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Would you like to have the Autoreview right back? I noticed that you'd requested that it be withdrawn, no doubt due to an overwhelming feeling of ennui when you found that it really didn't do that much, but since you create a lot of new articles, it might spare the folks at NPP and would avoid some of the business noted above at Cleveland Athletic Club. It's reasonably clear that you're not going to write articles about your MySpace band, the Most Beautiful Girl in the World, or the Upper Peninsula War. Acroterion _(talk) 19:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

My understanding of new page patrol is that it provides a venue to review and assist the construction of new articles while weeding out inappropriate submissions.

I enjoy having my articles reviewed and improved. I understand the concern that my article creations are flooding the system, so I'm willing to become an autoreviewer if that will benefit the project. But I don't relish the thought of getting special treatment, of avoiding the screening and occasional assistance that additional eyes on my article projects brings, or a diminshment of the excitement that comes with trying to ensure that article subjects survive the tagging and deletion barrage.

If my understanding of the purpose of new page patrol is mistaken, and its just about preventing hoaxes and garbage from getting into the encyclopedia, then I wonder how others will be encouraged to notice what I'm working on and help out? Where does the colelgial collaboration and cooperation come into play?

Again, I'm willing to wear the ignoble mark of an autoreviewer, but if given that dubious status I fully intend to promote as many myspace bands, local stand-up comedians, and weblogs as I can find, especially those of my own making. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe you have to get a tattoo on your forehead, so perhaps it might be best to decline after all. Personally, I tend to look at new pages that interest me regardless of whether they're yellow or white on the page and jump in where I have something constructive to offer. I understand your feelings on the subject, though, and appreciate your food, architecture and Cleveland-related articles (particularly the doughnuts), and your desire to have your writing reviewed. Acroterion _(talk) 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Just think how many fewer editors I'd meet if I wasn't getting all these messages asking me to become an autoreviewer! I agree about the doughnuts. That was some of my finest work. But there are photos coming for cookie salad and glorified rice, so the ringed and filled achievments may yet be bested by my work on Scandanavian American cuisine!!! (And there's a Broccoli salad article in the planning stages... it includes bacon!!!) And don't forget Strawberry delight. To think that there are those who claim all the important subjects have been covered!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Bacon!!! always merits exclamation marks. Acroterion _(talk) 20:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

And every time I see the words cookie salad, I feel better about the universe as a whole. (Also hungry.) GJC 23:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Surprisingly, the actual recipe food itself as prepared accoding to the established recipe is not something I desire to eat. But the concept is fairly awe inspiring. I prefer Willy Wonka's visions as opposed to concoctions buried in buttermilk and and various whipped cream substances. And what's with all the jello eating out there in the Midwest? Seven-layer salad minus the mayo is getting there. Bacon with spinach goes well. And salad frise with bacon is delightful. But no matter how fear inducing thier creations, we must admire the pioneers and innovators. And we all have different tastes I suppose. I'm a big fan of waffle cones and krumkake, so I appreciate the buffet approach to dining, picking and choosing items that I like from each cuisine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't like to eat almost any recipe, unless it's written on rice paper. ^Bongo_matic 01:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

If it weren't for Gladys repeatedly telling me to stay away from ANI, I was all set to add my strong support to the idea of banning you indefinitely. Of course forever might be preferable since you'd be required to humble yourself before me and to beg and plead for mercy with promises never to dare to do anything I remotely disagreed with ever again and to apologzie profusely for ever having deigned to differ from my professed wisdom. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I apologize profusely for ever having deigned to differ from your professed wisdom (however, consider this apology to apply to transgressions both past and future , which will be multitudinous). ^Bongo_matic 01:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on John Eisenmann requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Sasank Sleeper (talk) 22:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Enjoy. APK whisper in my ear 23:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You're going to get me in trouble. Am I labeled among the refuseniks? The deniers?

<brace yourself for rant>

Anyone who pretends that the science and the solutions are resolved is a monkey. Seriously. There is a real debate, and it's not just academic. It's about what the impacts of climate change are and will be, how to prediect them and whether they can be predicted, how best to invest in the planet's and humanity's future, and whether attempting to deal with CO2, as opposed to other issues, is worthwhile or effective in any case.

Only a very primitive intellect thinks they already know everything about a subject as complicated as the climate, and only a fool thinks knowledge is advanced by silencing anyone who raises questions, disputes findings, or offers alternative viewpoints.

Amusing photo, slightly. But the earthquake in Haiti, the Tsunami, and the destructive wildfires we've seen suggest that empowering people with education, economic development, and infrastructure should be priority number one. Let the kooks rant on in their ivory towers. They haven't been right about anything yet, including their failure to warn of the impending financial crisis.

If you're going to post random things here, you have to be ready for any kind of response! :) Happy New Year APK. I hope it's a good one for you. Stay cool. Or warm. As you see fit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 15, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Broučci, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool. It always please me when I can take credit for other people's work. Good job my Czech amigo! May the lightning bugs guide you and provide inspiration for all your journeys in life! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

You surely deserve credit for your inspiration and collaboration, ChildofMidnight. Thanks for the nice wish :) All the best also to you! --Vejvančický (talk) 09:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

-- DMS (talk) 15:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

When you have a moment to spare, could you let me know if you're happy with this photo so I can mark the request in Graphics Lab resolved. Many thanks. -- DMS (talk) 05:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you would like to expand the article of Cuisines of the Axis of Evil and Other Irritating States up for DYK.--Caspian blue 14:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, ChildofMidnight. I was glancing through the page history of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle Prater and am curious as to why you removed your comment with the words "I don't want to get in any scuffles." Cunard (talk) 01:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a two-way editing restriction for the nom and myself that we are not allowed to comment to or about each other. I don't see how voting in good faith in an AfD violates that, but there are so many trolls and disruptive characters running around, that it's just not worth it. Many of them have been coming after me for a long time, and being constantly attacked and smeared gets old after a while.

It's certainly unfortunate that the article may be deleted (and Perry Jones also), and I feel bad about not being in a good position to help try and keep it, but that's the way things are here on Wikipedia. There are lots of things that are messed up that I'm not in a position to do much about.

I also noticed that Grsz voted in that AfD but no others around the same time. It ceraintly looks like he was improperly canvassed, but maybe he has a reasonable explanation?

Anyway, I'm always sorry to see articles written in good faith about subjects that have been covered substantially in reliable independent sources get deleted, but as long as abuse like that engaged in by Bigtimepeace, Georgewilliamherbert and RD232 is allowed, it pays to be careful. I certainly hope that their aggressive pursuit of those they disagree with will be stopped, but there appears to be a cull in full swing of blocking and banning those who don't hold popular views here. That kind of jackbooted censorship is troubling, but I don't know what I can do about it. I've certainly been outspoken that intolerance and censorship is wrong and damaging. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

By numbers, the AfD looks like a "delete", but I hope the it gets closed as "no consensus" or "keep" since I see no policy-based reasons to disregard the ample coverage in reliable sources and delete that article. It's too bad that you can't participate in the AfD as you are a good debater. Oh well. I hope that you can avoid those that cause you discomfort. Best, Cunard (talk) 01:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 17, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Michael T. Flynn, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I commented on two DYK noms of yours (T:TDYK#Pretzinger and the one immediately following). Ucucha 08:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey PFHLai, if you're interested I'd be happy to have help doing some DYK noms. For example James Keys Wilson and George F. Hammond. If you like doing noms I have more. :) Cheers. Have fun regardless. No worries if you'renot interested. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure, ChildofMidnight. I'll look into them. Is there any more info about Wilson? Right now, his bio has much more info about the Plum Street / Isaac M. Wise Temple than about him. So it doesn't look right. For Hammond, how about a double hook with the early 20th-century Cleveland landmark Hollenden Hotel? I'll let you know if I can come up with other ideas. Happy typing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 10:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for expanding the bios, ChildofMidnight. Nicely done. JKW is now nom'ed. For GFH, I was thinking of sth like "...that the Hollenden Hotel, designed by architect George F. Hammond, had the longest bar in Cleveland, and provided accommodations for the five POTUSes following Cleveland when they visited Cleveland?" So when will the hotel article be ready for DYK? :-) Type faster! :-P -- Your Taskmaster (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, boy! Am I working up an article??? I thought you were, ChildofMidnight! Sorry, (besides being a taskmaster) I only make hooks in WP.

To me, becoming an architect is impressive. (But that's hardly hook material.) I know zilch about architecture. I go for things that readers can relate to when I make up hooks. I don't know Kent State. Now that I know it is a big university (I am so ignorant... good that we have a long article about it), I'll read up and work on a hook about it. --PFHLai (talk) 13:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't have a hook for GFH & Kent State yet, but I'm glad that you approve of my POTUS⁵ hook. Instead, I have a hook for another article of yours: "...that John Eisenmann, designed the Cleveland Arcade, the first indoor shopping mall in the United States, and wrote the nation's first modern comprehensive building code?" Is the article done? There seems to be little biographical info on Eisenmann in his wikiarticle. --PFHLai (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

GFH is now nom'ed. Gotta do it today before the article is more than 5 days old and loses its DYK eligibility.

The J. Milton Dyer article's DYK eligibility expires tomorrow. You may want to add to the article the fun stuffs you mentioned above soon, if you want to nominate it for DYK.

The John Eisenmann article's DYK eligibility expires in two days. So you have a little more time. (Need to merge with John Eisemann?)

• ...that John Eisenmann designed the Cleveland Arcade, the first indoor shopping mall in the United States, wrote the nation's first modern comprehensive building code, and designed the Ohio state flag?"

Yeah, many interesting people in history are missing in Wikipedia. We have to thank writers like you for contributing their wikibiographies to the encyclopedia. Happy typing. ... Sorry about the Dallas Mavericks. They're trailing by 10+ right now..... --PFHLai (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;

• gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and

• ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick reminder that the Second Great Wikipedia Dramaout has begun. Please log any work you do at Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/2nd/Log. Good luck! --Jayron32 02:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi CoM! I came across this site [1] today. It has some interesting sandwiches that I've somehow missed in my travels. Shinerunner (talk) 00:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks shine. I like that list and the picture. I have enjoyed the torta and the banh mi out here. They are very good indeed. Last night it was pulled pork with a mayo-free slaw. Mmmmmm. And Frito nachos with beans, cheese, and more pulled pork. Aaaaaaahhhh. I ate too many pickled jalapenos though. Be glad you're not in the same room with me! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, I'm glad too. Pulled pork...hmmm...A sad thing happened today: a colleague walked into my office and mistook my Frank's Red Hot for Tabasco sauce. What is this world coming to? Drmies (talk) 21:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

There was nothing in Mutual Home & Savings Association Building that wasn't already in Liberty Tower (Dayton), so I simply redirected Mutual to Liberty and added an improved infobox. Nyttend (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No, the hotel is gone; the building in the center of the picture now occupies 722 Main Street. See its Ohio Historical Society profile page for a photo. Having walked along Main Street from the Y Bridge (where the numbering begins) to St. Nicholas' Church (in the 900 block), I can assure you that the building in the OHS picture is no longer in existence. Nyttend (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

This is common in downtown Zanesville, unfortunately — of the 25 NRHP listings downtown, 4 are destroyed; all 3 of the others have been converted into parking lots. By the way, you may have more pictures available than you expected: I just realised that I'd forgotten to add several pictures to the list that I took on the same day. Nyttend (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could upload the OHS picture under fair use? It's surely no more replaceable than a photo of a dead person. Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 20, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pretzinger, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

NW (Talk) 00:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 20, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George J. Wimberly, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

NW (Talk) 00:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you think of that article? I got started on it and User:Royalbroil got interested in it when I made a red link to row crop and found a whole bunch of sources for me. I was surprised at how much info there was; when I did a quick little Google search for sources I found none really but the definitions.

I had completely forgotten about Google Book results and will now do some searching for some other potential articles I could find no sources for! Daniel Christensen (talk) 14:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a very good article: well illustrated and informative. It's not a subject I know a lot about so I was interested to read it. Godo job. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

http://rotteninlarimer.blogspot.com/2008/07/sheriff-announces-new-weight-loss.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberonfitch (talk • contribs) 01:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

signing interrupted by out-of-doors-escapades-i.e.-hound-on-the-loose Oberonfitch (talk) 01:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that repeatedly pushing a boulder up a hill, only to have it roll back down again, is likely to bulk a person up rather than slim them down. I suppose it's a lot better than drinking cherry coke on the couch, but as with doing lots of squats and low reps with lots of weight at the gym, I'm not sure it's the best approach for a trim physique. What about a more balanced cardio approach? Instead of "running for Arbcom" we could have them RUN for Arbcom. I want to point out that since I started editng Wikipedia regularly I've quickly developed great strenght and stamina so that I'm now in the best shape of my life. Sitting here typing has prepared me to meet any challange, especially marathon running, team sports, and mountain climbing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if the bulking up aspect is addressed in the myth. However, I've found that maintenance of a growing watch list has been a great weight reducer. Who has time to shop when trying to piece together the intricacies of the 2010 Disappearing BLP Invitational? I'm down to a few gluten free foods...and then, I'm thinking of trying canine if he runs away again at night. (Joking, of course. Guinea Pigs first.)  ;-) Oberonfitch (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

DBLPI? Not bad. But officially it's known as UBOM, the Unmitigated or Unreferenced (depends who you talk to) Biography Obliteration Movement. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm watching the Unwrapped episode on bacon right now. Man, thick slices of bacon, deepfried and then grilled, unbelievable. Drmies (talk) 04:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

There is some important discussion and polling of views at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people that people might want to have a look at. There is a proposal to delete all unreferenced BLPs "on sight". ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

See, I removed my response to you immediately because humour is something subjective and I didn't want to be so dismissive about a mere joke, especially after checking you page (Ich bin ein Berliner, really?! ;-) Hekerui (talk) 09:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Has hit the thirty day mark and is awaiting a closing admin or other neutral party. If you have anything you'd like to add, now is the time. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

• Note; I have made a motion on the talk page to nullify the RfC. -- Proofreader77 ^(interact) 02:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I have closed the RfC and posted a summary here. I hope this can be productive and that positive change will come because of it. Please let me know if you have any questions. I'm now watching this page for any reply. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a very poor close because you ignored a great many comments made there in good faith and you completely disregarded my own response. It appears you have an axe to grind or at least a strong opinion of your own. You also ignored the trolling, personal attacks, and buffoonery engaged in by Tarc, Phgustaff, Sceptre and MagnificentCleankeeper, the type of abusive behavior our dispute resolutions processes are meant to address. Very poor showing. Incompetent, unconstructive, biased and unhelpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't own an axe, nor do I have a strong opinion regarding you, but I'm willing to let you create a strong opinion of you for me. It would seem the RfC has done little to change the behavior brought up by many people in it. If you continue down this path, you may not be happy with the consequences. I will make no further comments regarding this as I believe the summary speaks for itself. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Time to gather the wee ones and boil them up!

Early Burns supper night before last, complete ceremony: the pipers pipin', lassies dancin', the cuttin' o' the haggis, Burns recitals, tasty haggis and roast beef, topped off with a nice flight of scotches from lowlands to highlands. Och, laddie! Geoff ^{Who, me?} 17:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Those look like brussel sprouts. Are you sure you weren't duped? I just had a beef stick from Minnesota. Pretty tasty! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I have been blocked for responding to KimDabelsteinPetersen's ongoing assaults on Global Warming skeptic articles. I stated that:

Exposing your arguments as being specious and hypocritical is entirely relevant to stopping the BLP violating assaults that you and Connolley and others in your cabal have carried out. If you're serious about the sourcing standards that you're arguing for, then please apply them equally to all articles in this topic instead of gunning for subjects that you disagree with. You behavior is entirely inappropriate and enormously damaging to Wikipedia.

The issue was the repeated removal of large sections of sourced content, reverted by several editors. The deletion included removal a statement that Lawrence Solomon is a columnist for the National Post.

I have no idea why Stephan Shulz, Dabelstein, and Will Connolley have been allowed to continue their POV pushing rampage and are free to continue their efforts to disparage those they disagree with by the smearing them in their biographies. I have no objection to the inclusion of properly sourced criticism, but their use of innuendo and specious arguments in support of gutting content and coattracking in smears is unacceptable. It is very ironic that at a time when a deletion rampage against unreferenced biographies is going on these editors and their admin allies are allowed to violate our core principles and continue to abuse wikipedia for propaganda purposes.

I would also note that I was given no warning and no opportunity to amend my comment, if in fact there is soemthing objectionable about it. If someone felt it was inappropriate I would be happy to address that. But once again we have tool abuse by incompetent and dishonest admins who see themselves as being above the rules. It's grotesque. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Well that sucks. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the support Grundle. No worries. I need to get some stuff done anyway. The claims of "personal attack" and "harassment" are bunk of course. But 2/0 has, unfortuntely (past experiences suggests he's a decent fellow) been quite active along with Jehochman in carrying out a reign of censorship against those with opinions they don't share. This abusive behavior is damaging to the encyclopedia and is anti-intellectualism of the worst kind, but not much different the Climategate nonsense we've seen. Dishonest, misleading, misinformation campaigns like these are very harmful to the pragmatic solutions to protect the environment, so it's pretty disheartening that somemthing I'm involved in, Wikipedia, is being abused to this extent. The dishonest manipulation of sources, the smearing, and the bullying cabalism are very discouraging. But the world is not a perfect place.

I smiled at a few of the discussions on your page. Your good cheer, good faith and patience are an inspiration.

Please check with User:Drmies about the Markus article. They are both indigineous to Alabama and are very likely to know one another, although I don't know how intimately. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I left your message on Drmies' talk page. Did you watch this YouTube video? Grundle2600 (talk) 21:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I like the Featured Article version even better. Did you see that one? I think the kernal of seriousness in the meme is a little too distressing for the humor to come through fully when it is used in relation to politics, but I did laugh at the objections made to your posting it. Why are the biggest stalkers and bullies on Wikipedia so ridiculously hypocritical? Anyway, I'm gathering my troops to the North for a run on some fried chicken. I shall return after the campaign is completed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

No, I didn't see that. What are you talking about? Grundle2600 (talk) 22:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

[2]. Captions need to be turned on (for any of the brown shirted bullies, thugs and censors that may be watching). ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Heh heh. Grundle2600 (talk) 22:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, old chap - my exopolitical masters prefer a less industrialized planet in preparation for their glorious arrival. You know how it is. - 2/0 (cont.) 00:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Your comments on talk:Lawrence Solomon have been simply disruptive editing and personal attacks/ harassment. You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours. It appears from your block record that you have had similar problems previously. I would suggest after this block is over that you be more careful with your editing, refrain from attacking other editors and strive to be constructive in your editing. Vsmith (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Please explain how my comment about another editor's arguments and a pattern of abusive behavior from a group of editors amounts to a personal attack and/ or harassment. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

• For the reviewing administrator's benefit: These two edits are the only two that ChildofMidnight has made to Talk:Lawrence Solomon. NW (Talk) 23:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Read those two comments and consider this recently closed RFC: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ChildofMidnight. Vsmith (talk) 00:35, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

William Connolley also has a history of making snarky comments, yet he's allowed to edit. I appreciate that you recognize that this block was fundamentally flawed, but we shouldn't block people under false pretenses or leave them blocked on whims or because of perceived sarcasm.

I certainly intend to engage in constructive editing and will, of course, be doubly careful about my comments since there are disruptive admins who abuse and misrepresent policies to go after those they disagree with, but I can't accept an outcome where I remain blocked unfairly. You or anyone else is always welcome to suggest I tone down a comment or disengage from a dispute, but it's completely improper to dole out blocks to unpopular editors or to censor some parties from contributing on trumped up allegations. Please unblock me. Thank you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

This [3] for example is a clear abuse of talk space, and something I would never get away with. Stop being hypocrites and respect our core policies. If anyone has an issue or a question about a comment I make or thinks something needs tweaking, drop me a courteous note, as I do for other editors. Don't act like completely dishonest assholes. It's unbecoming. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's an example of a personal attack: "You are dense. Nevermind, I'm sure you'll get there in the end (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)" Pointing out the hypocrisy of someone's specious arguments and nmoting their POV pushing disruption such as the removal of a statement from Lawrence Solomon's article about him being a colmnist at the National Post columnist is certainly not a personal attack or harassment. A polite request to tone it down was all that was needed instead of more uncivil abuse where there is already heaps. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) By no means am I a fan of CoM (tbh, it's usually the opposite), but this block strikes me as a tad ludicrous. I don't know the related situation with that article, but CoM's comments are not worth waving arms about. He was getting a little feisty, and it probably wasn't conducive to a "nice, civil discussion". But honestly, snatching that one comment and giving a 31 hr block for "harrassment/attacks" is unwarranted. While I understand keeping an editor's past history in perspective, I tend to disagree with the unblock decline reason above. Unfortunately, this seems to be the way with editors who have troublesome histories; every admin wants to lay hands on them, so odd blocks get doled out for borderline comments that aren't really disruptive. It's a no-win situation. JamieS93 01:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Jamie on this. Going over the articles and talk pages that CoM frequents, I see a hilarious double standard. People who are on one side of the argument are basically given free reign to behave however they want and while they are inconsistantly warned to be civil from time to time, they are rarely, if ever, held accountable. On the other hand, CoM has been blocked for a comment that is no more questionable than a dozen others on that same page (some made by admins) and I can't help but note that those people weren't blocked. Trusilver 02:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah real hilarious. Oh well. Thanks for helping get me unblocked finally. It allows me to run the gauntlet of abusive admins and pov pushers for another day. Hoorah. Seriously, it's amazing that there is such a lack of common sense or collegiality that an admin would think it appropriate to jut block without any warning or any suggestion to tone things down. And I'm disappointed in Elderleft that he would support this bullshit. But oh well. The edit I reverted was already reverted three or four times and includes the removal of such controversial claims as "Lawrence Solomon was a columnist for the National Post". Meanwhile GoRight is indefinitely blocked. What a joke. You guys should go check on that. Jehochman offered to unblock at one point, but then wanted to play some game about GoRight would have to say Jehochman wasn't involved in order to get unblocked. It's a fucking circus on here. And would someone please explain to your fellow admins that being blocked does not help people be more civil. It's infuriating and uncivil and should always be a last resort. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Point made. The original blocking reason was weak enough. Request handled by: -- tariqabjotu Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Lawrence Solomon, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Wikipedia:General sanctions/Climate change probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is any problem with your edits. Thank you. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

The above block does not invoke the probation, but please be aware when it expires to be especially careful in that topic area. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

link Grundle2600 (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I have struggled mightily with my multi-front strategy to editing Wikipedia. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

When you get a chance could you add the Herb Moses information and cites back into the Barney Frank Article. It's pertinent and needs to be in the article, which I've stated in the discussion section. We should probably keep closer tabs on the article.

Thanks.

Lordvolton (talk) 07:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Going round and round with disruptive POV pushers is not really my idea of a good time. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi. There has been no further comment on this since your offer nearly two weeks ago to rework it into an article about the company: are you still willing to do that? If so, I will close the AfD (unless someone else does so first) as "rename and rework to be about the company." In that case, I suggest I do the rename, and leave you to do the rework. OK? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Still not a lot of sources for the label, but it's probably worth including as a historical footnote. We'll see. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your recent objections, I commend to you the "Parable of the little bird". Sometimes life is just like that. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 01:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

It's an interesting parable. It's not clear to me how it applies to my comments or the circumstances being discussed though. Are unreferenced articles birds that aren't ready to fly south? Jimbo is a cow? How does that comport with my comment in which the ones getting dumped on are good faith contributors?

The claim that articles that have been here for years and only need references are at the core or even related to the BLP problem is the ultimate fantasy. I'm not sure where this delusion was born or why it's held so tightly, but forestalling the loss of so many good stubs is certainly worth advocating for over the appeasement of the misguided and confused. Is there a parable that captures that reality?

I've been thinking about the emperor wearing no clothes story lately, but not in relation to Wikipedia. But I have no objection to more clothes here, at least enough cover all the asses and boobs. Cheers. Thanks for the note. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back. I spared you a thought this morning while I was preparing Biscuits and gravy. Drmies (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I had a pretty good guacamole burger and fries at Carl's Jr. last evening. I topped it off with a "Supreme" Red Barron's pizza. Enjoy your weekend. Thanks for helping with the article on your old friend and associate. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I taught him everything he knows, but I kept my signature move to myself. Your dessert sounds like more than I can handle, but a guacamole burger....hmmm... Drmies (talk) 18:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Since when is getting slapped considered a "signature move"? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm you'll have to explain that one. And for male prostitutes, I think slapping is mandatory--I didn't have to teach him that. Drmies (talk) 19:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to imply that your "signature move" didn't result in a welcoming response. But Conan and I don't seem to be hitting the punchlines these days. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi CoM

I just created this stub. Thought it might be up your alley. Wanna help expand?

^Bongo_matic 01:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

p.s. Glad that bogus block was quickly lifted.

I took a look at the NYT article. Some nice photos. I'm okay with the Wikipedia article being a stub though. :) Cheers Bongo. How are things going? The drum beat here seems to be in rhythm with your views on article "clean up" lately? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't really understand all the fuss about it, to be honest, although I think a less disruptive way would be to have some process parallel to a {{prod}} but one where the impending deletion can only be averted by sourcing. Deleting the articles first means only admins can realistically do a decent job at attempting to find sources, which reduces the pool of editors by too much. ^Bongo_matic 23:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I think the consensus is headed in that direction. Giving some time to address the unreferenced articles would be nice. I was actually looking for the complete list so I could knock off a few, but I couldn't remember where I saw it. Maybe someone watching know? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, ChildofMidnight. Would you like to handle the comments and suggestions at T:TDYK#George F. Hammond, please? --PFHLai (talk) 09:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I meant those comments by Collectonian (talk · contribs), not my comments. If you don't feel like writing up the article for "Hollenden Hotel", don't worry about it. --PFHLai (talk) 09:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I hope you're enjoying your weekend. I know Drmies is excited to watch Jerraud Powers in the playoffs. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

You know this already. I'm just putting it here so everyone else knows that you know. From User:William_M._Connolley/For_me/The_naming_of_cats: If you think you are on personal terms with me, you can use my first name, William. If you think you're on very personal terms, you might be tempted to use a contraction of my first name; this simply proves you are wrong. Just for you, I've strengthened it [4] William M. Connolley (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're on about, but if I mispell something you are welcome to refactor. I do not object to collegial copy-editing, although given your history of antagonism and uncivil attacks towards me you should be careful to show you are acting in good faith and with respectful comments and edit summaries. Also, please undo your improper refactoring of my notice to you on your talk page regarding your abusive incivility that is being discussed on the appropriate noticeboard. I am required to notify you of that discussion so your allegations of harassment are uncivil. You also need to remove the attack page you are keeping in your userspace. You are not allowed to harass and attempt to intimidate other editors or you will be blocked or banned. Your COI on climategate issues with you past involvement as a part of RealClimate and your personal feud with Lawrence Solomon also need to be addressed. You should not be editing articles related to those subjects. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're on about...: OK, for the *very* hard of understanding: don't call me Will. Is that simple enough for you to understand? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no requirement that I refer to you as "Dr. William R Connolly" or whatever it is you're trying to foist on the rest of the community. Per your previous incivility I avoid interacting with you wherever possible, but I'm sure you are aware that I am required to notify you when your abusive behavior and incivility is being discussed on a noticeboard. Misrepresenting my notification as "harassment" and improperly refactoring my comments to falsely indicate that I made a personal attack when I didn't [5], are examples of your highly abusive behavior that simply cannot continue. If you cease engaging in this kind of misuse of your editing privileges and cease violating COI rules, further discussion of these problems won't be required. Obviously, you shouldn't be referring to other editors as incompetent, even if you have allies working on your behalf and defending your abusive actions. As you've indicated that you don't welcome my communications with you on yoru talk page (something I have respected) I would request you show similar courtesy and reciprocity towards me. Thank you very much. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

At this point ChildofMidnight, I have asked you to give me diffs of exactly what you find objectionable, and you have not. You've been given a fairly reasonable request about how to refer to another editor (you do not have to call him 'Dr.' if you wish not to, there are several options), and you have ignored it. You continue to make claims of inappropriate behavior that have either been refuted (COI), or that you have not backed up. If you have a genuine issue with William M. Connolley's behavior, the invitation still stands to give me diffs on my talk page. If not, you need to stop making claims about him. Prodego ^talk 21:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The place to discuss his improper behavior is on the appropriate noticeboard. I have been responive, but I can't do more than one thing at a time.

The claim that his COI problem has been refuted is obviously false. Please provide diffs where his involvement in advocating on climate change issues with the RealClimate group has been disproved or where his personal feud with Lawrence Solomon has been shown to not be going on. Your statement seems ridiculous on its face.

As far as diffs go, I'm willing to put in the effort to provide ADDITIONAL diffs, several have already been provided. If you can't be bothered to look in his talk page history and at the diffs already provided, it seems unlikely that you will be responsive to additional evidence I present. Several editors have noted his incivility already and have provided diffs of his calling other editors incompetent, a clear personal attack, and of his abusive refactoring of comments, even after objections were made. Frankly, it's very hard for me to believe that you were unable to find the diffs where he refactored my comments on his talk page (where they occured is obvious). If you seriously can't find them and ask nicely instead of in a way that seems bullying, I will provide you with specific diffs that you are unable to find on your own, but typically I try to avoid wasting my time on wild goose chases when people are obviously unwilling to take appropriate action. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

(sectioned by CoM to differentiate from section above)

I have already given WMC a warning note about civility, and the COI questions have been addressed. If you have a specific action you would like taken, please let me know what you would like done and why (with diffs). I have already taken an action on the civility issue, what I am more interested in is these two claims:

1. "Please undo your improper refactoring of my notice to you on this page that your abusive behavior is being discussed on the noticeboard."
2. "You also need to remove the attack page you are keeping in your userspace."

Prodego ^talk 22:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Please provide diffs where that editor's COI problems have been "addressed". That editor continues to abuse his editing privileges and to use his position here to go after the articles of biographical article subjects that he has personal disagreements with (as well as to violate our core NPOV policy by pushing a particular point of view for propaganda pursposes). I've provided diffs of his refactoring and other editors have provided diffs of recent edits where his long streak of incivility and personal attacks has continued. Even as those problem edits were being discussed his abusive refactoring and civility violating misrepresentations have continued. So the "action" you've taken is clearly inadequate. If I have made a personal attack against him please provide a diff. If you and he are unwilling to provide evidence in support of this lie, then his blatantly false statements need to be corrected. Perhaps you aren't aware Prodego, but the civility policy has been updated to include dishonest smears and misrepresentations. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I see he's also removed my response to you on his talk page [6] so maybe that's why you're confused and making false allegations that I haven't been responding? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

If you want something done, I'm offering to look at it for you. In exchange all I ask for is for you to present your case. If you will not do that, then you need to stop complaining about him, as that would be harassment. As for COI: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 39#User:William M. Connolley and Global Warming, and the civility warning: [7]. Prodego ^talk 22:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I did provide a diff with my report. You have so far failed to address whether an editor is allowed to refactor other editors' comments, even after objections are made, to interject their comments inside those of another's. You also reiterate an abhorrent and completely false allegation of harassment. My only edit to that editor's talk page was to notify them that there was a discussion about their abusive behavior. And the diff of the COI discussion you provided absolutely DOES NOT suggest in any way that those concerns have been "addressed". I hope you don't edit articles by misrepresenting sources in this way.

In addition to the diff of his refactoring I provided already provided, here is another diff that shows [8] an improper refactoring of my comment to include a misrepresentation that I made a personal attack. This behavior is not acceptable and violates WP:Civility. He did the same thing on the noticeboard.

The place to discuss these civility violations, the COI issues, and the abusive refactoring, is on the appropriate noticeboard where the community is looking into them. Instead, and despite my requests and respectful responses, you have continued to come after me in a way that is abusive and harassing, including repeatedly making false allegations and insinuations. I am well aware of what wikistalking and wikiharassment are about, because I have had to get Wikirestraining orders taken out on several editors who couldn't leave me alone.

It's often the case that when an editor's improper behavior is pointed out they attempt to retaliate. I'm not sure why you're aiding someone engaged in such obviously inappropriate conduct. I don't understand why you're coming after me instead of addressing their refactoring, referring to other editors as incompetents, and as needing spoon feeding, but I ask that you follow appropriate process in discussing the issues I've raised and other editors have supported with additional diffs in the approrpiate forum, instead of coming after me on my talk page in a harassing, bullying, and threatening manner. If you want additional diffs I will provide them, and other editors can do the same, but please make your requests where the discussion is taking place and explain why the diffs already provided are inadequate. Thank you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Given that he interprets as a personal attack you could rephrase your comment to use something like WMC, and remove the "PA" reference you object to. Would this resolve that problem? Prodego ^talk 22:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Whether someone named William interprets people calling them Will as engaging in a personal attack is completely frivolous. Most everyone knows that Will is short for William. this is common knowlege. This is a nonsensical distraction from his abusive behavior on a par with the Chewbacca defense. So let's stop monkeying around. That editor's repeated abuse of his editing prileges, his personal attacks, his improper refactoring of other editors' comments, his COI issues, and his BLP violating assaults on article subjects he doesn't care for is my concern. Please address those and the diffs already provided in the appropriate forum. If you are more concerned about how I shorten his monker, then I'm happy to satisfy your qualms by referring to him by his last name Connolly, by his initiails W.C. or as Will. All of those are very reasonable choices and completely within policy. No one is required to refer to me per my personal preferences, and I refuse to call him "Dr. William M. Connolly Jr." or by any other titles that may or may not have attained legitimately. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

If you have examples of abusive behavior that I have not already warned him for, and have not been dealt with on COIN, then please provide them. Otherwise you are just being disruptive, and deliberately calling WMC names you know he dislikes is part of that. Prodego ^talk 23:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

If I'm not allowed to shorten his name to Will and he gets to decide how I refer to him then I want him to be required to refer to me as ChildofMidnightI. Or His Honor ChildofMidnight. He's being purposely disruptive with this bullshit pretending he doesn't know that Will is short for William. What does the M stand for anyway? You're playing games Prodego and you still haven't addressed his refactoring of another editor's comments that has been diffed in the complaint, you haven't explained why he's allowed to refactor my comments to insert misrepresenatations, or why he's allowed to accuse me of harassment for notifying him that his abusive behavior is being discussed even as he continue to troll my talk page. Am I allowed to refactor his comments anytime he doesn't refer to me as ChildofMidnightI or His Honor ChildofMidnight to make it look like he mae a personal attack? What a pile a rubbish. Get your act together and shape up. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Anyone following the above discussion will note that Prodego repeatedly asked for more diffs (several were already provided). Since what I was citing was obvious on the pages under discussion, I had a feeling he was playing games, I've been through this kind of abuse before, but he persisted. So after his repeated requests I provided diffs, only to have him immediately close and collapse the discussion.

I don't know why he think it's important to obscure William Connolley's abusive behaviors as detailed below, but his actions are outrageous and sickening.

At a time when BLPs are such a hot subject, we continue to allow a pack of POV pushers to disparage biographies of article subjects they disagree with and to advocate and propagandize our climate articles.

Here are some of the recent diffs illustrating the abuse form just one member of the Global Warming cabal Anyone familiar with Connolley's disruptive behavior will know about his game playign with his "naming of cats" nonsense, so it's particularly amusing to see him referring to notable subjects he disagree with as "Lord M" or by parts of their name.:

Diffs [9], [10] and [11]. I know he has friends and allies, but this report should not be disrupted with mirespresentations about what is a clear pattern of abusive behavior, incivility, refactoring, remocing of comments, and making false allegations. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

This problem has been goin on for a long time. I think the diffs showing abusive refactoring, referring to other editors as incompetents needing spoon feeding, misreperesnting the comments of others, the making of false allegations are enough to warrant action, but here are some more examples per repeated requests for more evidence of William's abusive behavior.

• Here's one of his abusive talk pages titled "whinging" [12] Please note that if this is allowed I'm going to start a page on WMC with a diff noting that this kind of attack page was endorsed per this discussion. I don't want to be maligned in his talk space space and view this type of abuse as a clear example of his harassment and disruptive attempts to intimidate other editors.
• You are dense. Nevermind, I'm sure you'll get there in the end William M. Connolley (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
• "He is clearly to busy to review the actual terms of the article probation; he is clearly to proud to undo his errors; please DO NOT invite him back in again, we do not need his elephant-like blundering in this situation William M. Connolley (talk) 10:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)" (Sorry about the grammatical errors, but I don't want to refactor someone else's quote.
• [13] Irrelevant digression to call someone a noob. Per William's declaration that calling someone named William, Will is a personal attack, this must be taken as the worst sort of slander!
• Another attack page titled "curse of the gnome" [14]
• And here's one of the many instances where he dishonestly refactors my comments to make it look like I made personal attack [15]. If he's allowed to do that then I expect I will be allowed to do the same to him when he doesn't use another editors full name.
• Here's an example where he uses his blog to engage in a personal feud with Lawrence Solomon [16]. Clearly this COI involvement in a dispute of this type should prevent him from editing related article subjects since his involvement is not neutral. The same issues are involved with his editing of climategate subjects because he was a named party in the RealClimate advocacy website where he had a biography page included (it might still be there, I haven't looked). Wikipedia should not be used as an extension of his personal and professional interests in advocating a certain point of view. I certainly hope this is obvious to the vast majority of editors here. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
• And another example where he discusses a climate scientist he disagrees with under the cateogry "general stupidity" [17] You'll note that he does not use the individual's full name, let alone his title, once again demonstrating a level of hypocrisy that is fairly awesome. His edits to that individual's article include edit warring to include a photo that he says on his blog "makes Lord M look like a bit of a wacko". ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I have to smile to see that you are still rattling the cages of the well established. Thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people, which will delete the vast majority of 50,000 articles created by 17,400 editors, mostly new editors. Ikip 01:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and many of these articles have been here for years so they have been reviewed and edited by numerous editors other than the original creators. Some of the best written on Wikipedia aren't properly referenced, but that's fixable.

I understand the concerns over BLPs, but whether an article is referenced or not has nothing to do with whether it is being used to disparage or misrepresent someone, to undermine a business, or to advocate or propagandize a particular viewpoint. I support effective and pragmatic solutions, but throwing babies out with the bathwater isn't a good idea.

Ikip do you have a list of the unreferenced articles, I've chipped in on some and would be happy to chip in on others by adding references.

Anyone concerned about BLP violations should carefully consider the COI issues and POV pushing discussed above. Trying to get at the real problem of abusive editing and damaging content is a lot trickier than deleting stubby articles without looking at them or reviewing their contents. I suppose there will always be people who want to take the easy way out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Some may be found [[here. ^Bongo_matic 02:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it :S but thanks for posting :) Hekerui (talk) 00:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Here was my joke attempt:

How many Wikipedia editors does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Answer: 7 templates

I'm not giving up and I'm going to keep trying to make a joke that's funny! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

He would prefer you not call him 'Will' or 'Connolly'. I assume you were unaware of that, in which case he's removals do seem somewhat arbitrary and his accusations insulting. But now that you are aware, that hopefully makes sense, and you can simply refer to him as "WMC", etc. Prodego ^talk 21:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

As Willy isn't required to show respect for his fellow editors I will not be obeying his commands and whims. I think the evidence that I and other editors have worked up is more than adequate to demonstrate a clear COI, abusive POV editing, a long pattern of incivility, a BLP violating approach to smearing article subjects, wikilawyering over content, and abuse of editing privileges to keep attack pages in user space in an effort to harass and intimidate good faith contributors. That needs to be addressed. I could care less about what someone who spends his time here disparaging good faith contributors and carrying out BLP violating assaults thinks about how his screenname is shortened. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

You step back and take some time to write a decent report about your issues, that is that best way for you to express yourself. Off2riorob (talk) 00:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think the evidence that I and other editors have worked up is more than adequate to demonstrate a clear COI, abusive POV editing, a long pattern of incivility, a BLP violating approach to smearing article subjects, wikilawyering over content, and abuse of editing privileges to keep attack pages in user space in an effort to harass and intimidate good faith contributors. Cheers Rio. I hope 2010 is a great year for you and that you enjoy the karmic rewards of the good nature you exude. I've enjoyed editing with you and seeing you around. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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It probably labelled it because it is a small article, and thus the quote, and the last line, which is copy-and-pasted, make up a substantial amount of the article. It thus most likely meet some sort of threshold of "this % of the article is exact wording, so let's tag it". I suggest the quote be taken out, as rewording in such a small article is probably best, and reworking the last line. Though, looking at it, I don't see any real references which would assert notability. The only one used is a profile from the company he works for. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 04:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey Scaps. I'm working on it. How are things with you? Is 2010 treating you okay? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 is going well thus far; at the moment, studying for a test in にほんご is trying its best to kill me. So, of course, I am wasting time here seeing if an article of mine passed through the DYK process yet. Got my first featured article nomination up and running this year. We'll see how that goes. Writing Nathan Drake (character) from scratch was very rewarding either way though. I see that you are still stirring up trouble in any case. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 05:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Good luck with you studies of にほんご. This looks like four squares to me, but then I am not willing to free up disk space to run language programs... :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Another reasons macs are superior ;). We'll call it Japanese then. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 20:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I've requested discussion regarding some new material I've added to the article under the Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac subheadings since it's been reverted a couple of times now, without discussion. Since you're an active contributor to the article I thought you might want to participate in that discussion. It's unfortunate that the some editors revert and ignore the edit history asking for a public discourse before reverting.

Apparently there is a very bad habit of reverting without consensus on the Barney Frank page which is very troubling.Lordvolton (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

As I understand the accounts in reliable independent sources, it took Moses 40 years of wandering in the desert after a parting of the Red Sea to make the journey to the promised land? If good faith editors stay focused on resolving the problems of Wikipedia, I think we can effect the necessary changes in half that time. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, you deprodded this, but I just wanted to check whether you really think that a school which has 1 student per year going up for a high school examination (and has 18 students in total) really is notable. Thanks. --Crusio (talk) 17:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

It's properly sourced. I don't think it's especially more or less notable than other schools. The numbers don't seem especially significant to me one way or the other. Would deleting it make the encyclopedia better? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

On the one hand, the senior class's graduation rate is highly commendable. On the other hand, the graduating class's racial and gender diversity leaves much to be desired. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Amen. A very good point. But highly original research. I trust a warning template won't be necessary? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I would never add it to the article without a source. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank goodness! Now I can relax. Do you have an opinion on whether the size of a school should matter as far as notability? It's not my intention to be dismissive of Crusio's good faith concerns, but I don't know how we would establish a cut-off. It seems like a "leave no child behind" type of situation. Who's to say one student's educational institution is more notable than the smaller one attended by another based on the size of the student body? Or perhaps size does matter? What about a school graduating two students, or five, 7? (There's something to be said for lucky seven) I would like to point out that children of all colors are welcome at the ChildofMidnight School of Learning. Especially blues and greens. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think any school, of any size, is capable of being notable. As long as there is interesting information about it, I think any school could have its own article. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't do that again. Hipocrite (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The title does not reflect the article contents. An effort was made to split off the controversy over the e-mails, but that was reverted. The present title is misleading as it addresses only the hacking, a small part of the coverage, and ignore the much bigger issue about what was in the e-mails and the ensuing controversy. I'm okay with having separate article on the hacking and the e-mails if that's the way to go, but we can't have a distorted article that is titled and stilted to address the hacking only as if the e-mails themselves aren't the center of the controversy and what makes the subject so notable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't comment on if I agreed with the move or not. I said "don't move articles that have frequently been moved without discussion first." Do you intend to move articles that have frequently been moved without discussion, specifically in the climate change area again? Perhaps you should self revert your move. Hipocrite (talk) 18:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

If an article is improperly titled, especially if the title is misleading or inaccurate, I move the article. Feel free to join the discussion on the talk page. If you have a reasonable argument for why an article about the release of internal e-mails and the ensuing controversy should be titled as if it's only about the hacking, that would be the best place to offer your reasoning. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Do not attempt to move articles under probation to a controversial alternative title without discussion. If you attempt to do it again I will ask for you to be blocked or topic/article-banned under the current article probation. Considering your past record of blocks, it would be advisable for you to be much more cautious in your editing. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Please don't make threats. The title it has now been reverted to is disputed and very controversial. I made a good faith move to a more appropriate title. As I explained to Hipocrite, if you have a rationale for why the article title should ignore the largest aspect of the subject's notability and present only one aspect and point of view then the article talk page is the best place to present those views. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss your changes on the talk page first. You are throwing yourself headlong into a likely article probation action if you continue at this rate. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm done. I made a few changes that were great improvements without intorducing anything contentious. The only objection made was that there wasn't a consensus for the retitle and reorganization. This kind of intransigence is highly disruptive. The discussion should be about whether the changes are proper and reflect way the subject is covered in reliable independent sources (they did). There is a clear consensus amidst the talk page dispute that the article title and its contents don't adequately reflect the subject matter based on the way its been covered outside of Wikipedia, so I hope you'll work with me to fix it instead of engaging in reactionary reverting and demanding we maintain a status quo that is misleading, improper, and innacurate. None of my changes were substantive or particularly controversial, they simply reorganized and titled the subject matter more appropriately to conform with the consensus in talk page discussions rather than promote one side of the argument (either the hacking title and intro, or an solely about climategate and the controversy). There needs to be balance, and any objections or suggestions need to focus on the contents and the sources instead of on personal preferences based on whims and the political opinions of individual editors. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

link Grundle2600 (talk) 19:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! I'm going to step out so I'll have a look later. I hope your week is off to a good start! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Thanks. I hope you have a good week too! Grundle2600 (talk) 20:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

It's taking me a while to get going... ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

You may want to weigh in since you've experienced the same lack of team spirit by some of the editors on the article. Why is it that they will not simply enter into a constructive dialogue to improve the article? For reasons that escape me they choose unilateral reverts despite my repeated attempts to open up a discussion.

It's very disappointing.

Violation discussed at: [18]

Lordvolton (talk) 23:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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Ucucha 06:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm up in Cleveland at the moment; if my driver says that it will work, I'll try to get a picture of the old Walker and Weeks office on Carnegie Avenue as I'm leaving. Nyttend (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I ate at Subway. The historic buildings on Euclid Avenue are in areas other than where I was; most of the NRHP buildings that I saw were ones on upper Prospect Avenue that I've previously photographed — see {{Upper Prospect MRA}}. A family member was driving me to a doctor's appointment, so no cab and no bicycle: just a little bit of convincing the family member that stopping at the Walker and Weeks building and at St. Paul's Episcopal Church on Euclid wasn't a bad idea. I'm staying with a friend tonight (since I'm on his computer, I'd be using my alternate username, User:Nyttend backup, but this IP is autoblocked because it was used by a vandalism-only account), but I should be able to upload images tomorrow when I get home. Nyttend (talk) 05:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

A Polish Boy would have been more encyclopedic, but Subway has come a long way. Which one did you have? The new Barbaquoa (sp?)? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, never heard of a Polish Boy until I saw your comment, just a few minutes before I left the response. I always get the footlong Spicy Italian; I used to get the BMT until it was removed from the list of $5 footlongs — the only difference between the two sandwiches is the lack of ham (my least favorite of the meats on the BMT), and the similarity is great enough that I'd rather pay less. And also, here are the pictures that I got — sorry for the side view of the Walker and Weeks building; traffic was heavy, so I couldn't cross the street to get a better picture. Nyttend (talk) 03:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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  Dr. James Bell House
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  Walker and Weeks; I already had a picture of this building, but it was poor enough quality that I never uploaded it
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  Neff Apartments; this replaces a poorer version that was already online
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  St. Paul's Episcopal Church; this replaces a poorer version that was already online
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  The most notable of Cleveland architectural constructions

You got some good shots. The James Bell House is a very strange design with the chimney in front like that and a fairly plain facade with those columns and arched window treatment in one area. I'm curious what it looked like originally. The polychromatic aged brick is nice. But it's very strange looking overall somehow. Where to next? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't think they were that impressive, but I've found that others often have better opinions of my pictures than I do :-) Next is something closer to home; I only have nine sites left to photograph between Auglaize, Champaign, and Shelby counties, so I'm hoping to knock those out soon. I don't expect that they'll be that useful to you; except for the Whitby Mansion (whose architect is unknown), they're all either rural or in small communities, and the only impressive building among them is the Catholic church in Egypt (near Minster) that was designed by the de Curtins brothers, and I already have photos of some of their more impressive works; see User:Nyttend/Cross-Tipped Churches for examples. Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

No, I've not see Eureka's photo; what is "this subject"? I guess since you force me to choose, I'll have to say that I like some of the pictures you'll see in the Cross-Tipped Churches group (perhaps St. Augustine and St. Anthony), plus the Harding Tomb in Marion and the Civic Center in Denver, Colorado. I'm also quite partial to the ones I've taken in Beaver County, Pennsylvania — but that's because Beaver County is dear to me, not because I find those pictures more impressive than others. I've only rarely been able to go inside these buildings — since I started taking NRHP photos en masse somewhat over a year ago, I've photographed 608 different NRHP sites, but (if you don't include historic districts, bridges, plazas, etc.) I've only been in fourteen of them, and only eight since I started taking these photographs: Rotunda of the Pennsylvania Railroad Station (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania); Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Railroad Station (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania); Monongahela Incline (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania); Merrick Art Gallery (New Brighton, Pennsylvania); Carnegie Free Library, Beaver Falls (Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania); Asbury College Administration Building (Wilmore, Kentucky); and Union Terminal Group (Cleveland, Ohio). What's more, I don't generally find much reason to upload interior photos for these eight: the only ones in which I can imagine much interest for interior pictures are the Indiana and Colorado capitol buildings, and there are already plenty of interior pictures online. If you want any interior pictures for these buildings, I'll see what I can upload. Nyttend (talk) 20:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I know that there's no article on the Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches — I'd expect that there could be, as it's a well-known term in western Ohio, but I've not been able to find sufficient information in a quick search to put together a decent article. Perhaps a substub could be created, but I'm not much of one for creating substubs; see my most recent creation for the length of article I prefer to write. See User:Nyttend/Cross-Tipped Churches for most of the information I have on this area; there's a Multiple Property Submission document available for them here. And thanks for the compliments! I've really enjoyed visiting these sites — and thus I've gotten many more that were already photographed and thus have none of my pictures online — so it's not just for Wikipedia purposes that I take these photos. By the way, there's an article about the Harding Tomb at Harding Memorial. Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

[unindent] I don't object to stubs — it's just that (except for topics such as communities — I created virtually all of Ohio's township articles as substubs; see the article history for Wayne Township in Darke County, where you'll find Holy Family parish) I prefer to have my own creations be more substantial. As for the Shrine: yes, it's the same place; its Ohio Historical Society profile notes that both are known names for it. I hope to get out that way before long (it's a bit west of where I live), but it all depends on my schedule (sooner I can drive, the better :-) and on the weather, as I'd prefer to have blue skies behind the church steeples. Nyttend (talk) 03:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I forgot to reply to some of your points. First off, thanks for writing the introduction; it will definitely be a help. I'm going to rework it somewhat, but all that's needed is reworking, not a major rewrite. The table in my userspace is formatted for my convenience (I only included details that I care about, including whether I've visited it or not); I'll copy it into mainspace after getting it into a more encyclopedic format. No need to delete, except to perform the history merge. Nyttend (talk) 03:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I can't remember who Maria Stein was; it may have been someone named "Maria Stein", or it may have been someone named "Maria" who was associated somehow with stone (de:Stein). Any idea where I could look? Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I see now that a history merge of the sort that I was contemplating would be a bad idea. Would you be willing to copy over the text of the article as of this version onto my subpage? With that done, I'll copy the text of the current version of the article to that page and then move it into mainspace. Nyttend (talk) 04:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd also like your opinion — would it be better to list all the buildings together, or do you think that the churches should be separated from the other buildings? Nyttend (talk) 04:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, sorry; I've created a separate page at User:Nyttend/Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches. Could you edit that, and not the other? I want to keep User:Nyttend/Cross-Tipped Churches in my own format. Nyttend (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Stop questioning WMC!! We already lost Kenosis where would we be with WMC there to keep the trolls at bay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.175.112.160 (talk) 01:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Which trolls are you talking about? If there is inappropraite content or editing please let me know so I can take a look and fix it. If the fix doesn't stick we can take it to the appropraite noticeboard. What we can't have are packs of POV pushers engaging in all kinds of abusive behaviors including attacks on other editors and article subjects. That would be enormously damaging to Wikipedia's content, reputation and mission. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Do not vandalize my talk page again. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

No one can sanely disagree with WMC. They must be trolls. And what vandalism? You are not allowed to attack WMC! It's harrassment!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.172.183.204 (talk) 01:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The entire community here disagrees with Connolley's abusive incivility and other abusive behaviors, that's why he lost his adminship. He has many allies, but the community needs to take a stand against COI editing and cabals of POV pushers so the core policy of NPOV is upheld. Again, if there is content or editing that is innacurate or misleading, please let me know so I can help clean it up or bring it to the attention of those who can. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

BWAAAAAAAA!!!! And yet you got your comments collapsed and WMC got to edit them again and again! Face it, he's the man, he's the one we want here, not you. Don't worry though, they were always be plenty of his friends available to stop people like you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.172.183.204 (talk) 01:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I find this harassment highly amusing for some reason... anon, you made my day. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 04:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

If only this were all that editors trying to deal with the muck here had to deal with the trials would be comparitively hassle free. At least this character seems to have a sense of humor. There's a lot to be said for that. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, You really need to stop stuff like that, CoM. In fact, I'm going to start insisting that any time you refer to my name, you must follow it with "Major USAF(Ret.)" Remember, decorum is FAR more important than silly shit like... you know... building an encyclopedia. Trusilver 23:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The names I use to refer to you are unsuitable for publication Tru. They might cause a revolutionary reconsideration of the "Wikipedia is not censored" newspeak. And what's this about Decorum? Are you wearing your rose colored glasses again (are they aviators?). By the way, I'm pretty sure the military is the only organization that has more acronyms than Wikipedia. And when it comes to titles, let's all keep in mind the List of animals with fraudulent diplomas. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

		The 100+ Article Creation Barnstar
		Awarded to ChildofMidnight for the creation of 100 or more existing articles on Wikipedia. (January 26, 2010)

--219.89.9.111 (talk) 00:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, well done, Congratulation to you ChildofMidnight. Off2riorob (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks O2RR. And thank you Mr. Anon. I'm honored. I'm still working on my acceptance speech... ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe you have views on improving the GW article (and that entire suite of articles). I have a concern that there is one way to keep these articles the same and many ways to make improvements. This results in a) division of effort and b) large numbers of editors abandoning the effort.

Some active editors are prepared to show their support or opposition to movement in specific directions, at a chart on my TalkPage here. If you would like to encourage this effort then please consider adding your name to the parts you think most important. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 09:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Can the chart be moved to the appropriate project page so it can be more broadly considered and discussed? As long it's in userspace I think its impact will be limited. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I have copied the chart to a sub-page of my own, here but I'm not sure that's ideal either. What are you suggesting? By all means copy it across and I'll clean up my end and maintain the new bit. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 18:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking a better location might be the Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology or Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment talk pages. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey CoM! :) I finally got to see The Art of Negative Thinking (which I loved, btw) so I have created an article for it. Do you think you could take a look and maybe do some copyediting (English isn't my best side)? :-) Tack! Theleftorium 19:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 27, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George F. Hammond, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I was completely wrong about you, and those who were against your efforts, please accept this barnstar as a token of peace:

		The Resilient Barnstar
		The Resilient Barnstar may be given to any editor who...has the ability to recover/finish with a smile. This barnstar is awarded to ChildofMidnight, for his efforts making the project a better place. Ikip 00:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha. Yes, well my "subtle" brand of humor is often misconstrued. And my attempts at unsubtle humor have been almost as unsuccessful. But practice makes perfect, or so I'm told.

I think your kindness campaign looks like a good approach. I've been surprised by how many Wikipedians are sensitive to the slightest criticism and become responsive the moment their work is praised. As a NYer I grew up in an environment where those who had nice things to say were treated with suspicion. :) But there is something to be said for positive reinforcement, honey, and the use of more carrot (and less stick). Unfortunately, swinging this club around is the only thing that's keeping my upper body in shape as I'm spending too much time on here typing stuff. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 27, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Norwegian Seamen's Church, San Pedro, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project 12:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, CoM, would you take a look at Heart-kun and see if you can do any copyediting/expansion (with those handy Japanese references you found at the AfD :) )? Also, do you know how {{Nihongo}} works? I have the English part of the code but have absolutely no clue about how to find the Kanji or the Rōmaji part. Cunard (talk) 10:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I have asked User talk:Dekkappai to answer your questions. I only speak the international language. That article needs the photo restored with appropriate licensing. I'll take a look at it and see if there's anything else I can offer, but I didn't have much to add last I checked. Take care Cunard. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the tweaks. The photo appears to be a copyvio per Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 January 17#File:Heartkun4.jpg, so I don't think it can be restored. That's a shame because Heart-kun, with his big round eyes, looks so cute in that picture. But hoping against hope, I wish that the picture won't be deleted, because I trust that the evil administrators aren't heartless enough to kill such a cute picture. Cunard (talk) 05:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought there was an exemption for notable animal markings? What about fair use? How can we replace the puppy??? NOOOOOOOO!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

On January 27, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Keys Wilson, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I am trying not to think about the reception of my bio-quality index proposal. 6-1 against, and the 1 was me. Discouraging... One way to make stock picks is shown at the right. Better, probably, to buy a lottery ticket well before the draw date. Then you get a license to daydream... Agreed that the popular articles are not really needed - covered elsewhere. We need more like:

• Augusto Testa (born 1950) is an Italian astronomer. He is a prolific discoverer of asteroids.
• Mohammad Fawad (born February 12, 1987 in Pakistan) is a United Arab Emirates cricketer.
• Iana Varnacova is a beauty pageant contestant who represented Moldova in Miss World 2008 in South Africa. She has worked as a dance trainer.

6,800,000,000 people in the world, and so few of them have articles. Maybe there is some way to scrape the web and generate bios, with references of course. Hmmm... Aymatth2 (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

There's still not an article about me, for example. It's pretty outrageous. Keep on the Italian astronomer, there's some history of that kind of thing over there, and delete the other two. Cricket can be covered elsewhere on the web and is dubious as a sport I don't care for; and beauty pageant winners/ dance trainers are a dime a dozen these days, especially since people keep adding new countries. If she can make it onto the Moldovan Olympic team that would be a whole different story. The world's top 150 female clean-and-jerk competitors in 2012 are well worth including per WP:Crystal. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I have to disagree with your assumption that people actually have to do something unusual to be worthy of inclusion - systemic bias at its worst. What about all the bookkeepers and check-out clerks in the world. Don't they have a right to their own article? And why just living people? Why not other living things? They may be just as deserving, in my view. Not individual pet rocks though. I draw the line there. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The issue you raise, "Why just living people?", is important. The undead must be given their due. I do not agree with you about pet rocks. At the very least there should be some sort of list article. See granite and List of world's tallest buildings for example. As far as animals are concerned, if we're going to include the ones faking credentials (List of animals with fraudulent diplomas), I think there's something to be said for working up stubs on the rest of man's best friends. Cats are whole different story. Leave those to Wackopedia, the attack sites, and drahmaz boreds. Birds of a feather...

EWUB stands for Efforts to Whack Unreferenced Biographies, by the way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Now I am wondering how many of the WUBs - Wikipedia Unreferenced Bios, not WUGs - are in fact fictional. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to use W to stand for Wikipedia then EWUB will have to stand for Elimination of Wikipedia's Unreferenced Biographies. What's this about wireless? You're breaking up. Are you in an area with bad reception? In a fictional world, we don't have to have references at all. That's a fact. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Beyond Lies the Wub seems relevant to this whole discussion, somehow, but I can't figure out how. Over and out. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Trying to save a Testa I started working on User:ChildofMidnight/Discoverers of asteroids, but there are a lot of them. And I have no idea whether they're any good at carrying on discussion about mythological creatures. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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I think that we just need to create articles for everyone on the planet. I know you are laughing, and that's understandable... I mean, the US Census can't even get things right without screwing the whole system up, so how are we going to catalog every person on the planet. The logistics will be hell, especially in those Asian countries where every third person is named "Nguyen". We aren't the government though, so that's one point automatically in our favor. It's not going to be easy, but I know that there's a baby being born right this moment at some log cabin in the Ozarks that needs to have a BLP right this moment, if for no other reason than just to efficiently convey baby pictures. But really, if this individual has an article, than shouldn't everyone? Trusilver 20:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The inherent notability of all Youtube celebrities has already been very well established. If you want an article you'll have to start uploading humorous videos of yourself. Do you have any amusing talents? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

This discussion is getting at an interesting existential question. Who are we to value one person's story more than another's. And clearly based on the butterfly effect there's no telling who may be the key to starting the next world war or which individual's action may tip the balance towards a grand new religion being established. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

WUB! Aymatth2 (talk) 21:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Waterboarding Unreferenced Biographies? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

You are great at the first, but please ease up a bit and think about the second. Pretty please?

Following Wikipedia:General sanctions/Climate change probation/Requests for enforcement#William M. Connolley refactoring and interjecting his comments in those of others and engaging in antagonistic attacks on fellow editors:

ChildofMidnight is warned to be more civil in interacting with other editors, and is reminded that Wikipedia is not a battleground.

- 2/0 (cont.) 21:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

This notice was given to me because I had the gall to report William Connolley's long pattern of abusive personal attacks, incivility, COI editing, removal and refactoring of comments, and wikilawyering POV pushing to the appropriate noticeboard. It is a way of trying chase me off and to censor me from bringing these issues to the community's attention. User:2over0 has been aggressive in going after editors he disagrees with and doesn't appreciate my calling on him to refrain from engaging in biased enforcement actions. I expect our admins to hold themselves and all of our editors to high standards, including accordance with our BLP and NPOV policies. So far those hopes have been largely unmet.

User:2over0 tried to silence those requesting appropriate enforcement by closing the relevant threads. He has also worked to intimidate editors away from good faith efforts to bring Connolley's behavior into compliance with our policies. Only because of the sheer number of diffs and large number of editors pointing out the problem was he finally compelled to take action, but he still managed to improperly target those who reported the problems. Several editors have noted the problematic nature of his actions on his talk page. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

May I suggest Child Under Midnight? :) TheGoodLocust (talk) 04:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it. And the abbreviated version seems less than desirable. But this name did lose some of its luster when I found out it is most often associated with some sappy love song about a chicky. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Here I was thinking that you simply liked Rushdie. How're things your side of the world? I'm sick of the rains here. –SpacemanSpiff 04:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The abbreviated version is what makes it desirable. I'd be amused at the people calling you by it either intentionally or not. TheGoodLocust (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Saleem Sinai, is that you? TGL, I would prefer something more along the lines of Franklin Upton, in that case. I think there's an editor whose initials can also refer to a loo. Maybe we should initiate a poll for best username? I saw a petition (I guess we're not allowed to suggest voting is in any way involved... ) to Wikipedia:Petition against kitten abuse earlier today... a small majority seems to be supporting, I'm not sure if it's enough for a consensus. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi CoM, do you like Led Zeppelin I spotted this at the BLPN and it moved some other noticeboard, there is now a row of 17 citations in the lede..it looks awful, it must be a high viewed article and it silly, I tried to end the edit war by trimming the excess and get reverted, I have started a RFC on the talk but they are just filling that up with more silliness,

Led Zeppelin are regarded as one of the first heavy metal bands, helping to pioneer the genre. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] [10] [11][12][13][14] [15][16][17]

have a look my trimmed version is here . Its getting ten thousand views a day. Off2riorob (talk) 04:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I think there's a way to get a bunch of refs combined so that they show up as one incline cite while the multiple references appear in the reflist. I mucked about on other issues I didn't like, but I'm sure I will be reverted. I tried to phrase the lead (lede) so that the grammar would work for English and American audiences, but I don't know if I succeeded. I also tried to streamline a bit. I don't like the "however", but I wasn't up to fixing it. It seems to me that a band can be pioneering in the heavy metal genre and draw on other influences. But I'm still recovering from the dispute over Tina Turner's legs and whether she's a rock icon, not to mention claims that Michael Jackson was a businessman. So I will leave it to others. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Haha, CoM thanks for looking, its a mess, the lede is not a place for a row of citations like that, I will go and see what happened. Proofreader is unblocked about now.. Off2riorob (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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Geez!

Looks like I need to update my Zep collection with their new albums!

Grundle2600 (talk) 18:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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Hi ChildofMidnight/Archive 15, I would like to invite you to A discussion about Biographies of Living People

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Ikip 05:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much Ikip. My guest and I will be delighted to attend. I trust that the uninvited will be kept at bay and any attempts at "gate crashing" dealt with appropriately. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

(refactored template) LOL. man you are so funny. I was pretty naive, I know. Ikip 18:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

"invitation only, hunh? LoL Yeah, that'll fix it. ;-) Proofreader77 ^(interact) 06:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Haha, I thought the wiki was a place where anyone could contribute. Off2riorob (talk) 07:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Anyone who's invited by the cabal. ^Bongo_matic 07:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Should not really be an issue. We have all of the tools we need to deal with this. Unfortunately the issue has been let slip by editors. We can deal with any unreferenced BLP under current rules. Prod tags on old BLPs are very unlikely to be removed by the article creator. Any admin deleting a BLP that is easily sourced by the first few hits of a google search should answer for their needless destruction of wikipedia. Maybe I am in the wrong place for this disscussion. Polargeo (talk) 16:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know that "invitation-only" participation will fly. LadyofShalott 16:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

It won't fly, I am modifying everything, thanks for suggestions Child. Ikip 18:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Drmies (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I tried to add some flavor. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I saw. I flavored you right back. Drmies (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The young hip audience we're targeting doesn't go for semicolons old man. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

• Cincinnati schools [19]
• University of Cincinnati buildings [20] ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
• Synagogues [21]

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Hi, CoM, how are you doing? I'm doing well, thankfully. Kicking cans and changing names ;). Every once in a while, a tough one (Everyking, NihonJoe) comes up, but otherwise, the role is boring, which is good :) -- Avi (talk) 21:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Everyking's RfA was interesting. I couldn't quite support based on some comments I saw him make, I can't remember exactly what they were, but they seemed outside the pale and left an impression of that he may have some affinity for the dramatic. (I expect other to do as I say not as I do. ;) I was almost willing to write them off as the frustrations of a downtrodden editor on the outside looking in, but I couldn't quite shake my suspicions that he may be prone to the occasional grand gesture. I didn't oppose either, I see no problem with giving him a shot, and I'm glad he's getting an opportunity to hang with the big guns. We shall see what happens. I think everyone wants to belong and be with the in crowd, and then once they get inside the club they yearn to be back with Chewie and the rebel alliance. Grass is always greener on the other side and all that. Good to hear from you. Glad things are going well. Keep on keeping on. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

What's black and white and red (read) all over! Grundle2600 (talk) 05:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

This is in response to User talk:Avraham#Black and white and red all over . -- Avi (talk) 15:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The answer was: Avi's comment I saw on ANI, or somewhere anyway. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

^Bongo_matic 17:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Bongo, I'm very happy to see you taking an interest in the finer things in life! I was going to have the deleted article moved back to my userspace so I could have a look at it. As there was an article on Clochette cheese, bell cheese?, it seemed like the parent company was worth including. If there's a notable cheese I would think the company that makes it is notable also. A merge made sense to me, but I don't like to fool too much with what other people have done. Too many touchy people around. I do have a question about Clochette cheese though, based on the name and my google queries, I suspect there is not one maker of that type of cheese. So I think that's something worth looking into for accuracy's sake. As far as artisinal cheesemakers go, I hope that we can have articles on all of the good ones. This will help balance out articles on Canadian food and pate'. :) I would make a joke about Kimchi, but that's a very serious subject. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I added some to my gallery, the sun wasn't cooperating, I am hoping to get some nice ones of some drill rigs this afternoon. Playing around with the new SLR Camera...--kelapstick (talk) 19:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Have fun K-Schtick. My only suggestion is to go as "tight" with your shots as you can bear. People try to get "everything in", but that kind of photo can look pretty boring. The details of a closely cropped image and the lines and angles are usually a lot more interesting and detailed. Good luck. (You may need a wide angle lens to capture wide open landscapes ;) And a zoom lens if you want to snap some wild goats or a distant dune. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I tried uploading a tif file of the one on the right, but it didn't play well. And my jpegs aren't as high quality, I still have much to learn...--kelapstick (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Zoom in if you can or get closer. That is my advice. A tight shot will give you cool angles, details, rich colors, shadows, all the things that make a great photo. You can always take one far away shot to "get it all in" if you want. But the close-ups are where it's at my man. Was the camera a Diwali present? A lot of people like a good lens with some zoom to it also. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I added your photo to derrick. Apparently you are the only Wikipedian to ever capture one on film! Kudos. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yeah, well we have 4 rigs all together, so we want a shot of it, so I will see, and I will get some individual rig shots too. Aparently the commons doesn't like tif files, too bad, all I can change it to is tif or jpg, so they don't maintain their quality, but they are still good. Will let you know when I have more.--kelapstick (talk) 20:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Do not ignore my advice amigo. Even if you think you're going to lose part of the "surroundings" or context, get close to what you're shooting and don't be afraid to let things cut-out of the frame. You must go tight and close up so we can see the details. Thank you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Should have been in Pumpjack, as a derrick is a tower over the hole, like in the Houston Oilers logo. Unfortunately the Oilers redirects to the history of the Titans article, so there is no fair use logo here to show you, you will have to look for yourself. Redirecting is not cool in my opinion, it should be like the Quebec Nordiques or the Winnipeg Jets articles.--kelapstick (talk) 20:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Well fine, if accuracy is that important to you, but there are loads of pumpjack photos. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

There was never such a thing as Quebec Nordiques or the Winnipeg Jets, seems to be some sort of elaborate hoax. Messier did win with the New York Rangers though in 1996 was it? Do you think he ever ate at Burger Heaven? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

link Grundle2600 (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Grundle, Grundle, Grundle. I had actually seen that noted before. :) I think John Stewart had a bit on it as well, you might be able to find the video. I thought you'd be talking about how the Obama girl has fallen out with him! Tough times, especially for those trying to live in two Americas, instead of here in this one with the rest of us. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I did see the Jon Stewart video here. I never considered "Obama girl" to be a serious political commentator, so it doesn't matter to me that she has changed her mind. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of hoaxes, what do you think of Peralta Stones? I did some serious work on them. Drmies (talk) 18:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice article. Sounds like a good movie idea for either Harrison Ford or Nicholas Cage. Grundle2600 (talk) 04:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you get me a copy of that article; Fastily erased it on me without any warning; it had been around for over a year and was even nominated for deletion way back and it was kept. Daniel Christensen (talk) 22:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Fastily seems to edit like crazy; in one day their talk page got swamped with new messages past mine so my inquiry was never answered. Daniel Christensen (talk) 22:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I've seen messages on their talk page telling them to "take it easy" and such. Daniel Christensen (talk) 22:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

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After being outed by Fox News, Obama canceled a no-bid contract for one of his donors. link Grundle2600 (talk) 04:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

this guy would delete like 3/4 of my articles I am afraid. He immediately deleted mtx jackhammer and requested the speedy deletion of mtx audio altogether; a fairly well written, been around for a while article. What is wrong with this guy? He gets tons of talk messages a day and I've seen a few telling him to calm down and such and to ease off about getting mad about things. Daniel Christensen (talk) 06:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could archive your talk page :-) Move and merge is complete; what I did really doesn't follow the GFDL (I essentially performed a merge-and-delete), but of course anything can be done with your text if you authorise it, so I've cited your last comment on my talk as permission for doing what I've done.

As far as the chart — I'm not sure that sorting by date would help. The date (taken from the NRHP database) is often the earliest date of anything on the site; St. Michael's in Fort Loramie was built in 1881, but it's listed in 1849 because the complex includes a small building built in that year that was the church until 1881. Nyttend (talk) 04:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for the improvements to Sommerheim Park, too! Nyttend (talk) 04:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for referring to the changes I made as improvements! ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Immaculate Conception is unusual; I was quite surprised when I saw it. At least it's an impressively tall and large building, unlike St. Louis parish in North Star (pictured), which is nothing like the rest; if I'd not previously know where it was located, I would have assumed that it was some other sort of building. And then you have Holy Rosary parish in St. Marys; unfortunately, it was destroyed very soon after being listed, and the current building is nothing like the original building. It's surprising how many of these buildings are gone: besides Holy Rosary, the Botkins Elementary School is now a parking lot, and the Archdiocese of Cincinnati ordered the destruction of St. Patrick church in Shelby County. When I was at the site of St. Patrick in October, I talked with a local who had been a member there; from him I got the impression that the former parishoners were quite unhappy at its destruction. Nyttend (talk) 19:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

First off — it's not entirely a German Catholic area. Catholic, yes, but German, no. There's a good reason that the church in North Star is named for a French king, that St. Remy church is in a community pronounced in somewhat of a French manner (Russia is "Rooshie", not "Rush-uh"), and that Holy Family church in Darke County is in Frenchtown. Moreover, St. Patrick church in Glynnwood is in a primarily Irish area. Go farther north and it's still a heavily German region, but parts of this region have never been German. I'm not as confident about the urban areas (Celina, St. Marys, and Wapakoneta), since they're religiously more diverse — in the rural areas, you'll be very hard pressed to find any Protestants; I can only think of two Protestant churches that I've seen in that area, one Presbyterian and one independent — and they're likely ethnically more diverse as well. By the time you get to Wapakoneta and Fryburg, you're definitely on the edge of the German and Catholic areas; by the time that you get over to where I live in Logan County, there are relatively few Catholics (just two parishes in the entire county, and they're not Precious Blood; see pictures of St. Patrick's in Bellefontaine and St. Mary of the Woods in Russells Point), almost all of the country churches are Methodist, and there's a much greater ethnic mix among the people here. Finally, about the map — that's a good idea. The only potential problem is that the map may need to be big enough to be hard to see at the resolution we'll need, but I'll see what I can do. Nyttend (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Forgot to say — I know a man of German ancestry who grew up at St. Paul's in Sharpsburg and who was married at St. John's in Maria Stein; I can ask him about the culture, foods, etc. A pity that such an interview wouldn't be permitted as original research, because he'd be a good primary source. I do remember (warning: this memory may be mangled!) one remaining bit of possibly German culture that he told me about: apparently, if the oldest child in a family is not the first to be married, in many cases s/he will have to dance in a pig trough at the younger sibling's wedding. Not sure where that idea originated, but that's definitely not something that happens in the broadly European-ethnic culture of the rest of western Ohio. Nyttend (talk) 23:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

No, an alma mater can be either one's former school or the song associated with a school. I've not offered an opinion yet on the chess club or anything else except the alma mater, since I'm in the middle of uploading a few HABS photos. Nyttend (talk) 03:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I can help, but I have two points that will need work — (1) Which photos do you want? If you want all of them, I'll do my best, but I really don't feel like trying to download all of them if you only want a few. (2) Unlike Durova, I'm not capable of photo restoration — you can see that the two images I've downloaded from Google Books (File:Merrill Lock 6.jpg and File:Colonel Crawford Burn Site Monument drawing.jpg) are definitely not impressive quality. Nyttend (talk) 02:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

[unindent] My process is very simple: take a screenshot, crop to the original image, and upload. I wasn't joking when I said that I didn't have an impressive style. Could you specify which pages have the images you want? I'm still confused as to what exactly you want. And believe me — if I could get a chance, I'd go to these places and get photos. No point in having photos such as Google Books screenshots if we can help it. Nyttend (talk) 02:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the details; I'll start now. I still prefer new pictures to old if the buildings are still around. By the way, do you mean Losantiville Country Club? Losantiville (not Losantville) was the original name of Cincinnati. Nyttend (talk) 03:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Look at the location of Cincinnati on a map: it's in the southwestern corner of Ohio. Hamilton County, in which it is located, borders both Indiana and Kentucky. By the way — returning the favor from some days ago :-) — where are you from? Los Angeles, or have you just taken a large percentage of your pictures there? Nyttend (talk) 03:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

See Commons:Category:Tietig and Lee; I've uploaded thirteen photos. Please tell me if you use any of them on articles about buildings, so that I can link to the specific buildings in the image descriptions if possible. Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the bad link; that should have linked to the Commons category. What I mean is this — if you write something on the Losantiville Country Club and add the picture there, please tell me, so that I can add a link to the Losantiville Country Club on the image description. This will involve changing the text in the description from "Losantiville Country Club in..." to "{{w|Losantiville Country Club}} in...". The same holds true for any other buildings; I'm no more interested in the Losantiville Country Club than in any other. Nyttend (talk) 05:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I really don't think so; last time I checked, Christ hasn't been on Earth for nearly twenty centuries. Nyttend (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note; I've linked to the article from the photo. By the way, the house isn't on the Register. Nyttend (talk) 03:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm in the northern suburbs of Cincinnati right now; don't know how long I'll be here, since my driver is in charge of the schedule. Do you have any specific buildings that you'd like me to try to get? If I get into the city, it will likely be the northern neighborhoods; I can't imagine that we'll have time to get near downtown. Nyttend (talk) 16:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, I wasn't able to get into Cincinnati at all, but I did get a few photos in Wyoming, Ohio. I'm only going to post one of them — all the buildings already have photos online, and the only one I'm going to post is that of an empty lot where the Charles Woodruff House once sat. Nyttend (talk) 03:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Wyoming was a natural place — I've already photographed Glendale, and I was in Springdale and Montgomery before the photography expedition began (there are few enough sites in Montgomery and none in Springdale), so it was a nice and easy place to go. As I think I said before, I collect photos for myself, even if there are already photos on here; I'd gotten to Montgomery in August, but time ran out for me to get several sites, so I thought I'd finish the job today. Time ran out after I'd gotten the houses on Springfield Pike [except the Village HD; I didn't know where the northern and southern boundaries were, so I walked past the district without realising it :-(], but I only have six listings left to photograph — but as you can see in the discussion at WT:NRHP, I believe that two of them (the Robert Reily House and Twin Oaks) are the same one, so there are actually just five for me to get. Just curious — where in the city were you going to suggest? Nyttend (talk) 03:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

[unindent] Ugg, I seem to have put the camera on the wrong setting; see the Woodruff House site picture. Maybe I'll rephotograph all of today's sites if I get a chance to go back to Wyoming to get the five remaining sites. Nyttend (talk) 04:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Problem is the resolution: compare the size of Woodruff photo to the size of the St. Louis Church photo, which is on my camera's normal resolution. As for the "where to send you" — you said that there was somewhere you were going to send me, but you thought it was maybe a bad neighborhood. Nyttend (talk) 05:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm in a small village in Logan County, midway between Cincinnati and Toledo. Nyttend (talk) 05:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to reply to your other points. Avondale isn't the best area, but I've been there, although not in years — I've only ever been there to go to the zoo, and the last time I was at the zoo was before I was in high school. However, I doubt that I'll get a chance to help you in Toledo: other than driving on the interstates, I don't think I've ever been to Toledo. Unlike Cincinnati, I don't know anyone at all in the Toledo area (of all my acquaintances, the ones who live closest to Toledo area in the northern suburbs of Detroit!) and have no other reasons to visit the area. And also, I prefer to have higher-resolution images; if nothing else, it lets me see the details of the buildings and/or the rest of the property. It's not such a big deal that I won't post a small-resolution image, but big enough that I'm a bit annoyed with myself. Nyttend (talk) 05:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Also — when you're writing NRHP stubs, you might find the NRHP infobox generator helpful; run by WP:NRHP member Elkman (we generally refer to it as "Elkman"), it will give you a basic infobox and a few categories. Nyttend (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Any more requests for images from Ohio Architect and Builder, or can I delete the book now? Nyttend (talk) 15:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

You do enough work on architects — do you know if you could write something on the Decurtins (or DeCurtins, or De Curtins) family of architects? I don't know what all they did, but they produced many of the Cross-Tipped Churches group at least. Nyttend (talk) 18:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

They really are the same person, but it will take a little bit of work; I'll see what I can do tonight. I only have a few minutes (pardon the fact that I'm going to use this time to nominate my newest article for DYK!), but I'll have more time tonight. Thanks for the help! Nyttend (talk) 22:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way, you might find this Elkman query interesting, if you've not already found it. Nyttend (talk) 23:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, CoM. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It's been a Strawberry Delight to assist you. Und was ist das [22]? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

A good faith contributor has made a subtle suggestion that this Strawberry Delight dirty joke may be relevant to this discussion. It seems we may soon be headed towards further discussion of your "signature move". Oh goodness. And here I'm working on articles on Catholic churches articles and home economics. Tsk tsk tsk. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

A dirty mind is a joy forever, CoM. And I am just writing little articles on Argentine anarchists and Anglo-Saxon scholars--you brought us into this mess. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. I noticed you participated in the Articles for Deletion discussion for Graham Jones (politician). I have started a discussion regarding a consensus position for candidates in legislative elections (by way of amending WP:POLITICIAN), in case you are interested in putting forward your views there. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Common sense and the Articles for Deletion discussion for Graham Jones (politician) concurred with what common sense suggests. It was a bad close. C'est la vie. I'll try to take a look at the relevant policy discussion, but I think the existing policies and arguments in favor of preserving it were sufficient. Major party candidate, blah blah blah, already covered in reliable independent sources and notability to grow as election nears. It will be deletion reviewed or recreated soon enough I suspect. Cheerios. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

CoM, finally your continued disrespect for the law is about to come to an end: you got caught by a bot. That one of those many acts of vandalism of yours would happen on my talk page, when I am such a strict enforcer of the proper rules, that can only be called divine and delicious irony. Read your indictment here, and weep. Drmies (talk) 05:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with objections to anything Longhorn related being included in your userspace. Your disrespect for Tebow was the last straw. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

. . . WP:OUTING, but I think I might know why you've been less active than usual the past few days. ^Bongo_matic 06:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm busy trying to get my motorized barstool back, and dealing with legal issues related to the B.B. gun incident with my parrot that wouldn't stop squawking during NASCAR. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so that's what you were doing for an extended time in Ohio. ^Bongo_matic 01:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Yum. Where can this be fit in? ^Bongo_matic 06:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• I moved some of it into pork rind. Drmies (talk) 15:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Would a visit to Ham font help you guys get better? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi CoM. I don't know if you had heard this NPR program from September [23]. I missed the original broadcast and just heard it this week. Shinerunner (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Shine. It was an interesting and thought provoking interview in a number of respect. What made you think to suggest it to me in particular? What did you think of it? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for asking—I think the analogy is flawed. The purpose of Wikipedia isn't the editors, but the content. Now even when the population reduced, there were still quite a lot of rabbit turds left around—evidence of success (by analogy). ^Bongo_matic 01:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought that it was interesting in a few areas. I can't say that I agree with every aspect of the segment (there are still a large number of new non-trival articles that can be created). Also, I thought that you might be interested in the program from your work in creating new content and from the programs statments regarding BLP's and Wikipedia bureaucracy.Shinerunner (talk) 02:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there were a lot of innacuracies and misunderstandings. I thought the whole thrust of the "peak" theory was interesting and the description of the evolution from wild and wide open creative space to a bureaucratized sphere controlled by experienced editors was worthy of consideration. I don't actually remember a lot of discussion about BLPs, other than I guess the adding of additional layers being discussed? I also thought the discussion was interesting in the context of a Time magazine reporter talking about the possible demise or maturation of Wikipedia. It seems to me that Wikipedia is growing rapidly, which certainly cannot be said about the magazine industry... As far as problems experienced by new editors and contributors, I think that's a real conern. Thanks again for the link. Interesting stuff. What they did cover (and didn't) and their misunderstandings were also, I think, telling as far as perceptions go. The latest divide in the community over BLPs seems pretty serious, but perhaps hasn't bee noticed much yet outside with WikiverseChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• Lucie Clayton's Finishing School [24], [25], [26], [27]

• Expansions needed for:
  • George J. Wimberly
  • Frederick W. Garber
  • Peter Bonnett Wight
  • Pretzinger
  • maybe Hansjörg Göritz and/ or Alexandre Chan

ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

See this. What I usually do when I can't figure it out is go to the template page, in this case Template:Infobox darts player, where they will show you how to use some of the fields, and what they actually expect in some of the more ambiguous ones.--kelapstick (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

It seems strange because I didn't see brackets in the templates where images were being used. But I guess that was the problem. I'm glad it's sorted out now. Competitive dart players should have the appropriate template. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

. . . but I'm going to consider filing ANI, RfC, ArbComm and various other reports about your OUTing.

By the way, happy Year of the Tiger, y'all. ^Bongo_matic 00:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I hope this is a great Year of the Tiger for you with a lot of bullseyes! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

As the Olympic representative from Narnia your biography shouldn't have to sit in userspace. Take it live!!! kelapstick (talk) 02:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

They're giving me all sorts of shit now. Other people have a problem with them too. They're nominating all sorts of stuff for deletion. Daniel Christensen (talk) 04:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmh. I was about to give you 'autoreviewer' status (a misnomer; it should be autoreviewed) to get you out of my way when I'm doing NPP, but then I saw that you had asked for it to be removed.

The whole point of autoreviewer is that anything you, CoM, create is considered valid by default and doesn't need to be verified by a human.

Are you okay with that? DS (talk) 01:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with CoM on this one—since there's no impact of articles never being patrolled, why shouldn't every article—even experienced editors—be flagged? On the other hand, for really new editors or editors with few edits, new articles should be flagged for special attention (beyond the current unpatrolled status). I find it useful to have my new articles reviewed as soon as possible.

And in particular, DS, you wish to give this status to CoM!?!?! Even in the last couple of days one of his "creations" was speedily deleted! ^Bongo_matic 01:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

You don't understand the point of pages going unpatrolled, I see. It's to make sure that all the crap is caught. The 'unpatrolled' tag only lasts for 30 days, then it expires. And we have no idea what garbage there may be lying around in the database because it never got checked by a human within those 30 days. DS (talk) 01:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I do understand the original point, and if you see my user page, you can see a hint to the fact that I'm a (occasional) patroller. But if anyone really wants that to work, then all semi-credible editors should be made autoreviewers. Otherwise, the volume is simply too large to have a prayer of getting a meaningful fraction patrolled. ^Bongo_matic 01:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi DFSS, if it pleases you to grant autoreviewer status upon me, so be it. I've explained my preferences in the past, but it's not a huge deal one way or the other. Basically, I like having my creations reviewed and I don't support a tiered editing system. I'd actually like to shift to an alternate account because my watchlist is too long, but I know that all sorts of aspersions on me if I disclose it and slip up or don't disclose it and am caught "socking". Too many crazies and troublemakers here. I think editing less would be a good thing, but I do enjoy the friendly and collegial collaborations and helping to build articles on interesting subjects. Cheerios. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

You do know that you can remove items from your watchlist, right? LadyofShalott 03:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

When you are done dreaming of cheese, I was just informed that Dini's Lucky Club occasionally offers chicken-friend salmon as a special.--kelapstick (talk) 22:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Have you requested change of licence on Flikr for a picture?--kelapstick (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I usually do a shotgun approach since it's very hit or miss. Which image are you trying to get? Does it have cheese in it? Bacon? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Either this or this. Probably the second one, it shows the most I think. I haven't had much luck in the past asking for a change in licenece. It would make a great picture for your DYK hook, which I think needs improvement.--kelapstick (talk) 22:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Do they freeze well or refrigerate well? I think you said your Grandmother froze them, and I saw something about preserving them that way on one of the recipe pages I found, but now i can't find it. People have room in their freezer for this stuff? I can't imagine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)They do freeze well, you can ask my grandmother. She used to store them in 6x9 Tupperware containers (note the plural, she would make about six dozen at a time), with waxed paper between them. I removed it from the lead, because I don't think their ability to freeze is relevant to the notability. Feel free to prove me wrong though.--kelapstick (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

That's so typical of you. Dick. Hey, would take a look at the DYK nom? Someone is objecting that it's lame. But I was operating on the assumption that most civilized people aren't familiar with you and your family's exotic culinary traditions. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

←As usual I am three steps ahead of you. Nice addition to the end....doesn't make me look weird at all...--kelapstick (talk) 23:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Most of the sources point to the cheese dream as a fancy word for a grilled cheese sandwich, not the open faced variety...--kelapstick (talk) 23:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Not from what I saw. No one cooks a sandwich in the oven. Quit trying to stir up trouble. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm just spouting my original research. Also did you look at those pictures, they were done in the oven...--kelapstick (talk) 23:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Right. Cheese dreams, being open faced, are often prepared in the oven. Quite unlike sandwiches. First you caused that trouble with Elvis, and now this. When will it end??? :) Also (in addition to not being true sandwiches) since these aren't cooked on a grill and aren't called grilled, they aren't grilled cheese... :)ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

It is a very confusing subject. Hope you have a great weekend...--kelapstick (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

You too brother. Keep it real. Say hi to Grandma and enjoy the kiddos. Rainy here, but hopefully the Saints will bring some sunshine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh and I think my family made those too, when I was growing up, but I don't remember them being called cheese dreams. Did you make Monte Cristo sandwich es too? Are you a fan of tuna melts? Lobster rolls? Sushi rolls? Tootsie rolls? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

We have the Monte Cristo, and in the Maritimes you can get a McLobster sandwich at McDonald's, and a a lobster sub at SubWay. Tuna melt, not so much for me, but bring on the sushi rolls.--kelapstick (talk) 00:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Leaping in to the cheese, I think I could make these and photograph them so CoM doesn't have to wait for the Flickr author to wake up and smell the CC-BY-SA. But I noticed the article doesn't seem to mention they are open face sandwiches, to distinguish them from grilled cheese. The Flickr pics do make that clear, but the article doesn't. Anyway, this is a lot easier than catching that rascally calf for Drmies' calf liver and bacon article. And I can use bacon on the top! Geoff ^{Who, me?} 02:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

First you have to 3 sets of sit-ups and go for a long walk. I will not be held responsible for the ill health effects of these foods Kelapstick is foisting upon us. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm marveling at the idea of "chicken-friend salmon". Do the chickens and salmon play games together or go to the mall and hang out? :) LadyofShalott 02:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe it: I had a bacon-topped cheese dream for lunch! This is true serendipity. It was delicious, by the way, esp. with the triple-thick bacon I use now. I'll see about getting that picture off my cellphone (I sent it to the Mrs. immediately) onto WP. Hi Lady--can you believe it, the tickets for Neil Gaiman were gone in 30 seconds. Fortunately, I know someone over there, and I got 12 tickets in via email. See you there? Are you going? Do I need to deny one of my students and save you a ticket? Drmies (talk) 02:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I would love to see NG in person. I don't think I'll be able to make that event though, and I'm jealous! A signed book from him would be a major score for my personal library, and to meet him... LadyofShalott 03:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2)See Drmies talk page for evidence of me being infallible when it comes to spelling. So they must be friends, chicken of the sea or something like that. It's been a long day. So what's the word, are you officially joining the cabal? I can see past your SAT scores, not sure about the others though. kelapstick (talk) 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ha. Just look at the picture I added, above. That should qualify me. And considering I counted bacon consumption without realizing that I eat thick or triple-thick cut, I think I should be alright. But then again, I understand this is a Republican talk page, and teaching the test is much more important than reality. BTW, the quiz should have asked how much bacon you usually have in the freezer. Well, cabalist, I got two pounds--sitting next to six pounds of butter. Drmies (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done Well, if my poor exam showing can be excused, and I'm not expelled, then I'm in... the cabal anyway, even if not a seat at Neil's appearance. LadyofShalott 03:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on Lady; the macrame club can do without you for one week. You know you love him! Drmies (talk) 03:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I do, I do; hence, the jealousy! So, do you have a favorite work by him? LadyofShalott 03:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

<--Hmm...Neverwhere and American Gods. But that's all I've read, besides Coraline. I got him to sign a copy of American Gods for a colleague last year, and they practically spooged over it, haha. Drmies (talk) 04:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

What the heck is this Neil Gaiman guy doing all over my page??? And why didn't Drmies melt the cheese properly? Is his broiler broken???? Here I am trying to relax on a Friday night and this is what I come "home" to. Outrageous. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

• You're just jealous, admit it. Hey, I wasn't following any recipe--I just had some bacon and a tub (!) full of cheese. And hunger. So this whole section here, that's just coincidence. Now, this Gaiman talk, it's in part an effort to educate you. But let's get back to business: no, let's make a new section for that. Drmies (talk) 04:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I heard Gaiman interviewed on Definitely Not the Opera once, it was quite interesting. To get the true effect, you need to use cheese slices for a cheese dream. But this our "family recipe". I was going to watch Logan's Run, but Netflix doesn't have it in the watch instantly section, so I am stuck with Blade Runner...--kelapstick (talk) 04:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Rollerball (the original movie not that crap remake) would have been a more appropriate choice for Superbowl weekend. Or maybe Woody Allen's Sleeper (film)?

Drmies failure to cook a proper cheese dream is one more piece of evidence establishing his Anti-American socialist tendencies. Speaking of which, I was reading about how the University of Southern California helped desegregate Bear Bryant's University of Alabama by opening a big ole can of whoop ass on them in 1970 with Sam Cunningham kicking some bubba butt. Too funny. Y'all will figure it out eventually Doc and are sure to catch up with the rest of us eventually. And to get you started, here's a hint: Choice is in baby! Communism went out with McCarthy. The last remnants got mopped up by Reagan and Bush, and the biases, segregationist low expectations, and discrmination of the Southern Democrats is best left in the dark ages of the past with all the other inhumanities. Even the Canadians and French are catching up with the times. Stop being retro and get with the program buddy. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

You should read the jingoistic tripe that some Southerners manage to produce. Good thing he's with your party now--good riddance. Drmies (talk) 05:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

How dare you attack that patriot. My favorite part is "The Fifth District of Alabama put a man on the moon, launched the first satellite into space, built the Lunar Roving Vehicle and the Hubble Telescope." HELL YEAH!!!

What was the name of the black player on UA in the 1970 game? I'm reading some tidbits in For the Good of the Game; A fateful Trojan football contest in 1970 ended 140 years of segregation on the college gridiron. The article discusses Turning of the Tide: How One Game Changed the South by Don Yeager with Sam Cunningham and John Papadakis. The book's website says "Travers also reaches the conclusion that Bryant was a Lincolnesque figure; a quiet hero of the civil rights movement. His friend John McKay is portrayed as a modern Moses of progressivism when it came to providing opportunities for black athletes in the 1960s. However, he gives free reign to the opinions of others: white and black; Yankee and Dixie. September 1970 is viewed through the prism of football as a metaphor for a changing America. This game was a seminal moment in which liberalism and conservatism met at the 50-yard line, in many ways for the last time. The winner was America." But of course it was Keyshawn Johnson who brought a Superbowl to Tampa Bay. Just saying. The story of Greg Page and the other Kentucky player who were the first black SEC players is also interesting. Is this subject covered in the Encyclopedia? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait, John Mitchell it says here. Hold please... ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... says he didn't play until 1971 [28]. Exactly one year AFTER the Southern Californians had to show the way. And here we are 40 years later... and people in Southern California are still instructing you on how things are supposed to be done. The more things change the more things stay the same I guess. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The article Gummies has been proposed for deletion. The proposed-deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

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Can an admin tell me what was deleted? Apparently the subject is enormously important subject that will need to be recreated. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

It's a two-sentence article about a flash game called Cheese Dreams. The article was deleted in fall 2008 as a G11. If you think it has promise, I can userfy it for you. The creator did not provide any sources. EdJohnston (talk) 02:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Eddie. I'm always curious when I see something was previously deleted where I'm set to work. Thanks for your assistance. Much appreciated. I suppose I should set up an alternative account so I can get adminship and do these things for myself. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I made it to level 3. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Child of Midnight! It is already funny - my sweet heart beloved user:Jasepl restarted his war with Aeroflot = me. Any piece of advice? )))) --Dimitree (talk) 21:01, 5 February 2010 (UTC) P.S.: hope u r ok this New Year... May I ask u: where r u from? US? UK? Commonwealth?

Yes, I saw that. Are Russia and Central Asian states still being moved into Europe by rogue Wikipedians?

How is the Russian team looking headed into the winter Olympics?

My only suggestion is to try posting the issue(s) to the WP:Content Noticeboard or on project discussion pages to try to get input from other editors. Whatever the consensus is, all parties are expected to abide by it. Good luck! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

No, nothing is being moved. However, additions without a valid reference are being removed. As is policy (both Wikipedia's and the Aviation project's). "Aeroflot Planning Department told me" is NOT a valid source, from any angle. Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 05:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

It is already a progress - nothing is being moved. But it is still regress when smone's opinion (or angle) is still the only one that rules. --Dimitree (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC) P.S.: the only one rogue English-speaking Wikipedian thinks himself the "King of the World" who is able to decide what is valid and what is not...

Hey y'all, I just merged Hoegaarden (beer) to Hoegaarden Brewery, but even combining strengths didn't make for a good article on an obviously notable (and very tasty) beer. They spearheaded the revival of wheat beers in the late 80s or so. Can you kids help out? I'm going to call it a day soon, and after Piraat and Lindemans Brewery, I don't feel like doing the same thing again. Thanks! Your FA star awaits you! Drmies (talk) 04:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Stock up Doc, we might have a shortage brewing. I'll head to Wholefoods right away! —SpacemanSpiff 04:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Doc was it you who started the pecan beer brewery article a while back? That seemed interesting. Stop playing around in the hoe garden and get on board with come JD, Buttweiser and Pabst Blue Ribbon. Let freedom reign! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I rarely drink, but now that the Ladyz and children are in bed I'm going to have a brewski in your honor! Here's to the saints! Trader Joe's Fat Weasel Ale from Paso Robles, California (and I'm munching on lefse) here I come!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I just opened up a can of whoopass, but I don't know how long it will last... ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

• Considering the quality of the "applications" you're adding, it's not even a can of lite diet whoopass. But enjoy it while it lasts, you masochist. As for Spiffy's comment, above, who cares about Heineken anyway? Haha! Drmies (talk) 05:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

That's what's in the encyclopedia my brother from another mother. So don't blame for the suspect quality of those bits. Did you see that it played a part in the establishment of the Power Puff Girls? How is that not notable?????? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Doc, please don't cast aspersions on my character, I'm NOT a Heineken drinker! According to the article, Hoegaarden was also shut down for a week; looks like InBev's got their priorities wrong, they'd be better off getting the insurance money for the Bud plants. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Maybe now that it's not just McDonalds under fire the Dutch judiciary will take needed action??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

thumb|left|60px|You're not worthy

Well, this happened in Belgium, including the Heineken shutdown. But tonight, it's Yorkshire Samuel Smith Brewery's Imperial Stout for me. —SpacemanSpiff 06:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Mmmmmm... Good choice. That's up there with Newcastle, Guiness and Paulaner right below Corona with lime and Sierra Nevada. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ahem! And what about Stone's Arrogant Bastard? "You're not worthy..." Geoff ^{Who, me?} 13:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. That fancy stuff is out of my price range. But you enjoy it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The trick is to get someone to buy it and bring it to you (as a gift) in their (checked) luggage and/or to arrange a biz trip to San Diego (or somewhere in Southern California) so you can expense it. Or something. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 18:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I just found out the regional beer I drank as a teenager is still being produced Genny Cream Ale. I'm shocked by all the awards it's won. It's tempting me but I don't if I should take a staggering trip down memory lane. Shinerunner (talk) 17:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

A teenager? You were drinking it in 2009? Genny light and Genny Ice are tough to beat. Are people still imbibing Saranac black and tans? Killian's was popular up there also. But when it was 4.99 for a case, Old Milwaulkee was really and truly the King of Beers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

2009 I wish! I've seen Saranac and Killian's around but I'm not sure how popular they are. The one beverage chains up here is selling micro beer by the growler with about six different brands on tap at a time. Do you remember another cheap beer - Red White & Blue Beer? Shinerunner (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm... never heard of RW&B beer. It definitely seems patriotic, and anything associated with Pabst is uniformly outstanding. We need a picture of a growler, so you'll have to pick one up... What you do with it after that I leave up to your perogative, as Bobby Brown would say. When I was in Minnesota a bar was advertising $2 Premiums. So I got a Leinenkugels, but they mean that Grain Belt Premium was $2. Language barrier! ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)