up. "Since Moresche is still injured, Kaltak is still on an injury replacement contract" is entirely speculation. It's possible, but we don't have a reliable source which proves it. Reliable sources tell us that there are six foreigners in the Mariners squad, so that's what we should go off. We don't run the A-Leagues and it's not for us to say that a squad does or doesn't meet requirements. Macosal (talk) 10:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Per what you're saying whatever we write is speculation - either speculation that Kaltak is on injury replacement contract still or speculation that he isn't anymore. --SuperJew (talk) 13:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

We need sources for what we write/include, not what we don’t write. As an aside, this dilemma originates from the odd practice of specifying contract types in ALM current squads, which I doesn’t seem to be done for any pro comps I can see from a quick review? Macosal (talk) 13:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

not writing something is giving information as well. --SuperJew (talk) 07:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Mariners' recent signing of McGarry, another visa, indicates even more clearly that Kaltak is still on injury replacement contract. As per allowed Mariners have 5 visas: Marco Tulio, Nkololo, Ayongo, McGarry, and Moresche (with Kaltak IR in his place). It's the most plausible explanation, and unless you have another one, this is what should be used. --SuperJew (talk) 07:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

SuperJew - Ayongo has left the club to sign for a Romanian club (just not officially announced yet). That and Moresche’s imminent return will make it clearer what has happened, but still think it’s not right for you to include information based on your assessment of what is “plausible” and not what sources reflect. Macosal (talk) 11:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

you still haven't shown any source that shows Kaltak has been upgraded immediately from injury replacement contract. Your own assessment is your assessment and not what sources show. Sources don't show either of this clearly. Also your claims about Ayongo leaving and Moresche returning are not backed by sources. (I'll also remind that you claimed John would be released and Kaltak could have his visa spot, but instead John was eventually transferred to Portugal and McGarry was brought in as another visa). Also the 5 visas is per time, not retroactively or over a period. So right now, there are 5 visas plus IR Kaltak, just as before John transferred to Portugal there were 5 visas plus IR Kaltak. --SuperJew (talk) 11:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Until we see official confirmation to the contrary of course Ayongo is still in the CCM squad. But reading between the lines an equally “plausible” explanation is:

• Kaltak’s contract was upgraded at the same time John left (announced shortly after);
• McGarry signed once Ayongo’s move to Europe was locked in (to be announced soon).

We know that Kaltak has a new contract. We don’t have a reliable source as to whether or not that is an injury replacement contract and without that source, we shouldn’t include information claiming it is. It’s really that simple… Macosal (talk) 13:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

unless it says he's upgraded immediately (as was the case with Nkololo's extension), then extensions are from the end of the current contract, meaning Kaltak's new two contract starts from the end of his current IR contract. --SuperJew (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

That’s not how contracts usually work. Macosal (talk) 01:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SuperJew: both Kaltak and Moresche are in the squad for this week’s game so evidently not an injury replacement deal. Macosal (talk) 04:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

how do they have 6 visas? --SuperJew (talk) 06:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

As I’ve said before, suspect Ayongo is no longer registered, even if his transfer to Europe is not completed yet. But it’s not for us to figure that out if reliable sources don’t provide the answer! Macosal (talk) 06:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hey mate,

I was wondering myself about this. I'm not sure what the correct answer so will lay out my thoughts: First thought: say a player's club goes all the way and they play in the Grand Final, does that mean the retirement is on the day of the Grand Final? Second thought: say a club goes into finals (say until semis), but said player doesn't play the last games (say plays quarter-final but not in semi-final), is their retirement the last game of the club or the last game of the player? Third thought: Perhaps the date should be by announcement date?

Third thought sounds wrong to me anyway, as that would cause confusion why a player is playing after retirement. However, the second thought leads me to think that the player retiring at the end of the season means that, after the last game of the season, regardless of what is the last game the player plays and regardless of which clubs make it to the end of the season.

--SuperJew (talk) 11:14, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the question. The convention on Wikipedia to date is the first scenario you have proposed, i.e., the date of the player's club's last game of the season is treated as their retirement date. For example, Adebayo Akinfenwa retired at the end of the 2021–22 season. His retirement date on that page is listed as the day Wycombe Wanderers F.C. were eliminated from the 2022 English Football League play-offs on 21 May 2022. Macosal (talk) 11:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Alright, cheers!

Quite the random example ;) (and he has returned from retirement since)

--SuperJew (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Added the dates. Hope it's okay :) --SuperJew (talk) 20:00, 8 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Looks right to me. Macosal (talk) 12:43, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

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we know bolton bought more medals because you literally see mbete, who wasnt in the 18, with one hereMuur (talk) 00:31, 25 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Muur: sure, but we need to have a specific reference for Iredale having been awarded one - and looking at photos of him after the game (e.g., this one), he doesn't seem to have been wearing a medal... Macosal (talk) 14:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Hi mate,

I guess you're technically correct, the club didn't award a Golden Boot. He was the top scorer, but you're right, they didn't award a Golden Boot. However, he played for the team in the 2023-24 season, so like Marco Tulio, he officially counts as part of the premiership, even if not there to collect a medal. Matt jobe watson (talk) 09:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Matt jobe watson:,

The general consensus at WP:FOOTY is to list "honours" based on which players in the squad received medals. In Torres' case, he was suspended for the end of the regular season and was not included in the (extensive) list of Mariners players presented with medals after their Premiership win. On that basis, we don't know whether he received a medal (WP:RS) and so shouldn't include this in his honours section. Macosal (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The move was discussed at Talk:Australia men's national soccer team/Archive 7#Requested move 24 December 2021. There is no reason to favour the men's team over the more successful women's team. I think most links are corrected now. The Banner talk 09:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, did not notice in time that your change is already a year old. The Banner talk 10:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply