User talk:Vicenarian/Archive 3

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In which I receive a barnstar for my itchy Huggle trigger finger.
The Original Barnstar You beat me three times today, twice with users I have already reverted! N.B. You aren't sleeping! —Coastergeekperson04's talk@Jul/20/09 00:55 [1] I pressed the rollback button, it reverted, it saved, I check the history, and- ??? —Coastergeekperson04's talk@Jul/20/09 01:18 I'm just that good. :-) Vicenarian (T · C) 01:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

In which I am just that awesome and Spongefrog (talk · contribs) does his job.

That was awesome. Stephen Colbert. LOL. Cactusjump (talk) 16:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Thank you. As you can see, while I try to remain neutral, as is my duty as a Wikipedia editor, there are certain occasions where I won't pull punches. Vicenarian (T · C) 17:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Not only was it funny, but it was well-articulated. Bravo. Cactusjump (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC) The Barnstar of Good Humor For maintaining good humor through vandalism, edit warring, general ignorance, and just making me laugh amidst the chaos of editing, I award thee this barnstar. May your sarcasm, wit, and good acumen continue to prevail. Cactusjump (talk) 17:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I humbly accept your gracious award. Thank you very much. Great work on the Tiana article, by the way. I just read it top-to-bottom and I couldn't find fault (and I'm picky)! :) Vicenarian (T · C) 17:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Woo-hoo! What a compliment! :) Cactusjump (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC) You know something. You've almost got as many good humors as me now. Well, not really... Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 18:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC) By the way Cactus guy, I have to say thankyou on behalf of Vicenarian. So here it is - Thankyou. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer of help @User talk:74.230.35.110, Vicenarian. This person (I'll restrain myself and be polite!) has caused so much unneccesary work and disruption - here, on cy: and probably several dozen other Wikipedia editions as well - that he deserves to have the plug pulled on his internet activities for good, if only that were possible! Just let me know where and how to contribute to this and I'll do what I can. Pity we're not as well organised as en: in these matters, but I can trawl through our block logs and other sources (I have a few notes as well) to come up with the data. Regards, Enaidmawr (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, in terms of plug pulling, there has been talk of filing an abuse report with his main IP; I'll talk to my peers who've been involved in the fight and get back to you. I'm sure your data would be helpful in our report. Cheers, and happy editing, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

You say that I am "welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia", but how can I when User:AnmaFinotera undoes my contributions? On occasion it has taken a day-long debate just in order to put a simple sentence into an article and it has to be her words and no-one else's. What I put in she takes out. How can you work under such conditions? Put yourself in my place.--Marktreut (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand your frustration. I have been in your shoes. Editing can be a difficult process. However, Wikipedia provides ways to resolve disputes without resorting to name calling, which is essentially what you did here; it's neither civl, nor is it helpful for your cause. Remember, cooler heads more often prevail. Take care, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 15:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

As I prefer not to continue interacting with Marktreut, could you perhaps act as a neutral party to look at his actions at Characters of The Adventures of Tintin. He has edit warred there over images with multiple editors and continues trying to add WP:OR to it. It also appears he may now be using an IP to try to continue reverting against consensus.Special:Contributions/79.67.191.98 He's been reverted by multiple editors but continues doing these actions. His remarks about me are a complete miscategorization as well. He was reverted by multiple editors who have repeatedly told him that his minor trivia and OR additions are not useful additions, but instead he edit wars and continues trying to shove it in and then spends a day complaining on my talk page. It has nothing to do with "my words" considering I didn't write most of the list he complains about (which makes his vandalism of that list even sillier...he didn't "destroy" my work, but others like he likes to accuse me of doing). The fact is that list has multiple experienced editors from the Anime/manga project watching it and others would have reverted it as well. I'm just usually first because I'm online at the same times he is. He's also done similar style editing warring at A Hard Day's Night (film), where he tried to introduce spurious information into a GA class article. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to take a look and advise as a neutral arbiter. I'm a bit busy today, but I will see what I can do. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 14:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I would actually first refer you to WP:DISPUTE for assistance. While I would be glad to help, I am still relatively new, and the procedures available there will allow more experienced users to step in. As for content, you may want to open a request for comment or request mediation. As for behavior, you may wish to post a wikietiquette alert. I hope this helps. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 16:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Today I joined the Mediation Cabal, which is an informal forum for helping to resolve content disputes. That might be a good place to go. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 00:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Your userpage looks pretty cool with my frame around it. Javert ^{(T · C)} 18:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh? Show me. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Put {{user:Javert/frame}} at the top of your userpage and then click "Preview". It's pretty good stuff. Javert ^{(T · C)} 18:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It does look good, but people already think we're the same person. ;) Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

We aren't? Javert ^{(T · C)} 18:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Are we? Vicenarian 19:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

←Haha, nice. :) On a different note, Eganjt would like you to remove the {{whois}} from his IP talk page. I have no problem doing so, but wanted to check with you first since you were the person to put it on there and I really have no experience with such matters. Javert ^{(T · C)} 19:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

As a show of good faith, I will do so. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

←Can I have that frame thing? Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Cool beans, perhaps someone should help him to understand that he's actually more anonymous with an account? Javert ^{(T · C)} 19:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Me? Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

No, sorry, Eganjt (talk · contribs). Javert ^{(T · C)} 19:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured it out after I clicked save. He won't really be anonymous now, he's just told everybody his IP. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Can I have that trout thing too? Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

←You told me your IP. Javert ^{(T · C)} 19:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Take the trout, anything that's mine is yours, Sponge, no asking required. I told Javert my IP once, in IRC, though my CURRENT one will be known to me and CheckUsers only. :) Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

(And, possibly, my ISP, if they cared to check.) Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't really mind people knowing my IP, it changes a lot, and they can't tell much about me from it (as far as I know). And it gives incorrect information about my location. Meh. Thanks for the trout BYT, I really love that image. And the caption. I visit the page practically every day just to look at it. Really, I do. I'm going to set it as my wallpaper thing (provided that it's free, of course, if you get my meaning). I'm beginning to sound a little obsessed, so I'll stop, and go change passed away to died. Merry Christmas! Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 20:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I see you edited your page to remove my comment. Don't like it when others edit your page? I feel the same way. Please do not edit User:Eganjt again. I guess you can edit the IP address page all you want, I do not own it per se. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.7.17.3 (talk • contribs)

I reserve the right to remove any comments I see as uncivil from my talk page. That being said, please see your talk page for my response. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Constructive contributions are appreciated and strongly encouraged, but your recent edit to the userpage of another user may be considered vandalism. In general it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing others' userpages without their permission. Instead, please bring the matter to their talk page and let them edit their user page themselves if they agree on a need to do so. Please refer to Wikipedia:User page for more information on User page etiquette. Thank you. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

If you are the user in question, please log in to your account to edit your user page. Thank you. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

there's absolutely nothing that says only the user of an account can edit their user page. That being said, I am the user who owns the page. There's also nothing that says I have to log on to edit, and I prefer not to. QUIT EDITING MY PAGES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.7.17.3 (talk • contribs)

It's considered highly discourteous to edit the user page of another user without permission, and without logging on, we have no way of knowing that you really are, in fact, this user. Please also remember to remain civil and assume good faith of other editors; you also don't "own" any page here. Thank you. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you saying I don't "own" my user page? I realize that wikipedia owns their own webpages, but thanks for the patronizing comment anyway. It's also considered highly discourteous to revert a page several times using a bot without putting any thought into it. My edit was perfectly legitimate, but because you are using a bot, and can't spare 2 mins to look at history pages (or even read the content of the user page, which explains how I pretty much only edit anonymously) you made an error. Whether your intent was righteous or not doesn't matter to me, because you are the 3rd person in 10 mins to revert the page so nonchalantly. Also, I've left comments on the 2nd and 3rd people's talk pages (which they've removed immediately, guess they dont' want others to know they made a mistake using bots without thinking) because they edited MY page. I don't AGF when my own user page is reverted 3 times in a row, and then my objections are stricken from the editor's pages, as if they do not want anyone to know they messed up (and btw they didnt' go back and revert their reversions). I'm assuming these are Admins who are doing the editing becaues they are warning me and using bots. They should know better, or at least be more cautious in what they are doing. They are being extremely frustrating, solely within the confines of "my" user page. If this was a main page article, I'd be more CIVIL and AGF. THis is my person user page, which NO ONE but my self has edited. It's not going to get vandals... use common sense. And I know I am within policy, however discourteous you think it is, to edit my own page without logging on. Please do not revert it again, and if you have some way to keep people with bots from reverting it, I suggest you do so before they get a lot of angry comments from me later on. BTW, copying this to your talk page, feel free to sweep it under the rug so no one knows —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.7.17.3 (talk • contribs)

I can't believe you people can't respect my 'right' to edit anonymously. I'm sorry if I was uncivil, but I've been treated no better this entire time (by admins, no less). Eganjt (talk) 18:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

We have no objections to you editing "anonymously" in a constructive manner. Now that you have logged in, I don't think you will find any objection to you editing your user page; we often encounter user page vandals under an IP who pretend to be the user, but are actually not, so that's a big red flag to us. We have no way of knowing it's really you until you log in, so we err on the side of protecting the user page. I would also note that editing under your IP address is much less anonymous than under a user name, as your IP is posted for all to see. That said, I apologize if you've been hurt or offended. It certainly was not intended. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I can understand how this could potentially be a problem. I did take offense to you pulling the "AGF" card when you were essentially assuming bad faith thinking I was a vandal. You were right, I didn't, and I apologize for that. Just know it wasn't personal either, you just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back, in the form of the 3rd or 4th revert. I don't like to sign in. I also don't like to sign my posts, but will do so for now to keep things simple. About the anonymous thing, it is more so people don't see my name (eganjt ain't too creative) and possibly connect it with the real person. This is simply because I'm at work, and often the articles I edit could be read by other people here, who would then realize I'm spending too much time on wikipedia! The IP address is shared, so it offers a little more anonymity, especially since I'm a memember of the wikipedian's who've opted out of automated signatures. Since this is all behind us, could you please remove the banner you've put on the IP user page? I don't want to get in trouble for removing warnings, but since they are moot at this point, I'd rather they go.Eganjt (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed the box. You're right, I did assume bad faith, but I hope you understand that it came from a desire to protect (what turned out to be) your user page from (what could have been, for all we could tell at the time) vandalism. As for anonymity, though, I know that most IT departments can usually find out exactly which terminal was accessing Wikipedia at a given time (if they wanted to, most don't actively track). Maybe try changing to a user name that's a little more creative? That would protect your identity from your employer, your coworkers and the rest of Wikipedia. Cheers and happy editing, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again, I think I will take your advice and come up with a new user name. If I do, do I need to delete my other account?Eganjt (talk) 20:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The easiest thing would probably be to go to WP:CHU and request a rename to whatever you decide upon. Best, Javert ^{(T · C)} 20:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Javert, for anonymity, I wouldn't advise that, as that would keep a public record tying the old username to the new one. Also, it's not possible to delete an account, unfortunately. My advice: Log out of your current username and never use it again. Create a new username and then stay away from the talk/user pages of Eganjt and your IP, and also don't comment on any of our pages with your new name. I would also stay away from pages you used to edit frequently under your IP or username, for at least a little while. That way, you can disappear and reappear with a fresh start, with nothing to tie you to your old name or your IP. You will be truly anonymous and it will be like this whole kerfuffle never happened. Cheers, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 20:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, the old WP:RTV. Good show, old chap. :) Javert ^{(T · C)} 20:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

YES! THAT is what I wanted to cite, but I couldn't for the life of me remember what it was called. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 20:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

←I am quite a deity, no? Javert ^{(T · C)} 20:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, check out what it says here... WP:RTV#What vanishing is not. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

So, apparently, I was correct at the onset. Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes and no. WP:CHU doesn't allow you to disappear and reappear anonymously. However, I don't see a reason why someone (IF that someone has not violated policy, been blocked, banned, etc.) can't simply stop using an old account and come back under a new one, provided the new account isn't used for abusive sockery. It's more along the lines of WP:SOCK#LEGIT. (And that's a BIG if - you can't come back under a new username to evade a block, continue an edit war, etc etc etc.) Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You make good points. Per WP:IAR, I would agree that if the user is in good standing and simply wishes to "start over" then WP:RTV should be invoked. Just my opinion, though. Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

We are in agreement, and apparently, so is policy. See "Clean start under a new name" under WP:SOCK#LEGIT. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, good. Nice detective work. :) Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I readz gud. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

←Better than you spell at least..;) Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Will you please look at this and tell me why I don't understand what SmackBot is doing? Javert ^{(T · C)} 19:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

SmackBot (talk · contribs) does maintenance tag fixes, and also Template:DEFAULTSORT for biographies. It moved the {{nofootnotes}} tag down to the bottom of the page (where you'd want to see footnotes), added the date the tag was placed on the page and then used DEFAULTSORT to list the biography alphabetically. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I am officially an idiot. I didn't see that SmackBot moved the tag, I thought that he had removed it. I apologise for bothering you. Javert ^{(T · C)} 19:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Naw, no apologies needed, bother me whenever. SmackBot's edits can be a little confusing a first, but it attempts to ensure maintenance tags are applied to pages in a standard way. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The amount of advertising speak on this page is drastically diminished to the point that I cannot see any more. Also There are a lot of articles that it links to that talk about the product from second hand sources. If you find this acceptable then I would ask you to remove your code, and if not then please let me know what else I can do to help the article. Thanks, --Ballplyr86 (talk) 23:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks good. You can remove the code yourself, if you'd like. Just take out the "advert" parameter from the article issues template. Best, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 23:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I finally got Huggle to work on my MacBook. It's unstable as hell, but it does work. :) `Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I bow to you, oh masterful Disciple of Jobs. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha. The problem was that I was trying to run it natively in Wine when it needs to be run in Trix. Glad I figured this out. :) Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

*Ding*, you have mail. Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You forgot the "DING." And stop speaking Mac gibberish, sheesh. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. Javert ^{(T · C)} 21:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

DINGDING. You've got a reply. Notice I "joined" the Mediation Cabal today. I thought I could put my supposed "wisdom" to good use. But of course, we don't exist.Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 22:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

←Replied. :) Yes, I had noticed the new box on your user page. You should look into mediating the dispute between Jimbo and Bishonen. :D Javert ^{(T · C)} 22:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that I do it to you. I should stop, but you're just so darn helpful. :) Javert ^{(T · C)} 22:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, you see that ten-foot pole over there? I'm not even going to TOUCH that pole. That pole is located several hundred LIGHTYEARS from that dispute. That, my friend, is how far I am staying away from that. And you never bother me. Well... not MOST of the time... Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 22:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I have to say, though, if the RfArb regarding the block is accepted, it will be a case to watch, as it could have widespread ramifications. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 07:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I have it watchlisted. Javert ^{(T · C)} 22:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

On behalf of Vicenarian, thankyou. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, you have made a hell of a lot of progress since I adopted you (you're certainly a fast learner). The sixth (and final) lesson would have been on what it takes to become an admin, but I think you should pursue admin coaching sometime down the road if you're interested (I am myself a precedent for adopters who are undergoing admin coaching). So...

This user has graduated from the adoption program by Dylan620! Kudos!

If you ever need help down the line, don't hesitate to ask me. Expect a check-up every now and then. :) Go out there, and make your (now-former) adopter proud! :D Best of luck, Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, again, for your mentoring. :-) See you around the wiki! Regards, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

My honor to have mentored one of Wikipedia's prized editors. :) FWIW, have you ever wanted to seek other editors' opinions on your editing? If so, Editor Review would be the place for that. Best, Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 20:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do is ask me. My opinion is the only thing that matters. :) Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 20:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Dylan. :) I'm not sure I am yet ready to withstand such open scrutiny. I will let my edits speak for themselves for now, and hope anyone who sees my any of my actions as problematic would feel free to let me know. That's why I have the TROUT up there in the corner. :) What do YOU think, Sponge? Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 20:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Uhh...what you said. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 20:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

We had talked earlier this week about a DYK. Have you thought of any ideas yet? I seem to keep drawing blanks. ;) Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 23:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Something will come to me. I'll divine it. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 23:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Cool, let me know when you do. :) Thanks, Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 23:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

On behalf of Vicenarian, thanks. Oh, wait, that doesn't really make sense. It's Javert doing the thanking. Oh, never mind. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I can see that it may sound like Episode Encoder/Episode Encoder Pro is not notible, as it is a newer name for the product. If you visit the Telestream Site then you can see that they have made this name change perminant. There is also a review for the product under the new name at FMC. It is the same notible product as before, just with a slightly different name. --Ballplyr86 (talk) 16:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

My (Wiki)life would suck without you. Thanks for making this site an enjoyable experience. :) Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 22:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

:-D Thank you. You do the same for me. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 22:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

A belated congratulations for your graduation, as well. ;) Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 22:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. :) Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 22:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

You know how when you move a page, it automatically credits a redirect? If you are an admin, you have the option of not leaving a redirect behind and I've been thinking about either a new user right, or just throw it into the autocomfirmed package(bad idea), where non-admins have this choice as well. What do you think? Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 23:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, let me ponder that for a bit. Doesn't seem so terribly useful, if you ask me. Redirects left behind can always be nom'd for deletion, if there is cause. Usually, the "no redirect" option is used by admins for page move vandal... oh, I see. Kind of like rollback, but for page move vandalism? Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 00:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

←Exactly. The idea was spurned from a situation that I dealt with today. There's further discussion on xeno's talk, if you're interested. :) Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 00:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You mean "spawned." I would hope your idea isn't spurned. ;) And thank you, I'll go take a look. Still looking for that DYK idea, BTW. I know I'll stumble on something good eventually. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 00:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops, yeah. My apologies. :)Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 00:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You've got mail. Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 00:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your expert handling of that case :-)

So... when are you gonna pick up something from the new list? :-D Xavexgoem (talk) 10:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, seems you beat me to the punch ;-) Xavexgoem (talk) 10:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, expert handling. :) "Please try somewhere else, thanks." And what can I say? I work fast. :-D Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 10:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

16 GANs? think you could review mine? :-) Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 11:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. :) Be warned - I won't go easy just 'cause I like you. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 11:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Really? I didn't think you'd actually do it. About half of it was User:Drilnoth, so if there's anything wrong with it, it's probably his/her fault. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 12:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

In fact, he may be harder on you because he likes you. :) Javert ^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 17:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

So I can't lose then. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 17:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you stole my colour scheme! Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 17:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

←Sorry. Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 17:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't need to change your signature every time I complain. I don't mind (you gave me the idea anyway). Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 12:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Found new evidence for mediation.Do not close case yet.
LeUrsidae96 LeUrsidae96 (talk) 14:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If you've found new sourcing, feel free to add it to the article, though it might be best to take it up on the talk page first. At this point, I don't think mediation is required. Regards, Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 17:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

..you go borrow your sister's copy of Windows Vista to install on your Mac so that you can run Huggle natively. :) Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 02:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Nerd. :) Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 03:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Pathetic, I know. :) Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 03:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Please refer to this discussion to see why Telestream is notable: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Telestream. --Mcwikits (talk) 17:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm more concerned about your apparent conflict of interest with Telestream. Also, you admit on your user page that your account is a group account for the company, which is expressly prohibited by policy. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 18:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Please be so kind as to go to your inbox at your earliest convenience. Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 18:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

- Please refrain from notifying other editors of e-mails, which are not connected with Wikipedia. WP:MYSPACE - you might want to read the article. While it's great having editors who want to contribute to the project, your recent actions and chatting on talk pages make it look like you are not very serious about the project. People are here to work together on the encyclopedia, not have chat sessions on talk pages.

(NOTE: THIS IS A JOKE) Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 19:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure that Vicenarian would have no problem confirming that the email I sent was in regards to Wikipedia. :) Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 20:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was Wikipedia-related. And I thank Javert for notifying me, as my Vicenarian email account is not my primary email account. Shocking, I know, but Vicenarian has an real life alter ego! Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 20:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

*shocked* Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 20:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It was a joke!! I don't really care. In fact, I copypasted that warning from my own archive 2 (first post at the top, if you're going to look) (if I strikehroughed that e-mail bit, the rest could still apply, albeit occasionaly. But I would be shooting myself in the foot, because I do it too. In fact I'm doing it now). Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 20:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Always assume that I am joking, unless I am not. :) Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 20:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Whack!

You have been trouted for: TAKING ME SERIOUSLY WHEN I CLEARLY IDENTIFIED MY MESSAGE AS A JOKE

Like Bambifan claims, I have very easily hurt feelings. Good day to you, sir! >:-( Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 20:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done here. :) Thanks for helping, Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 21:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem. :) I'll start with a statement of why we think the new right is needed. As Xeno suggested, we should probably look through previous discussions to see if there are any that would serve as background to past community opinion on such matters. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 21:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll start looking through the archives of the Village pump. Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 21:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

←Blimey mate, in all seriousness, I hope your health issues aren't serious. Take it easy. :) – B.hotep •talk• 12:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

←Yeah, same here. :-( I'm sure Javert feels the same way. Sorry for trouting you. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 13:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, guys! It's not life-threatening. I have severe OSA that's getting worse, such that I'm so sleepy that even concentrating on work is getting difficult. They're getting me on a CPAP machine soon, so hopefully I'll be back to my normal cheerful self in no time. (If I were to work on the OSA and CPAP articles and get them up to GA status, would that be considered WP:COI??)

I just wanted to alert others to potential delayed response times. I've taken on two MEDCAB cases and have two open GA reviews. Apologies to all if I don't get back to you timely. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 15:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I hope that you get better soon. You have my email if you feel like venting about anything. Do take care of yourself. And, yes, if you start working on those articles, you'll find yourself at WP:COIN faster than you can blink. ;) Javert^{I knit sweaters, yo!} 16:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

In response to your invitation, DING! :-) And Sponge, trout me all you'd like... just be warned that you may get trouted in retaliation... Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 16:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Funny Javert (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

←Dude, you's a dick. ;) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 22:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I have my moments.. :) javert (stargaze) 00:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, Vicenarian! The first week of each monthly cycle of "Wikipedian of the..." will consist of repeats from the previous month; the repeats did not received WOTW last month.
For your further kindness to others, your hard work around the wiki, and for being a great user since the last time you were Wikipedian of the Day, you have been named "Wikipedian of the Day" once again, for today, July 29, 2009! Keep up the great work!
Note: You now have another chance to be Wikipedian of the Week!

Happy editing!

[midnight comet] [talk] 00:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Hooray, we're back to back! :D --Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 01:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. :) It's an honor. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 04:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Damn you, I'm so jealous. Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 21:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

You might consider placing your name here. :) Best, javert (stargaze) 04:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I will eventually - I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment, but I wanted to put the box up to alert potential visitors to my willingness to adopt... at some point. :) <font color="blue" face="georgia">[[User:Vicenarian|Vicenarian]]</font> <font face="Georgia">^{([[User talk:Vicenarian|Said]] and [[Special:Contributions/Vicenarian|Done]])}</font> (talk) 04:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Nice sig. ;) javert (stargaze) 04:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Shaddup. I'm experiminting. Vicenarian ^{(Said and Done)} 04:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

You know, you probably shouldn't change your sig very much. Might make it harder for people to find you. Also, changing your sig too often is annoying. :) javert (stargaze) 04:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Uh huh. Going to start an RFC over it? ;) Any way I can use an ampersand in my sig? For some reason, it doesn't like ampersands. Vicenarian ^{(Said and Done)} 04:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am. Hmm.. I dunno, let me go check. javert (stargaze) 04:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

←Hmm, no, sorry, it doesn't look like it. I tried everything that I could think of, but was still told that I had invalid characters in my input. javert (stargaze) 04:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This looks good to me. Vicenarian ^{(Said | Done)} 04:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it looks nice. --javert (stargaze) 04:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like to know if the article Life course theory is still copyvio.Smallman12q (talk) 17:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It's still a VERY close copy to the page in question. The sentence structure is almost identical, even if some words are changed. I would advise a rewrite, with your own sentence structure, to avoid potential copyvio problems. Hope this helps, Vicenarian ^{(Said | Done)}

Okay...it is a bit paraphrased..a work in progress..I should've put up a under construction template.Smallman12q (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Sometimes I get a little too tag-happy when I see User:CorenSearchBot copyvio notes on new articles. Happy editing, Vicenarian ^{(Said | Done)} 17:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I've actually beat CorenSearchBot to tagging a copyvio (same URL) twice. :) --javert (stargaze) 19:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

←Braggart. :-P By the way, check my contributions and see if you can spot the "COI." ;) Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 19:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I noticed a moment ago that you had edited Sleep disorder. Shame on you! ;) --javert (stargaze) 19:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I know, I'm ashamed of myself. :-D Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 19:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

You should be! ;) I sent you an email when you have a chance to check. --javert (stargaze) 19:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure exactly how my last edit to Toby Gerhart's page was unfair, uncalled for or biased. Please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.134.108 (talk) 00:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Your edit. To quote: "A considerable feat considering white running backs have, unfortunately, become a rarity." To start, it is unsourced, original research in a biography of a living person. As for additional issues... would someone else who stalks my talk page like to step in here? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 03:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. It's a personal opinion (Vicenarian already directed you to WP:OR), and quite biased. We like to keep those out of articles. Encyclopedias need to be neutral. javért ^stargaze 03:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

What war edits? You cleary didn't look before you leaped, or in this case, sent off a message. Why not take another look. Also go to the discussion page, and maybe *you* can give a straight answer. Something no one else appears willing or capable of doing. R7604 (talk) 04:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I have been watching the page very carefully. You are engaging in an edit war. You are welcome to seek dispute resolution if you feel your concerns are not being addressed on the talk page. However, continuing to edit the page when current consensus is against you can and will result in a block. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 04:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

And considering your block log, your next block will likely be very long, if not indefinite. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 04:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks like Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Jimbo Wales' block of Bishonen will now open... I would advise all to pay attention to the case, as it could have widespread ramifications. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, yeah. I think I will catch the highlights later. That sort of thing can really distract you from the day to day things that still need doing round here. In fact, I'd almost completely forgotten that was still going on, tbh. :) – B.hotep •talk• 14:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the drama can crowd out the actual work, unfortunately. No need to follow it step by step, but checking in every now and then is probably advisable. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The trouble is with those pages is that you don't know where to start and what comments preceded which. But it is a big event, granted. It will have certain websites^[which?] and certain users^[who?] buzzing for a while anyway. – B.hotep •talk• 14:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm..odd. It wasn't my Mac. ;) --javért ^stargaze 17:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Uh huh. Just try speedy tagging my page, friend. Just try. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:D --javért ^stargaze 17:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It occurred to me that I didn't thank you for reverting that uncharming little note on my talk page; please accept this as an apology and a belated thank you. Incidentally, in re Izzy Gold Records, I try not to delete pages where I've tried to steer the creator into producing references, but in this case I just might do it. Your comments would be welcome if you cared to make any. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, it's my duty and pleasure to defend. No apologies or thank yous required. :) As for said article, I brought it up with Bubba hotep, who was thinking along the same lines as you. He advised leaving it be for now, since it's being actively edited, but if notability isn't shown soon, I'll take it to AfD. You are, of course, welcome to speedy delete if you see fit - it is rather spammy, if you ask me, and I can't find any solid sources for notability. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 22:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, thanks anyways <grin>; I never know quite how hard to come down on children so it was nice not to have to think about it. I traced all the links in the article and found two blogs about the NYC social whirl, a one-sentence mention that Mr. Gold attended a party, and a note in what seems to be an in-house blog at the NY Daily News that his brand of jeans were on sale. There definitely seems to be notability asserted, I just didn't find anything to back that up; I think AfD is the way to go. And as I mentioned on the associated talk page, if notable clients were a source of notability, we'd have an article on Brad Pitt's garbage collector. I tried a Google search; the gentleman seems to be a relentless self-promoter, but I also didn't find anything solid. However, it can wait until tomorrow, just in case he surprises us with something more solid, unless you care to move forward with an AfD, which would be just fine with me. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Kids will be kids, especially on the Internet. :) Right, that is what I must remember - A7 is only for articles without ASSERTION of notability. If the article asserts notability, if even that notability is highly questionable, it needs to go through PROD or AfD. I'm still learnin'. I'll sleep on it and see what it looks like tomorrow. If notability and reliable sourcing aren't established by then, I'll nominate for deletion on those grounds. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 23:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

My sentiments exactly, and I can't think you could be faulted for not believing there's notability asserted; I think it's more the overall tone and flavour than an actual assertion. (Besides, I was about to speedy it myself <grin>.) Let's both look at it tomorrow and see what's shaken out. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It shook out; someone deleted the page and moved the material to a sandbox page. Whoops, no, my error; it was simply deleted. I'll keep an eye on the user's contributions and see if the identical page gets recreated. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I was going to blitz it, but I don't like deleting and running. I was due to go offline any moment after that and I like to stick around and see what happens for at least 10 minutes after! Unlike today where I blocked someone and then the minute I did it, the Wikimedia server decided to pack up for an hour with another hour and a half of limited usability after that. Well, I enjoyed my enforced wiki-break anyway! :) – B.hotep •talk• 14:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Good work, everyone. Maybe the downtime is a sign we should all be contributing to the Foundation? Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 14:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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