Talk:49th Annual Grammy Awards

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGES MOVED per discussion below. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Grammy Awards of 2007 → 49th Grammy Awards — The award ceremonies are rarely (never?) referenced as Grammy Awards of [year]. Instead, they are referenced by their sequential order. -- tariqabjotu 04:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

• Grammy Awards of 2006 → 48th Grammy Awards
• Grammy Awards of 2005 → 47th Grammy Awards
• Grammy Awards of 2004 → 46th Grammy Awards

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Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

1. Support all per my rationale above. -- tariqabjotu 04:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
2. Partial Support. The name most often used is Nth Annual Grammy Awards, so that's the format the names should follow. --Serge 08:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

   Annual is usually omitted: see 79th Academy Awards, 58th Primetime Emmy Awards, and 64th Golden Globe Awards. -- tariqabjotu 15:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

3. Support - use of the year is not overwhelming, and they are mostly referred to by sequential number. --Yath 19:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

1. OPPOSE — While tariqabjotu is correct in that Grammy ceremony broadcasts are referred to as "Xth Annual Grammy Awards," few people remember them by the number of the event; they remember it more by the year. The idea of Wikipedia, I believe, is not only to present knowledge and information, but to do so in a manner that makes it as easy as possible for people to find the article of interest. Yes, redirects to each year-specific page could be put in place, but that does not change my vote. The introductory suffices in calling each event by its proper name (e.g., The 49th annual Grammy Awards ...), despite the title. I do not believe it would cause any confusion. [[Briguy52748 13:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]]Reply
2. Strongly Oppose WP:MOS clearly states that pagenames should exist for the benefit of the reader, not editors. That's why we have Polar Bear and not some Latin name no-one recognizes. This is a non-issue if we follow Wikipedia conventions. Xiner (talk, email) 21:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

• Move for Grammy Awards of 2004 complete. - Patricknoddy 12:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
• That's why we have Polar Bear and not some Latin name no-one recognizes. This is a non-issue if we follow Wikipedia conventions. Xiner (talk, email) 21:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
  • If you're going to make a statement like the one made in the last sentence, you should be specific about which part of the Manual of Style makes this a non-issue; as I'm sure you know, the Manual of Style is very large. I strongly disagree that this is a non-issue; note the examples mentioned in response to Serge under the support section which show that if this truly is a non-issue, we have been disillusioned for a long time. Polar Bear is a clear case where the Common Names Manual of Style comes into play, given that few people know its binomial nomenclature. However, Grammy Awards of 2007 drastically falls short of being considered a common name; and 49th Grammy Awards (or 49th Annual Grammy Awards) falls drastically short of being considered as unknown as Ursus maritimus. -- tariqabjotu 22:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
    • You're right, hyperboles don't win arguments. Alright, this page lists the 49th Annual Grammy Awards as the name of the show. Various sources seem to call the actual awards either "49th Grammy Awards" or "2007 Grammy Awards". Xiner (talk, email) 23:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
  • Xiner — While I agree that articles on television shows normally should be titled according to their common name, I wouldn't know what article to look up offhand if I were searching for, say, the 1978 Grammy event (the 20th annual show). Unless there are redirects pointing us to the correct page, I cannot support your argument. [[Briguy52748 23:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)]]Reply
    • I didn't argue against redirects. Xiner (talk, email) 23:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
    • Redirects, by default, remain in place following a move, so they would stay. Additionally, wouldn't 1978 Grammy Awards, rather than Grammy Awards of 1978, be a more feasible place to look? -- tariqabjotu 00:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
      • Sorry, I guess I should have known that a renamed page's old title automatically is redirected (and I apologize Xiner if there was any misrepresentation in my earlier statement). Yes, I suppose "1978 Grammy Awards" is a better title. [[Briguy52748 16:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)]]Reply
        • Oh, ok. Yeah, no harm done. I'm still learning on Wikipedia, too. Xiner (talk, email) 16:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

I will not move them for you, you will have to do it (make sure you take care of any double redirects). But if there are any you can not move because of a technical block (like a page history) then let me know on my talk page and I'll help you with those. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Reply