User talk:Lewisguile

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I saw the warring on Afro-Jamaicans, maybe take it to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring? FifthFive (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I think I will. It's a bit...extreme. There is a similar pattern of editing multiple pages that seems to be pushing an agenda. Lewisguile (talk) 18:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been addressed. The user has been blocked for 24 hours. If you want to revert back to last stable version again, there shouldn't be any problems now. I'm trying to avoid WP:3RR, so will refrain from doing this myself for now. Lewisguile (talk) 08:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and reverted Afro-Jamaicans. I may have gone back too far - maybe cherry pick some changes to restore some of the content. If they come back after their block, a case could definitely be made for WP:SPA. There are some other articles they've edited like Coromantee which show they've been doing this sort of thing for months on different IPs. FifthFive (talk) 16:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] FifthFive (talk) 16:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes. Thanks for the heads up. I've rolled Coromantee back to 18 August, which seems to revert the least amount of text while avoiding the WP:TE issue. I'll go through the interim edits to see if there's anything worth salvaging, and I'll do the same with Afro-Jamaicans, too. Lewisguile (talk) 16:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FifthFive So far, the affected pages I've found so far (there are probably Afro-Jamaicans, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Coromantee, Mixed-race Caymanians, Tacky's Rebellion, Turks and Caicos Creole, and Turks & Caicos. Since this user only has a 24-hour block and may be using alternate IPs anyway, this may be an issue that needs to be looked at again once they return.

I've updated the ANI and the admin who responded, but watch out for a slew of reversions when they come back tomorrow AM. Lewisguile (talk) 18:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend you get the book Contested Frontiers by Asher Kaufman, which has a lot on Ghajar and similar issues. It is available on the internet here: [2] . Zero^talk 14:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll check it! I was literally just editing a section on Kaufman on the Ghajar page! Lewisguile (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You said, "Transphobia and similar words derive from "hydrophobia" (rabies), referring to the madness of prejudice. They have very little to do with classic phobias." (

Interesting. Do you have any further information on this? Zeno27 (talk) 10:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Anti-Black racism#Negrophobia and colourphobia. That's the first example of a non-"classic" phobia. Basically, the abolitionists were implying that the pro-slavery movement was full of "mad dogs" who were infected by racism. The historic name for rabies at the time was "hydrophobia". There's a brief article on it here: https://newrepublic.com/article/128719/anti-slavery-roots-todays-phobia-obsession Lewisguile (talk) 12:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lewis! I do not really understand this edit. I provided a ref for it. Can you please let me know if I can undo it? I would like to make people know about Francisco Menéndez and I think this is the right article. Thanks! 194.38.172.194 (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. Primarily, it wasn't Francisco Menéndez [[Francisco Menéndez (black soldier)}} I was removing but the rest of the text. I'm happy to put Menéndez back in,but you should probably make sure his Afro–Latin American identity is clear and notable on his individual page first. At the moment, there isn't a clear link so he seems like a random insertion. (I've now found the other page.)

The other text I removed feels shoehorned in and because of that, the wording seems like it's trying to make a point. I originally moved this text from where it was before because it was a tangent in the history section. It isn't about the history of Afro–Latin Americans, but an overview of some people's view of a general "Hispanic" identity (which is much narrower than "Latin American" anyway).

It fits slightly better where it is now, but the tone and language used still isn't quite right. E.g., wording like "transcends" and "enriched" suggests a strong POV—that an Afro–Latin American identity is irrelevant. Which is an odd point to make in an article about that subject, unless we can somehow put it into context. We also try to say things without colouring people's views too much.

There is, of course, debate around how much race is or isn't important in Latin America. But the wording I reverted doesn't describe that debate—it just presents one side of that debate as if it were true.

So I think we need to find consensus on the points you're trying to make so we can make sure it fits where it is. What is it you want to say, and why? Is it in the right place? Is it best included here or in another article? I hope that helps. Lewisguile (talk) 16:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To follow up, I've done the following:

1. Removed the tangential information as per WP:COATRACK. I've summarised the relevant info, however, which you'll see here. I think this gets across your point without becoming WP:UNDUE.

2. I've added the list of names to the list already in the article, along with references where I could. You'll see this here.

Is there anything else you think we should add/change? Lewisguile (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lewis, you have for the second time deleted references to Israeli fans' violence in the Amsterdam article: [3]. This was probably the unintentional result of an edit conflict. Could I ask you to please reinsert the relevant bits? The relevant bits are the first and last changes in the difflink, i.e. the underlined bits given below:

In the lead this is "placing blame both on the antisemitism of those who attacked Maccabi fans and the provocations and violence of Israeli hooligans"; further down, it is "a poisonous cocktail of antisemitism, hooligan behavior and anger about the war in Palestine and Israel and other countries in the Middle East", placing blame both on the antisemitism of those who attacked Maccabi fans and the provocations and violence of Israeli hooligans.

Regards, --Andreas JN466 15:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see! It was an edit conflict when you re-added this text. The first time I removed these references I did so because there were explicit concerns on the talk page that the Responses section was too long and that bit of text merely reiterates what the quote does. I thought it was covered by the quote, which describes "hooligan behaviour".

I could perhaps hyperlink that part of the text to Hooliganism to make it stronger? Or I can remove the direct quote altogether and use your text as a summary? Note that having both is likely to get re-edited or cause further disagreement, so I'd recommend one or the other.

I'll go with the summary option for now, but let me know if you prefer the alternative. Lewisguile (talk) 15:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've implemented a version here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=November_2024_Amsterdam_attacks&diff=prev&oldid=1257164973 We probably can't say "hooligan" in Wikivoice, so I tweaked that. You may also get challenged on this particular wording as it's one source that uses the "violent and provocative behaviour" description, whereas others just use the quote (which technically doesn't say who the hooligans are). Lewisguile (talk) 15:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Lewisguile, I have added a new aftermath: ‘Last Friday the State Secretary of Finance Nora Achahbar, a member of the centre-right New Social Contract (NSC) party, one of the four parties in the Dutch coalition government, announced her resignation’. I think this is another relevant consequence of the events. However, I feel fingered by some editors when I add the situation of Dutch politics after these ‘riots’ like the opinion of other political parties (different from the government). So I ask for a second opinion on the relevance, and in case I am wrong and this is not important, I will support the deletion of this new aftermath. AyubuZimbale (talk) 13:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I just realized that it was already included in other section. So I removed my contribution and just added a line and additional references. Apologies. AyubuZimbale (talk) 15:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Yes, I saw it in the aftermath before, and think it is probably relevant. Lewisguile (talk) 17:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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