User talk:Sphilbrick/Archive 82
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one more type of copyright violator
I found one person who had cut-and-pasted an entire article which had the source in it, then simply removed the source! He then did minimal rewriting, adding "sources" but never again mentioning his original source, nor ever crediting the actual source. When I found it, the editor accused me of somehow being responsible for tormenting him - though a huge number of violations by the same editor have also been found. What I found amusing is that the editor had earlier warned others about copyright rules, which means he knew what he was doing from the start. Type "G" for your list, I suppose. Now back to making sure the hurricane does not hit me :( Collect (talk) 13:06, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Your example greatly out trumps mine, but it does remind me of an example I've seen more than once. An editor copied a long description of an organization, and pasted it with exactly one change — the name of the organization! I may have to expand my list, but I'll have to have a grouping, because well examples a through F are all copyright violations, they all were potential good faith violations. Both your example in my example cannot possibly be characterized as good faith. Stay safe.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- And here's another one! Someone who was told (or claims they were told) by the copyright holder that they have permission to post here, and does so. Again, good faith but copyvio. CrowCaw 16:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, I have seen that. Related to F, but different enough to deserve mention. Commonly, some intern is told to update an organisation's page, and told they can use the content on the org's website. It sounds plausible to them.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
You seem helpful...
Left you a question on OTRS. I assume there is no cross wiki notification going on there. TJWtalk 18:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- My understanding is that OTRS is outside the Wikimedia universe, so notifications don't work.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Looks like I may be wrong, the OTRS wiki does seem to be part of Wikimedia but I think your guess that I wouldn't automatically get notifications is correct. Not sure why. The OTRS system itself is outside of Wikimedia which is maybe what I was thinking of.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:17, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- However, I do see that I get an email notification of the message so you shouldn't have to crosspost.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:18, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Well, it runs MediaWiki but it's not part of the unified login system, presumably to avoid any damage that could be done by a compromised account. Anyway, much appreciated. TJWtalk 19:26, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- That makes a lot of sense.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:29, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Well, it runs MediaWiki but it's not part of the unified login system, presumably to avoid any damage that could be done by a compromised account. Anyway, much appreciated. TJWtalk 19:26, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
A brownie for you!
Thank you for your hard work. Bobherry Userspace Talk to me! Stuff I have done 01:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC) |
Hi Sphilbrick,
Saw your edit at the Greensboro massacre article, and I'm trying to understand the issue (so that I don't end up making the same mistake). It's hard to know what the other user did, since those edits aren't visible, but judging from your copyright comment it appears that he reproduced sections of an original article, rather than stating the information in his own words, and listing the source as his reference? Gulbenk (talk) 12:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Gulbenk: Yes, the editor copied and pasted sections of an article. The source had a terms of use section which seem to allow reuse with attribution but it specifically excluded commercial use. While of course, we are not a commercial enterprise, we do permit reuse of our material for commercial use so allowing the inclusion that material would have been problematic.
- I can temporarily restore the visibility if you would like to see the material, but it was either a direct copy and paste or a very close paraphrase of the underlying material. It would be acceptable to source but it should've been written in the editor's own words.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for that response. I hadn't considered the republication by a commercial site, so that answer was quite helpful. No need restore visibility, and again Thanks. Gulbenk (talk) 15:02, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
A beer for you!
Sphilbrick - You deserve a beer! I want to thank you for your help in fixing my copyright problems. You were very kind through the whole process and very helpful. I've learned from my mistakes and I hope this will make me become a better contributor. Thanks again, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 15:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
Hey, you were supposed to delete both pages! Why do you have to move the page to another page? AaronWikia (talk) 18:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- @AaronWikia: There were two entries in the CSD list, I processed one, then the other. I wondered if it was set up right. What needs to be done?--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:48, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- IIRC, it wasn't set up as a deletion, but as a move which required a deletion. I'll be happy to fix it, but I need to know what needs to be done.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- I've reverted to Ice hockey by country as this is the title that was established by WP:RM. I'm not sure what you were doing there, Sphilbrick. -- Tavix (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Tavix: It appeared in the uncontroversial deletions requests because it was a requested move but required deletion of a redirect. Those are usually routine, but occasionally the requester mal-forms the request, and it results in a small mess requiring cleanup. This isn't the first time it has happened, but it will be the last time I'm involved in one, as I will pass on the next request. After I processed the first one, I noticed another one that seemed very similar and that raised a red flag and I wondered if there was something wrong. There was and I don't know how to reconstruct it so I'll stay away from them in the future. Thanks for the cleanup.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Alright, if you decide to move pages like that in the future, please check the talk page first. There has been a couple RMs in the past, and you moved it to a title that was rejected before. -- Tavix (talk) 21:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Clarification on Thermal Conduction page edits
User Suman B R recently added content to the Thermal conduction page. It was deleted and the following reason was listed:
Reverted good faith edits by Suman B R (talk): Copyright issue re https://phys.org/news/2014-12-what-is-heat-conduction.html.
Could you elaborate a little further for me on what the copyright issue was? Is it possible to view the contribution?
Many thanks! Smojarad (talk) 00:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Smojarad: I have temporarily removed the revision deletion so that you can compare the edit to the source. We can discuss it further tomorrow--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Smojarad: --S Philbrick(Talk) 01:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Sphilbrick: Thank you for catching this. I see what the issue is and will follow up with him. Smojarad (talk) 03:05, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Please be more careful with speedy deletions
From molehill to mountain and now, at least temporarily, back to molehill. I request that this be left alone for 48 hours, and then, the next post, if necessary, should solely consist of an appropriate venue for further discussion
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Reference: Historical pages are not eligible for deletion, nor are pages that have previously survived a deletion discussion eligible for CSD. Nor is it good practice to create redlinks in Wikipedia space (see [1]). Reading is disrupted by the red links now at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beauty Pageants. Hasteur set you up by marking the page for CSD, but you are the administrator of record here. Unscintillating (talk) 18:06, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
No, the fault is not that I created it in the "wrong" space. That's an absurd piece of wikilawyering if I ever read it. There's no reason not to create drafts in draft space. It was widely advertised at the time, including through CD, so there was no shortage of views either through the project or through the wider community. I created it because the OP here, Unscintillating was being obstructive in AfD discussions and multiple editors felt that documenting a specific notability guideline was necessary. The proposal failed but the AfD drama also ceased. As I told Hasteur, there is simply no need for it anymore. I endorse Sphilbrick's action and if Unscintillating really feels that bothered by the red links, he can either delete them or create a new version. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:58, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict):Hey Eggishorn just calm down a bit, such attacks will make you unpopular. I'm trying as softly as possible to find a solution here. Nobody is discussing what your 'draft' was about, only what to do with it and we couldn't second guess your recent chat with Hasteur. The fact is you created a draft based on the word 'draft' in Draft namespace. I should know what the Draft namespace is for - I am one of the people who created it. If you would care to look around you, for years people have been creating such projects either in their own user space or as a Wikiproject sub page. Nobody is criticising you for it, just pointing out that it was not the best place. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:41, 17 September 2017 (UTC) |
Regarding Lester Hutchinson
Sir, I am very sorry for copying from http://spartacus-educational.com/TUhutchinsonL.htm which may be a copyright violation. Thanks for correcting my mistakes. But I would like to ask you if, the information from two other books - https://books.google.co.in/books?id=mScBAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA95&dq=Hugh+Lester+Hutchinson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibuce9hL7WAhUGEpQKHXq5ANsQ6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=Hugh%20Lester%20Hutchinson&f=false & https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Y3d9BgAAQBAJ&pg=PA54&dq=Hugh+Lester+Hutchinson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibuce9hL7WAhUGEpQKHXq5ANsQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=Hugh%20Lester%20Hutchinson&f=false and another website - https://microform.digital/boa/collections/36/indian-communists-and-trade-unionists-on-trial-the-meerut-conspiracy-1929-1933/key-data can be given in the article. Also, the infobox had no information exclusively from http://spartacus-educational.com/TUhutchinsonL.htm. So, can it be reverted? Thanking you, Che12PM 14:32, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Che12Guevara:
- Both books:
- G., Lilleker, Darren (2004). Against the Cold War : the history and political traditions of pro-Sovietism in the British Labour Party 1945-89. London: I.B. Tauris. ISBN 9781850434719. OCLC 60715345.
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- G., Lilleker, Darren (2004). Against the Cold War : the history and political traditions of pro-Sovietism in the British Labour Party 1945-89. London: I.B. Tauris. ISBN 9781850434719. OCLC 60715345.
- are almost certainly subject to full copyright, can probably be used as a reference, and short excerpts, if set off by quote marks or block quotes can be used. Otherwise, the material should be written in your own words and supported by the appropriate reference.
- The website clearly indicates full copyright for digital images, and I think text so I think the same rules apply but I haven't looked as closely at that one.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:55, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Tweaked your nomination above. Added it to Template talk:Did you know and the article's talk page. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:14, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks!--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. I contacted the school where she played and the school where she currently coaches to see if I could get a photo and one of them has responded so I've added a photo to the article. They were interested when I mentioned that it would appear on the front page and asked when it would be. I see that it is now in the list of approved nominations but I'm not sure how to know when it will be scheduled. Do I just monitor and wait till I see it show up in a loading queue, or is there some better way of figuring out when it will be scheduled? --S Philbrick(Talk) 19:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
COI Requests
Hi Sphilbrick. I was wondering if you had the time to review one or two COI requests.[2][3] They are both items I would expect to take a bit of time, but even if you only have time for one, it would be greatly appreciated. CorporateM (Talk) 21:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- I'll try, but I have some prior commitments I must address first.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yikes, you were right about it taking some time.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wish there was some way I could make it easier, but it is always awkward and inefficient to propose changes on Talk in this manner. Editors often say to break it up into smaller changes, but that doesn't actually work either. I understand if you don't have time for it. I also don't mind waiting a week or two if you want to get around to it later. It's not urgent. CorporateM (Talk) 10:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- Big family event this weekend, but should have some time after that.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- Sounds good! Thank you in advance. I will wait patiently for you to get around to it. CorporateM (Talk) 20:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
- Board meeting this evening, but I'm looking at Bain, and should have some comments tomorrow.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
- Sounds good! Thank you in advance. I will wait patiently for you to get around to it. CorporateM (Talk) 20:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
- Big family event this weekend, but should have some time after that.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wish there was some way I could make it easier, but it is always awkward and inefficient to propose changes on Talk in this manner. Editors often say to break it up into smaller changes, but that doesn't actually work either. I understand if you don't have time for it. I also don't mind waiting a week or two if you want to get around to it later. It's not urgent. CorporateM (Talk) 10:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yikes, you were right about it taking some time.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Philbrick! Going through it line by line like that must have been quite exhausting, but at least it has been thoroughly reviewed. I'll pry wait a bit to make sure it's settled before nominating it for GA. I presume you're not going to look at the other COI item later on are you? It's a little easier (three specific problems rather than a full draft), but I figure you are probably pooped out by now ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 16:55, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, that is correct, plus, I just got a call about a meeting not on my calendar. --S Philbrick(Talk) 17:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Thought that I'd changed enough. I know there were some sentences that were the same, but I though they were factual enough that copying direct was fine. Will try again.Naraht (talk) 14:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- It looked far too close for me.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:32, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- OK, fall back position is to start from the text out of the 1920 Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities (pre-1923 means no copyright issues) and then fold in from the other document as appropriate. As for the merge in the 1990s, I'm going to try to make that a separate article as well.Naraht (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Naraht: OK, please make sure your edit summary mentions the date of the source text. There's a tool which looks for copyright issues, and it isn't smart enough to look at dates, so it will help avoid inadvertant reversion if you mention it in the edit summary. While the tool will still flag it, the humans that use the tool will look at the edit summary.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- Will do. I wonder if that tool could pull the part of the tool that converts google book addresses to cite. *that* does scrape the year of publication. See http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D1qoVAAAAIAAJ . I also tend to include <!-- Information copied from 1920 Baird's Manual so no copyright issues--> into the text as well.Naraht (talk) 16:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- OK, fall back position is to start from the text out of the 1920 Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities (pre-1923 means no copyright issues) and then fold in from the other document as appropriate. As for the merge in the 1990s, I'm going to try to make that a separate article as well.Naraht (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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G13
A user might be requesting undeletion of a page which you deleted as G13 – see User talk:Stefan2#Deleting my sandbox draft. However, it's possible that the user actually is talking about the talk page of the deleted page. If the page is undeleted, note that some early revisions of the page were deleted as a copyright violation. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:16, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice I left a note on your page is am not perfectly sure which one it is.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Tajama Abraham
On 3 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tajama Abraham, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Tajama Abraham survived Hurricane Hugo by hiding in a commercial refrigerator with her family? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tajama Abraham. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tajama Abraham), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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--Ipigott (talk) 10:03, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi there, Sphilbrick. I'm really happy to see you have joined us as a member of WiR. With your interest in baseball, you should be able to add many more biographies of women participants. Feel free to comment on our WiR talk page. If you run into any problems, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 13:45, 3 October 2017 (UTC)