Template:Did you know nominations/Coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands
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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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Coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands
Former badge of the Turks and Caicos Islands
Coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands
- ... that the queen conch and spiny lobster on the coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands (pictured) evoke the territory's primary industry of fishing? Source: Complete Flags of the World (DK)
- ALT1:... that doors were added to the salt mounds on the former badge of the Turks and Caicos Islands (pictured) after an official reportedly mistook them for igloos? Sources: Government of the Turks and Caicos Islands; Smithsonian magazine; The Guardian
- Reviewed: Breton Ballads
- Comment: Left image for ALT0. Right image for ALT1 and ALT2.
5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:15, 23 June 2021 (UTC).
It looks like the article barely misses being a fivefold expansion, but the prose portion is adequately long. Was the person who turned the salt heaps into igloos a designer or an official? Sources appear to disagree on this. I can't check all sources but I didn't notice any copyvio or plagiarism or any non-neutral content. I question whether we should use the newspaper sources here, though. I think ALT1 is more interesting but perhaps an even better hook could be made by stating that someone mistakenly turned the salt heaps into igloos? Regarding the images, are they coats of arms where the blazon is standardized and the actual depiction up to each artist? QPQ is done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: It passes 5× expansion, because the July 21, 2019 version (i.e. version immediately before June 23 edit) is 437 characters. That means 2,185 characters are required (already met with 2,337). —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: as for the images, I think the left one is definitely a coat of arms with its standardized depiction. I'm unsure if that's the case for the badge on the right (could be faithful reproduction of the design at the time). How's this for another hook:
- ALT2:... that the salt mounds on the former badge of the Turks and Caicos Islands (pictured) were mistakenly turned into igloos?
- Should I specify that doors were added? —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think you need to specify doors. The reason why I am wondering about the images is because if there is a standardized depiction it is probably a non-free image which we can't put on the main page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Would a standardized depiction be covered by expired Crown copyright (as in Template:PD-UKGov)? I'm pretty sure both designs were published before 1971. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that seems reasonable. Regarding the size issue, I think a further expansion might be in order. That only leaves my "designer or an official" question. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: did I not already explain in my first reply why this meets 5×? Here goes again: It passes 5× expansion, because the July 21, 2019 version (i.e. version immediately before June 23 edit) is 437 characters. That means 2,185 characters are required (already met with 2,337). —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hrm. I got some conflicting sizes from different sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: To calculate I used User:Dr pda/prosesize.js, which is the "preferred counting method, and usually carries the most weight at DYK" according to DYKSGA3. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- This leaves only the "designer or an official" question. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:33, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I've worded it in the article to:
"when the designer or an official at the Admiralty reportedly mistaken …"
Hope that works. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I've worded it in the article to:
- This leaves only the "designer or an official" question. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:33, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: To calculate I used User:Dr pda/prosesize.js, which is the "preferred counting method, and usually carries the most weight at DYK" according to DYKSGA3. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hrm. I got some conflicting sizes from different sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: did I not already explain in my first reply why this meets 5×? Here goes again: It passes 5× expansion, because the July 21, 2019 version (i.e. version immediately before June 23 edit) is 437 characters. That means 2,185 characters are required (already met with 2,337). —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that seems reasonable. Regarding the size issue, I think a further expansion might be in order. That only leaves my "designer or an official" question. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Would a standardized depiction be covered by expired Crown copyright (as in Template:PD-UKGov)? I'm pretty sure both designs were published before 1971. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think you need to specify doors. The reason why I am wondering about the images is because if there is a standardized depiction it is probably a non-free image which we can't put on the main page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
for ALT2. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)