Talk:Cerbat mustang

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You may find this subpage of mine helpful: User:White Arabian Filly/Editing horse articles. It shows the formula we use. You can also look at the Kiger Mustang article to get an idea of the way we like to do things. It's reached Good Article status, meaning it's been reviewed and approved by experienced editors as being neutral, informative and clear. Cheers! White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 16:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, This article you have drafted is one we'd really like to have, so please let us know if we can help further. I'm going to take a quick run through your draft and flag where it can be improved. Montanabw^(talk) 23:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys, you guys are already helping me so much! Horsegeek (talk) 23:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

Just a note not to add pics unless you're sure they're of Cerbats. It sucks, but we have to use pictures that are freely licensed and that's why many articles have bad pictures or none at all. White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 00:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So, is there ways to make already graded articles good articles?

Horsegeek (talk) 03:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply]

Yes, I just got done with doing that with one of mine. (They all start out as graded, mostly stub or start, and then are graded upwards to C, B, and so on as they get improved.) See Talk:Bud Dunn (the one I just got to GA) for some of the criteria. You can also see the good article criteria for ideas. One thing I've learned is that you have to be incredibly picky about sources and formatting them off so it shows the page number and ISBN for books, etc, etc. It's hard, but it can be done. I would be willing to help out, since I've now done one GA. White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 17:05, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited on this one too much to be a GA reviewer for it, but I'd be glad to offer comment and advice -- and ping a good reviewer for you when it's time. (Heck if I help, maybe I can get co-editor credit, I need wikicup points! LOL!) One tip: Photographs taken by federal employees in the course of their federal employment are public domain, so if the BLM has photos clearly identified as from the Cerbat HMA, you can "legally" upload them to commons (sadly, Pinterest posts will probably get deleted, copyright is a bugbear on Wikipedia, I get why, but it's still a bugbear!) Montanabw^(talk) 00:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I made a couple of edits to toss material that is incorrect. Just had a long debate over origins of Mustangs generally at the Mustang article (it's still a drama, actually) but one thing we agree on is that researchers have disproven the theory that any modern horses in the southwest descend from those of Coronado. I also removed the material on transferrin, as discussed below. I do think there's a lot more material that can be added to this article, but let's stick to reliable sources. Montanabw^(talk) 09:11, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need multiple sources to verify a single fact, and some cites didn't verify what the article claimed, so where that happened, I tossed the material or kept the best one and am parking the others here in case they are handy for something else. See WP:RS for general guidelines, but I'd be happy to answer question here too. Montanabw^(talk) 08:48, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• "Bay roan Cerbat Mustang". Retrieved 7 February 2016.

(Horse-genetics.com is a good site for getting an overview, but for a footnote, citations to the actual underlying studies are better, can be used, but doesn't quite meet WP:SCIRS )

• "Arizona". Retrieved 7 February 2016.

(This site is sometimes useful, but has a advocacy slant, so again, it's better to find a more scholarly source to back up claims made here when possible)

• "Mason's World Dictionary of Livestock Breeds, Types, and Varieties". Retrieved 7 February 2016.

(OK source for alternate name, but otherwise material is covered in existing sources)

• "Inside the Cerbat Mustang". Retrieved 7 February 2016.
• "American Herds: Spanish Cerbats". Retrieved 7 February 2016.

(With a few exceptions, we can't use blogs as a source on wikipedia)

The material on transferrin failed verification; transferrin is defined here. It is not something rare or unique. Cothran may have a study saying these horses have something different about their transferrin, but I haven't found it yet. Montanabw^(talk) 08:57, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These are often good sources for a general overview, though sometimes they have errors and should not be viewed as gospel.

• Lynghaug, Fran (2009). The official horse breeds standards book : the complete guide to the standards of all North American equine breed associations. Minneapolis: Voyageur Press. ISBN 9780760334997.

• Dutson, Judith (2005). Storey's illustrated guide to 96 horse breeds of North America. North Adams, MA: Storey Pub. ISBN 9781603429184.

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