Talk:Zammitello Palace

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Which is the actual date of construction of the palace? In ARX Occasional Papers 5, Dr. Stephen C. Spiteri states that the palace was built in the 19th century. I tend to agree with this, firstly because I consider Spiteri to be a reliable source, and secondly because had the structure actually been built in 1675, it would have most probably been listed in NICPMI and there would probably be more available sources about it.

This may be of interest to Continentaleurope (talk · contribs) and Justlettersandnumbers (talk · contribs). Xwejnusgozo (talk) 00:14, 27 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've removed all that stuff, Xwejnusgozo, as the source cited (which currently gives a 509 error) is obviously not reliable by our standards. Please feel free to re-do any of the changes you recently made (though I don't actually think they were really needed ...). I think it would be excellent if you could add a reference to Spiteri. In my opinion the chances of Trump being wrong on this are infinitesimal, and certainly (a) the building is not from 1675 and (b) people didn't build copies of theTower of London in the seventeenth century. Of course it's possible that there was an earlier structure on the site; but that, like everything else, would need a reliable source. Many thanks for all you do to improve articles about the islands. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

• I am sure of what I read in the source but i wont challenge it. Some sources give error when you make them as a link with the title of the source. Feel free to improve the article. It is too short and out of evetything it is the murder which is more outstanding not information anout the building. Why was it named Zammitello? Baron Zammit or Zamitt lived circa 1675. The legend is not fully false. Some changes made by Xwejnu to description were correct.

Continentaleurope (talk) 12:18, 27 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

• The ozmalta newsletter is now back up, and I archived a copy just in case it is down again. Meanwhile, I changed the infobox and made a few other minor changes to the article. I also added the following parts to the main text: The Zammitello Palace is an ornate architectural folly, built in imitation of the Tower of London. Although it resembles a fortification, according to military architecture expert Dr. Stephen C. Spiteri, it is "entirely useless from a defensive point of view". It was built by the Sant Cassia family in the early nineteenth century as a honeymoon retreat, although a few sources claim that it dates back to 1675. The palace's owner, Francis Sant Cassia, was murdered there on 27 October 1988, and the family sold the building soon afterwards. It is now used as a wedding venue. I think the 1675 claim (regardless if it is true or not) deserves to be mentioned in the article.

As stated by Spiteri, the fact that the structure lacks defensive features supports the claim that the palace was built in the 19th rather than 17th century. Back in the 17th century, northern Malta was still sparsely populated, and building a palace without fortifying it did not really make sense then. Other buildings of that era were defensible/fortified in some way or another, for example the Mamo Tower (1657) has a ditch and a bomb-proof hall, and the Gourgion Tower (1690) had machicolations and musketry loopholes. Also, aside from the square plan, I don't really see any similarities between the Zammitello Palace and the Tower of London. The palace's corner turrets were almost definitely influenced by the echaugettes found in the harbour fortifications, but I am not going to mention this in the article since I can't find a reliable source about it. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 14:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

 

Castello Zammitello

 

The Tower of London

 

Echaugette at Fort St. Elmo

 

Echaugette at Fort St. Angelo

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