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Haha I mostly remembered it because I remembered that was the original title for volume 7. It wouldn't be the first time it's reused chapter titles, I think there are two chapters called "Lee's Secret". The Splendiferous Gegiford (talk) 02:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I guess for a series as long as Naruto, it starts getting rather difficult to remember what chapter titles you've already used, and it would be even worse if you're on a deadline (no time to look over what you've already used and try to come up with a new one). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Please, read WP:NCC#Disambiguation for there are no misunderstandings:

Following extensive discussion of naming conventions for comic book characters at Talk:List of Marvel Comics characters and Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Comics, the agreed general disambiguation phrase used for articles related to comics, including creators, publications, and content, is "(comics)".

The edit as you did in the Rumble Pak article is incorrect in this case. Thanks! --85.141.121.173 (talk) 22:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

And, please, improve all incorrect renamings as you already did according this naming convention (WP:NCC). --85.141.121.173 (talk) 23:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, yes, some time after I did that slew of moves, I stumbled on WP:NCC myself. Personally, I disagree (an individual comic series is a "comic"), but whatever. If you give me a list of pages I need to move back, I'll get right on it for you. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, in this case thanks in advance! There are articles that I could found: Kasumi (comic), Snow (comic), Undertown (comic), Off Beat (comic), Fool's Gold (comic), Boys of Summer (comic), Afterlife (comic), and these ones too if it's not hard: Viz (comic), Plug (comic), Henry (comic) P.S.: I don't know more about the disambiguation "(comics)", but it seems a community consensus as though. Thanks! --85.140.44.75 (talk) 20:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

All moved. If you find more, let me know and I'll gladly move them as well. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Please revert Viz (comic). This is how it's popularly known, they publish one comic rather than plural comics, and this article is about Viz (the comic) rather than Viz (the publishing team behind it). I also fail to see any discussion or notification of this around the article 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 17:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Looking at the talk page, this issue has been a source of contention on the past for this article, so further renames will have to be discussed first. Personally, I doubt I'm going to touch the article again except by explicit request here (my talk page) with clear consensus behind it. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Generally encyclopedic categories are for articles and categories, not templates. Templates are not about the subject but a tool for article to article navigation. When you consider that templates and categories overlap to a certain degree, including the template in an encyclopedic category is kind of repeating the contents. To put it another way, these are both navigation assistance tools that are included in different places. This is why there is a whole series of categories for navigation box templates. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

All right, that does make some sense. In that case, would you like to drop a note about this at WT:ANIME? And, instead of simply removing the category from navboxes (if you do more removals), could you turn it into a link? The categories are generally quite useful for checking for additional articles to add to the navboxes. Thanks in advance! 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Noted: I recommend changing those category links to {{Cat see also|Category name}} for said reason. G.A.S^talk 04:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

An AWB run I think would help get this done - I don't particularly fancy running through 180+ navboxes (most for the third or so time) just to manually replace these cats. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I have made a request here, so it should be fixed soon. G.A.S^talk 18:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. Maybe ask Farix or Collectonian if they'd like to jump on it themselves, though? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Dinoguy1000. May I please have your opinion regarding the cleanup of the Gundam categories here? Your comment would be appreciated. G.A.S^talk 14:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll have a look. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Just a shout out for this edit, fixing my mess of internal links, which led me to check out this page and learn more about how piped links work. Thanks for the inadvertent help! BlazerKnight (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem; it's not always easy seeing how piped links (or links in general) behave for new contributors. Many, in fact, go through several edits before they can figure out how to make a single functioning link! If you need any further help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask me, either. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I presume you would like a go at User:G.A.S/Sandbox1/Yu-Gi-Oh ^_^. Feel free to nominate the existing templates for deletion (with the suggestion that they be replaced). As this template was done from scratch, no merging was done, and thus the old ones may be deleted. G.A.S^talk 17:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I just came up on the edit to your sandbox adding a link to that, in my watchlist (if that makes sense ^_^;; ); I haven't had a peek just yet, though. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

By some strange coincidence, it does^_^. There is still quite a bit to be done, but I am signing off now. G.A.S^talk 17:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

All right, I'll have a look in a few minutes and do some work on it myself. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I assume you're also reading the volumes as you check them out. Are you enjoying them? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but of course! I always check chapter titles while reading the volumes; it's really the only way to fly. ^_^ And yes, the story is quite good IMHO. Unfortunately, it's looking for now like I'll only be able to get as far as volume 12, and I also need to have a look at the uploaded chapters on ShonenSunday.com to see if they're changing anything between the volumes and the online chapters. Are you reading the series at all yourself? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm keeping current with the scanlations, having read the first, um, I think only 10 volumes were out from Viz at the time, from the library. Where by "current" I mean, "wait for about a volume's worth to come out, then binge." I've added it to my list of series to collect used (now that Furuba is complete), but so far I've only found volumes you've already updated. But eventually, if no one else does so first, I hope to start writing volume summaries. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Aah, I half-expected you were reading the scanslations (shame on you! =D ). So you read manga through your local library, too, eh? How many series are you able to get through them (and what are some of them? I'm looking for recommendations since I'm coming up on the latest volumes of Eyeshield 21 and Cyborg 009)? As for summaries... I suppose at some point I should start practicing writing them. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

My local library usually has only the more popular (which means mostly shounen) series, and all-to-often only the first three and the last half-dozen volumes. I use them to check out a series, to see whether I want to continue. But it's where I first found Fruits Basket, and I currently have The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya checked out (which reminds me, it's probably due RSN). Not much there has caught my attention lately, tho'.

Since my continued employment depends on copyright law, I'm pretty strict about being honorable about scanlations: if it's licensed in English, I don't touch the scans unless I'm committed to also reading a legit copy, either bought or loaned. Even unto deleting my local copy when something does get licensed. OTOH, I have no qualms reading current scans of a series while getting the English volumes as they come out. All the better to talk up some buzz for the good stuff.

I have a suspicion you'd like the works of Mitsuru Adachi, if they'd ever get licensed in English. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

ETA: Oh, one good series I found in the library recently: With the Light. It's not exactly fluffy entertainment, though. And wasn't in the teen section. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you able to request stuff from other libraries? I'm fortunate enough that my local library (Carnegie-Shuyler Library, Pana, IL) is part of the Rolling Prarie Library System, of which about 60 other libraries in central Illinois are also members, so I can request stuff from pretty much all over the state (and the librarians here are willing to look "outside the system" for individual volumes if I hit a gap in a series I'm reading). Needless to say, I still haven't found the end of the manga I can request. ^_^

For a variety of reasons, I usually don't touch scanslations (or fansubs) myself, but when I do, I also try to steer clear of anything that's been licensed, and when I do read/watch a licensed property, I fully intend to purchase the licensed release when I get the money.

Hmm... I actually have poked around for some of his stuff, but I didn't find anything (I know at least one or two of his series have been licensed). Really, though, I haven't come across many manga series I can't stand (Liling Po is the only one that really sticks out; fortunately for me volume 1 is the only one in the system, since I force myself to read all consecutive volumes of a series once I start it ;P ).

As for With the Light, I had actually started on it after it was mentioned in a project discussion, and got as far as volume 3 before all 4 volumes vanished from the system, without a trace! I just spent about 10 minutes looking in every way I could think of, but couldn't turn up hide or hair of them! It was so frustrating! DX 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Our library is a little weird about its inter-library loans. Within the system, which covers our county, it's a shared collection, but you have to go through hoops for outside it, with apparently random due-dates and heavy fines. I haven't tried using it for manga yet.

The only Adachi licensed in English is two volumes of early short stories, Short Program. I'm up to v2 of With the Light, but our system doesn't have v3 (though it does have v4). The ways and means of library funding, I can only conclude, are not for mere mortals to comprehend. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hah, sounds like bureaucracy in action. Out of curiosity, about where do you live?

Well, I know some of his stuff does sound interesting. Good luck finding volume 3, and if you'd like an inside look at the bureaucracy behind libraries, perhaps you'd fancy a webcomic? A lot of the stuff is pretty funny, and it's surprising how much lines up with my own observations (yeah, I spend a lot of time at the library ^_^ ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I've enough friends an MLS to get why Unshelved is, indeed, very funny, speaking as an Arizonan. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... MLS = Metro Library System? And Arizona, eh? I have a couple of uncles down there, in the Mesa area (and my grandparents used to live in Phoenix, years ago). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Er, no this MLS. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Aah, that makes a bit more sense. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I think i did untick it jsut checked and it was unticked hopefulyl fixed now, thanks for alerting me to where i mucked up :)--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thought you'd want to know... Could not find any announcements on en.wiki yet - probably a matter of time. G.A.S^talk 18:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, the Signpost has been following flagged revisions for a while now, and have already reported its pending activation on-wiki. Many of the other topics that article touches on have also been covered in recent (and not-so-recent) issues of the Signpost. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I usually wait until news is mentioned on the watchlist or site notices... General subscriptions tend to end up in my archives/trash without being read;). I saw this on slashdot's RSS feed myself. G.A.S^talk 19:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL, you could just stick a Signpost box (like the one I have above) on your talk page or some other page you frequently view... 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I highly doubt that. No IP would be regarded highly in the wikipedia community because at least 90% are vandals. Gune (talk) 19:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Obviously, you don't actually pay close attention to IP addresses. The only reason IPs are predominantly thought of as vandals is because non-vandalism IP edits are usually just quietly accepted without much fanfare, while vandalism edits tend to get made a big deal out of ("reverted x edits by 999.999.999.999 identified as LYK ZOMG ITS VANLASIM!!!!!!1!! to last version by YourNameHere"). However, there is one address I can immediately think of, User:74.137.108.115, who is well-respected at the help desk, is frequently asked to create a user account (which he has always refused to do), and has been told more than once that if IP addresses could be made administrators, various users would support him in a bid for it. In a case closer to home, if you will, the IP address User:78.105.51.236 recovered their account (User:Akata) after I asked them for some help after they made an edit to List of Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle chapters, and they are now becoming increasingly active in the project.

While it is true that a significant number of vandalism edits are made by IPs (for some reason, 97% sticks in my head), a surprisingly low percentage of IP edits are actually vandalism - 25% would be a fairly high estimate, AFAIK. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Any reason you changed all of those? I was under the impression all citation dates use DD-MM-YYYY format.陣内_Jinnai 20:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

They did for a while, but several months ago the templates were changed to allow other date formats as well. Of course, date formats in refs probably aren't that big a deal, but I felt like a (really tedious) change of pace, so I went ahead and switched them. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:-) Yeah, I saw that someone had nominated that and thought it would be good for a laugh before someone speedy closed it. It's good to let loose every now and then, I say. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

So you mind if I close it, then? Nothing wrong with a bit of humor, but there's plenty of uptight folks around here that may not take too kindly to it. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely. It's actually already been closed, and I was going to do it myself if it wasn't done shortly after my comment. Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Aah, good good. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately only Stewards may delete the sandbox:-).¹ G.A.S^talk] 20:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep; I thought about pointing out its 100k+ edit history, but didn't. Like the closing admin said, though, I'd bet that would turn into a humorous discussion; I'll have to remember it for the next day of tomfoolery. =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

 Works for me ;-D Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 20:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

While in general the template looks good, I do not understand the order the characters are listed - it is neither alphabetical nor in order of appearance. Edward321 (talk) 13:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

That's because there is no real order - I simply listed characters as I found their articles (I started with the character lists and then compared against the category, as I recall). Please feel free to reorder the characters either alphabetically or by appearance; I can do the former but have no idea on the latter (also feel free to correct any problems you may see in the protagonist/antagonist/other divisions; I honestly can't remember where I got that from (more than likely from the characters list, but...)). =) --Dinoguy1000 (talk · contribs) as 72.251.177.151 (talk) 01:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. I'll revise to alphabetical order, since that will be easier for most people to use. Edward321 (talk) 21:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

All right, looks good. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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Did you try the novel section on the Del Rey Manga subsite? [1] Doceirias (talk) 20:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Aah, thanks! I didn't even know Del Rey's site had a novels section (really, it's because I'm not terribly observant or something)... =P 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

More template fun! I've started the split of List of Dragon Ball Z episodes into seasons lists. However, I can not figure out a trick for hiding the summaries on both List of Dragon Ball Z episodes and List of Dragon Ball episodes. Right now, its only working on the former after I did a template change. Thoughts? Ideas? Should we just killed List of Dragon Ball episodes and move List of Dragon Ball episodes (series) back there and give up on having a single all encompassing list? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'd give up on an all-encompassing list - the DB and DBZ anime were always treated as separate series, so I really don't see the justification for trying to list everything on a single page. Other than that, the only thing to do is either hack in a second parameter for page name, or use markup in the lists to match more than one pagename (e.g. {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|List of Dragon Ball Z episodes|{{PAGENAME}}|{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|List of Dragon Ball episodes|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}, or the much more succinct {{PAGENAME}}; either one is going to trigger the checks at WP:CHECKWIKI though). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dinoguy1000 on keeping the lists of episodes separate. This will not only keep the page at a reasonable size, but also keeps the two separate series separate. There are significant differences in the series. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

You both make good sense. Tagging List of Dragon Ball episodes for deletion to make way for moving List of Dragon Ball episodes (series) there. Think Template:Dragon Ball should be updated to have the individual season links for Z? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep... not sure the best way to do it, though; we really don't have a precedent for this. =/ 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 00:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

For now, I've just delinked the main list in prep for the move. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I dont know what you did copying some chapter-list-page info over to the main article but that had some outdated info. also you erased my edit about vol33 being released by darkhorse on aug 26,09 so i changed it...your work is admireable just try not to overwrite newer information will old stuff..thx...Mace Windu (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Good catch, I've updated the chapter list accordingly. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed this edit to your monobook.js. Just thought I give a friendly warning to be careful of this script around ANN news links or any other external links containing ISO dates. It likes to covert the ISO dates in the links as well as everywhere else. :( --Farix (Talk) 03:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up - Collectonian's customized version of Lightmouse's date script suffers from the same problem. It should be trivial to set up a heuristic that checks if dates are inside URLs, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to do so. =( And as an aside, is my monobook.js on your watchlist? I found *this* script because I've had yours watchlisted for awhile... ^_^ 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 03:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nah, I sometimes check other WP:ANIME editor's contributions from time to time to see what they've been up to. Looking over your monobook.js, I just might steal borrow a few scripts off of you. ;) --Farix (Talk) 03:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Heheh, looking at other monobook.js files is where I got most of my scripts from (I'm not sure, but I may have gotten one or two other scripts from your file as well)... =) In addition, I have a handful of other users' files on my watchlist so I can keep an eye out for new stuff. In the meantime, I've put in a couple of requests for the ISO date converter - one to address the URL issue, and the other for adding a summary automatically (because I'm lazy XD ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 03:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I've left a message on Talk:List of Death Note episodes. NarSakSasLee (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I've left another one. NarSakSasLee (talk) 16:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a look after a while. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

The new templates are great...until I need to add a new entry. Then I have to manually renumber every last one to put them in order :( Anyway around that? Went to add my new GA and tried upping all the numbers by 10 and it put a big gap in it. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 22:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the simplest way around that is reversing the order of the icons so that the ones farther to the right are older. If I took the time and did some experimenting, I could probably create a metatemplate that would allow the current ordering to be preserved without requiring you to go to such lengths adding new ones, but I don't even want to *imagine* what its code would look like (not to mention, that would mean I'd actually have to take the time to *create* those other promised top icon templates... =D ). =P --Dinoguy1000 (talk · contribs) as 72.251.177.151 (talk) 04:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Can you check if 13 Nichi wa Kin'youbi? is similar to its previously Afded version. If yes then it will fail into recreation of deleted article/content and so CSD could be used. Thanks.

N.B: Why i'm writing such complex sentences when i suck in English --KrebMarkt 19:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a near-identical copy, except for some stuff in the infobox and a couple of typos in the paragraph that weren't in the deleted version. Will CSD as recreated deleted info in a second... (and response to your N.B: don't worry if you end up writing complex sentences; you're far more understandable than you think you are, even if your grammar isn't perfect yet. =) ) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --KrebMarkt 06:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well we know that we will eventually have to update our list of RS...

No need to remember me that. To annoy you, try to read that without rolling over the floor howling for mercy. The part concerning manga starts at the last tier of the discussion. --KrebMarkt 21:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, talk about TL;DR (and the hell was with that random porn image? (yeah yeah, germane to the topic at hand...))... o_O 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

That talks between two vetted experts in Comics field so any comics illustrations can be justified in a scholarly way :p

The part opposing Osaka & Tokyo gives a new reading of the opposition between authorship manga (Osaka) & mainstream manga (Tokyo) --KrebMarkt 21:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

It does sound interesting; I'll have to find the time to actually read through it at some point then. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Copy-pasted the relevant parts here. While it may be an hard sell to directly cite this discussion as reference, it still gives a few trails of reflexion. --KrebMarkt 08:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the condensed version; there's definitely some interesting tidbits in there. Maybe it would be useful as a worldwide reception of manga or something? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

For next round of improvement of the manga article (After GA), we should be write a criticism section of manga inside & outside Japan + a cultural superpower section manga with anime the Japan "soft power". Hollywood movies = Anime + Manga as global cultural product. From memories the 2nd most translated language in France after English is Japanese. The opposition between Osaka & Tokyo can be handled in History of manga.

N.B. : Fixing DBZ soundtracks is very painful :( not sure i will not roll over the floor with convulsions before finishing them --KrebMarkt 19:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Not sure how involved I'll be in actually working on the anime/manga articles, but I'll try to do *something* at some point. And re your N.B.: I'm surprised you haven't run away screaming yet! =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

DBZ soundtracks sweep is warranted & forgone conclusion so i had time prepare myself psychologically to the shock but i really didn't expected that. Another forgone one is the Evangelion franchise soundtracks that no one mentioned yet. perhaps i should ask for an auto-facepalm gadget for Christmas. --KrebMarkt 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we never really did much with soundtrack/album/etc. articles/lists before you and Quasi did all the work on List of Aria (manga) soundtracks, so by and large, these articles are in a worse state than pretty much any other type of articles in our scope. As for a facepalm gadget... you mean something like this? (I don't know how to change the font size or add a picture or anything yet, so this'll have to do for now...) =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool tool, love shiny new toy. Jinnai is bringing List of Popotan soundtracks to FL review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrebMarkt (talk • contribs) 18:53, 12 September 2009

Yep, I especially love your description of it: "REALLY SERIOUS TOOL"! XD (note to self: look into customizing popup to make text REALLY BIG and include an image) As for the Popotan soundtracks list: yeah, I saw that; here's hoping it passes so we have an FL example already! =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

May I suggest that you not close an Afd with the notation that the article has been speedily deleted until after the article has been speedily deleted? Seventeen minutes after you said it had been deleted, it hasn't been deleted! —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I did delete Nom con... but it seems Genesisgoboom (talk · contribs) created the article under more than one title. I'll check his contributions and get any others in a second; thanks for the heads-up. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The series' kanji is 銀魂 but Shueisha also writes it as ぎんたま on their site. Since it is official I tried adding it to the article as "also written as..." but it doesn't appear within the nihongo template. I thought it was hiragana, but I'm not sure. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 02:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

It appears that you got it to work right. Other than that, I'm really not sure of the preferred method to handle alternate titles like that; you may want to ask the project. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thats an easy one, WSJ's readers aren't going to be expected to know the kanji, In print they would use furigana to give the kana form. That's hard to render on screen, so they use kana.I think "also written as" would be fine. At least, that's my conclusion. nihonjoe could offer a agreement or correction I'm sure. Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, DinoAdmin,

After discussion with TheFarix, i tried to upload a shinier version of the xxxHolic cover. However upon uploading the new file version, i receive an error message indicating that the file already exist in Wikipedia Commons. A message likes that:

A file with this name exists at the Wikimedia Commons. You can:

• go back and upload this file to Wikipedia using a different name.
• upload it to Commons, if your intent is to replace the image that already exists with a better version.

File:$1
$1

I made a search for that file in wiki commons and found nothing.

You can try to reproduce the bug as i conveniently stockpiled the new file version here

I think that a certain database is screwed up :(

Thanks Admin Dino. --KrebMarkt 09:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, there's no need to stress the fact that I'm an admin, I'm quite aware of it already. =) I was able to upload the new version of the file myself (you still need to update the source though, unless it's a self-made scan, in which case you should probably specify that), and your description definitely sounds like some sort of bug caused by the recent MediaWiki upgrades that has apparently been fixed since then. If you need anything else done requiring admin action, feel free to ask (especially since I like to bug you with stuff too XD )! 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was caused by the recent upgrades. See WP:VPT#Image update problem and bugzilla:20677. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The rationals are fine and beside i can't put link to gray area website/forum. Thanks you. --KrebMarkt 17:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that up, I didn't realize that it was creating any problems having that there with the auto-category stuff. I guess it was intended for people still with active blocks on. You are pretty good with that template stuff, like I wonder if your mods there could be made into a template for ex-blockeds. Tyciol (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem, but it's really pretty simple - just substitute the template (you have to save it before you can do anything else), then if you're not familiar with HTML and advanced wikimarkup, start cutting one piece at a time and preview to make sure you're not messing it up (if you are familiar with HTML/advanced wikimarkup, you can just start carving and maybe do a preview or two to make sure you didn't clip an extra character or something :evilgrin: ). Other than that, I'm really not sure how many ex-blockees would want to advertise that fact like that, but I could plop the code into a new template if you'd like. One last note, I'm very appreciative that you were able to talk calmly and civilly to me here, even given how we disagreed in the past (I'm not implying anything of your demeanor here, but there are certainly people who would be unable to do so after that situation). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Since we can't still re-upload image, i need your help to delete an old version.

I blundered by uploading a Chinese cover instead of the Japanese one :(

The wrong Chinese version to delete: File:TenjhoTenge vol01 Cover.jpg

The correct Japanese version for comparison purpose: File:TenjhoTenge_Book_Cover.jpg‎

The difference is slight.

Thanks --KrebMarkt 20:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Krebmarkt prostrates full of admiration for Dinoguy1000. Heuuuh, isn't it a bit over the top?

Thanks. --KrebMarkt 18:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't really care either way, I was only editing the article to fix a link. TJ Spyke 20:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Copied and replied on your talk. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi ruler of the world :) I haven't seen you around recently; hope you are doing fine. I made a proposal for changing the case of the letter "C" in WikiProject banners. This is a drastically scaled down version of something you were planning once, but still met some opposition. Care to comment at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Class → class? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) _class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey MSGJ, I'm still around (ruling the world keeps you pretty busy, but I still manage to find time to hit up WP ;) ). I'll go and have a look, and see if I can offer anything to the discussion there (and just so you know, my larger proposal isn't dead or anything, but simply on ice until I find more motivation time to polish it). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:32, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about this! Was testing the fix to the bug you reported with {{db-u1}} on user talk pages. Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 15:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh, that's fine - don't worry about it! *chuckles to self* Testing is always an adventure, eh? ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Back from a wikibreak, and I noticed you've reverted edits about the new name of xxxHOLiC, xxxHOLiC - Seclusion (xxxHOLiC・籠). I'm not sure what would be the best thing to do but as of last week, it seems xxxHOLiC's name was changed, and the story underwent a timeskip after the events of the last few chapters. The numbering still continues onward however, so it doesn't seem to be a complete sequel, and there doesn't seem to be enough of the latest volume for it to spark its own new volume(s) starting last week. It looks like it could either be a sequel, a second part of maybe an epilogue, but Young Magazine's site considers it a new title, different to xxxHOLiC. Akata (talk) 22:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Aah, welcome back, Akata, I'd been wondering where you vanished to! ^_^ As for xxxHolic, thanks for the heads-up - if you haven't already, could you add this to the xxxHolic article? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:06, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Although I've been tagging several images to be renamed, this one needs more immediate attention. —Farix (t | c) 20:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

 Done. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add pictures to this article: Change 123? I was wondering whether it would be possible to add a picture along with the main characters to give readers a better understanding of who the characters are. Or would another article need to be created concerning each character? I wanted to consult you first seeing as my edits are hardly welcome thesedays and I have no idea how to add pictures. Cali boi16 (talk) 18:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... well, the problem is that the article doesn't show how the series has any notability - all it is is a plot summary and character descriptions consisting of even more plot summary. Establishing its notability is one of the first things that need to be done, but that could be difficult given it only appears to be licensed in France, Spain, and Argentina; it doesn't seem to have an ANN entry; and some brief Google searches didn't turn up any coverage from reliable sources. You can ask User:KrebMarkt if he can dig up any French reviews or coverage, but it really doesn't look too promising at this point (on the other hand, though, it appears to be ongoing, so there's always the possibility of future coverage or an English license). As far as how welcome your edits are, though, you did kind of start off on the wrong foot here, but you shouldn't have any problems if you stick to more minor stuff for now like spelling fixes until you are more familiar with wikimarkup and the various guidelines. In the meantime, please feel free to ask me any editing questions you may have; that's what I'm here for. *really, really trying to not sound like I'm talking down to you* =) --Dinoguy1000 (talk · contribs) as 208.124.86.54 (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and I thank you for that. I have another concern about the structure of the article. I've kinda made Change 123 my little pet project as I'm a fan of the series and overhauled the shotty structure since I first came to the article. I've corrected many errors in grammar/typos/clarification and still have much work to do on the page. So, in your recommendation, is there anything you'd alter about the structure of the article? Or do you have any other recommendations about how I can improve the article further? Cali boi16 (talk) 06:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I would again stress that one of the first things you need to do is try to establish notability for the series - as I said above, I couldn't find anything in English after a brief look, but there may be some in French or Spanish. If you insist on working on the article regardless of that, though, a general outline for article structure can be found at WP:MOS-AM - the basic gist is that the characters section needs to be trimmed way back, and the article needs a media section (is the manga the only component to the series, or was it adapted into any anime series or OVAs or anything?). Just keep in mind that as long as notability remains unestablished, the article may be prodded or nominated for deletion at any time, and by any editor. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, so far Change 123 only consists of a manga series and has not been adapted into any form of "Media". The characters section covers each of the characters roles since beginning to chapter 10. So it's a character summary for each character. Basically the main portion of this article consists of characters so it's understandable to see why these character summarys have been added. I've added a reference I think establishes notability. Is it viable?

Excerpt(You can follow the link at the Change 123 article):

• Change 123 (ちぇんじ123, Chenji Hi-Fu-Mi) is a manga series written by Iku Sakaguchi and illustrated by Shiuri Iwasawa, published in Akita Shoten's Champion Red since June 20, 2005.^[1] Cali boi16 (talk) 22:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, while Akita Shoten's website is a reliable source, it cannot be used to establish notability since it is the publisher's website, which makes it a primary source. I still recommend asking KrebMarkt to see if he can find any French coverage, but I am happy to see you taking my other advice into consideration. =) As for the characters, generally character lists on main series articles should only list those characters that are central to the plot (so, for instance, Bleach (manga) would list Ichigo Kurosaki, Rukia Kuchiki, Uryu Ishida, Yasutora "Chad" Sado, and Orihime Inoue, and maybe one or two others (except in the case of Bleach, the characters section has been merged with the plot section, with a see also link to the character list)). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Is this a reliable secondary source. I pulled this directly from Taifu-Comics.com(French). Link: http://taifu-comics.com/p155/detail/Change_123.html . I decided to give you a link before I actually post it as a source. So you say I should add a "see also link" concerning characters merged with the plot section? Exactly how do I do that? Cali boi16 (talk) 18:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is the French publisher's website, which makes it reliable for proving that the series was licensed and released in France. It still won't demonstrate any notability, though. =( Also, I was merely using Bleach as an example in my above explanation, with a brief explanation as to why it didn't actually have a character list on the main article. Until notability is established for Change 123, though, you shouldn't split any articles or lists from it. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Well then. Now that notability has been established what do you recommend on exactly how we can add a "see also link"? Cali boi16 (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about that just yet, there's still plenty of cleanup that can be done on the main article as-is. ;) For starters, would you like to try reformatting the list of ISBNs and release dates into a proper volume list, using {{Graphic novel list}}? You can see an example of the resulting table (one I just got done creating, in fact ;) ) at Toto!: The Wonderful Adventure#Manga, and please don't hesitate to ask for help if you get stuck (just saying, since I have no idea how familiar you are with working with templates or anything). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Finally finished Change 123 Volume List. Check it out and lemme know what u think. Btw, thanks for helping to get me started on the volume list. Cali boi16 (talk) 04:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It's quite good - I noticed you seemed to have a little trouble getting the hang of adding new volumes, though; how much did you have to work at it? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I was working on it a good half hour before you helped. I was stuck on how to remove the English portion the whole time seeing as Change 123 doesn't have one. After you helped it only took me about another hour and half to add everything else. References were another hitch, but I resolved that in a few minutes. I took a break for a while then I finished later on. All and all it wasn't too bad. May I suggest we continue this article on my page. It seems continuing here is going to take up a major portion of your page if we continue. Cali boi16 (talk) 19:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's good to hear that you didn't have much trouble with it, even if it was time-consuming for you (keeping in mind that I am intimately familiar with {{Graphic novel list}}, I can knock out a 30-volume list from scratch, complete with Japanese and English refs, after about an hour and a half (well, TBH that's a complete guess, since I've never really timed myself) - just something for you to aim for, maybe =) ). And don't worry too much about moving the discussion - it started here, so I'd really prefer it stays here as well (and I really don't mind how much of my talk page it takes up, either). ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew you would have more experience concerning the {{Graphic novel list}} but I figured it would be unfair of me to have you do all the work on it if it was within my ability to do so myself. But you were again a great help getting me started so I figured I could finish it. So is there any other major concerns you see we could fix about the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cali boi16 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, as I said above, the characters stuff all needs trimmed waaay back. Also, all those reviews KrebMarkt added links to need to be translated and summarized into a "Reception" section, and if you're lucky, there'll be enough comments on characters to be able to do a decent character list. At some point, since the series is ten volumes long and ongoing, splitting the volume list will also be justified, and it's gonna need the original Japanese chapter names and a summary of each volume. Other than that, a lot of the work comes down to general cleanup, sourcing, and copyediting. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, if you could help out with half of that it would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure I could trim back the character "summaries" and add simply what is relevant to the character(s). And I think I can manage the Japanese titles and volume summaries though with the translated reception section I will need assistance with. I probably won't start today as I have things to do but I will be sure to get on what you recommend tommarow. If you could help it would be great. It seems I really have my hands full lately. Cali boi16 (talk) 20:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

KrebMarkt may be intending to follow up on the reception himself; it probably wouldn't hurt to ask him about it. I can split the chapter list for you and do some other general work, but I have never read the series, so I can't write plot summaries or help much with character descriptions. Still, I'll see what I can do as I find the time, and keep in mind that there's no need to rush. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

FYI -- there is a discussion at [2] as to whether or not to allow the use of the all-numeric YYYY-MM-DD format in footnotes/references.

I'm mentioning it to you in the event that you would like to join in the discussion or follow it, as I recognize that this is an issue you have been interested in in the past. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Our Brazilian IP stroke again this time not in the English space but in the French space. --KrebMarkt 19:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

All right... I'm not sure what you're expecting me to do, though; I'm only an admin on en.wp... ;) (and on a side note: interesting to see that the French WP:ANIME also covers manhwa and manhua) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Yea, can't do much but now there are no more doubts about the vandal nature of that Brazilian IP. So shoot at it at sight.

Logical choice for manhwa and manhua, same publishers & collections, same websites & paper publications covering them and personally there are too few manhwa and manhua published in France to warrant a viable project. 92 manwha & 23 manhua published in 2008 to be compared to the 1318 manga released the same year.

Out of curiosity, do you know how many manga are published in North America? --KrebMarkt 18:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

No idea for sure, but I've heard 1300-1400 bandied about quite a bit. Jason Thompson would probably be in the best position for giving an accurate count and licensing/release rate. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I mean between project members see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alyson_Burajiru/Archive That's our Brazilian IP. --KrebMarkt 20:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Good find! I'll have to watch that, then. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Tried to stir the issue with the novel project Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/GeneralForum#Light_novel_covers but not much reply.

I guess we are on our own this time. (Why i'm not surprised)

I support creation of a cat for light novel covers as a sub-cat of novel covers. --KrebMarkt 19:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I say just go ahead and create it, then. If anyone wants to complain after that, let them. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 20:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That's unexpected, since I know one of the first questions asked in any RFA is "What administrative work do you intend to take part in?". Your answer seems more like "if you give me the tools, I'll be there for you, but not until you ask", which IMO doesn't really go with what I believe an admin should be there for. I'm curious; if you wanted to become an admin, but were uninterested in doing any real administrative work, then why ask for the tools? Not to mention that you admit to having little time to check the administrative boards anyway. I would like to say, though, that I do see you around WP:ANIME a lot, taking part in discussions and whatnot, and usually I myself don't unless I'm very interested in what is being discussed, or has some connection to my work here. I am also of the opinion that WP:ANIME (which consists of the majority of my edits) has quite a few admins already, and what with me not really being involved in other aspects of Wikipedia including BLP or much of the red tape and bureaucracy, I honestly don't see how I could contribute anything more than is already available. Yes, I could use the tools in certain situations to make my life a little easier, but it's not really all that often that it's a problem not to have them, I guess I would say.

What I'm really surprised about is why hasn't anyone asked Collectonian yet, while I have been asked 4 times already? She's a far more better (and far more active) user than I in areas where an admin would be valuable IMO.--十八 21:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Collectonian was actually asked a while ago, but declined. 1, 2. G.A.S^talk 04:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Well then, at least I'm not the only one to turn down the mop multiple times :P. --十八 05:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

As G.A.S said, Collectonian has been asked more than once if she'd like to run for admin (and has also been asked several times why she isn't one and hasn't run for the mop yet). As for the rest of your question, Juhachi, I actually didn't ask for the tools myself - User:Mbisanz approached me first (by email, if I recall) asking if I'd be willing to run if he nommed me. Truth be told, I actually considered declining his offer, but curiosity got the better of me - I'd been wondering for a while how I'd do at RFA, and what kind of advice I might get from it, so I went ahead and accepted. I was actually rather surprised at the basically unilateral support I got from everyone who commented. And yeah, I do watch WP:ANIME rather closely, and like you, I usually only comment where it affects my work or interests me; I guess it's just that my interests are more in line with what is usually being discussed or something...? And admins in WP:ANIME... yeah... let's see, there's me, G.A.S, Sephiroth BCR, and Nihonjoe (the ones I can remember off the top of my head, and there's bound to be a good half-dozen who have the userbox or category on their userpage, but who don't watch WT:ANIME in any capacity) - of us, Sephiroth has been MIA since around May and Nihonjoe, I think, spends most of his time at WP:JAPAN. I guess, then, we do have a decent ratio of admins to non-admins among our active members, but more couldn't hurt. =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The wrong ratio is new editors for experienced editors not enough new editors in our project. A bunch of editors at +10K edits and more, a handful around +5K (that me) and too few below. --KrebMarkt 17:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

True enough, we do seem to have trouble attracting and keeping new members. =( 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

If you ask me, the reason for that lies somewhere around here and here. Goodraise 18:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep... most new members don't have the patience to learn all those pesky guidelines and policies (it's a secret, but most of my knowledge of them comes from observing their application, rather than actually reading them ;) ), and anime/manga fans aren't exactly renowned for their acceptance of and patience with new faces (in my experience, at least). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, with such criteria the second part of the material in pop cultural references could be considered "original research" too.

On the side note - I can provide a screen for my edition, but it's legally ambigous and similiarity between both tree projects is clear reference.

Using your argumentation - we cannot write that scene in Capu2 is clear reference to few famous horror movies ("Scream", "Friday the third", "Nightmare from Elms Street"), even if characterisation is obvious. But, because no one wrote an article about cultural references in "R+V"(and let's be frank about this - no one ever will) there is no way to expand these section.

And yeah - the part about Tsubasa reference is as well documented, no to mention "neutral point of view" part. So we will do either way - remove both entries, or adjust them both accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.191.135.225 (talk) 21:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Technically speaking, any statement in an article that is unsourced is original research. From a policy standpoint, however, facts that are very obvious do not need a source (for instance "the sky is blue" and, in the context of Rosario + Vampire, "Tsukune Aono is the protagonist" are both blatantly obvious, and do not need sources). What you are doing, though, is comparing two primary sources to arrive at a conclusion - this is not just original research, but also personal synthesis (stating what manga chapters each episode is adapted from is also this type of synthesis). No matter how obvious it is to you, regardless of the likelihood that your specific observation may never come up in reliable third-party commentary on the series, and regardless of other places where such information is present, this type of information is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia and I will continue to remove it as necessary. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

So the part about "Tsubasa" reference is not personal synthesis? Autor compares two anime and states, that part of one is "very good" (it's personal opinion) parody of the second. There is no citation, no outside sources provided. Is it as obvious as the color of the sky (which - for your information - is really not that obvious considering, that it depends on time, weather among many other factors)?--79.191.135.225 (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't actually look at the Tsubasa reference TBH; I'm busy with some other things at the moment. But if the author himself makes the comparison between Rosario and Tsubasa, then it's a valid comparison and has a place in the article (I think in a Production section, but not sure, and still needs a cite regardless). As for the "color of the sky" bit, I was merely using that as an illustration as it is used as an example in several places where sourcing is discussed. It's a poor example, granted, but one that should be near-universal. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 21:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

By author you mean author of the manga? Anime? Or someone who - thanks to personal synthesis - found this reference and put it into wiki? Because there is no source proving that it was deliberate reference to "Tsubasa". It's not obvious, it's not documented(nor will be, mind my words), yet it's valid. So - think again about the way you use wiki criterias, because you reasoning is full of holes. At this point I dont care anymore, but still - maybe you should think this thoroughly one more time? I am pain in the back part of human anatomy and I'm well aware of that - but I highly dislike when people do things without secong thought. --79.191.135.225 (talk) 21:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I mean the author of the manga. But, now that I look, the only mention of Tsubasa I can see is in the Pop Culture References section, which states that the beginning of episode 5 is a parody of Captain Tsubasa. The way it reads currently, it is definitely synthesis, but if it's true, there's bound to be a reference (probably in Japanese) confirming it. If none can be found, though, it will eventually have to be removed, and I personally question why it merits mention in the first place anyways - it seems very trivial to me. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

And there is one litle problem - with such criterias in less popular titles there will be no cultural references stated. We are talking here about manga and anime, ecchi/commedy at that... There will be no documented sources about pop cultural references and it's highly unlikely that author himself will say anything about it. If you ask about merits - it's valid, because it's cultural reference. It's tribute, "easter egg", homage or simple parody - for listing such elements is that section. Without little synthesis of the wiki authors this section will be removed - because there will be no essays or critical approaches about cultural impact of "R+V", not until ecchi manga will be considered "mainstream" and important part of culture ( I don't want to use such a cruel word as "never", but... ). I advise more constructive approach for such sections, for less popular titles at least. It's tradeoff and I'm well aware of that. When you're citing source, you're referencing to personal synthesis of some other person. Which is fine when you reference to some well acknowledged research. The "problem" with art (whether high or popular) lies in interpretation. In country where I live, which become semi-democratic ten years ago there are many examples of acknowledged literature professors that write completelly different analises of a book in relatively short time span. The book remained the same - I mind you, it's the political system that changed. So - yeah, it's obviously spoof from Captain Tsubasa, and we may consider it not important enought to be part of an article. The article will have better grade, but IMHO will be poorer. Thats the tradeoff I'm talking about. --79.191.135.225 (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The thing about content on Wikipeida is, if it has not been published elsewhere by a reliable source, then it can't be published here. We cannot add our own views, opinions, analysts, interpretations, or observations into an article. This is a combination of WP:NOT#OR and WP:NOR. The Captain Tsubasa reference can be challenge and probably should be removed unless someone adds a reference. But I also agree with Dinoguy that it is rather trivial and doesn't fit in with the rest of the article. —Farix (t | c) 00:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

As Farix said - this idea is a bit difficult for some people to grasp, but it's how Wikipedia has always (and will always) worked. I would suggest starting a fansite if you still want to publish these types of observations. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 07:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm probably not that much of a fan. But after thinking this through I agree that such section should probably be part of wikia's/fansites rather than wikipedia. After clearing that one out I think we may end this discussion. Thanks for quick response. --95.49.213.253 (talk) 13:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

All right, glad you came to understand our position, and here's hoping you become a (semi?)regular contributor to Wikipedia. =) (BTW, sorry if I sounded snappish above - as I said, I was rather distracted at the time, but it's really no excuse =( ) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:31, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

No offence intended, none taken.--79.191.130.123 (talk) 00:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I've replied on my own talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 18:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

You wrote "source(s) plx?" regarding the last revision I made to the List of Penguin Musume Heart episodes, where I added parodies for a couple of titles, yet I see no evidence of sources cited for any other parodies. My only source is simple comparison.

For episode 18, I'm fully ready to doubt that the title was meant to parody Karei-naru Ichizoku, mostly because I'd never heard of it before and it's not an anime or manga; on the other hand, Back to the Future (ep 15) is about the farthest thing from Japanimation I can imagine so I'm not gonna limit myself to anime/manga so easily, and ep 8 also claims to parody a novel (it's a brief note in the article, but Karei-naru Ichizoku was originally a novel). Not to mention, the striking similarity is there. My money's on the title being a parody of the novel. I'd rather put it in and someone come along to say it's wrong or there's something better than leave it out and no one ever considers the possibility.

For episode 22, I have to ask if you even looked at the original, Japanese title for Socrates in Love. It matches the ep 22 title perfectly except for "sakende"/"sakebu" and "dasshutsu". I can tell you, this title doesn't really have anything to do with the episode's contents either, so, esp. for its length, I find it incredibly difficult to imagine that the titles' similarities are just a coincidence; as far as I'm concerned, it must be a parody.

174.71.125.141 (talk) 05:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see the above discussion. In particular, this is personal synthesis (comparing two sources to reach a conclusion not explicitly stated in either source). I didn't touch the other ones because I simply didn't bother to - truth be told, I'm rather lazy about this type of stuff. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

That here

To lazy to digest the reviews & to write the reception part :p

The Korean publisher official pages is incomplete missing vol. 9 and lack ISBN numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrebMarkt (talk • contribs) 13:59, 4 October 2009

Looks good so far. I'll copy my chapter list to it (and tweak a thing or two) in a second. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you use MSN? Could you please contact me @ [redacted], Or just send me an email,

Thankyou! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.108.179 (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello 72.220.108.179, unfortunately, I don't accept solicitations for emails from on-wiki except in very specific circumstances, and definitely not for what appears to be a request for general discussion of an article. If there is a valid reason that I should email you, though, I would appreciate if you described it for me, and it would also be good for you to register an account and email me via the on-wiki email feature. Sorry! 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

A few hours ago I was debating the likelyhood of any Love Hina chracters other then the two we have achieving notability. Mutsumi possibly, but it depends on the coverage. However Kaolla Su just showed up in the template and linked the character list. I have no doubt that Su will never demonstrate independant notability, what's your opinion? I'm for redirecting or afd'ing as I don't see any chance of any real coverage. Dandy Sephy (talk) 11:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Saw the same myself. Given the source cited, and the (unusual) fact that this character never had an article before, it seems appropriate to redirect it back to the list. G.A.S^talk 12:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm probably not the best person to ask on notability issues, especially for character articles. However, there's nothing in her article right now to suggest notability, and if you say she's not notable, I have no reason to doubt you (especially with all the work you've put into the Love Hina articles =) ). I'd have to agree, then, that the best course of action is probably simply to redirect it back to the character list. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence :) I looked at 20-30 pages of reviews, features and such on ANN, Mania and a couple of other reliable sites at the weekend for stuff to add and her name was only ever mentioned in passing (and rarely at all). Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Really? That's a bit of a shame, I always thought she was one of the more interesting characters... =/ 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

She doesn't really do much, a couple of chapters aside. Well, aside from jump kicking Keitaro in the head for no reason at all :p I've redirected and left a note on the users talk page. Is it worth setting up redirects for the other residents/mutsumi? Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

It couldn't hurt, I suppose. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, they already exist as redirects :P That was obviously before I joined! Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Heheh, in that respect, then, are you sure there aren't any other redirects for Su? Her name seems to be spelled more than one way in English (with or without a macron, and personal name-surname/surname-personal name) - or am I just confusing her with Ku Fei from Negima? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Checked the combinations of likely variations (double-u, single L), nothing. How do I type a macron :p Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Try looking here instead. ;) In particular, note Amalla Suu and Amalla Su. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I spotted that Narusegawa Naru redirected to the list instead of Naru Narusegawa (and if anyone questions that one staying, then i've got plenty of ammo on standby :P). Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

It may help to check redirects to the main article and some of the other articles as well; redirects can end up pointing in strange places, and there aren't many people who bother cleaning them up (in our project, at least). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll add it to the list. Only the main article, keitaro and Naru pages, character list, episode and chapter lists, merge to/start album list, start Game list and check all the redirects left to do *dies*. Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Heh, just take it one task at a time - no one can do everything you've listed, but if you break it up and take your time, you'll be through it all faster than you realize. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 18:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I can't do anything on the main article until it's copy edited... I'm hoping it's ready, I keep finding new issues whenever I think it's done. Naru's page complete rewrite I started sandboxing in feb, I think i've only gone back to it twice since, and for minor things. I'm not touching it until I finish rereading the manga to make life easier (which i'm doing slowly and I'm up to vol10). Not that it's worth moving to mainspace until i do the anime section - which requires rewatching the show first. I just want the main article finished and I'll feel better :P Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I like your opinions on some of Bread Ninja's comments. At Talk:Sailor Moon#a few questions, she is starting to become disruptive. And the whole discussion at Talk:Neon Genesis Evangelion: Angelic Days#Unreferenced and Talk:Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime)#Manga and anime of nge is overly confrontational and shows an unwillingness to accept a consensus that differs from her own opinions. —Farix (t | c) 21:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a look later, if I have any spare time. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

See: Witch Hunter (manhwa) & List of Witch Hunter Manwha Characters

Wrong infobox, wrong book cover & images thanks scanlation power, wrong images licensing....

For more see that user edits to get them all.

That series is probably notable thanks to its licensing in France.

Family diner for me so no hope for extended editing tonight in France which those articles would require.

Thanks --KrebMarkt 17:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Eek, there's definitely work to be done there! o_O I'll see what I can do after a bit, thanks for the heads-up and enjoy your dinner! =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok send the bunch of files into Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2009_October_3#Mawha_series_related., tagged the files & warned the uploader. All remains the notability issue, the fan page like character list and the wrong infobox. --KrebMarkt 10:28, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

All right, sounds good. Everything else needing looked at (notability, infobox, character page) will have to wait for next week, though. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Now that I get back to looking at this, note that this article was previously requested at WP:ANIME/REQUEST (archived here); you moved it to the manhwa list, but did find some apparently usable reviews in French. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Not in hurry mode for this one knowing it was reviewed many time in the past by French RS. Good thing that i don't have much research to re-do. I'm lazy you know. --KrebMarkt 02:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Mheh, I think we're all a bit lazy here; at least, that's why I spend so much time on Wikipedia... =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)