Talk:Game of Death

Removed this trivia piece that is totally uncited and seems absurd - "Game of Death is actually based on a true story in South Korea, about a Korean martial artist who was assigned to steal a treasure at the top of a pagoda. However, he declined to do so, as a result, his wife and child were kidnapped. He had no choice, but to participate in the mission along with other top martial artists at the time." --OMG LAZERS 14:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

There is misinformation in the GOD summary. Neither Chuck Norris nor Kareem participated in the reshooting/completion of the film. In fact, Chuck was never in it at all -- it was just clips from Return of the Dragon. Kareem declined the invitation to work on the completion project.

where is the names or any information about the guys who took bruce lee place..there were two guys who were doubles of the movie and noo info about tham,..They desrve respect...There were a big part of the movie... [by Anonymous IP 128.97.244.61, on June 19, 2007]

Agreed, in part. I came here to raise the questions of whether we should acknowledge in the Robert Clouse-version's cast list which people appear there only via clips from other films (Norris for one, of course), and whether Nora Miao, standing right next to Lee in the clip from the climax of Fist of Fury, is credited (the IMDb says no). Should we list her even if she is not? I also must doubt the claim that Kareem was not involved in Clouse's filming, as it certainly looks like he was, and the IMDb's page for the movie does not indicate a stand-in involved in the filming as it does for Lee (although I admit to not having seen the film in quite a few years, and won't push this point at all until and unless I do see it again; the Spike TV and G4 channels have run Fist of Fury and The Big Boss often enough, and I think Way of the Dragon as well, so I see my chances as reasonable). --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar participated only as far as recorded dialoge (saying the line "Figure it's done, man!!"). He, however, did not actually appear in the "new" footage. A "double" (in shadows) lip-sync his dialoge and stood in for him in the Clouse version. His identity has been kept a very tight screct even after all these years (and he may want to be identified since the Clouse version is concidered unpopular). This is why his name is now shown on the IMDB page. --Halls4521 (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

...The band Sugar Ray, in their video for the single "When It's Over," included a segment in which one of the band members fantasizes about having a kung fu battle similar to the fight scene between Lee and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The band member wears Lee's tracksuit, his opponent wears a beard, clothes, and sunglasses similar to Abdul-Jabbar's...

In the video, the "opponent" IS Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 25 years older. -- kjv31 21:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

"Lee smashes the surrounding windows, weakening him with exposure to daylight, and finally manages to kill him." Imho he isn't killed. The choke should only make him faint and there's nothing in the movie showing that he died from the fainting. --91.63.98.221 (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Lol, that's exactly why you heard his neck snap like a twig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

True, but to be fair, the neck snapping was not added by Bruce (and at least not described in his original script). It was added by the people who put together the various versions of his film after his death. Also, if, by chance, his character was supposed to die he could have just died from lack of oxygen.--Halls4521 (talk) 19:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Anonymous IP 60.224.3.243 has moved Bruce Lee's name in the infobox cast list of the Clouse-version (and, BTW, nowhere else) from the top to well down. I would have reverted and stated in my edit summary that this should reflect the on-screen cast list, but then I saw the Lee doubles were listed already. Therefore I bring it up for discussion here: Shouldn't the infobox cast list for a movie reflect the on-screen billing? --Tbrittreid (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Bruce Lee is top billed as the star in ALL versions of the movie (including the awful Clouse version). Even if it is a false billing, the film makers billed him as such so the infobox should show it. Besides the article itself already clarifies this fact anyway.--Halls4521 (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

My very limply implied (sorry!) question about whether the doubles should be listed in the infobox stands. Any comment on that (I hope)? As for the main point, I note that in your edit summary you stated, "...those 9 min. shouldn't count because they're archive footage." This may not have any bearing on the article, but here goes. That sequence was shot for a film called Game of Death and the release version has nearly as much running time of Bruce Lee taken from other sources (bits from Way of the Dragon, Fist of Fury, The Big Boss and even Lee's actual funeral—including an open-casket shot of Bruce's body—are scattered throughout the movie). This seems to be mixing apples and oranges, as that was claimed to be a completion of the film left unfinished at Lee's death, the picture he shot that material for. Yes, Lee's plot was not followed, but that was not known (merely suspected, and then only after seeing the picture) at the time by the general public; certainly Robert Clouse et. al. did not admit to it. Besides, there's a problem in that direction anyway. In Lee's version (seen in Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey), there is a bit of dialogue between Lee's and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's characters about Bruce's wanting to get to the very top level and Kareem's being duty-bound to prevent anyone from doing that. Yet once our hero has disposed of the last guardian, he simply goes back down the stairs! And the plot synopsis in the article claimed to be Lee's says he needed to get whatever's up there to save his brother's and sister's lives. Seems incompatible to me. --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Per the doubles: I think only Kim Tai Chung only should be in the infobox since he's the only double credited in the closing credits of the film (in the role of "Billy Lo") along with Bruce Lee. As for the footage from the A Warrior's Journey, I think that for some reason (after calling down for help and asking whoever is was to come up) the person he talked to ordered him to come back down. Since the rest of his plotline wasn't filmed (and that part of the script is still kept screct) we can only guess why the change in orders (i.e. Ordering him down to disposed of him, No longer wanting him to get/see the prize upstairs, etc.). In fact, we may never know the whole plot ever (which is a shame).--Halls4521 (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

One double is actually credited on screen? Wow; definitely list him then.

As for the Lee/Warrior's Journey version: Sorry, but I don't remember anybody being there with him but his friends, nobody who had ordered him to go get the "prize" or a subordinate representative thereof. What's there certainly doesn't play that way: he's beaten the final guard, and he calls down to his friends that he has done so and is coming back down to them, and then starts back down. In fact, IIRC there's nothing in this to indicate an in-story motive for trying to get to the top; the intent yes, but the reason no. As far as "that part of the script is still kept secret" is concerned, the linked-in source at the end of the synopsis ("Original plot") says it is not known that there ever was a full script. BTW, it does not support that synopsis beyond Lee's character name, occupation & siblings, plus the Korean setting; it doesn't say anything else that isn't evident from watching the Warrior's Journey version, which story-wise is very little. Consequently, a far more plausible theory is that the specific plotline given us is not authentic. That's not nice, but reality often isn't. --Tbrittreid (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Sorry it took so long to answer back… but concerning The Warrior's Journey footage, I've looked at it and it does have Bruce's character telling someone to come up and someone calls up telling him his job is done and to come down; he then ask him/them to come up and help him and is told to come down again. I don't think it would be the other fighters that came with Bruce as they should either be still knocked out or already dead. It could have been the locksmith that the link (and the documentary and its book version) mentioned. Of course I've also read Little's book version which has no mention of Bruce talking with anyone outside (or anyone else being there). The footage itself is even interpreted differently (Artport vs. WJ).--Halls4521 (talk) 02:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)Reply

Sorry to bring up an old issue, but should we separate the original incomplete version of the film (i.e. "Game of Death (1972 version)" from the later patch together version ("Game of Death (1978 version))? Should it stay acknowledge that they're just versions of the same film? Please discuss - Thank You.Halls4521 (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nobody seems to have discussed separation, but in a related matter, it seems strange that the 1978 version gets second billing. Shouldn't the 1978 version (and infobox) at least be at the top? After all, the only one that's actually a "film" in common parlance is the 1978 version. The unfinished film seems at best to be historical background for the 1978 version. Joshlietz (talk) 20:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

This is a very confusing article. I agree that it would make more sense to have the released version and then in the section on other versions, refer to the unreleased one.Sudiani (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

In Final Fantasy IV, there's a stage where the character, "Cloud" has to battle different villians in sequence similar to this movie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.214.214.58 (talk) 01:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

The Game of Death: http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/Game_of_Death — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.2.2.146 (talk) 15:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC) [[File:The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲.jpeg|thumb|200px]] --Iurgens (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

That's not a reliable source per WP:RS. Thomas.W ^talk 15:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

That's not a reliable source per WP:RS ? This file is screenshot Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey Iurgens (talk) 15:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for why. Also Wikipedia:Non-free content for why this image cannot be used here, nor in an article except under very limited circumstances.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 18:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

the 1978 film was the official completed version. Just because it was released after his deadt and changed the original story doesn't mean it is bruceploitation.

I have removed the lead image for this article as it seems none suitable exists. The film was not released in 1972 and so no official media or film poster exists for that version of it. The only such media that exists is for the 1978 version, such as the film poster in the article at #Game of Death (1978), and for subsequent DVD releases which are related to a greater or lesser extent. But there is nothing for the film as it existed in 1972, or at least no poster or cover that could be used.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 16:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Lupenquarto, stop reverting the above edit. That image is not an official image. It is just a fan-made poster, nothing formally to do with the film. As best I can tell nothing exists for the 1972 version of the film as it was never prepared for release. Posters etc. were only made later, for the 1978 release. As for the name there are no sources for the longer name, or at least none have been given, or any evidence it is any different from the name in 1978.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 19:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

@: JohnBlackburne

Poster:OK

Name:

• id:Berkas:Gameofdeath.jpg : Cover of the dossier on The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲 written by Bruce Lee, image of documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey.
• zh:File:死亡的遊戲.jpg : The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲 directed by Bruce Lee, image captured of documentary I Am Bruce Lee

Lupenquarto (talk) 21:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Neither of those is a reliable source, and even if considered as such they don‘t say anything except the name was written like that, by someone by hand at some time. It is not part of an official document such as a film poster, press release etc. Maybe that is a proposed name that was never used. Maybe it was the working name before the film was released (many films now use a different name to confuse leakers).

As for the current image that is also not appropriate: apart from being appallingly done by someone who cannot write Chinese it is just a copy of one of the unreliable sources above, and so not an appropriate image. In general images should not consist of just text when the content could be rendered as text. But as there is no reliable source for the text then it is inappropriate and so is the image.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 00:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

3rd source From A parting thought – In my own process in Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's Commentaries on the Martial Way, p. 391 :

[…] I m in the midst of preparing my next movie, Enter the Dragon a coproduction between Concord and Warner Bros., plus another Concord production, The Game of Death, wich is only alfway done […]

(Written by Bruce Lee)

Lupenquarto (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

And that does not give the Chinese 死亡的遊戲. In English "The" is an optional part of many names. E.g. the head of the RC church is usually called "The Pope" but the article is at "Pope". The same here: the film can be called The Game of Death or just Game of Death, in English they are treated as the same thing. They eventually settled on "Game of Death" as the formal name, so that is the name of the article. That it is often preceded by "the" does not change that name. It certainly does not mean the Chinese name is 死亡的遊戲.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 16:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Yes that does not give the Chinese 死亡的遊戲, and The in english isn't important but that (written by Bruce Lee) + this cover (written by Bruce Lee) + this image (Bruce Lee in 1972) YES: Bruce Lee (nor me, you, wikipedia, ecc...) has decided The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲 for this movie. Lupenquarto (talk) 18:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ok my friend? Lupenquarto (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

To whom this may concern, while I do agree with the name concerning the original version of the film, I do disagree with using the cover of a notebook/dossier/script as the lead image for the original versions infobox. It is not a movie poster or Video/DVD/Blue-ray cover image. Also, do not use official DVD covers for it either. As it does not appear to have an official image, we should just leave the image section blank.--Halls4521 (talk) 23:25, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

yes for me ok, the name The Game of Death 死亡的遊戲 concerning the original version + 1 2 and 3 in References Lupenquarto (talk) 00:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

But Halls4521 what’s the source for "死亡的遊戲"? Images are never acceptable primary sources, and even if they were these captures of handwriting indicate nothing other than someone wrote it like that a couple of times. No other source for this has been given, in particular no printed source, which suggests it was never used officially or formally.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 04:16, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Someone? No JohnBlackburne, because Bruce Lee wrote The Game of Death and 死亡的遊戲 (and also this image is important source for 死亡的遊戲). Lupenquarto (talk) 09:32, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Proposal Lupenquarto (talk) 12:22, 21 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Those images are not proper sources. Images on WP are never a source, images are not sources when they require an editor to interpret them, and even if that is ignored there is no indication these two bits of handwritten text mean that was the film’s name. The name they eventually settled on for release is the one in the article. So I have again reverted it. Do not restore it unless you can find a proper source. I have also removed the quote as not pertinent. Quotations are generally only needed when they express something unique, such as a turn of phrase or a famous saying.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 23:16, 21 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

{{help me}} But why hide this truth ?:

• id:Berkas:TheGameofdeath.jpg
• zh:File:死亡的遊戲.jpg

There's no need an editor because 死亡的遊戲 is evident! Lupenquarto (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've commented out the {{help me}} template above, as it appears you're having a discussion with other editors on this article. The template is used to summon assistance from other editors when you need help with editing Wikipedia. It is not necessary to use it to summon the attention of those already involved in a discussion or those that watch this page. --Nick⁠—⁠^Contact/_Contribs 00:05, 22 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

{{help me|Wikipedia:Stewards}} Lupenquarto (talk) 00:29, 22 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Stewards are not responsible for content issues. They change user rights on a global scale across Wikimedia projects. --Nick⁠—⁠^Contact/_Contribs 00:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

The 1978 version of the film is the official, completed version of the film and the only one that was actually released *as a film*. Therefore, the article should lead with the information about the film that exists, not the one that was in process at the time of Lee's death. That would then be followed by information about the incomplete version. 128.151.71.16 (talk) 15:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

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The info box states a release date of 2000. Correct would be 1978 or so, I think. --Meillo (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

There are actually two infoboxes for this article, due to the facts there is more than one version of this film. (See whole article.)--Halls4521 (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Over the years there were many speculations about the colour of the jumpsuit and it´s meaning. According to Andre Morgan from Golden Harvest, they had a yellow suit with black bars, and a black suit with yellow bars. Lee first chosed the black suit, but changed it to the yellow because Abdul-Jabbar´s footprints were better visible.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXKbu9z5aRo

Shoult this be included in the article?

The image was reproduced documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey (minutes 49:12 seconds). There are others, Bruce Lee in G.O.D: Shibōteki Yūgi (minutes 10:16 seconds), etc... 185.167.52.108 (talk) 17:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Also Game of Death Redux (Opening credits) 185.167.52.108 (talk) 10:48, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply