Talk:Eurovision Song Contest
Latest comment: 5 months ago by Sims2aholic8 in topic French name in the opening paragraph
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Theme
editThe discussion is extracted from this talk. Should the main ESC page display the permanent slogan in the infobox like the annual pages do? Smthngnw (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Agree. The slogans for the ESC had been a significant part of the shows like the logo in terms of representation, broadcasting and marketing. Since the introduction of the permanent slogan from now on the whole show keeps the same slogan. I don't see a problem in keeping the consistency between an annual contest page and the main page when they both have a permanent theme. Smthngnw (talk) 09:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't see the need, which is also what the other participant felt in the discussion you linked above. Choosing a slogan moving forward does not override past branding. Please also see here, which is discussing individual year pages and templates. Grk1011 (talk) 12:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- And the current ESC logo in the infobox doesn't override the past branding. I don't understand your point. Smthngnw (talk) 15:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Sponsors
editMoroccanoil has been a main sponsor and presenting partner for the ESC since 2020 (see links here and here). Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere? Especially with the current criticisms of Israel's participation, and the fact that Moroccanoil has its production in Israel (link). No matter your opinion on the ongoing conflict, I think that information should be included for transparency. EiffelHenry (talk) 13:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the link between Moroccanoil and Israel's participation in the contest is explicitly mentioned in relevant sources, this would be a WP:SYNTH issue and violate Wikipedia's WP:OR policies. Additionally, I'm not sure how the contest's commercial interests and sponsorships are relevant to the article on the contest itself. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair points. Here are some newspaper articles mentioning the potential link between Moroccanoil and Israel's participation: source (Swedish), source (English), and source (English).
- I think you're right that this information doesn't fit here. Perhaps it would go under "Incidents and controversies" of Eurovision Song Contest 2024, or somewhere in Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 2024? EiffelHenry (talk) 17:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
French name in the opening paragraph
editIf every country has a different name for ESC, why is the French one specified? 2A02:1810:C419:4700:65B9:C390:C431:4697 (talk) 19:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- The Naming sub-section probably guides us here. It tells us that the event first had both an English and a French name, and that on only four occasions has the name used not been in English or French. So the French language has a kind of special status when it comes to naming. HiLo48 (talk) 02:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The official languages of the European Broadcasting Union, the contest organisers, are English and French, therefore it has dual official names. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)