Talk:Jane Fonda's Workout

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The result was: promoted by Vincent60030 (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

 

Jane Fonda in 2000

• .... that Jane Fonda's Workout started a trend of celebrities making exercise videos? Interview magazine wrote, "Workout didn’t monopolize the celebrity-led-at-home-work-out-routine trend so much as entirely invent it."
  • ALT1:... that Jane Fonda's Workout popularized the phrase, "No pain, no gain"? Popular Fads book wrote, "...she added the catchphrases 'No pain, no gain' and 'Feel the burn!' to the national vocabulary."
  • ALT2:... that Jane Fonda (pictured) paid for her political activism from the profits of her Workout videos? InStyle magazine quoted Fonda saying, "A lot of people don’t realize this, but the idea for my workout video came from the need to raise money for the Campaign for Economic Democracy."

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robert B. Landry

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self-nominated at 09:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC).Reply

• I'll review this, it caught my eye because the other day I read an interview with Fonda that talks about this video Mujinga (talk) 09:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
• General eligibility:

• New enough:  
• Long enough:  
• Other problems:  

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:   - this sentence is uncited: "Karl stayed in command of the workout video department adding more Fonda titles as well as some by Richard Simmons" and the Exercise videos section has no citation on it
• Neutral:  
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:  

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:   - see comment
• Interesting:  

Overall:   cool article! all three hooks are great, i prefer alt2 since for me it's the catchiest. alt0 is sourced to interview magazine on the sentence in the lead, alt1 is sourced to Hendricks in the lead and not mentioned again in the article, ideally it could be, alt2 is sourced to interview magazine but on the following sentence, so "Fonda used her workout profits to fund her political activism" can also be cited. a couple of citation issues mentioned above. lastly could add a pic if inclined to do so? Mujinga (talk) 10:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the review, Mujinga.

You're right about "No pain, no gain" not showing up again in the body of the article. It's a violation of WP:LEAD which would disqualify the article for WP:Good article but here on DYK it's not a deal breaker. (I'm planning on taking this article as high as I can get it because the topic has such a large body of literature to draw from, even scholarly papers.) Anyway, I'm planning on having a paragraph in the body that talks about the various trends that were sparked by the video. But not today.

The rules say each paragraph should referenced, not that every sentence should be referenced. Some folks here ask for a reference at the end of every paragraph but references elsewhere in the paragraph should suffice. That's the sound of me whining... I have placed a reference after the Karl sentence in question.

Regarding the cites to support Fonda using the videos to fund her political activism, there are a more of them in the article than just the InStyle magazine that I quoted above. The Los Angeles Times which is already cited says, "Around the same time, she was looking for a business to help raise money for the political work she was doing with her then-husband Tom Hayden." I doubled these two named refs down into the article body in case that was what you were looking for.

I threw some references into the table of videos down at the bottom.

ALT2 is the hook that best lends itself to a photo. I have a few image choices lined up above specifically for ALT2. Like any? Binksternet (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Binksternet: yes agree on "no pain no gain" not being a dealbreaker here. This may have changed at some point, but currently the DYK rules state "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient." I know because I have been picked up on it and actually I think it makes sense, a citation at the end of the paragraph could get broken off if another editor adds more information. What's easiest for me as reviewer is if the citations here are the same as the one(s) used on the relevant sentence in the article. Anyway, the hooks are now cited, everything is dealt with except the pic, so we can discuss that. Personally I like 1 the best, but I'm not fussed. Let me know which one you put in the article then I can close the review. Cheers Mujinga (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I've struck out the other hooks and deleted photos 2 & 3. Mujinga, I'm happy with this. Binksternet (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Binksternet: The pic needs to be added to the article, then I can give the tick. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 15:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay, Mujinga, got it done. Thanks for you patience. Binksternet (talk) 16:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Cool that's all sorted then! Good luck improving the article, that Guardian link I mentioned might have something to add. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 16:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply