Talk:16th Street NW

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that 16th Street NW be renamed and moved to Black Lives Matter Plaza. result: Procedural close. The target page is a recently created article and presently a non-redirect that possesses substantial content. It is therefore not suitable as a "new" title for this article. The new article has been reviewed and accepted; however, editors may see fit to contest its creation by use of Wikipedia's deletion process. In any event, editors make the point below that it would be inappropriate to rename an article about an entire street to a title that represents only two blocks of that street. (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 06:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)Reply Links: current log • target log This is template {{subst:Requested move/end}}

16th Street NW → Black Lives Matter Plaza – street was officially renamed per sources in existing article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yardenac (talk • contribs) 20:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 03:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

• @Yardenac and Danski454: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 03:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
• The sources indicate only part of the street was renamed, we should also wait to see if sources use this as the WP:COMMONNAME for the street (which, imo is unlikely). Danski454 (talk) 23:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC) edited 23:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

According to Google Maps, only two blocks of 16th have been renamed, so renaming the whole article doesn't make sense. --Atkinson (talk) 06:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

• Oppose. It's only two blocks, not the entire street. And even if it were the entire street, WP:NAMECHANGES would apply. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose. As stated above, Black Lives Matter Plaza, NW, is only two blocks of 16th Street, NW, and not the entire street. D.C. has renamed portions of other streets after people or groups, including the naming of 17th Street, NW, between P and R streets, NW, as "Frank Kameny Way" in honor of Frank Kameny, and the 1700 block of New Hampshire Avenue, NW, as "Delta Sigma Theta Way" after the Delta Sigma Theta sorority. This symbolic renaming of streets serves as an honor or memorial, but it does not change the name of the street or the postal addresses along the street. Black Lives Matter Plaza should be maintained as a section of the 16th Street, NW, article with its own article due to its significant and historic nature. -- West Virginian (talk) 14:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose per the above. Not synonymous, one is a subtopic of the other. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

The Plaza is the focus of a lot of political discussion which merits inclusion in Wikipedia but probably wouldn't fit well the article for 16th Street NW. Given the international press coverage and the amount of information available I've created a separate article. John Cummings (talk) 12:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

@John Cummings: Why did you ignore the discussion immediately above this where this was discussed? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 14:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Arms & Hearts:, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear, to expand on the reasons for creating the article are:

• There is a very large amount of coverage of the plaza in its own right, I could have added 100 reliable sources if I had the time.
• Much of the coverage and discussion about the plaza is about the cultural meaning in the current context of the protests and wider civil rights work, it feels out of place and disconnected to the article about the street. Its a smaller section about a larger road, but the meaning and significance is independent of its size.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 15:03, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I don't doubt that you had reasons; it would have been better, however, to express them in the discussion, then await a consensus, rather than rendering the discussion redundant. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.