Talk:Frederik X/Archive 2

Will this page be moved to Frederik X when it turns 14 January or when Margrethe II signs her abdication papers on live television? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

At least not before around 14.05 CET, when she signs the abdication. It remains to be seen, if TV is allowed to extraordinarily transmit from the Council of State, normally the press is not present. Why the rush? Sam Sailor 23:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Oh, no, I wasn't in a rush, I was just wondering and thought it might be useful if other editors see it as well before making the change. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Of course not. Lol. We all know that more than one editor is itching to make the changes from a princely article to a kingly article. Which is fine! Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I think her abdication takes effect (upon signature) at 13:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC), fwiw. GoodDay (talk) 00:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

That is incorrect. It is 14:00 or 2pm local time. [1]. Unless there is media presence, she will abdicate later than 14:15 when she is scheduled to leave the meeting. EmilySarah99 (talk) 10:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

The Council of State-meeting is set to start at 14.00 CET, and Her Majesty is set to leave Christiansborg at 14.15. During the meeting, she will sign the abdication, and according to DR, this will be TV transmitted. So it is not correct to say that she will abdicate later than 14.15. GoodDay is not wrong when they write 13.00, obviously referring to Wikipedia default server time in UTC. Sam Sailor 12:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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82.39.69.79 (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Be patient. The abdication will happen in about 3 hours. Wellington Bay (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

  Not done: I would assume this will be done fairly rapidly after the event occurs, no need to edit request something before it has happened without a reliable source. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them)^talk 13:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I think he’s the first King numbered 10 in centuries in the world. Could someone find any source on that? 82.36.70.45 (talk) 02:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Why is that important? Couldn’t you find a source yourself? Sam Sailor 02:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Apart from he obviously isn’t the first king numbered 10 in centuries, his great-grandfather was as well. Sam Sailor 02:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I’ll go hide under a rock. 82.36.70.45 (talk) 14:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not knowledgeable in Danish noble titles so I must ask - is the King still Count of Monpezat as indicated on his infobox? Does that title merge with the crown, fall to one of his children, or remain held as a separate, subsidiary title of the Crown? JustAnotherEditHere (talk) 09:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

From my understanding, it is customary for a monarch to lose all lesser or subordinate titles, such as dukedoms. However, in the case of Frederik X, it seems that this custom has not been maintained, as indicated here. I actually removed it from the infobox not too long after he ascended, but the royal family's website proved me wrong. Hope this helps! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, Monpezat should be removed from the Royal House sections in the infobox. GoodDay (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

From the Royal House sections, yes, until the debate below about the house to which he belongs gets resolved. The title "Count/Countess of Monpezat" has not been set aside by either of them (1, 2), so I guess whoever removed it from the title parameter in the infobox needs to seek consensus here first because his/her actions are contradicting the sources. If the community thinks that they are not worthy enough to be mentioned in the infobox then we can have them removed. Keivan.f^Talk 20:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll join @GoodDay's proposal to remove it but I'll also state my reasons. Having a comital title featured so prominently in the infobox of a king is preposterous, it gives undue attention to a comparatively minor title. Killuminator (talk) 22:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Concerning the Dutch monarchs, I noticed that the agnatic name is included in Juliana, Beatrix & William-Alexander's infoboxes, but not in Wilhelmina's GoodDay (talk) 22:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

It is, it's just not labeled as agnatic. Killuminator (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did we switch from a more recent picture of a bearded Frederik to an older picture of him as clean-shaven? The more recent picture, obviously, has him looking more like he does today.Wellington Bay (talk) 02:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps we should hold an RFC? It could be hosted in a similar matter to the Elizabeth II one and the Constantine II one. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 03:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Also an older one, but this from 2013 seems to be the highest resolution picture of him wearing something a bit more formal, excluding some coronation pictures that were uploaded to commons yesterday but haven't been reviewed yet. The 2021 one is unfortunately very low res. A crop of the 2016 image would work well in the article, but probably not as the main picture. --jonas (talk) 05:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

The 2021 one might be best. The current one (2018) has a distracting background that looks like something is growing out of his head.

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@Wellington Bay, Jonas1015119, and Newzild: I will set up an RFC, but first, should we include File:24612994-kong-frederik-10.jpg or not since it is quite possible it will be deleted in the coming days? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 07:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

The current picture frankly sucks. Way too much clutter and you cant clearly make out his face. DarmaniLink (talk) 11:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

None of these seem good for me. There are other subjects in the background of 2013, you cannot see his face clearly in 2021, and 2016 is not only landscape, but as the subject of the photo, he is too small, and surrounded by other figures. I have no issues with the current photo. Unlike Elizabeth II and Constantine II. Frederik has not died, those discussions were held to choose a picture that represented how they were viewed throught their life. Frederik's reign has only just begun. If some sort of official photograph is released in the coming days, by all means, go ahead, but I see no issue with the current photo. EmilySarah99 (talk) 10:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Why “is King of Denmark” and not “is the King of Denmark”? 82.36.70.45 (talk) 03:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Because that's how we do for monarchs. GoodDay (talk) 08:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

"the king of Denmark" is a descriptive position but "King of Denmark" is a title, i think we should refer to the position rather than the title per se, especially in the lede. Saying "He is the king of Denmark" describes him as a king of the country Denmark, while "He is King of Denmark" is defining him by his title, King of Denmark, which doesn't really work an encyclopedic setting. It's a descriptive title sure, but a title nonetheless.

For example: "Frederik X, King of Denmark is the current king of Denmark". You could clip out the title to get "Frederik X is the current king of Denmark." For example, Alexander the Great, says a/the king of a kingdom, but by title as King. DarmaniLink (talk) 08:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)