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Howdy, hope you've been doing well. I was just reading through Gedeo people and I'm wondering about the last sentence in the last paragraph of the "Overview" section. It seems like there was (or ought to have been) a second half to this sentence, but I don't know what it might have been. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the review of NGC 50! Could you also review NGC 44 and NGC 46 please? exoplanetaryscience (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Llywrch. Thanks for your comments. As you recommended, I added a sentence in the lead explaining his notability. Are you OK ? Best regards. --Parsedan (talk) 07:31, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Ethiopia lover. Yeah I hit the random article button for the other article and then clicked the next article on my A-Z article browser I think. The Italian commune isn't disastrous by any means but typical of the short article which needs to be written properly with a full article... As for you inactive editing, can't say I blame you at present... Hope you are well!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:15, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned your name here User_talk:Newjerseyliz#Commentary in case you want to add anything. Cheers. Ignocrates (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I assume you know about Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#John Carter and you are wisely avoiding the whole thing. I only mention it because I brought up your name in the context of the opening statement you made in the Ebionites 2 arbitration case. Cheers. Ignocrates (talk) 19:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I think the limiting to the last twelve months more or less takes into account the previous history. The impression I get from the talk page is that the arb leading the case is himself going over evidence from beyond that 12 months, which he might present in summary form himself, although I might be wrong there.

P. S. I am rather surprised that it was Ignocrates' request that brought you back, but FWIW that seems to be one of the few things I can complement him one. And, BTW, Ret. Prof. has been retiring on and off for some time now, and I think a review of the noticeboards discussions immediately before the most recent retirement might indicate why. Basically, he was pushing for insertion of material into one article which was objected to by several others. He produced one reference source which supported his addition, but, I regret to say, I'm not sure one reference source out of all the lengthy articles on that topic in recent reference sources is necessarily enough under the circumstances. Honestly, that would be one thing guidelines dealing with such content would be useful for, if, as I hope, they get developed on the basis of this arbitration. John Carter (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Llywrch, it would be helpful if you could tie the arguments you presented in Evidence back to Wikipedia principles. You can either do that in the Evidence phase or discuss it later in the Workshop. What the Arbs are looking for ultimately is evidence of conduct that violates one or more of these principles. Thanks for contributing, btw. Ignocrates (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And John Carter is not going to skate by on Ret.Prof quitting Wikipedia. His conduct was the main driver in Ret.Prof's decision to retire. I can't comment on it directly in Evidence, but the Arbs can read and decide for themselves. Ignocrates (talk) 02:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Ignocrates was one of the few people who made an effort to reach out to lure me back. (Gyrofrog up above was the other one.) Some people will respond to a simple but sincere request to return to Wikipedia, & it was chance that it was Ignocrates. (Not sure if I'll stay: I'm finding a lot of junk here needing to be cleared out, but put there by kooks who may fight to keep it in -- & thus drive me away again. FWIW, none of this material has anything to do with Early Christianity or even religion.)

(2) Please keep this dispute off my talk page -- both of you. Further back-&-forth between the two of you will be reverted unread. -- llywrch (talk) 06:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Llywrch, per the specific requirements for the Ebionites 3 arbitration case, would you like me to add you as a party to the case? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Like I said in response to your comment, in no way was I necessarily indicating that you were in some way being "recruited" to join an effort or something like that, but that I have seen other instances in which one editor involved presents at best dubious conclusions regarding matters at the same time as presenting the concerns themselves, and that such clearly prejudicial initial involvement in any matter can in at least some cases, not unreasonably, actually succeed in prejudicing the input of the people the comments are directed at. Spin-doctoring and posturing are I believe very real concerns in this matter, and I thought it might be useful to know if another such incident might have occurred here. John Carter (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed, regarding Ret.Prof, who has been around a long time, it would probably help to read through his user talk page. At least in my own opinion, FWIW, he isn't that bad, certainly not as obsessive as Ignocrates might be seen as being, but he also seems to be primarily interested in promoting modern theories, like those of Butz, which have generally been presented in somewhat populist books which have gotten some good attention in reviews, but haven't so far as I can tell actually gotten much attention in the academic world beyond those reviews. Like I think I said before, somewhere, the question with a lot of these articles regarding early Christianity isn't so much what reliable sources exist out there, because there are an incredible number of sometimes populist/sensationalist books which have gotten some degree of academic attention, even if they don't get any real support, but how much weight to give them and where to place that weight. Honestly, I don't know in an absolute sense, although I would have to assume that in general, for topics which get substantial discussion in some recent reference books and/or college-level or higher textbooks, those works would probably be the best sources to determine the amount of weight. There are additional questions regarding matters of alternate views and beliefs of specific religious groups, and, all told, there are a lot of such problems. Personally, the only way I can think of to really provide a way to resolve some of them is through some sort of guidelines, which is why I proposed that they be written. By someone other than me. I still think that in a lot of these cases having some input from editors who have seen such problems in other areas, and developed guidelines and other bases to address those concerns, is maybe one of the best options we have here. John Carter (talk) 18:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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You may want to take a look at these recent statements, since they will become part of the official record in arbitration. diff1, diff2 Ignocrates (talk) 16:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to do so. I stand by them. It is my sincerest hope that, in the future, people who engage in FA review make some more discerniable effort to actually see if the more recent, relevant reference sources more or less support the content. Until that day, however, I honestly don't see any reason to waste time here, and will rather be spending what time I have on machines to at least make it easier for editors who do consider highly regarded academic reference books on the relevant topics significant enough to consult to be able to find them more easily, including some probably outdated older reference works on commons and Wikisource, particularly as many of them will be biographical, and that many of those articles will be about topics which have neither changed much, or likely even studied much, in the interim. John Carter (talk) 17:04, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you had to endure that. It seems that no good deed goes unpunished around here. Not for much longer though. Cheers. :0) Ignocrates (talk) 16:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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OMG, it was 11 years ago today! --- llywrch (talk) 21:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A true early adopter! Congratulations on you wikiversity, llywrch! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:09, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I was off-wiki for a few days, and just read through the voluminous material in that ANI thread. In response to your remarks at [1], I just wanted to clarify that I meant that I would no longer get involved in repetitive, time-wasting discussions with that editor, not that I would stop editing the article entirely. I had mentioned in a comment at 16:37, 13 April that I was taking a few days off. Easy to miss amid all that verbiage! Coretheapple (talk) 15:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I responded on my talk page. Yes, I think that it comes down to WP:COMPETENCY, severely. I don't know the answer but maybe a compulsory mentorship is one approach. Coretheapple (talk) 16:39, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Llywrch, thank you very much for the peer review! I left one question at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of currencies in North America/archive1. Thanks, Matty.007 11:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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May I suggest that closing as you did was not the best idea? The NLT indef block can be lifted by a single admin at any time that Memills withdraws the LT, so it does not "outrank" a community-placed topic ban, which, as you noted, was favored by most of the commenters, and which cannot be lifted except by community decision. I would suggest re-closing as instituting the topic ban, that would properly represent the result of the discussion. If the NLT block is never lifted, there's no harm done, but if it is the topic ban would be in place.

Thanks in advance for re-considering your close. Best, BMK (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I do appreciate your request that any admin unblock him post at an appropriate noticeboard that they're unblocking him... but in all likelihood if he's unblocked in the future it will be by an admin who won't have seen your closing note. Additionally... the thread as a whole had already had several people try to close it as moot due to his current NLT ban only to have it reopened by someone else, because as BMK said, a currently active NLT block doesn't make a community tban discussion moot. I would also suggest that your closing editsum might not have been an ideal choice of words to end a community discussion that had that many good faith participants contribute to. Like BMK, I'd ask you to reconsider your close. Kevin Gorman (talk) 20:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By the time I came to the discussion, everyone had said their piece. The thread was down to a couple of people trading angry words with each other, not discussing the topic ban, & even that exchange had gone stale. (Okay, reading those words probably colored my mood unfairly.) The NLT block has stood for a week, with no sign of Memills seeking to be unblocked; either he's gone, or currently using another name. Considering a decision about what to do, while I could do all sorts of tweaking on counting the !votes, the result is not decisive: although a lot of people want him topic banned, they haven't made enough of a convincing case to call it a consensus, nor is it a enough of a majority. If someone can come up with something new to say on the matter, I'll consider re-opening the thread. If he is unblocked, the thread should be unarchived. Otherwise, until Memill returns -- if he does -- the matter's finished & it's time to move on. -- llywrch (talk) 21:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that the thread should not have remained open because it had degraded beyond the point of return. However, speaking as someone who has dealt with Memills a lot in the past - the fact that he hasn't said anything for a week really isn't unusual. It's pretty common for him to disappear for a month or two at a time and then suddenly reapppear and start editing constantly - he's essentially a spree editor, just one with especially disruptive sprees. It would not surprise me in the least to see him get his NLT ban lifted within the next few weeks and be back to his same old disruptive self. Unfortunately, I do not believe that this is as easy a close as it first looks, and is probably a close where at least a brief check on the history of each editor !voting is warranted before trying to write a closing statement. As examples of what I mean, disregarding Memills and myself: the first three oppose votes come from an editor who shortly after !voting went on a voluntary temporary topic ban from gender issues, an editor with fewer than 500 edits, and an editor whose participation on Wikipedia was the direct result of a thread on the Reddit men's rights subreddit encouraging MRA's to try to influence reddit. The first three support votes came from a longtime admin/content contributor not normally active in the area, a longtime editor with a well-thought out rationale who is active on gender issues but is also active elsewhere, and from a long time editor who does a lot of template work and AFAIK has never touched gender stuff on Wikipedia.

If you look at the other voting patterns, you'll notice similar things. Most support votes are from long-time contributors, including a lot of people not normally active in the area, and include well thought out policy based rationales. A lot of the oppose votes are either short rationales from severe partisans, or are votes from people who are voting based on factors other than the facts of the situation at hand. If this were an RFA it would be at the very lower levels of a crat potentially passing it.. but it's not, and RFA is one of the only regions where we assess consensus by the straight numbers. Even a straight numerical analysis where !votes thrown out that were obviously not cast with the facts of the situation in mind would be pretty clearly passing. Though I understand you may end up disagreeing with me even after doing so, I'd ask you to at least look in to it further and write a substantially more in depth rationale than your current one. I suspect that if you do a more thorough assessment of the voting patterns, you'll find that the consensus of policy backed opinions is in favor of closing the section with a tban, not closing it without action. I may obviously be wrong there, but feel like it should at least be done. Kevin Gorman (talk) 21:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By my tally it was 15-9 in favor, just a hair under 2-1. As you said, it would take a lot more work to decide whether it should pass -- such as looking at who voted, & the whole discussion -- to make a formal decision, but I've been on the short side of !votes where it's been a hair under 2-1 (or 3-1) & been offended when the other side insists we should ignore all rules & accept the !vote as passing. So I'd rather err on the side of saying it didn't make the cut. However, even if the topic ban was enforced & he comes back in a few weeks, how can we prevent him from repeating the same behavior? Someone has to remember the decision was made, have the thread bookmarked (while hoping no one deleted/"misplaced" it while everyone else has looked away -- I've seen that trick done), then convince an Admin to act with resolve to enforce it... Best to wait until he reappears to take action. And since you bring up a good point about the fact he is a "spree editor", something more needs to be done about this. I'll think about it. -- llywrch (talk) 22:20, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Llywrch, I've never had the pleasure of meeting you before. How do you do? As you may know, I supported the ban, but unlike some of my fellow editors, I think your close was quite deft. I have no complaint. Your willingness to think a bit more about how best to enforce your close only reaffirms my positive view. Take care and I hope things go well in your personal life, which is so much more important than Wikipedia.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Llywrch: Would you consider putting a pointer on Memills' talk page, to let any patrolling admin responding to a request from Memills for unblock (due to a retraction of the LT) know that there had been a topic ban discussion which was suspended because of the NLT block? Perhaps that would be a sufficient action at this time? BMK (talk) 02:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• To repeat what others have said, I do appreciate your willingness to talk about the close, and to be very clear, any irritation expressed in my posts isn't aimed at you, I just find it frustrating how much time Memills manages to waste, both of those who are active in the content area, and of the administrative process in general. I haven't done an absolute count of !votes myself, though Bbb noted 16-10 at one point - which is still, certainly, under the margin that one would look for in closing an RfA. But 2-1/3-1 are useful rules of thumb in closing non-RFA discussions, rather than anything near binding - people pretty regularly close discussions higher than 3-1 as failed or lower than 2-1 as passed if they view the weight of a conversation (as judged by policy compliant arguments, who is involved, etc) as favoring the other side - and I think pretty much everyone would agree that doing so is not inherently a supervote.

The problem in my mind with closing the discussion based simply on numbers is that it treats the votes of editors who only have a few hundred edits and no well-formed rationale as equal to the votes of people like Nick-D - a long time admin responsible for more FA's and GA's than I feel like counting - who put forth a well-formed rationale with his support !vote. In my mind, those two votes shouldn't be given equal weight when trying to figure out where consensus lies - both because Nick-D is infinitely more familiar with our policies and what it's like to actually work on content than someone with 3 or 400 edits is - and because a well-formed, justified rationale should generally be treated with more weight than one that isn't. I haven't gone through the full thread myself to try to figure out how I would fully assess consensus, but I'm pretty confident that if votes made by editors that didn't fall in line with the guidance provided by WP:CONSENSUS that the numeric count would certainly look a lot different and the complete evaluation of consensus would as well. The line I mean from that page is "The closer is there to judge the consensus of the community, after discarding irrelevant arguments: those that flatly contradict established policy, those based on personal opinion only, those that are logically fallacious, those that show no understanding of the matter of issue."

I could be wrong in supposing that, but given the amount of administrative effort Memills has already consumed and the fact that I do think he's fairly likely to return under that name and get the NLT block lifted at some point after it's clear he's not tbanned (besides his history of doing so through seven previous sanctions, if you look at his deleted userpage, you'll see another reason why I suspect he's pretty attached to that name,) I feel like it's worth fully assessing the consensus of the AN section currently open, instead of just giving it the cursory assessment that is usually sufficient to close an AN section. I realize that that's a pain in the ass to do - but I feel like it's better done now than done six months from now when there is another incredibly long AN section dealing with Memills and the waters are about as murky. If you do do a more in-depth analysis of the section and disagree with me about where consensus lies I certainly won't argue about it - I just feel like an in-depth analysis is, unfortunately, necessary. Anyway, thanks again for being willing to discuss the close. Kevin Gorman (talk) 03:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a couple of small modifications to the close. I believe those will either satisfy everyone -- or dissatisfy the smallest number of people. (Now to return to researching sources for the lists at Eponymous archon... ) -- llywrch (talk) 07:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Llywrch. Because I've just unblocked Memills, I've also undone your close of the AN thread about him. I've moved your closing comments to the bottom of the section for (I hope) clarity, but if you would rather place them somewhere else or remove them altogether, please feel free to do so. Cheers, Yunshui ^雲_水 09:02, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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	And actually, you deserve an award for making such a tricky close in the first place - for my part, I think you handled the whole situation pretty damn well. Yunshui 雲水 09:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at Ronz's recent conduct, given your observations at ANI. I'm seeing the same problems, now over a Playboy-related list he wanted deleted, all under the claim of BLP and "promotional" violations that he never substantiates (the same policy areas as the previous ANI thread, I see), and rebuttals to which he never addresses. AFD here, showing his tendentious argumentation, not the main problem in and of itself, but indicative of him accusing everyone else of poor conduct for legitimate criticism of his own (even mere criticism of his arguments). While the AFD was pending, he blanked the list twice to bare names on the same theory as his disputed (and now-rejected) AFD nomination,[3],[4] and then continued to edit war with myself and a few other editors to blank sections of content, all while claiming he's trying to "collaborate" (as seen on the list's talk page). See also what I can only understand as an attempt at goading or trolling by him on my talk page. Your thoughts are appreciated, or your action as an admin if you judge it appropriate at this point (had I not been involved, I certainly would have blocked him by now). He's basically promised to keep at it,[5] and has not acknowledged or shown awareness that he may have done anything wrong in the slightest. Did anything come of the mentoring suggestion at ANI? In my experience, editors never change when conduct of this nature persists for years. postdlf (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Milowent:, who has also been dealing with him on this, and is probably not yet aware of the previous ANI and block for the same conduct. postdlf (talk) 17:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Greetings. I was not aware of the previous ANI and block, but I'm not shocked at all. Since I'm not an admin, I get to have more fun jousting with people like Ronz (though I try to keep some humour in it, of course), but he is being rather disruptive.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair question, @Postdlf:. I'm "semi-retired" in that I don't have the time or interest to devote as much energy or resources to Wikipedia as I should, I try hard not to look for trouble, & I am very likely to drop out of threads/policy discussions/etc. despite their importance due to other calls on my time. However, in this case I did draw a line in the sand a longtime ago & so trouble has found me. Let me look into this & hopefully I'll handle this in a prompt manner. -- llywrch (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I really appreciate it. I'm also going to ping @Guy1890: to make him aware of this thread, as he's also been exasperated and contemplating requesting uninvolved admin assistance. Guy, hold off on anything for now until Llywrch has had a chance to look everything over. postdlf (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• I have recently (last nite) become aware of a lot of Ronz's past disruptive behavior, and, given that the past (since at least 2010) is basically repeating itself again now, I feel very strongly that further administrative action is necessary against Ronz. While I hate going to AN/I, I do feel that that would be the fairest way to go about dealing with this situation. I have a preliminary AN/I complaint pretty much ready to go at this point. Enough is enough people... Guy1890 (talk) 20:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree entirely with your feelings, but please let's wait for Llywrch's response before you post it, as they may have a solution that obviates the need. postdlf (talk) 20:59, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I spent a few hours between projects here at work looking over Ronz's history, & made an attempt to handle this. I doubt I'll make anyone happy. On one hand, Ronz has not done anything that clearly deserves sanctioning for: being obnoxiously stubborn about a Wikipedia article is not grounds for a block or a ban. And he's done enough good work elsewhere that it's hard to see him doing this as trolling. (If anything, this suggests he's simply being overzealous in fixing what he considers a problem.) On the other hand, I strongly suggested that he walk away from this dispute, since I don't see this ending well for anyone involved.

That said, it's quitting time here, & I have a long painful commute home (then helping with dinner & putting Rachel to bed) so I won't be immediately available to respond to comments. -- llywrch (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I removed your question [6]. Thanks for your concern but it's a bad idea to mention oversightable stuff on such a public place as ANI. As someone replied before I removed, you should check out Wikipedia:OVERSIGHT to request oversight. You can email them via this link Special:EmailUser/Oversight if you have an email assigned to your account (which it seems you do since I can email you). Nil Einne (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for reverting the redirect edit on the Equites article.

In relation to the 'good article' tag: I think it was originally tagged on the "Equites" article before that article was converted to the "Roman aristocracy" article. Therefore it should probably stay with the Equites article but be removed from the Roman aristocracy article. The Roman aristocracy article has very serious problems in any event, and should not be listed as a good article. What do you think?

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I'm not going to get involved; I have too many articles I'm struggling with to take on one more. Further, per the talk page there are some significant issues with both copies of the article so perhaps the GA rating should be removed entirely. It appears that @EraNavigator: originally moved the article to its current location. You should discuss this with her/him. -- llywrch (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you protect the right article? There has been no vandalism and everyone has been cooperative. There aren't any reverts in about 48 hours, while a lot of good work has been done including good discussions on the talk page. A bunch of new editors came to the article today, due to the AfD, and have all been working to improve it. The protection will put a stop to further work on the article. -- GreenC 23:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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As the proposed topic ban was defined as an "indefinite topic ban from the military pages about India and Pakistan", I guess that you should inform NawabMalhi and TheSawTooth about the outcome and also log an entry to WP:EDR. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:02, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just read your notifications, although the topic ban covers all "military pages about India and Pakistan", not just Battle of Chawinda. Can you reword? Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:32, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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