Template talk:Isotopes summary

Of course, making any isotopes table sortable is a great improvement.

To keep in mind. For absolute perfect sorting of half-life values (a time value always, I assume), consider this. Don't bother with figure fiddling, don't even reform numbers (like from y to s), to get the sorting right.

The solution is: use {{val}} (in the /row template preferably). It calculates the number into the basic SI time unit: second (time = s, even primordial ones ;-) ). then, it adds that second value by {{ntsh}} as an invisible prefix (hidden, but visible for sorting). -DePiep (talk) 22:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

ComplexRational I have little understanding of how templates work, could you explain what your most recent change... changed? It's causing an odd no target error on Copernicium (and possibly elsewhere, this just might be the first alphabetically). -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 14:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

If you refer to these edits in Cn: updated from NUBASE 2016 to 2020 obviously. But you must mean an other element.

The red error reference in Cn is because of named reference changes (like <ref name="Hofmann2016">), which work over four element pages so is sensistive to typos & spellings. Will take a look at this Cn. DePiep (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

No I mean this edit. It's somehow interfering with a short form ref to generate a false positive no target error. The target for the SFR is already in the article, and the Audi, Kondev, Wang, Huang, Naimi cite in this template duplicates it. There was no error before the change above. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

(edit conflict) about the copernicium article red message: Fixed here.

Apparently the ref name definition was removed from Cn-284; now reinstalled with Cn-285 as I assume CR intentded. Did not check ref relevance. ​-DePiep (talk) 15:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

That's completely unrelated to the issue, this has nothing to do this the cite error in regard the to "shesummary" ref. The issue is with the reference "Audi et al. 2017, pp. 030001-128–030001-138" (currently ref 28). You won't see the error unless you have them turned on (see Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors). -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I fixed an error message you reported. Anyway, have a nice day further without me. DePiep (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

ComplexRational, I've seen this ref name "shesummary" in more SHE's (ah, so nothing female then), esp in those Pages that link to "Template:Isotopes summary". Maybe you'd want to check & delete more instances. I won't edit in this. HTH DePiep (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

That ref was the most recent source for many half-lives at the time I introduced it, though it has now been superseded (NUBASE2020, the new ref for Cn-284). I'll remove it where it's no longer the most accurate, though I'm unsure how this ties into the template issue discussed here. ^Complex/_Rational 18:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

Sorry let's try this again, to be clear this has nothing to do with the cite error mentioned by DePiep in the last thread. This isn't what I'm talking about, and this error is not fixed. ComplexRational I have little understanding of how templates work, could you explain what your most recent change... changed? It's causing an odd no target error on Copernicium (and possibly elsewhere, this just might be the first alphabetically). -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 14:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

My most recent edit to this template was in 2019 to add flexible parameters for table-wide references: this was done to avoid strictly using defaults, as data changes and sources become outdated, but comprehensive sources were still usable on the short-term when more recent data was not available. However, this has been partially superseded by DePiep's recent edits, which removed the default and so are blank unless a reference is specified. There shouldn't be another reference template being called here, so I'm unsure what this error message refers to.

Also, ref 28 is from another transcluded page, Introduction to the heaviest elements, but I don't see how this would cause an error by itself. ^Complex/_Rational 18:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

My god please just ignore me, trying to fix multiple issues across different articles and misread the time stamps. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

The error is a conflict between the refs transcluded by this template, the transcluded text and the cite that exists in the article. Transclusion and refs rarely works well. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

I've fixed the issue by converting btne refs at Introduction to the heaviest elements to be inline. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

FYI: just today at 16:29 UTC I edited out default reference calling ([1]), checked for safety (no new errors nor data missing). It might well be that you original error has disappeared because of this, don't know. In general, entering but not using a reference tag (<ref>) is very tricky, it can create "ghost references". DePiep (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

At Darmstadtium#Isotopes the table won't fit on the page and falls off the left edge without scrolling. I tried to fix this by adding a max-width but this seems to have had no effect. Hairy Dude (talk) 13:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC) Actually this is also demonstrated in the examples in the template's documentation. Hairy Dude (talk) 13:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply