Talk:Kevin Robert Elz

Purely a test-edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.214.138.11 (talk) 05:19, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

I guess personal experience isn't sufficient here? I worked for a Sydney ISP in the mid 90s and dealing with Elz was very frustrating ... Jmullaly (talk) 11:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

You're not kidding. KRE was (is) a complete douche, and solely responsible for Australian's paying exhorbitant rates for domain names for over a decade. I'm also surprised that most people seem to think he only made money when he licensed the .au namespace to MelbourneIT. Let me assure you he was collecting big time on .com.au domains well before MelbourneIT ever existed; I still have the cheque stubs to prove it! Peter raines (talk) 04:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ain't that so! Frustrating wasn't the word. One more example - trying to register a domain for a busy regional retail concern. Elz took many months to eventually refuse a .com.au registration because .com.au was "only for businesses" and the business didn't have an ACN (Australian Company Number), so no soup for you. I informed him that there are four different legal structures for businesses in Australia - registered company, registered sole trader, registered partnership, and registered family trust - and all four are equal in law. Further, this particular business, constituted as a registered sole trader with seven or eight employees and a turnover in the millions of dollars, had a much better claim to a domain than many a two dollar limited liability company. Els then agreed that registration was appropriate: please send the forms in again and wait. After the usual long wait, the forms came back once again - registration denied because there was no Australian Company Number! One again I explained the rules of business registration, once again I got the OK, once again I sent in the forms. And so on. I forget how many times the paperwork went around and around before I eventually gave up on the bizarre schmozzle and registered a commercial domain in the (incorrect) .net.au space because the (correct) .com.au registration process was hopelessly unworkable. Later on, Melbourne IT was a breath of fresh air. Yes, they were expensive, but at least they were prompt and in the main efficient.

I heard at the time that this bad experience was nothing unusual, and have come across other tales of woe since then. It (the dysfunctional administration of the .com.au space, not the details of any particular instance) should be in the article rather than hidden away here in the talk. I mean, everyone knows about it, surely there is a suitable written source to reference it to somewhere? If there isn't, someone should write one while those of us who were a part of that early Australian Internet history all grow old and forget or die. Tannin (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

As you rightly point out, material in Wikipedia articles must be suitably sourced. Biographies of living people have to be especially scrupulous; the assertions in the article for which citation have been requested since February 2007 should now be removed. Calling the subject a "douche" on this talk page is inappropriate. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I notice that kre's involvement with the BSD UNIX distributions is all but absent from this bio. Indeed references to his authorship of the timezone and quota libraries it seems has been removed on the basis of lacking citation. Dare I say that with any number of online BSD code browsing facilities, these claims are more than adequately cited. Indeed a simple google search of 'bsd kre' throws up lots of archived material (including source code in versioned repositories) from the earliest days of the internet and the BSD project before that. Searching online for archived email and USENET postings by kre can be simplified by adding munnari (the name of the university's main CS hub) to the search terms. Fredqnurk (talk) 02:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

So fix it. Please don't hesitate to improve the article. Don't worry about the finer points of formatting references and so on – someone will take care of that. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

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