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Abishe (talk) 12:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Cdjp1, I'm seeing multiple overlapping of insignias in Mobile (browser & app). For example, the sleeve insignia of Admiral is overlapped by shoulder insignia of Vice admiral, which is confusing. I hope you’ll understand & let me fix it. Litton123 (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Skjoldbro:, now seeing this issue in the android app for display, across all charts that use the two images with nobreak, so we will need to find a satisfactory solution that isn't just halving the image sizes. Cdjp1 (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The issue described here, is most likely because of the {{nobreak|}} used on many navy templates. This code was originally introduced so there is certainty that all shoulder boards are placed next to the sleeve rather than random placement, based on the length of the template at any given time, as you might remember (Example). This however, results in the images staying locked on phone, when there is a limited space. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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All the rest looks fine thanks but if you used an automated tool on Gas in Turkey you might want to report a bug as it changed “date=2019-07-15” to “ date=15 July 019” in other words it lost the “2” for some reason. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A bot would be nice, but this was a manual change, so my fault there, apologies. Cdjp1 (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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So sorry for that.[1] I must have accidentally tapped a rollback link then hit something else before the results page loaded. Can’t think of another explanation. Apologies, and I’m glad you un-undid.  —Michael Z. 21:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey

I have some things concerning the rank templates that I would like to get your thoughts on.

OF(D)

I have been annoyed some time, that I have been unable to locate anything in STANAG 2116 about the "OF(D)" and "Student officer". Mostly because, there is such a great variety between the officer cadet ranks and structures. For example, UK only has one rank, while Germany has three all of which have their own OR rank, Iran has four, Spain has six and the US has as many as 16! This creates some issues with the templates, where half the page is dedicated to cadet ranks, or in the case of the US, it just written "Various".

As far as I can tell, there is no mention in any STANAG 2116 edition, and the addition of OF(D), can be traced back to 7 September 2010, where a 2006 UK report on Women in the military was added in reference to page 6's mention of "OF(OD)", as an "Official NATO source". The designation makes sense when looking at the UK, since it only has a single cadet rank, but becomes an issue when other nations use a whole dedicated rank structure for their cadet ranks. This is of course also incorrect as "OF(OD)" doesn't exist within NATO.

OR ranks

As you have noticed, with especially the US, there is an increase in nations using various special NCO/enlisted appointments (not ranks). E.g. SEAC et al., which are, like OFD, filling up the templates with unique and to an extend incomparable insignia. According to STANAG 2116 of 1975: "Unusual ranks and grades which are virtually unique to a nation are to be excluded from the code system and explained by footnotes to the appropriate Annex."

Solution

Trawl through every single rank template and remove mentions of OFD and senior enlisted appointments (SEA), eventually also removing the OFD from the top bar.

OFD and SEA removed from the comparative rank templates can then be placed on the national rank page. If there is a known correlation to standard ranks, the removed ranks can be placed like Lithuanian Specialist ranks. If the ranks and appointments are outside the normal structure, they can be placed in separate tables like at Botswana. Going the Botswana-route will also allow for other appointments insignia to be added, such as band insignia etc.

It is a lot of work, and it is going to take a long time, which is why I wanted to hear your opinion on it, especially, since there aren’t that many other editors who work on the templates.

Best Skjoldbro (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Skjoldbro, before getting to your suggested solution, a similar solution is what I was forming from your points. I have already done similar for ranks that are variations on that standard ranks systems countries use for the NATO coding, such as with British army ORs. I am happy to proceed with your suggestion, with my only change being (if you support it), having something in the main template that provides a link to the correct article/article section detailing the Cadet/Student/Designate ranks. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I have seen the table for UK OR. Hmm, I'm a bit apprehensive about that, as I can't really see how you would go about doing it. What were you thinking? Skjoldbro (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As an example:

NATO code	OF-10		OF-9		OF-8		OF-7		OF-6		OF-5		OF-4		OF-3		OF-2		OF-1
United States Air Force[1] v t e																									[a]
	General of the Air Force		General		Lieutenant general		Major general		Brigadier general		Colonel		Lieutenant colonel		Major		Captain		First lieutenant			Second lieutenant			Cadet / Officer trainee
New version	OF-10		OF-9		OF-8		OF-7		OF-6		OF-5		OF-4		OF-3		OF-2		OF-1

-- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstand. Seeing as all countries have a different number of cadet ranks, and especially seeing that "OF(D)" and "Student officer" are not ranks or codes within NATO, I am planning a complete removal of these two titles from the Template:Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armed Forces/OF/Blank and all related templates (result seen above). However, only after all mentions have been moved from rank templates to appropriate rank pages. Skjoldbro (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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