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Archive 2

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

"What would you think if art came to life?" [1] Urve (talk) 00:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the article on its way to GA! She is also featured on Portal:Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

! Thank you. Urve (talk) 15:29, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Some 10,000 people learned of her through this 'hook'. This and the one on bugchasing, above (with some 30,000), say something worth considering - people want to learn more about LGBT history and ideas, but Wikipedia has little coverage. I recall a quote from a curator on Böttner's artwork: "There may be more of her work out there, but this is all we could manage to collect." Yes. More later. Urve (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 10,432 views (434.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2021—nice work!

(although it seems you already knew that :) ) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, theleekycauldron. Urve (talk) 02:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• "Whose eminence is our local legacy..." Urve (talk) 00:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

November songs

Thank you for her article, and the DYK perseverance! She is also featured on project opera talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 13,913 views (579.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2021 – nice work!

(: a well deserved entry
theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

This is surely the best hook in DYK history. That's for sure. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Qujanaq. Urve (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 6,356 views (529.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2021 – nice work!

a shamefully low number given the quality of this hook, no doubt about it... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 01:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

		The DYK Barnstar
		...this! Seriously, I appreciate the work you've been putting into articles! Proseminar in Homophile Studies is a particularly interesting one. Thanks you! MSG17 (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Seconded! I'm nervously waiting until the clock strikes one am UTC tomorrow; I can't wait to see how this does with respect to pageviews. should be just a bit longer... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 21:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Danke, AleatoryPonderings, MSG17, and Theleekycauldron. A fun little detour from my normal editing - and it got some laughs from those who edit Wikipedia, so the reader stats being low is okay. :) ALT1 (... þæt?) may have gotten some more views, but I think the regularity with our other hooks was a good choice. A fun idea for someone else may be: Did you know ... did you know? (Or an article with that title, since self-referential humor would only be workable after passing GA.) Urve (talk) 07:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

And of course, special thanks to Gerda Arendt for inspiring me to be more active in DYK. Would not have even thought to do this without your guidance and grace. Urve (talk) 08:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

December songs

Thank you, and I love your help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

vacation greetings from Munich, rich in culture, culinary events and meeting dear people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful, thank you. Urve (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

today, an Italian opera, my second ever, as the TFA written by two dear people, and a park where I went with dear people, as pictured DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

For future wonderers, Wikipedia:Main Page history/2021 December 14b. Beautiful articles, both, Gerda Arendt. Thank you. A place I pass by often is the Joyo Theatre -- written by our own, and precious, Jno.skinner (who I made a promise to but have been too busy to follow up on) -- just down the street from a place of resistance and self-care. Neither are public spectacles (I didn't visit either of the locations or the fight), but interesting nonetheless. For now, I'm writing about an experiment where Greenlandic children were taken from their families to be raised as "little Danes", and occupying myself, even for a moment, with beauty - like those articles on the main page. But that is a privilege those who experience horror may never know, so I only do this with appreciation. Urve (talk) 07:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! The opera article is not be me, but by two friends here, and one died three years ago, - remembered. I just cared for it appearing on the day of the premiere. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I understand. I have many of Brian's articles watchlisted, for the reasons outlined at Flyer22's manual for editing after death. "But there must be a way to increase the chances of such work (the important work) being carried on." Thank you, for also caring for it. Urve (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

that's great! - on Beethoven's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

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As you said last year, you are willing to do a source review for SpaceX Starship, which is in final phase of construction. Currently, the article is in peer review, and I reckon that it is more convenient to do the review here, rather than in FAC. Thanks in advance! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, CactiStaccingCrane. When are you planning on creating the FAC? I have a few commitments in the short term. Urve (talk) 11:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I can adjust according to your need. Don't feel rushed, I won't nominate the article tomorrow :) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, CactiStaccingCrane, I've had the biopsies done and will take a look over the next few days. My approach is to list sources that are problematic, and for anything that checks out, I won't comment on. That can be discouraging (it's just a list of problems!), but I'll do this because I expect most of the issues to have been resolved with your closer eye, and we're entering the final cleanup stages. :) Urve (talk) 16:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Feel free to give negative feedbacks, I won't mind that much. In fact, this is the very philosophy of Starship's development: build, launch, kaboom, repeat! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

The article Little Danes experiment you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Little Danes experiment for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Hello Urve! I decided that I would attempt to revive WikiProject Nebraska. Don't know if you'd be interested in it or not but you have shown some interest in Nebraska-related articles before. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd absolutely be interested, Blaze Wolf. Thanks for your attempt. I would suggest watchlisting pages like Wikipedia:WikiProject Nebraska/Article alerts; it's not a very active page, but you could potentially find other people interested in Nebraska to recruit, too. Urve (talk) 06:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I’m sorry you feel that way, I saw your message but carefully removed it due to any potential unpleasant incident it may attract Look Urve, I’m kicking myself for even posting at all in the first place yesterday. I was concerned about ARW, a very good friend of mine and I insisted on knowing what was going on, I should have not argued with Blaze, after they asked not to. Even though I didn’t push it anymore after my encounter with them, I shouldn’t have argued at all. I apologize, if I let you down, I ought to have acted better. Celestina007 (talk) 02:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I express no view on this message. Urve (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

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Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

I've read so many extremely bad takes on this in the past 48 hours that I'm going mildly insane, so I am here to tell you: if you're looking for a Deleuze project to follow Body without Organs, there are a lot of historians and games studies folks who need to know what "control" means... -- asilvering (talk) 19:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Lol! Thank you, Asilvering. Urve (talk) 16:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I did want to mention something, Asilvering, since I noticed you split off Halberstam's article. You may find the state of the article queer theory interesting; it was stubbed not so long ago because it was opaque, but it's hardly been rebuilt. Cruising Utopia, queer of color critique, and New Queer Cinema all have problems, too. But these are all too big of projects for me to tackle for now :) Urve (talk) 06:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Don't mind me, I'm just weeping piteously from underneath the still-somehow-12kb Queer Art of Failure article... -- asilvering (talk) 07:13, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Excellent article: informative, well written and researched, appropriately neutral. Well done. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

What a kind message, Bri. Thank you. It is somewhat of a sad day for this to run; just learned through the grapevine of the death of Leo Bersani, whose work about antisociality is a fundamental part of my life, and which LaBruce's films answer in some ways. Urve (talk) 15:04, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

This may be the second most scary form of porn I've read about on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:55, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Still thinking about our loss of Bersani. I found a quote about zombie porn that resonates: "Their insatiable drive to cannibalize their victims can be read as a sublimation of an equivalent sexual drive. This calls to mind Leo Bersani's discussion of the homophobia displayed by the press in the 1980s, stimulated by the AIDS crisis in "Is the Rectum a Grave?" ..." - p 144 of Zombies and sexuality. Urve (talk) 04:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey Urve! Sorry for not getting to responding to your review on time, it got a bit swept up, but I just wanted to thank you so much for your kind words! I wanted to let you know that since you had pointed out that Zebedee Nungak's page is currently a redlink, I wanted to inform you that Draft:Zebedee Nungak is currently in the works, and I would really love to have your input and potential collaborative help in the article to further expand on his page, if you do have the time! (perhaps help to figure out a DYK hook with me?) Thank you again for your kind words and advice, I hope to hear back from you soon! Ornithoptera (talk) 09:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Ornithoptera. It's good to hear from you. I was actually going to approve the draft, but haven't had the time. There were some small (small) cite errors when I looked; I'll take a look again later. I'd love to help, too. The articles you wrote actually inspired me to continue with my personal goal of Greenlandic biography writing, which I kind of lost steam on: Mitsivarniannga, a small but important biography on the settler conscious. Nungak's article mentions an experiment on children - that might be a good project to work on, too. I've written two articles about child experimentation in settler states: Godhavn inquiry (about Danish mainland child experimentation) and the Little Danes experiment (where Greeenlandic children were shipped to Denmark to have their culture erased, eerily similar to Nungak's experience). You may find them interesting. Urve (talk) 12:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I also wanted to say that Nungak's article is a very good candidate to be a good article. I hope you submit it soon after it's accepted at AfC. It's important for our good articles to include people from underrepresented groups on the project. I'm not sure of the state of the Canadian Inuit on Wikipedia, but I'd bet that, like the Greenlandic Inuit, there's so much missing - and that's a real shame. If we are serious about improving knowledge equity on the project, highlighting the work and lives of indigenous people is important (and that's whether or not they're "good people" - a good person in this case, but it's important that we cover and consider the whole of the human condition). Urve (talk) 12:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I do very much hope you could help with the article and provide any extra research, two pairs of eyes are better than one after all! Let me know when you're able to, no rush at all. I'm really glad I've inspired you, very genuinely glad to hear it honestly! This will be my third article on Canadian Inuit issues this month, after Qallunaat! Why White People Are Funny and Kakiniit, I'm planning on writing an article about Hovak Johnston later when my schedule frees up actually! You are definitely right, Wikipedia has a very clear deficit on articles covering Indigenous issues and I'm doing my due diligence in making sure that Indigenous-related articles are put out there! I'll definitely look into submitting the article for a GA nomination when it gets approved at your suggestion, that seems like a very worthy endeavor. I look forward to working with you in the future! Ornithoptera (talk) 13:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

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You are recipient no. 2664 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! A welcome surprise to awake to... Much of what I am trying to write is LGBT and Nebraska history (especially where the two overlap as in the Cather suite of articles), and there are so many holes yet to be filled. There are still four redlinks in {{Willa Cather}} - maybe time to return to editing that area, which after a (well-deserved) failed FAC I lost most of my interest in. I hope to see you around, Gerda, soon and often. Urve (talk) 22:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, feel understood. I had FACs failed, - it's just an invitation to try harder, and even if not, the improved state of an article is worth it. I just nominated one yesterday, - see my user page if you consider reviewing. I promised myself a FAC nine years ago, and still didn't get past a peer review ... - You see me mostly in Classical music, Germany, and recent deaths, - two of those today, and one I was blessed to have seen conducting, last on his farewell tour. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again, Gerda Arendt. I have tried my hand at writing about opera, in recognition of you. See Marie Litta - outside of my comfort zone, but she is important, I think. Urve (talk) 04:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

This is nice to wake up to! I took a brief look at the singer: promising, for DYK please. Will check later (which may be tommorrow). Today I have a topic of the same kind which I couldn't get done the last two days when more or less on the road, and I couldn't even remember how to spell the name: Doğan Akhanlı. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The article Lorenza Böttner you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lorenza Böttner for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Asilvering -- Asilvering (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

January songs

in friendship

That's great, and happy new year! - Today I show yesterday's snow (if you click on "songs") and today's music in memory of Jerome Kohl, a friend --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Beautiful as always, Gerda Arendt. Thank you for sharing. Urve (talk) 09:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! 2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt. Recently, we lost Anna Shavers, a professor at my alma mater. Based on what I've found, she was perhaps one of only two black women to have tenure at the university when it was awarded to her. Her work was important, and it was varied. She worked in the areas of administrative law, legal education, sexual harassment, human trafficking, immigration, and diversity. She wrote brilliantly about Montoy v. Kansas, an important decision in desegregation litigation. More can (and deserves to) be said about her. I will look more. Urve (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Urve. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Proseminar in Homophile Studies at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

April songs

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Urve, I consider you to be an old Wikipedia friend of mine with whom I have had nothing but pleasant and constructive interactions. Your work on Wikipedia is valued — and I personally find your style of writing particularly dashing (if you get the reference). Although I have not been much active lately, I am always readily accessible via email, and I will always respond and love to talk to my good friends from this project — as few as they are and you definitely are one. I am writing to you because it has been a while and I wanted to say hello, and because I was somewhat worried. You can always approach me and I hope everything is okay. If it is not, there are ways to handle it and I hope you know that you are not alone. — The Most Comfortable Chair 11:32, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate the reference. It's one I occasionally look back on to see that my writing matters, and that friends are near. Below, an AfC approval notice for a subject I've always found interesting. Talk soon. Urve (talk) 13:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

This might be outside the scope of your article but there is — Judge Drops Eminem Rap. — The Most Comfortable Chair 10:31, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, a very interesting case! Vycl1994 also shared this in an edit summary. I intended on creating a list of examples like this and Justice Kagan's Suessian move ;). Andrew McClurg has an interesting repository of similar examples that could, with appropriate sourcing, be added. Thankfully we can quote as much as we want of the opinions themselves - like the entirety of Fisher v. Lowe - per (my sophomoric understanding of) the edict of government doctrine. An interesting project would also be Judicial humor, but that probably has a wide scope beyond the US, and I don't feel comfortable with looking for global sources on it. You'll notice that I tried - probably unsuccessfully, but I wouldn't know either way - to use Bluebook here ... all writing is an exercise in novelty. And I haven't forgotten to email you; busy, but talk soon. Urve (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

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--Innisfree987 (talk) 04:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Hey! Can you please explain [2] successfully intimidated? Did someone threaten you? Is everything alright? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Your guess is more or less accurate. All fine, thanks. Urve (talk) 05:24, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I would highly encourage you to come forward (either privately or publicly) with any information you have about this. That's really serious stuff, and who ever threatened you should be immediately sanctioned. You can do so by contacting the arbitration committee (depending on the nature and severity of the threat of course). I cannot stress this enough; you really should come forward with this. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Oof, I'm really sorry to see this. If it was someone trying to log into your account, I noticed some people on the talk page of the RFA talking about an LTA case who is targetting people replying to the RFA. -- asilvering (talk) 19:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to see this. Urve, you are an amazing editor here and you are wanted. Don't let this intimidation keep you from being here and contributing to this project. People can be so cruel. Don't let them win. --ARoseWolf 12:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Urve, you said this the first time we interacted on Wikipedia, "I have always been enamored by your idea, of listening to others and letting them impact us, unreservedly, allowing ourselves to be washed over by the music. We are as much ourselves as we are those we love." Sometimes negative things impact us too and their impact can be felt so much harder. Sometimes the music we hear is sown as discord. I remember being terrified as a child by all the experiences I had. Love is unassuming and so a lot of times its impact is less felt initially. I liken it growing a garden. Just because you plant the seed doesn't mean that fruit appears the same day. It takes time and effort. Urve, your impact has made its mark and over time it has become even more prevalent. Don't let this intimidation alter who you are here. Listen to my music. Hear my Song of love drowning out this terrible attempt to force you to change who you are and silence your voice. Wikipedia is an amazing place where so many from every corner of this planet get together and we build something so unbelievably wonderful. But it takes every note in every color to make it that. So I WILL take the time to reflect your beautiful colors back to you. --ARoseWolf 13:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

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May songs

Sorry to hear about you intimidated, - that's frightening. - I have the quirky DYK today, which is rare, and I don't quite know why music for peace was deemed quirky. - I took and picked the blue-and-yellow pic last year for May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK - and more May pics--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt. Lovely. I've been thinking of a fun project -- unsure yet, but thinking -- of writing all of the notable Urves we do not yet have an article for, Urve (Q16282277), and submitting as a single hook, or trying to see if a full queue could be built out of them. Or perhaps the masculine equivalent, Urban (Q15732140). Unrelated to this message of kindness and grace, see an interesting conversation at User talk:Urve/Archive 1#I received your message. Urve (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I can give you a hand with Urves — I would love to write Urve Sunny-Dzidzaria (Q47453094). — The Most Comfortable Chair 03:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate the help :) Sunny-Dzidzaria is one I considered, too - a great candidate for an article. I've started looking at Urve Manuel. Another (if small) Ukraine connection. Urve (talk) 05:09, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Nice idea. You might also give each their own DYK and then assemble as I did (which I did for a vanity thing, but will probably repeat for topics). It came out as a nice summary of what I stand for this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The article Zombie pornography you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Zombie pornography for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Etriusus -- Etriusus (talk) 03:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I saw your message - it's definitely nice to know of someone else who is working on similar articles!

I took the liberty to add infoboxes and images to Pokrok Západu and Enterprise. I've also uploaded some images of the mastheads and an alternate cover page, which I'll leave below should you want to use them.

Thanks! Breich9 (talk) 14:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Breich9! These will be useful. (I made them a gallery just for talk page purposes, but the code will remain in the history so I can retrieve it.) Please do reach out if I can be of assistance.

One thing I wanted to mention: We can only use either fair use images (see WP:NFCC) or ones that are appropriately licensed (for newspapers, that will be those in the public domain). I don't speak copyright, but your image from 1938 is after the date of December 31, 1926, which is the universal public domain date. So I think it would only be allowable if it weren't printed with a copyright notice, or registered afterwards. As for whether this happened or not, well, I'm of no use :). I just stick to pre-1927 images because of how complicated it is, or ones that I know are usable. This might be a problem in the future for you, just so you know. Urve (talk) 06:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello Urve! Thank you for formatting that better.

I will be double checking, but all of those, including the post-1925 issues should still be within the public domain, as per the LOC's Rights and Reproductions section for Chronicling America. There do exist exceptions, of course, so I will check on that.

Thanks! Breich9 (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

July 2022, Vol 8, Issue 7, Nos 214, 217, 234, 235 New: Alphabet Run: A to B | Baltic States Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman

--Lajmmoore (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

I appreciate it very much ... especially since that article has kept me busy for the last two months after another user expanded it and nominated it for GA. I figured at first (as always with so much of my work, at first) it would just be a matter of copyediting it. Then I realized that it needed to go into the legal background as much as, if not more, than the baseball background. And that led to adding more about the predecessor cases (and finding citations to the actual cases even when they were over a century old) and then the follow-on cases, and the more research I did in that department the more I found out it needed to have. And it's like getting up to light speed ... the closer you are to c, the more and more impossible it gets to get there.

But late last night I did ... just about in time for the June GA backlog drive. I hope it gets reviewed soon; I think it will. (Meanwhile I'm getting over the emotional down from finishing something that took so long to do, as well as the end of a fairly busy month for me offline). Daniel Case (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Daniel Case. And congratulations on having it be in a position that you're proud of! The emotional down is real. Before I started working on Bugchasing in depth, I had this same thought - it's just a matter of cleaning up (and it looked decent, for someone who did not know much of the background), but there's always more to say! I hope it gets picked up soon. I just tested positive for COVID, so I can't take it now. But if it's not taken when I get better, I'll be sure to take a look.

An aside: You may find Poetry in judicial opinions interesting. I'm not too knowledgeable about law, but if you are, you might find that article fun. It doesn't have a very coherent scope (how is quoting a poem the same as poetry? sources aren't too clear, lol) but it's still an interesting subject. Urve (talk) 01:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I do have other things I must attend to, both online and off, but for the moment I need to regenerate and can't find it in me to tuck my head and put my shoulder to the grindstone (or, really, the blocking sled ... I played enough football in high school for that to be the metaphor that comes to mind) so soon just yet. So for now I am focusing on smaller tasks, either administrative ones like reviewing and acting (or not acting) on reports at AIV/ANEW/RFPP, or editing ones that I know will not take up so much time or grow beyond my control/expectations (The late William Goldman recalls once asking the (now) equally late James Michener why he always wrote such long books. Michener told him that every time he started one, he thought it was going to be short. I know now just what he was talking about ...)

Doing Flood, for instance, was interrupted by two weeks when, having started to add some stuff to John Carter on the occasion of that film's 10th anniversary, I was in turn led to overhaul and expand the article to nearly double its original length. Down the line I can see GA and FA out of that, but I'm not focused on that for the immediate future. I have also contemporaneously been working on a draft article from a recent news story that has also been emotionally draining as I've found more and more to add to it. I am getting into the homestretch on that one and I hope I can make a DYK out of it.

Speaking of length, now that I have finished Flood, I see that I have more than doubled its size to almost 175K. This now makes it probably the longest actual article in WP:SCOTUS, longer even than United States v. Wong Kim Ark (yes, an FA that's been on the Main Page), and that case is arguably of more widespread real significance to most Americans (whether they realize it or not) ... I mean, it only established birthright citizenship in this country (and like Flood has extensive background material, which honestly I think both articles should). It is also 10K longer than Baseball Rule, which I am also mostly responsible for.

Maybe, also, I am not ready to focus on any major tasks tonight (EDT) because I am at the end of a long hot day here in the Northeast during which I did some mowing of an overgrown lawn at high solar noon (in the shade mostly, to be fair) when it was about 92 °F (33 °C) outside, showered, went out and did some tutoring, got a sub at Subway and came home and then the guy who usually mows our lawn came over and did the rest at dusk so our village won't send someone to do it and send us the bill). I will feel better after a good night's sleep (and honestly writing all this here helps more than I thought it would, too, TBH)

I have to start the copyediting part of a huge GA I signed up to review almost a month ago when I thought I would be done with Flood in a week. But, like I said, June is GA Backlog Elimination Month so it's just the right time.

As for poetry in judicial opinions ... I've read a couple of other examples, though of course they don't need to be in there. You might be interested in one of my Flood sources, that guy at Colorado (Campos?) who described Flood's Section I as a "trace of resistance to the hyperrationality of contemporary legal discourse" ... he sees Rehnquist's Johnson dissent the same way.

And, lastly, speaking of Flood's Section I and poetry, I have noticed (not for the first time) that its verbal style suggests that Blackmun was really doubling down on that bet ... by echoing the rhythms of Finnegans Wake, down to the not one but two lists in just a few pages, minus the multilingual puns. The odd choices of words, to me, gives it away—especially "environs", a word familiar from its use in the first sentence of Joyce's novel, which only makes sense there that way.

It's not poetry, but you might also get a kick from the first two paragraphs of Chief Justice Roberts' dissent from denial of cert in Pennsylvania v. Dunlap, where he recounted the facts of the case not in the usual dry legal style but as if it were hardboiled pulp-novel midcentury crime fiction.

I am sorry to hear that you have COVID ... I hope it is not too severe. At the very least it should be a chance to get some rest. My wife got it during the first week of the year; the worst symptom she reported was the nighttime fever spikes, and one night of a brief coughing fit ... I worked as a contact tracer last year; one guy I talked to was in a household where everyone had gotten it so they wound up being called as their family members' contacts. He had the worst coughing ... he'd get out an answer to my questions, then put out seven or eight of just the most awful coughs I've ever heard before he was able to talk again. I tell people that (my wife notwithstanding) I have not seen the face of COVID but I've definitely heard its voice, and I think that might have been worse. It will be my lasting memory of this pandemic.

I hope that your time off is something you can use productively. My wife got caught up on watching Penny Dreadful while she was on the couch most of that week. May you get something similar out of your infection. Daniel Case (talk) 02:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

You're giving me a lot to think about. Thank you, Daniel Case. I'll have to think this over and provide a more coherent reply when I can. Your comments are helpful re the poetry article. I have to confess I've never read Finnegans Wake, which is a pity. That might be a bedbound project. I've been working on a little pamphlet called Helena's Social Supremacy, which was a part of the fascinating 1894 Montana capital referendum. It's surprising we didn't have an article on either yet, considering so many editors are active in the referendums and elections area. You will like the Newby article that I cite there. The Colored Citizen also has an interesting history. I'm not too familiar with the West - my knowledge only extends as far as Nebraska :P - but these little movements in history make me think a lot about the harsh realities of settlement and living. (Of course, settlement is a harsh reality on both ends.) Urve (talk) 10:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and yes - I've always loved that Dunlap dissent. People talk up Kagan's writing in Yates v. United States as an exemplar of judicial humor and innovative writing, but Roberts takes the cake. An interesting related thought: There's been a lot of talk - I'm not sure if it's in sources yet, though - about Gorsuch's plain, down-to-earth style of writing. May warrant some elaboration in his biography. Urve (talk) 10:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Feeling much better - the infection is gone, now hoping the effects of it won't last for too long. Still a lot to think about, which I'll continue to mull over. Ended up sleeping more than planned - probably good - so no Finnegans Wake. (And I didn't admit this before, but I've also never read Moby Dick, which seems to share that same cultural space.) Pinging friends to share some beautiful moments or pictures they've discovered or remember, for the strength that memory provides! Gerda Arendt, ARoseWolf, talk page watchers if there are any. :) Urve (talk) 17:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I grew up adoring penguins — they were, still are, and will always be my favorite/spirit animal. Back when I was little and things were not so readily available on the internet, I used to stay up so that I can watch documentaries on penguins — which often aired late at night. I had books and encyclopedias that had plenty on penguins but there was something about seeing them in nature that made me happy.

Later in life, I started reading about art history for fun and I stumbled across a painting by Izaak van Oosten. On a closer look, I realized that this painting from the 1650s had a penguin in it — and that absolutely made my day! Because I do not think there is anything else like it; from what I have read, penguins weren't commonly depicted in art until well over a century or two later.

Here I was looking at a painting with a penguin from such an early period! Even if there are other works from the time that depict penguins — which I do not think there are — this was such an incredibly rare and pleasantly surprising find. I blabbered about this to anyone who cared to listen, for a full month. — The Most Comfortable Chair 18:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

That's beautiful, thank you. A touching background, too. I had a similar fascination with the "long neck dinosaurs" - probably Sauropoda, but I don't speak dinosaur science anymore - because of Dinosaur and The Land Before Time. Dinosaur was one of the few DVDs we had, so I watched it endlessly - LBT still on VHS. You have every right to 'blabber' about this - though I'd say it's more sharing beauty than blabbering ;). I wonder what can be said of the painting having recurring pairs of creatures, but for the penguin (and maybe some other birds), that system seems to break... Urve (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

That is a fascinating question! I am not sure if humans understood penguin family dynamics back then, but if Oosten did, he probably painted only one penguin because its significant other was likely watching over a newborn or an egg, and that this penguin was on its way back with food; could be true for those other birds too. Also, The Land Before Time has a special place in my heart — my WiFi name is "LAN Before Time". — The Most Comfortable Chair 19:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I have always been fascinated with learning as much as I could about every culture I could possibly get information on. As a small girl all I had were books to experience my curiosity of earth and everything on it. As a young adult I traveled to see what I had read in those books. There were some disappointments and some shock but mostly a continued curiosity. When I "hear" someone "speak", which can be written or spoken word, my mind, body (I call Physical) and Soul (I call Spirit) interpret it as a song. A color filled song. As a child I couldn't even hear the words and only the notes and saw the colours. As I got older I was able to suppress the notes and colours long enough to be able to "listen" to the words. I still hear and see both. As a three or four year old you don't think you might be different. You just assume everyone is like you. Then you are told you are different and you wonder how and why. And as you explore this thing called Life you realize that the subtle differences between us are just that, subtle, and the reality is that we are not as different as we think. We all start with the same colors and build from there. Each color represents a part of us. Some choose us, some are developed as time passes, some are strong, some are weak but we all started with the same colors. In that world, what I see and hear, there are no races, no genders and no conflicts. The only differences in the Song's I see and Colors I hear are what makes every individual thing unique. Such a contrasting view between Physical and Spirit but it is precisely where Physical and Spirit meet, among the shadows of light and dark, in the details of our journey, that true Soulwork happens. That is where poets sing, painters write and singers paint. That is where true masterpieces are sculpted into reality. Where symphonies are felt as vibrations through the fabric of existence itself, the very atoms transferring those notes as energy through all matter and washing over my ears as waves of the ocean crashing on the shore. It is the Song of Life; the Song of Earth; the Song of Us. Written books were the start of my fascination but they could never fully satisfy because they are representations, some more realistic than others, of the real stories, adventures and experiences that I see in the living books I read daily. How beautiful are the red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet hues I see in each of you? There is no competition in its beauty. No sweeter sound than the sound of your strings being played. --ARoseWolf 13:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Lovely. Below, an interesting woman - and a sad loss. It's unfortunate we frequently only learn of important women once they are gone. Urve (talk) 05:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to see that the discussion about Flood got a bit heated, Daniel Case. I know it was not your intention to minimize anyone's pain, and I'm glad you apologized without being defensive. I respect both you and the original nominator very much - as far as Wikipedia goes, I think of both of you as friendly colleagues that I'd gladly work with at any point in the future (and I don't say that about most people I come across!).

As to the article itself, one place that might be worth reconsidering, in light of the complaint about length, is the number and length of footnotes - at least in this article, and not any future spin-offs. Footnote e of this version, for example, might not be illuminating to a general audience, and might contribute a bit to that feeling of too much information. Whether this is a good example of that issue, I don't know - I'm just trying to make a general point. Footnote p may be interesting, but only really mentionable in light of secondary references. The quote of footnote f speaks to the point, but unsure if we need to do more than just summarize. Do you understand what I mean? I'm having trouble expressing my thoughts, and it's a complicated subject that requires some complicated thinking. And I'm not skilled in that department ;)

I don't know your interests, but if you need some lighter stuff to work on - quite little secondary referencing (but enough for GNG/NBOOK), sometimes not even the books themselves are available to a general audience to create a plot summary, so the articles themselves would probably all be quite short and easy to knock out - see § Gay lit to do below, for some interesting books. If you want a very weird book that touches on body horror in the Cronenbergian vein, Castle Faggot might be up your alley (though I haven't read it yet, so no promises). Thanks for your help with PJ and Thomas, another light subject, and an important one. Talk soon? Urve (talk) 05:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but not till after tomorrow ... I work at the polls, and after nine straight days of early voting in New York's June primary for executive positions, we have today off, so we can rest up and get stuff done before tomorrow's 16-hour marathon finish (I have to get up before the sun, which at this time of year says something). Daniel Case (talk) 00:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:) We just had our own election yesterday; only a couple of days long, I didn't work the polls, but I've been tired of it. Doesn't help we didn't win, either ;) Urve (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to be late responding ... but it's the holiday weekend and I finally got some other things out of the way.

Yes, that footnote is exactly the sort of thing that would be more at home in a general article about the baseball antitrust exemption. I do plan to move it there.

I'm not short for things to do, but thanks for the suggestions. Having just finished House Bill 5414 and being a little miffed that no one at DYK responded to my request that someone review it in time to have gotten it on the Main Page yesterday (this is uncharacteristic and in my extensive experience has not happened for a nom of mine in a few years, I am in that stage between long articles to expand or create where I just do little things I've noticed to do relevant to other articles I've worked on in the past like add stuff to Woman-Ochre that's developed recently (I think that one will be a nice GA candidate someday).

I have some ideas for my next serious effort, but I haven't decided yet what to work on. I am also remembering my long-term plan to get The Exorcist to GA and eventually FA so we can run it on the Main Page for its 50th anniversary at the end of 2023. I want to make some tracks on that before the end of the year (first order of business has so far been the trickiest: getting a good video copy of the arteriogram scene to go with the section on it) Daniel Case (talk) 03:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I was going to review House Bill 5414, but was worried that I didn't understand the process enough for special occasions to make sure it was promoted to the correct queue on time. And DYK is a bit irritating now, anyway. Woman-Ochre is beautiful (though abstract expressionism is not for me - I don't really like Grant Wood, but Arnold Comes of Age is among my favorites), and when you say recent, you mean it :) I'll watch for a GA nomination one day. So much to do. I am thinking of kiss-ins lately, but that's almost too large of a subject to cover. I'll keep in touch. Urve (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I noticed your article on the Enterprise newspaper in DYK today, and I just wanted to drop by to say thank you. It is an excellent contribution and a piece of Nebraska history I was totally unaware of. We have talked before of working together to create content or to bring articles to Good Article status (which I have never done). I'd like to renew that invitation! Jno.skinner (talk) 21:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Jno.skinner! It means a lot coming from you. There are still so many black Nebraskan newspapers that deserve articles. I would never know Hastings may have had the first black newspaper in Nebraska had I not looked for it. I will keep in touch with you about working together - I have some specific things I need to work on for the next while, but the Lincoln Legion of Lesbians is a uniquely significant article that deserves some attention. Urve (talk) 21:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Urve. I have been working on this draft and I have exhausted every resource that was available to my disposal to add as much relevant content as I could find. Would you have access to sources that could potentially have information on the subject? I was not planning on working so much on the draft but now I am fairly invested. Let me know if you can find anything. Also, feel free to expand and add as much as you would like! — The Most Comfortable Chair 19:34, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! Very interesting article. I'll do some searches in the next few days and add what I can. Urve (talk) 06:37, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

The Most Comfortable Chair - an interesting person. I have some projects I'm working on, so I can't add too much more at the moment. But the book I cited also contains significant coverage of Arobateau‎, more from a literary perspective than a biographical one. I accepted the draft; hopefully that doesn't discourage anyone from continuing to edit it. For DYK? Urve (talk) 05:59, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for adding that and accepting the draft! I have nominated the article for DYK and credited you. Do you have access to those two sources in a way that you can share their excerpts with me? — The Most Comfortable Chair 11:39, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that! I emailed you and added a url to Sinister Wisdom's archive of the issue. Urve (talk) 11:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Your sources helped me add quite a lot. The article is at GAN now, and I have added you as a co-nominator. — The Most Comfortable Chair 19:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that. I'll follow and try to help. There are some gay press tidbits with Arobateau on archive.org, though I'm not sure all are worth mentioning. eg. Too much deserves to be said about too many topics. Urve (talk) 05:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

That is a useful resource — thank you for pointing me in that direction! I will go through these and see if I can find more things worth adding. — The Most Comfortable Chair 13:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I think the article is mostly complete (or at least I added as much as I could). However, I think the article is missing his birth name, considering that the article elaborates on how he formulated his eventual name. I have been looking everywhere — for days now — but I just can't seem to find this piece of information. Would you know where to look for this or would you be able to find a source that has his birth name? — The Most Comfortable Chair 04:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. In Sacred Journey, p. 292, he writes he hasn't used it "on any documents since I was in my teens", so that is part of why it's so difficult. The birth name is given in "Autumn Changes -- Part III", p. 1061. If you Google CNC09546252, you will also find it there, and you might be able to find some other sources that list it. I haven't looked further, but it might be in some other writings.

This is somewhat of a can of worms; I was advised when I nominated Lorenza Böttner for GAN to not include her birth name, but there is no explicit guidance on this. (For the last RfC on whether birth names for dead trans people are acceptable or not, see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography/2021 archive § RfC on non-notable pre-transition names of deceased trans people.) I think it should be included - not in the lead, but in the discussion of changing names and the name's significance - but I can't open that can myself. I follow the Preciadoan tradition of not caring about deadnames for transgressive figures (living or dead), but that's bitten me before. Urve (talk) 04:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I had no idea that this was a contentious topic. Also, it is very impressive how quickly you found this — I have really been looking for this for well over a month. Thanks so much! On an unrelated note, I have also emailed you. — The Most Comfortable Chair 04:55, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

"Robateau" "Red Jordan" :) You will find the quoted Autumn Changes bit I mentioned in the results, if you haven't already. It is contentious, but I don't see there being any changes to the policies in the near future - articles like James Barry (surgeon) would not be complete without that information, and there are no BLP considerations. Thanks for adding the content and continuing to shepherd the article. Urve (talk) 05:25, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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--Lajmmoore (talk) 11:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Thanks. Unfortunately, DYK is increasingly irksome to even look at (much less engage with), so I'll probably stop participating. And it's not that our articles have gotten any worse, our hooks have gotten any less punchy or accurate, or our rules have changed - it's entirely an atmospheric problem that, if unaddressed, is going to chase away editors like me, who only occasionally contribute. Urve (talk) 07:58, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I sure hope not, Urve — your articles have always been on unique and interesting topics, and your hooks are definitely more hooking than the average DYK hook. — The Most Comfortable Chair 13:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you; I'll think of it. Queer Free seems especially relevant now (see my userpage changes, about a religious fundamentalist group taking over the US to impose power over reason) - only just created, and there's always more to say, but have to move on. Might have to buy a copy to create a good plot summary, but the last book I bought was disappointing. Our readers probably deserve to learn something about it, and DYK is a good way to do that (and it's a good way to deorphan).

BTW, this seems correct from my reading of WP:INTDAB, but I would be lying if I said that (1) I've ever read that section before, or (2) that I can make heads or tails of anything relating to disambiguation, categories, templates, etc. :) If we're still unsure, the reviewer can offer some thoughts; our readers are smart enough to navigate through the link, I was just unsure if the dab was intentional or not. Urve (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

How the Due Process Clause does not protect the right — absence of which seems like a grave deprivation of individual liberty — is beyond me. — The Most Comfortable Chair 03:17, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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June songs

Today is a birthday. Sharing music that was on DYK which has its moments ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

That's beautiful, Gerda Arendt! And a fitting image. Interesting that Wisser has been involved with politics. This is a great article. Being called rote Eminenz and a connection to Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul, wow! My German was surprisingly OK enough to understand much of it, even though I haven't tried to keep up in a long while. You make me want to learn again ;) Urve (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Last year about this time, I met him by chance at a restaurant where he had pasta with family. (we had fish on 3 June, another birthday, pictured if you click on songs.) I planned to see him next week for a meeting of the friends of RMF, but now I have this infection and it may be to soon. Die rote Heidi still serves as Schirmherrin for a charity initiative. Can't believe it was 2011 that I took the pic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk page watchers and visitors: HIV waiver seems to be a notable topic. I don't know enough (where to look? what sources are good? is it just the US?) to create an article, but my understanding is that HIV-positive visitors to the US must (or used to be required to?) apply for an HIV waiver to gain entry. There is a story about this process costing $50 in 1990 in the following:

• RW (28 January 1990). "Jailing a virus". OutWeek. No. 31. p. 20, see also p. 67.

Interesting. And sad. Maybe someone else can find something for this. Urve (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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July songs

Last Friday, I attended a unique concert - the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach conducting - and with some good luck caught him happy afterwards! - your dyk pos made me happy, spared me a reply ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. DYK is too tiring. The Terminal Bar would be good there, and important: Perhaps the first ever AIDS novel. Urve (talk) 09:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

yes, thank you - ... and another concert 14 July: Voces8, pictured - I have a FAC open, in case of interest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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Whispering In The Winds by Ben Yahola. Urve (talk) 03:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

thank you! - more July songs, from Swiss Alps and a funeral, - and thank you for sharing hymns! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work on this interesting subject. —  AjaxSmack  16:47, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, AjaxSmack, for the comment and your edits! I'm glad people got to learn about it; I only learned any of the details when I first started the article. I agree with the change from indigenous to more specific words - just want to say that this was deliberate in one place ("Around this time, they also shot at a group of several Seminole men, though they never arrested or struck them" - some of the group weren't Seminole, but if I remember right, Littlefield doesn't give their tribes). Urve (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, my friend. Urve (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

(: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the tag earlier. It's been a busy time for me, so I didn't get much of a chance to look at it earlier. Since the GAN brought up the "well-written" criterion I tried smoothing out or simplifying a few places, and hopefully you find those to be improvements. I haven't touched the lede - I don't understand the reviewer's issue there, nor why the GAN was ultimately failed. -- asilvering (talk) 05:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits, asilvering. I think they're helpful, yes, and really focus the narrative on the lynching. Not sure how I feel about such a fragmentary structure (distinct from the narrative, which I think is OK); maybe that's just how it has to be. No worries about not looking, it was just a suggestion if you were interested. By the way, since some notes were removed, this script is useful for catching references that are no longer cited. I'll add them back in, so no need to remove them, but I thought you'd find that useful. Urve (talk) 06:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, you have it, lol. :) Urve (talk) 06:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes! It's very handy. I just figured it was better to leave them in at the time, in case you preferred to revert the changes or repurpose some of the sources. -- asilvering (talk) 11:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

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One of my favorites - by Katie Von Schleicher. Urve (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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African American officeholders during and following the Reconstruction era - filling out the redlinks here would be a worthwhile project for those interested. I've done my first, Caesar Perkins. Difficult, though, to find any details on many of these people, who are often referred to only by first initials and last names. Urve (talk) 07:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Urve, long time no chat and hope you're doing well! I accidentally deleted User:Urve/Coil case, a redirect, with Twinkle – doesn't technically qualify for G8, so just let me know if you want it back Take care. DanCherek (talk) 02:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, my dear friend! Thank you. No worries - I made the first mistake ;) You will find the article that led to my accident interesting and sad, though there's not more I can easily find about it. Urve (talk) 02:03, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

What an absolutely horrifying program. I'm glad that the truth is coming out, even if it's so many decades later. Thanks for writing it up. Planning on a DYK? DanCherek (talk) 02:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Terrifying indeed. It makes me sick. The Danish government just finished up an expensive and highly-publicized apology tour for another cruel genocidal program from 1951 (Little Danes experiment) and now this is coming to light. Maybe Greenlandic independence movements will finally go somewhere; I certainly wouldn't want to be Mette Frederiksen right now. With Greenland propping up the coalition, I just don't know. Anyway, I will write it up - people deserve to learn about it, and find more sources than I ever could. Urve (talk) 02:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

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November songs

Thank you for improving articles in November while I was on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt. I appreciate that. It's always a pleasure to hear from you, see your beautiful photos, and listen to good music. My offering. Your evaluation pretty much aligns with mine. And by the way, I am one of the fiends in the anti-infobox camp ;) - but not militantly so; I don't care enough to intervene when someone adds one. You can see it in my creations - almost none with an infobox, and very few that I've ever added myself.

I wrote a very long response with some thoughts but deleted it. This response is also long, but not nearly as long. The point was that, as I've said before, DYK is increasingly becoming a battle of personalities that makes me feel unwelcome and uneasy. I appreciate the recognition that view counts, as in our friend's post above, bring - for me, this place is often an island where I write and edit alone, in subjects where there's not much outside interest. But do metrics matter when we're playing with the very real histories of very real people? Should we be striving for the most-viewed hook, or a hook that doesn't require a click because it gives enough information for our curiosity to be satiated? Of course, people reading our articles is always great, but should that be the end-goal? I don't know.

I tried my hand at Talia Or, but I'm afraid even what I came up with was trite - and it was trite, I think, because of the hostility (or perhaps just the reception) toward articles that aren't about fleeting memes, politics and politicians, or pop science. As I said elsewhere, my prediction (though I can't prove it either way) is that hooks that don't represent minority history as painful don't perform very well. Maybe that's the case with other subjects. Lately I've been thinking about our social responsibility as a project; I might have to write something up, though words alone can't express what I feel. I think you understand. There are two sentiments that randomly cycle on my userpage that capture how I feel about this place and what should be done about it.

Funnily, I noticed I'm not at listed at the precious page because of an accident. Don't fix it: I think it's kind of fitting, and fixing would be unnecessary. Maybe it's like ALTURVE: a dissident voice, or a marker of my confusion, or of being out of place ;)? There's an compelling article on the intersections of my interests that almost fits here. Oh, well, there's not actually a point to any of what I've written, other than to complain without making a suggestion; my forte? Take care, Gerda, and talk soon. Urve (talk) 06:46, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Urve, for great thoughts to wake up to! "Soon" you said, and here I am, before even checking my watchlist ;) - I love your dissident voice! In the infoboxes case as on DYK, my problem is the enormous waste of time discussing personal beliefs, taking away of writing articles. In 2012, I met the infoboxes conflict, over an article about a book, where the main editor left Wikipedia because an infobox was added, and those who had supported it were blaimed with this loss. These times are over, but the time that someone adding an infobox is no longer regarded as a warrior but someone who tries to make an article a bit more accessible has still not arrived, see Laurence Olivier. - I wrote about three singers from our last concert, two passed DYK without problems, and Talia Or caused discussions an estimated 10 times the article length, which is in no proportion to what DYK should do: simply expose an article to a readership that otherwise wouldn't notice it. The "broad audience" clause is still new, compared to the long history of DYK, and has made it more dependent on the personal view of a reviewer, because it's a myth that there's an objective definition of what "broad audience" means, or even what "interesting" means. I liked your ALT! - More later. I decorated my talk for thanksgiving. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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My vote?

Compassion and forgiveness
... not retribution. Urve (talk) 04:45, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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I love your vote! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

ps: my trim of the pompous message was simpler, and my vote will wait for more answers, but probably not by the one who didn't answer any (and hasn't edited even edited for the last 2 weeks). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

I initially trimmed it much more, but then it looked awkward with the Sacred Heart, which has to be large. We have to venerate wounds. I learned trimming from you. A good idea to wait. Unfortunately I think vengeance is coming; we'll see. I should have run - all of my ideas are so popular I'd surely sail to victory ;) Urve (talk) 10:32, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Some candidates seemed surprised that I asked the same question again, - well, I go for peace not the absence of war. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

To understand what I mean, just read Debussy, where I still saw the language of former wars, and pointed at it (which was not welcome, which is another sign), - creative thoughts to change that welcome, while the outcome of any particular discussion really doesn't matter to me, and I would never start one. I was tempted about giving Agrippina an infobox today that it's on the Main page, but then decided against more fire ;) - candles are better! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)