User talk:Nick mallory/Archive 3

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For your kind comments at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scientology and Werner Erhard - - I worked hard on sourcing that article and your acknowledgement of this is most appreciated. Thank you. Smee 12:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

No problem. Nick mallory 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Nick mallory. Thanks for commenting on my unsuccessful RFA last month under my old name, TeckWiz. I'm now known simply as User:R. I've been very busy lately which is why you're getting now. I will use your comment to help improve, and I hope to keep helping and improving Wikipedia alongside you. --TeckWiz is now R ^ParlateContribs_@(Let's go Yankees!) 16:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, good luck with your next application. I'm sure you'll be a very good admin in time. Nick mallory 01:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Nick, the change to 'first class' is a good distinction to make for the list. Extra thanks for the page! Grumpyyoungman01 00:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Grumpy has informed me on his talk page that I can change back to "international" status. This is a courtesy notification. Actually I have read several times over the years that such status is official for Tony. EG Balmain-UTS Club and Jack Pollard's encyclopedic work on Australian Cricket where Tony has a lengthy article (NOT the work quoted in entry but another earlier book) 144.133.198.32 09:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure, fine by me. Nick mallory 10:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Nick, thank you for your kind words in support of my RfA, which successfully closed yesterday, and for your support of my sig. In the end, I decided that it would be simpler to just change it back in the interest of avoiding conflict over it. Please feel free to drop me a line any time if I can help you in any way. Pastordavid 15:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been entertaining at least....! I almost wish I hadn't nominated it for deletion since the record is more straight now than before...[1]--MONGO 07:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you as it is unfair that he should not be recognised. He started off as the lowest of the low. I have read about him, in many naval books that of course i cannot cite. No one seems to believe that he is notable. Yes i agree that it is not the best written article but there is no need for it to be deleted. Plus, I got blocked from saving it by a user called Irish guy. The trouble is most references about him are not on the internet. I have now, after being unblocked, tried google and found one reference which i have added. I do hope it doesn't get deleted. from Nick

How about you write whatever extra information you have about him here, on my talk page, and I'll write it up nicely on the Wikipedia page to improve it? That way it's less likely to get deleted. If you could mention the names and pages on naval books on which he is mentioned, that would help, also any ranks or commands he held, more information about any NATO post etc. The more facts there are the better. Put the information here and I'll write it up, ok? Nick mallory 02:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes thank you. I will do that a.s.a.p He was actually involved in the bombings of the intrepid itself on 25 May 1982 in San Carlos Water. Intrepid never seems to get any praise as Fearless is the famous one. He was denied an OBE because in the Navy you need to be put forward for it, but because he was from a deprived background certain officers did not think he deserved it. He was well known for being down with his men, unlike many of his counterparts. I just wish i could prove it, by talking to people who knew him. I have a lot of photos and few books so if this would help proving his case? i will do so. He was the head of NATO, for the UK, i will try and prove this. His wife should be mentioned for her work with him. Plus his local work for support and chairing many major committees.

Are you sure he was 'head of NATO for the UK?' Try to find his exact job title. Let's get the article looking as official as possible to start off with, using as many sources as possible. We can put some of the family stuff back later but it's best to leave it off for now. If there's sources mentioning his role during the falklands war or the san carlo landings that would be great. If you've got a quote when he's mentioned by Mrs Thatcher that would be perfect. Nick mallory 12:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I've done a little editing, but time precludes my doing any more at the moment. Some points that you might want to address are:

• 1. Every Test player is supposed to have a Wiki article, so there shouldn't really be any redlinks. Of course, the problem is that the version of a player's name used for his article isn't always obvious.
• 2. "Test" ought always to be capitalised, rather than spelt "test".
• 3. Including "2007" in the second article's name may not be a good idea, as it will be out of date in a year. I suggest changing the name to "History of the England Cricket Team since 1945".

JH (talk page) 17:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll do as you suggest. I'd got up to rewriting the 1960s in that article and then got side tracked. I'll finish the rest of it now. Maybe it'll have to get split again with a section from 1945 -1999 and then a new one for 2000 - date? Nick mallory 02:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution, but we are trying to write an encyclopedia here, so please keep your edits factual and neutral. Our readers are looking for serious articles and will not find joke edits amusing. Remember, millions of people read Wikipedia, so we have to take what we do here seriously. If you'd like to experiment with editing, use the Sandbox to get started. Thank you. DXRAW 08:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me? What are you talking about? I've made quite a few edits on wikipedia so I don't really need any advice about 'how to get started'. I hope your research on the articles you contribute to is better founded than this comment about me. I took your nomination of this [2] article as a joke to be honest, I'm surprised that you mean it seriously but as you obviously do I've put a more 'constructive' comment on the AfD. Currently everyone who has commented disagrees with your nomination. Nick mallory 08:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

What do you think about this article? Should it be deleted? At the very least it should be moved, as the title is misleading. What makes these radio shows paranormal? Are they hosted by ghosts? Pablo Talk | Contributions 15:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message. At the very least we should do a list of skeptical podcasts and radio shows as well - skeptics guide to the universe, skepticality etc etc. This paranormal list should be 'list of radio shows about the paranormal' I suppose so you could nominate a move to that. The best way to deal with these shows and people, I think, is to look on the websites associated with them, find the a suitably representative wacky quote and put that on the article to balance it. The idiocy of these things is best shown by quoting their words back at them and their supporters find that very hard to remove. Nick mallory 12:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Nominating a perfectly legitimate article literally two minutes after its creation doesn't help people who are trying to create an encyclopedia, Raerth. How about giving the people who actually create articles just a bit of breathing space? This chap was a full international with twenty caps, the AfD discussion clearly shows the consensus on this now and perhaps a bit more research, or even patience, on your part wouldn't go amiss? The consensus on Wikipedia seems to be that every Olympian is notable, no matter how 'pointless' you see this as being. Nick mallory 14:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

This is an Olympian who was part of the team, but did not play in a single Olympic match. Whoever the admin was who deleted it the first time must have agreed with me that this is not notable. This as an article that you would only find if checking that particular years Swedish Olympic football team, and once there the only additional information is that he played no Olympic games but had 20 caps. If the consensus lies that this is notable enough then I will bow to that. Raerth 17:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Nick mallory 01:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey there. I feel your edits to the article are good. However, you might want to consider using the Show Preview button and holding off punching in an edit until you're pretty sure you have all the changes ready. Of course, this increases the risk you'll come into conflict with another edit, but that's easily dealt with (i.e. by putting all your sources aside and working on integrating them when they're all compiled). This will make it easier for others to use the History to compare versions and track changes. --Edwin Herdman 11:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

My repeated edits are in response to the AfD currently underway. I keep being told that there aren't enough sources, or that the sources (Washington Times, New York Times, National Review) are too trivial, or now that there are too many quotes. I'm trying to improve the article so that it meets the exacting demands of Mr Macken who seems eager to delete it. He put in citation needed tags and a quote farm tag and I did work to address that but as soon as I improve it, he seems to ask for more improvements. I have been edit conflicted twice while working on it and, given a choice between leaving it alone to make the edit history easier for you to read and actually improving the article then I'll chose the latter for now. Thanks for your interest. Nick mallory 11:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Update for you - I contacted ObiterDicta and got him involved. He says that calling into question why Mackan made all those edits is not appropriate, and while I think Mackan was inviting suspicion by refusing to answer, that's his choice. I did ask him not to accuse others of not having good faith; though. Part of WP:AGF is assuming others have the assumption of good faith. Hopefully this will all be over soon. --Edwin Herdman 20:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not questioning Mackan's good faith, I was merely trying to deal with his objections (lack of sources, too many quotes etc) in the article by improving it. He kept moving the goal posts (saying various sources weren't good enough etc) so I kept trying to improve the article. What's the problem? Nick mallory 00:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I know. After I wrote that ObiterDicta left a note which seemed to indicate the contrary on Mackan's page. Whatever. There isn't any problem here, just keeping you abreast of what's happening. If you'd rather I didn't, that's fine too. --Edwin Herdman 02:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Edwin, I appreciate you taking the time to keep me abreast of the situation, it's kind of you. I wasn't having a go at you and I'm sure Macken is a big boy who can look after himself, just as I can, in the forum for robust debate which is AfD. I've done my bit on the Brussels Journal anyway, though it'll be interesting which way the decision goes. You win some, you lose some, it's all good clean fun isn't it? Thanks again. Nick mallory 05:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I missed this comment in the shuffle. Thanks for the comment; I look forward to working with you again (and I have a feeling there's going to be yet more AfDs to work on in the near future). --Edwin Herdman 04:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Could you clarify or expand on that? Bulldog123 16:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I could, yes. Nick mallory 00:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nick, just a reminder to please assume good faith when responding to deletion discussions. I am referring to this comment. As the article stood when it was nominated for deletion it did not meet the requirements of WP:PORNBIO. After it was nominated it prompted me to get off my butt and research to see if Raven did indeed meet the notability requirements. After I found she did I added to the article. The nominator is an administrator and is here to protect the integrity of the encyclopedia, not carry out personal vendettas. Wikipedia's policies prevent him from doing so. Happy editing! —Ocatecir ^Talk 18:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I meant my comments in the light hearted manner of the other comments on the thread, I wasn't making any aspersions to anyone's good faith. The wording of the nominators opening salvo did seem to object to ALL such entries on Wikipedia, not just this one. As for him being an admin, well, admins don't form a class above other editors either, if we're assuming good faith then we're ALL here to protect the integrity of the encyclopedia. I didn't think he was carrying out a 'personal vendetta' for a moment. Nick mallory 00:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. Happy editing! —Ocatecir ^Talk 03:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Please accept my most sincere apologies. There is many people who write single sentences as if they were articles. As an advice, please consider starting your next article as a user subpage and move it later to the main (article) namespace. This would avoid your article to be improperly tagged. Rjgodoy 18:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't start the article, I merely found it and improved it with a few minutes research and writing - as you could have done instead of tagging it for speedy deletion. The important thing is that Wikipedia is just a little better for this. Keep up the good work. Nick mallory 00:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I knew you didn't start the article, but I also notify main contributors when the original author seems to be quiet. You are right in your opinion about wikipedia (that called meta:inclusionism). On the other hand i am a deletionist, that means I look for articles which distort Wikipedia's goals. I am human and errare humanum est. Rjgodoy 00:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't you ever write or improve articles yourself then? Nick mallory 00:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually I did (some constructive contributions are listed on my user page). There are some contributions on other wikis (such as including an image or correcting a mistake if I can deal with the language). However, I feel the main problem in Wikipedia is not lack of content but excess (and not necessarily in the correct way). Rjgodoy 05:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'm sure you're doing a good job. I wasn't having a go at you, just wondered. Nick mallory 05:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at the article, and I don't think it needs to be deleted. The guy seems to be a nut, but at least he's a fairly prominent one. If you want to put it up for deletion, go ahead, but I don't think I'll vote either way. Makerowner 17:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Nick mallory 02:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that he's deserving of a higher importance rating than "low". He's the voice of Caribbean cricket and seems to have considerable influence. He's been around for over forty years and amongst current cricket commentators probably only Richie Benaud has been going for longer. It's difficult to rate non-players, but I would be inclined to put him as at least "mid". JH (talk page) 16:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure that'd be fine. I didn't presume to change any of the importance ratings when I went through the Windies to check which ones were stubs or not. Nick mallory 01:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that you've also been very conservative in your rating of Ramadhin. He and Valentine were the main reason why West Indies won a series in England for the first time, and had an enormous impact. John Woodcock rated him as one of his 100 greatest cricketers of all time. I feel that he merits "mid" at the very least. JH (talk page) 17:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree he should be mid. Again I didn't change any of the importance ratings, I just looked at the articles to take off 'stub' notices, rather than changing any ratings. I'll let wiser heads, like you, do that sort of thing. Nick mallory 01:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Wes Hall too! Surely he should be "high" rather than "low"? I've been going through the cricketers in John Woodcock's list of the 100 greatest, with the idea of adding them here Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Key biographies as a table, but if many of his 100 greatest are truly only of low importance then it rather cuts the ground from under my feet. If we rank such players as "low" then we are lumping them in with run of the mill county cricketers. You ranked Andy Roberts as "mid", and I can't see why Hall should be ranked lower. JH (talk page) 17:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, once again I was just destubbing, rather than presuming to rate people for importance, that's out of my pay grade. Nick mallory 01:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for nominating that page so fast; I didn't realize it was still under construction. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 18:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

That's ok, sometimes it's just just to have a little check of the history and the subject matter if it's not obviously a vanity or nonsense page, that's all i'm saying. You're doing a good job weeding out the rubbish I know. Nick mallory 01:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I tend to be a tad twitchy at times. I'll try to hold back. --Whsitchy 04:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Maybe in a case like that one, rather than an obvious kid's vanity page or simple profanity, add it to your watchlist, give it an hour and then have another look to make sure before doing the speedy? It's an idea to google the name to see if it's going to check out too. Have a look at the article now for instance. Lots of people, myself included, will do multiple saves of an article over the course of creating it so what looks very thin may quickly turn into a good enough piece. Nick mallory 05:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, saw a page like that again, with an artificial island, yahoo'ed it, came up as good. --Whsitchy 05:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Good work. That's the way to do it. Nick mallory 05:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I know where you're coming from at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Rona. I hate the fact that all those things get their own articles and such, and it's really tempting to send them off to AfD just to see what will happen. --Whsitchy 06:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we all have our own views about what's important I suppose. The consensus is against us I'm afraid but there's no harm in putting the case for inclusion. Nick mallory 07:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Do you have a source for Wilson being run out in both innings without facing a ball? It's not clear from the Cricinfo or CricketArchive pages, and Wisden doesn't have an obituary for him. All you can tell from the match scorecard is that he made a pair. I think we do need a citation for an interesting point like this. Loganberry (Talk) 17:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's from David Frith's book 'The Pageant of Cricket' which I trawled through a few weeks ago. Nick mallory 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Your comments were noted. A back-and-forth is not necessary about this. There is no harm in adding a speedy deletion tag, since a holdon with your plans for the article's future would suffice. Regards. Brianga 06:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't 'my' article, I merely improved it after finding it, just as you could have done had you been so inclined. You added the tag two minutes after it was created which is hardly giving the original writer a chance and such swift action might look like 'biting' new editors. Once again the article was about a town which is automatically notable under Wikipedia guidelines and was obviously still under construction when you twinkled it. As for a back and forth, how was I to know if my comment on your talk page had been 'noted' if you immediately blank that talk page instead of replying to me there? Nick mallory 07:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I started writing that article and I hope that I'll get to writing some more about Czech cities. How did you know about that town? Did you just research information or are you Czech? --Dominik92 04:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Dobrý den!, I'm not Czech but I have an interest in Eastern Europe in general and the Czech Republic in particular. I just did a bit of research to improve the article when I noticed it was (wrongly) nominated for deletion. If you do any more articles then let me know and I'll be happy to help you in any way I can. If you could add some more about Osek town, rather than the monastery, then that would be great. Nick mallory 05:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I've replied on the article's talk page. Realkyhick 07:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		After our talk, I feel more encouraged to improve articles than before. Thank you!. Rjgodoy 12:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, that's very kind of you, happy editing. Nick mallory 13:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Kevin Reilly, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Babedacus 13:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you'll find I did that. Nick mallory 13:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops.I'm a little slow.;) Babedacus 13:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For improving the article Stray voltage when it was put up for deletion, I award you the Editor's barnstar. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 12:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Nick mallory 12:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nick. Thanks for your comment at Mike18xx RfC. The reason of the RfC is well-defined on top. After many requests at his talkpage, Mike18xx hasn't acknowledged nor promised not to do harm to neither Wikipedia nor Wikipedians. So the RfC is meant to ask him about his real stance on the matter once and for all. I don't see any political motivations behind the RfC or else i'd have been filing RfC's against all users w/ whom i disagree. What would he have lost if he'd only apologized and went on? -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 15:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I left my message on the appropriate page and don't see any reason for any additional discussion here, I certainly don't have to justify my position to you. My suspicions that you're simply out to get him any way you can and are blowing this up out of all proportion are only strengthened by you leaving this message here. How about you moving on yourself and setting him a good example? I trust I'm not to be the subject of constant badgering in a misguided and futile effort to make me change my mind. Nick mallory 07:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I neither tagged the articles for deletion nor deleted any of the articles. However, Wikipedia receives a lot of new articles every day, and a lot of them are inappropriate and need to be deleted. If there is a previously arranged agreement that these articles will be worked on for several days, you must mark them with {{underconstruction}} to let other editors and recent change watchers know. If they aren't marked, you're going to have the same type of problems you've had previously. It's unfair to assume that everyone is involved, or even aware of, the policies and innerworkings of WikiProject Cricket, so a little heads-up would be nice. Cheers. --MZMcBride 13:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

No. It's up to you to check the criteria for speedy deletion and if you don't know what you're doing, which you clearly didn't in this case, you should leave the task to someone who does. The articles are perfectly legitimate as they are when first created as they assert the subject's notability by saying 'so and so was a first class cricketer' and giving his figures and a source. There is simply no doubt or question about their legitimacy. You should check on the notability criteria before telling a hard working editor like my Bangladeshi friend not to create these articles or stick to more clear cut cases. Nick mallory 13:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:CSD#A1 and WP:CSD#A7 could potentially apply to articles like the ones being created. It is the job of admins to speedy-delete articles, or not, and I held off and didn't delete the articles. However, in the future, without a warning that a page is still under construction, you're going to run into the exact same issue. Also, other users have both marked these articles for deletion and given you the same response.

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If other people were lined up to write the prose, it is indeed a bit annoying, but the deletions were quite fair by Wikipedia rules, and can be undone by any admin if there is some text ready to put in the articles as well. The first criterion for immediately deleting an article, is if there is no context given in the article. To avoid this I woudl suggest putting at least one sentence along with the infobox - something like "Xyz Vwx is a Bangladeshi cricketer, who has plays for Sylhet Division." The article can then stay until someone else expands the text. Don't be scared of writing the prose yourself - it is quite ok to make mistakes, and have them fixed up by others - that's how Wikipedia works! Hope this helps, JPD (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Please mark the pages with {{underconstruction}} and I believe further problems can be avoided. Thanks. --MZMcBride 13:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote, it proves my point rather than yours. The articles which were first speedied ONLY had the info box. Since then they have been created with the sentence that asserts that the player was a first class cricketer. When the articles are constructed with the info box and the initial sentence then they pass the bar - something you still fail to appreciate. The additional prose I add helps expand the article but is not necessary to ensure the article's survival. The original writer was writing the sentence "Xyz Vwx is a Bangladeshi cricketer, who has plays for Sylhet Division." which he'd been asked to do, and was understandably annoyed when you still said they weren't good enough. Other uses have marked these articles for deletion and their concerns have been taken on board and they now think the articles as they're being written are perfectly legitimate.

WP:CSD#A1 and WP:CSD#A7 do NOT apply as the stated fact that these players are first class cricketers gives the context and asserts their importance. Wikipedia policy and precedent shows that ALL first class cricketers are notable. It's up to you to check on that sort of thing when deciding if something might qualify for speedy deletion. Nick mallory 14:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Nick mallory 13:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree - only Galloway and Ridley are notable - and she is notable mostly for having been taken hostage. I may tag the others for deletion - I suspect that activists are involved in creating these pages. There are also too many pages for non-notable SWP people. Bigdaddy1981 03:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

• Anything you tag I'll support. Nick mallory 04:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. The problem is over. No need to bite anymore. I would just like to state that I never doubted the notability of the player. I just pointed out that the article was not a stub and should be deleted. Wikipedia:Stubs clearly states that very short articles are subject to deletion. I would also like you to address me using my proper name; User:Boricuaeddie. Thank you. Yours truly, Eddie 14:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not a very short article if you include the info box which includes a lot of information - all the main first class and limited over statistics of the player in question in fact, including what type of batsman and bowler they are, how many games they've played, how many runs they've scored at what average, how many wickets they've taken at what average, how many centuries and fifties they've scored, what their highest scores and best bowling analysis is, the number of catches they've taken and stumpings achieved etc. Info boxes are used to condense a lot of information in a short space. That's the point of them. I'm not biting by the way, I'm having my time wasted by people attempting to delete or questioning the existence of perfectly legitimate articles. I have no idea what your 'proper' name is, as your signature says you're user:Boricuaeddie but also says that you're called Eddie. Which one do you prefer? Nick mallory 14:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. The last part was a joke. I don't care what you call me. Thank you. Yours truly, Eddie 14:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, fair enough, let's call it a day then. Nick mallory 14:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nick. I have just spoke to user MZMcBride in which after he sent me a message I agreed to add a underconstruction tag on each article I create. This will hopefully stop people putting articles for deletion. 02blythed 17:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I have just created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Ahmed with the underconstuction tag. Just remove the tag once you have expanded the artcle. I am about to watch the cricket highlights and then I will hopefully continue creating new articles 02blythed 18:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

New articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Parvez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Rahim

Hello Nick. Here are some new articles that I have just created

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imrul_Kayash 02blythed 10:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imtiaz_Hossain 02blythed 10:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iqbal_Hossain 02blythed 10:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishraq_Sonet 02blythed 10:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahidur_Rahman 02blythed 10:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahurul_Islam 02blythed 10:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakwan_Ahmed 02blythed 10:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Faisal 02blythed 10:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamiul_Alam 02blythed 10:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Hossain 02blythed 11:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_Roy 02blythed 11:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Khan 02blythed 11:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

ok done them. Nick mallory 03:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Here are more new articles I have created

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubair_Ahmed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junaid_Siddique 02blythed 09:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabir_Ahmed 02blythed 09:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafi_Khan 02blythed 09:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamaluddin 02blythed 10:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamrul_Ahsan 02blythed 10:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamrul_Hasan 02blythed 10:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamrul_Islam 02blythed 10:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazi_Tariqul_Islam 02blythed 10:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khairuzzaman 02blythed 10:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

OK Done these too. Well done, we'll soon be through them.

New articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuntal_Chandra 02blythed 10:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lablur_Rahman 02blythed 10:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalmohon_Hossain 02blythed 10:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafizul_Islam 02blythed 10:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahbub_Alam 02blythed 10:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahbubul_Karim 02blythed 10:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahfuzur_Rahman 02blythed 10:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKM_Mahmood 02blythed 10:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmuduzzaman 02blythed 11:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Ayub 02blythed 11:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

All right my friend, these are done. Well done again. Put the next batch in a new section at the bottom of this page, ok? Nick mallory 12:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Nick. I wish there were more people like you in the world. I will keep adding to article and creating! thanks for the confidence booster! Whoisthis2007 19:24 11 June 2007

No problem sunshine. If you want me to check a piece you do or you've anything to ask about stuff on here feel free. Nick mallory 01:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

to find you supporting on a talk page [3] and here a proposed group of deletions just nominated in remarkably biased language [4]. But I'm sure we'll continue to agree on most things. (smile)DGG 02:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, you know, I don't attempt to convert my opponents - I aim at converting their audience. Nick mallory 02:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No, ginger beer is different -- it's comparable to ginger ale. I know because I've seen ginger beer in stores around here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 03:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note, I appreciate it! So we're saying Ginger Ale (whiskey mixer) and Ginger beer (Enid Blyton) are pretty much the same thing but that Root Beer (American soft drink) is definitely different from them both? Or that Root Beer is the same as Ginger Ale and they're both different to Ginger Beer? The wikipedia article says ginger beer can have alcohol in it, I'm sure that's not true of English ginger beer though. This is confusing. I'll stick to tea. Nick mallory 04:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your message! I'll probably have to ask some questions to improve the quality of the French articles, so the fact that "the boys at the cricket project are very helpful" will help me! OrangeKnight 01:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nick. I've replied to your comment at the above discussion. Cheers! Pedro |  Chat  14:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for nominating me for the cricket barnstar. I am honoured to recieve such a reward. Thanks again 02blythed 20:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maruf_Reza 02blythed 10:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashiur_Rahman 02blythed 10:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashud_Ahmed 02blythed 10:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masud_Ahmed 02blythed 11:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masudul_Hasan 02blythed 11:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll get on these as soon as I can, keep them coming. Nick mallory 14:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masudur_Rahman 02blythed 20:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masumud_Dowla 02blythed 20:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MA_Matin 02blythed 21:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mintu_Das 02blythed 21:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithun_Ali 02blythed 10:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizanur_Rahman_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 10:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Azim 02blythed 10:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Kalim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mazhar 02blythed 10:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mostadir 02blythed 11:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

i'm working on them now sunshine, keep them coming. thanks for your kind words at Dweller's talk page by the way. Nick mallory 10:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for writing the prose again. I will finish for now but may return later if not then probably tomorrow. 02blythed 11:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, we're doing well here. I'll have finished these by the time you put some more up. Nick mallory 11:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Robin 02blythed 17:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sayeem 02blythed 17:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Shakil 02blythed 18:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. Done these, start another new section so I can keep track of where I am. Nick mallory 04:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I have translated the article on :de:wikipedia. Now the limitation of my English is the problem. Please could you proofread the article. Thank you.--Thw1309 12:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks, I'll read it now. Nick mallory 14:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I've gone through it and tidied up the language. Your translation was sehr gut. Danke sehr viel. Nick mallory 15:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sukran 02blythed 09:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Younus 02blythed 09:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moinuzzaman 02blythed 09:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monir_Hossain 02blythed 09:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monirul_Haque 02blythed 09:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Done these. Nick mallory 11:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC

Hello Nick. I will not be able to spend much time if any in the next few weeks due to circumstances at home once these circumstances have been resolved I will hopefully continue with the Bangledeshi cricketers. Sorry again 02blythed 08:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

That's alright, I hope things are ok with you. We'll pick it up again when you're ready. Nick mallory 10:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I reverted your drop of the hoax tag on this article because there remains some unclarity about what actually happened. From my perspective, the hoax tag is not to indicate that streptococcus mitis did not successfully made it to the moon and back, but rather that there is a possibility it did. There are various conflicting reports out there about whether or not the sample was possibly contaminated on return, so either the issue needs to be resolved one way or the other via an authoritative source or else the article needs to be rewritten in a way that addresses the existing ambiguity. Thanks for contributing and please leave a message on the talk page with any questions. Cheers, Vectro 13:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not a hoax though is it? A hoax is when someone deliberately invents a story to fool people. This is a case of something whose nature and cause is disputed. It's a matter of debate, it's not a hoax. Nick mallory 00:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, ok, don't go mad, I said I may be wrong. I'm not American, I'm not an astronomer and I certainly wasn't born then. Google showed me nothing. In any case, no one with any sense is going to 'pile on', I explained I may be wrong. I am not attacking anyone, they won't attack me. If 'piling on' in your books is voting keep on something that should be kept, then so be it, bring it on. I have nominated the article now, I don't own the nomination, especially as others have voted delete. Don't panic- if the article concerns a notable topic, it will be kept. J Milburn 23:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going mad. Google showed nothing? Really? [5] A simple 'Sorry, I was wrong, I'll withdraw it' would suffice as you offered to do that in your nomination. I'm not American, I'm not an astronomer and I wasn't born then either, so what? I notified you so you could withdraw it gracefully, I wasn't panicking, only trying to save you from looking silly. My mistake obviously. Nick mallory 23:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

No, you are very aggressively defending this article. Yes, I was wrong, anyone can see that, but allowing it to go through the AfD will not do the article any harm. Hell, it has done it a lot of good. You seem to be rather touchy about this AfD- just chill out. It isn't a matter of pride for me, my ego isn't bruised because I nominated an article for deletion that shouldn't be deleted, but thanks for the concern. J Milburn 09:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm entirely chilled sunshine. I'm also old enough to be your father. It's not a question of any concern for your ego by the way. Say you want to be an admin one day, the fact that you can nominate articles like this without doing any of the necessary research beforehand wouldn't look good, nor would telling people to 'chill out' when they simply try to rectify your mistakes. That was my point, but hey, continue to patronise me if you'd rather. Nick mallory 16:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nick the circumstances at home are now resolved so I am able to continue creating new articles. Thanks 02blythed 09:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monirul_Islam 02blythed 09:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monirul_Islam_%28Sylhet_Division_cricketer%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moniruzzaman_%28_Rajshahi_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morshed_Hossain 02blythed 10:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaddek_Hossain 02blythed 10:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosharraf_Hossain 02blythed 10:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Aziz 02blythed 10:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozammel_Hossain 02blythed 10:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Good to have you back, hope everything's ok, i 'll do these today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Ali 02blythed 10:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Siddique 02blythed 10:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muklesur_Rahman 02blythed 10:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_Khan_%28Khulna_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_Khan_%28_Rajshahi_Division%29 02blythed 11:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for standing up for my vote, and indeed, the article I authored, by voting keep for Thomas Howarth. Bobo. 03:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a certain keep. I did all the yorkshire players a couple of months ago and had to fight the odd battle along the way. It's usually some overkeen young American who hasn't read the rules. He won't do it again. I'll put a note on the wikiproject page too. Nick mallory 03:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monirul_Islam_%28Sylhet_Division_cricketer%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moniruzzaman_%28_Rajshahi_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morshed_Hossain 02blythed 10:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaddek_Hossain 02blythed 10:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosharraf_Hossain 02blythed 10:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Aziz 02blythed 10:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozammel_Hossain 02blythed 10:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Good to have you back, hope everything's ok, i 'll do these today. The above are now done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Ali 02blythed 10:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Siddique 02blythed 10:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muklesur_Rahman 02blythed 10:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_Khan_%28Khulna_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_Khan_%28_Rajshahi_Division%29 02blythed 11:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, all done now blythed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadim_Ahmed 02blythed 10:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadim_Sajjad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadimuddin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naeem_Islam 02blythed 10:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahidul_Haque 02blythed 10:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narayan_Chandra 02blythed 10:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_Hossain 02blythed 10:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

OK. Done these as well. Start another section for the new ones.

I'd like to thank you also personally for all the hard work you've put into cricket oriented articles. Keep up the great work!!!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 09:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I apologise for being needlessly ratty. Nick mallory 09:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

02blythed 10:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasiruddin_Faruque

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasirul_Alam 02blythed 10:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayan_Kumar 02blythed 10:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazimuddin_Chowdhury 02blythed 10:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazmul_Hossain_%28_Dhaka_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 11:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazmus_Sadat_%28_Dhaka_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 11:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Nick mallory 04:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niaz_Morshed_%28_cricketer%29 02blythed 09:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niaz_Morshed_%28Dhaka_Division%29 02blythed 10:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuruzzaman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizamuddin_%28_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuruzzaman 02blythed 10:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuruzzaman_%28_Rajshahi_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obaidullah 02blythed 10:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sharif_%28_cricketer%29 02blythed 11:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

done. Nick mallory 03:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paplu_Dutta 02blythed 12:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappa_Sharma 02blythed 12:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvez_Ahmed 02blythed 12:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pijush_Krishna 02blythed 12:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosenjit_Joy 02blythed 12:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabiul_Karim 02blythed 12:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Well done. Put the new ones in below. Nick mallory 01:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nick. I am about to continue creating new articles and I wondered if you would be willing to help me on my next project after finishing creating the bangledeshi cricket players and to create English first class and List A cricketers without an article. Your role would be the same if you were interested in helping as with the Bangledeshi cricketers. Just let me know when you have made your decision. Thanks 02blythed 09:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC) 02blythed 09:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafiqul_Islam_%28_Biman_Bangladesh_Airlines_cricketer%29 02blythed 09:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafiul_Haque 02blythed 10:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raihanuddin_Arafat 02blythed 10:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raisul_Islam 02blythed 10:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajat_Roy 02blythed 10:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raju_Parvez 02blythed 10:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Miah 02blythed 10:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasel_Ahmed 02blythed 10:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raqibul_Hasan_cricketer 02blythed 10:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'd be delighted to help you cover English cricketers who don't currently have an article. I did about 300 myself covering every Yorkshire CCC player a few months ago so it'd be good to have a new project. Nick mallory 23:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Before I continue to create new articles I would just like to say thankyou for accepting to help me create new english articles. Thanks. 02blythed 09:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashed_Khan 02blythed 09:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashedul_Islam 02blythed 09:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashedur_Rahman 02blythed 09:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashedur_Rahman_%28Sylhet_Division_cricketer%29 02blythed 09:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasheduzzaman 02blythed 10:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidul_Haque 02blythed 10:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razib_Kumar 02blythed 10:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raziul_Ahsan 02blythed 10:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezaul_Haque 02blythed 10:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezaul_Hasan 02blythed 10:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

done. Nick mallory 03:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezaul_Islam 02blythed 09:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezaul_Karim 02blythed 10:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezwan_Kabir 02blythed 10:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezwanul_Islam02blythed 10:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rintu_Roy 02blythed 10:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robindranath_Sen 02blythed 10:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robiul_Islam 02blythed 10:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubaiyat_Haque 02blythed 10:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabibul_Azam 02blythed 10:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Well done. Nick mallory 03:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadid_Hossain 02blythed 10:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadik_Hasan02blythed 10:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadik_Khan 02blythed 10:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiqur_Rahman02blythed 11:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safaiat_Islam 02blythed 11:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saghir_Hossain 02blythed 11:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahadat_Hossain 02blythed 11:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_Mahmud 02blythed 11:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

done.

Hi Nick, I posted a request at User talk:02blythed as you suggested. I see that you're coaching him through this which is very kind of you. There's a few minor problems with these articles which I'm loath to mention but anyway ...

1. They don't use standard cricket infoboxes, just tables
2. Often the table is missing a closing "|}" tag
3. Often the text and categories are above the infobox, which is the wrong way around
4. Often the articles refer to Bangledesh instead of Bangladesh. I don't know if this is deliberate and asked 02blythed to comment
5. Often missing the {{Bangladesh-cricketbio-stub}} tag

I am unsure how far through the list you guys are, but if you're finished or nearly finished, then this is just maintenance work which can easily be fixed, but I raise it now in case there's a lot of new articles yet to be created. Cheers —Moondyne 04:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'll try to address the points.

He's doing the tables, I'm doing the write up, so any technical problems with the boxes can be addressed to him as I don't touch them. I wasn't aware they weren't the standard boxes, as I did tell him to use the templates on my user page at the start.

I didn't know about the text going below the tables, that's my mistake, so I'll do it the other way round from now on.

As for the spelling of his country's name, well he writes that first sentence so I presumed that's how he wanted it. He had a problem with a couple of over zealous editors deleting his articles as soon as he created them at the start because there was no prose there, so he was told to put 'so and so is a first class cricketer from Bangladesh' in each one. He does that, then I cobble something together from cricket archive. I'm sure I'm making a few spelling mistakes too because there's no auto spell check on the library computer I do them on and frankly, having written 'so and so played 3 matches for Barisal Division' nine hundred times I'm not seeing them with a fresh eye anymore.

They are stubs of course but I'm putting in as much information as there seems to be about these guys. These are just first class cricketers in Bangladesh, most of them have only played a handful of matches, so I don't know if there's much more info out there. It's not like a five line piece on a major test cricketer which can obviously be expanded. If they're deemed to be stubs by others then fair enough, but i'm putting in everything I have. I'll let someone else make that judgement.

We're half way through S, having started with A, so I suppose there's another 40 or so to do. I daren't look to be honest.

Any help or input with these from others in the project would be greatly appreciated of course. There were bugger all articles about Bangladeshi first class cricketers before he started this and then roped me in so he deserves a lot of thanks for his efforts. There wouldn't be anything without him - I certainly wouldn't be doing them off my own bat. Obviously they'll improve with more input from others over time. That's the way Wikipedia works. Any guidance he gets regarding layouts and style will be greatly appreciated, he's putting in the best effort he can.

As I mentioned on the project talk page the names aren't put into the 'bangladesh cricketers cat' because I wasn't sure which way round to do their names. There's a LOT of mohammeds and others have 'first' names which don't seem to be used by cricket archive. I think I'm doing my bit doing this lot to be honest. Essentially Blythed's in charge of this one so he's the go to guy.

Thanks again. Nick mallory 05:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand about the infoboxes I use. They are from your user page which you directed me to. I used infobox recent cricketer when the player has played first and list A cricket and infobox old cricketer when they have only played either first or List A cricket. I do not understand why the infoboxes I used were wrong because I always believed they were the right ones to use. By accident I have quoted the players as being from Bangledesh not bangladesh. This is just a mistake on my part as I always used to think that this is the way it was spelt. If you see with any other players that I create in which I make this mistake by all means change it. Sorry

PS. Nick could you tell me if I have used the wrong infobox as I always believed that I was using the right infobox as the two infoboxes I use were both from your user page as you directed me to. Could you please just try and clear it up and tell me if I have used the wrong infobox. I will inform wikiproject cricket on their discussionm page about the infoboxes iswell. Thanks 02blythed 11:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saifullah_Khan_%28_cricketer%29 02blythed 10:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajib_Miah 02blythed 10:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajidul_Islam 02blythed 10:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajjad_Kadir 02blythed 11:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saju_Datta 02blythed 11:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. I hope any issues with the boxes etc got sorted. Nick mallory 00:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes the issues with the boxes have been sorted. User AllynJ gave me the correct wikicode for the infoboxes I should use and I have used them with the articles that you have just added prose to. 02blythed 10:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Good. Nick mallory 10:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiful_Islam_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 10:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajal_Chowdhury 02blythed 10:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajjadul_Haque 02blythed 10:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Ahmed 02blythed 10:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Chakrabarty 02blythed 10:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjid_Sami02blythed 11:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqib_Chowdhury 02blythed 11:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqib_Razzak 02blythed 11:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqlain_Sajib 02blythed 11:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selim_Shahid 02blythed 11:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Done these.

02blythed 10:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafaq_Al_Zabir 02blythed 10:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafiul_Alam02blythed 10:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafiul_Islam02blythed 10:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidul_Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahin_Ahmed 02blythed 10:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahin_Hossain02blythed 10:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahnawaz_Kabir02blythed 11:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahriar_Alam 02blythed 11:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

done.

02blythed 11:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahriar_Habib 02blythed 10:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahriar_Hasan02blythed 10:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahriar_Kabir_%28_cricketer%2902blythed 10:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamimul_Haque

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamimul_Islam02blythed 11:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamsur_Rahman_%28_cricketer%29 02blythed 11:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharafudoulla02blythed 11:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Done the above. Nick mallory 12:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_%28_cricketer%2902blythed 11:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharifullah_%28_cricketer%29 02blythed 11:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello nick. The two above articles have been deleted by NawlinWiki which is really annoying. I will re create those two articles tomorrow. 02blythed 12:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't delete them. I corrected the titles (both of which had extra spaces in them) and deleted the incorrect titles. See, for example, Sharif (cricketer). NawlinWiki 12:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• And the same for the other two (above) which had the extra spacing in the title. NawlinWiki 12:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

In that case I apologise - sorry! I guess you've told the original author of them? Nick mallory 12:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• • I'll let him know. There are several more that I'm also fixing. NawlinWiki 12:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. English isn't his strong point, which is why I write the prose. Do the links still work then? Nick mallory 12:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• I've updated the incoming pages. NawlinWiki 12:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

ok thanks. Sorry for flying off the handle again, it was wrong of me. Nick mallory 12:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Just writing to remind you that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharifullah_%28cricketer%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_%28cricketer%29

have not had prose added to them. Just writing because you might forget about them as the page is blanked and that they may be deleted by the time you or I realise about them. Thanks 02blythed 11:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaukat_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 11:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherhan_Sharif02blythed 11:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddiqur_Rahman02blythed 11:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirajullah_Khadim02blythed 11:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohel_Hossain 02blythed 11:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohel_Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohel_Rana 02blythed 12:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhrawadi_Shuvo 02blythed 12:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suja_Irfan02blythed 12:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Nick mallory 04:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumon_Barua 02blythed 10:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumon_Saha02blythed 10:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamim_Bashir 02blythed 11:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taposh_Ghosh02blythed 11:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqrimul_Hadi02blythed 11:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tareque_Ahmed 02blythed 11:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarikul_Hasan 02blythed 11:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariqul_Hassan 02blythed 11:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariqul_Islam 02blythed 11:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashriqul_Islam 02blythed 11:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Only 9 more articles to do and then we have created all the bangladeshi cricketers. This will probably be completed tomorrow 02blythed 11:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well done, great effort Blythed. Nick mallory 03:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towhid_Hossain 02blythed 10:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wascoroni_Ahmed 02blythed 10:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waseluddin_Ahmed 02blythed 10:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasin_Arafat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Hossain 02blythed 11:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziaul_Haque 02blythed 11:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziaur_Rahman_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 11:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziaur_Rashid 02blythed 11:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Nick Mallory we have now completed all the Bangladeshi cricketers. Thanks for all your help. I will start to go through all the english cricketers probably on Monday. 02blythed 11:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. good work Blythed. Nick mallory 03:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about doing all of the english cricketers that did not already have an article because as with the Bangladeshi cricketers also the ones that have not had articles created for them already may not ever if I do not create them. So I think that obviously it will be a very long term project but I believe that it would be a job worth doing and to make sure that all cricketers that are notable get an article on them that they deserve as with the Bangledeshi cricketers. Please tell me what you think of the idea. Thanks. 02blythed 10:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a lot of cricketers! Would you just start with A and work through to Z? Nick mallory 10:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

That would be my intention. I understand that it would be alot of cricketers but I do not think that the cricketers that have not be done already would be done otherwise so I feel that I must gp through and create them. If you still want to help me just say the word and I will start to create them now. 02blythed 10:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to help you. Obviously anyone who's played for England will have an article already, and lots of county players do too so make sure you don't do any duplicates. Only choose players who've appeared for one of the eighteen counties as a lot on the cricket archive site aren't actually county players.

Okay I will make sure that they have played for one of the eighteen counties. I will start creating some articles. 02blythed 10:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

ok. There are a lot of players from the eighteenth century too, try just to pick county players from the 20th century, eg 19 something. Nick mallory 10:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Abberley 02blythed 10:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Abbott 02blythed 11:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Abbott_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 11:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Abel_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 11:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Nick mallory 11:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nick before I go can you please add the new cricketers to the english cricketers category. I am not trying to have a go. I just thought that it would be better than them just being in their respective county categories only. Thanks. 02blythed 11:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

ok. Nick mallory 12:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Please note that on the AFD for the Amarillo Bible Church which you noted in the RFA as having been closed too hastily by the RFA nominee, the article was previously speedied by an admin [6], and 10 Pound Hammer merely was doing Wikignoming by closing the AFD. An AFD is pointless for a speedily deleted article. You might reconsider your vote in the RFA if it was based in large part on this AFD. Thanks. Edison 04:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, but my point still stands. It's just one of many examples. Nick mallory 05:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Because you're using Cricinfo for all the stats, and cricinfo has the term "bat". Speedboy Salesman 14:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

No, we use cricket archive as well, and the Wikiproject cricket consensus, as you've been told on numerous occasions, is to use 'batsman'. Nick mallory 05:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

		My RFA
		User:TenPoundHammer and his romp of Wikipedia-editing otters thank you for participating in Hammer's failed request for adminship, and for the helpful tips given to Hammer for his and his otters' next run at gaining the key. Also, Hammer has talked to the otters, and from now on they promise not to leave fish guts and clamshells on the Articles for Deletion pages anymore. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 17:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Abel 02blythed 10:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Abell 02blythed 11:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Abercrombie 02blythed 11:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ablack 02blythed 11:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I have decided to leave the Earl of Aboyne which is next in the list and any other subsequent Earl or lord because I would need to find out there offical title e.g 1st earl of whatever. This would be because even though they played first class cricket this is not the only think that they have done and there noblity duties i.e being a lord or earl would be more important probably. Also it would take along time to do and I would not know where to start looking for there offical title. 02blythed 11:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Make a note of any you miss out. Maybe mention them at the Wikicricket project if you're stuck on who they are or if they might have an article already. This particular Earl of Aboyne played well before County Cricket was established in its modern first class sense so I wouldn't worry about it. This is the man [[7]] and I've added some cricket info to it. Don't bother with a box, there's really no point. I think you'll find English peers and nobility who've played cricket will already have an article on wikipedia, even if it doesn't mention their cricket very much. Nick mallory 11:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Abrahams 02blythed 11:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Nick mallory 03:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for trying to help but it's no use. This page will possibly be deleted though I thank you. If there was only some way of not getting it deleted. VitasV 31/7/2007

Copy it onto your own computer (not wiki user space) before it goes so the work isn't lost. Maybe there's a place for it on Outpost Gallifrey? Or you could put it on a blogspot blog and invite people to contribute to it. Nick mallory 08:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Acfield 02blythed 11:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_A%27Court 02blythed 11:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Adams_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 12:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Adams 02blythed 12:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Adams_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 12:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Mark Nicholas could use an info box for his career records by the way. Nick mallory 14:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Adams 02blythed 12:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 12:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Adcock 02blythed 12:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Adderley_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 12:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Addis 02blythed 12:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Done.

Hello Nick. I have added an infobox to Mark Nicolas with a picture that was there previously. Also I do not mean to have a go but you have not added the cricketers to the english cricketers category. Thanks. 02blythed 13:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

fair enough, i'll do it later.

Could you use the following as your introductory sentence =

(name of player) was a first class cricketer.

that way the English cricketer category is already done to remind me.

Will do. 02blythed 13:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

ok, i'll take the category off now, otherwise it looks like i'm one too!

Can you do a box for Raja Maharaj Singh. Cricket archive page here [8]. He's the oldest player to play first class cricket. Well done with the Mark Nicolas box, it looks good. Nick mallory 07:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I have now done the infobox on Raja Maharaj singh 02blythed 13:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, quite a remarkable little story that one. Nick mallory 13:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I could not believe how old he was when he made his debut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Addison 02blythed 13:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Afford 02blythed 14:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Airey 02blythed 14:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The above are done. Nick mallory 03:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nick. The below players all played cricket during both the 1800s and 1900s do I create an article for them or not. http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/27/27425/27425.html

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/27/27430/27430.html

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/12/12612/12612.html 02blythed 14:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. The way to check is to look at their cricket archive page and click on 'Lists of matches and more detailed statistics' and then 'first class matches played by ...' If that has any County Championship matches then include them. If it doesn't have County Championship matches then don't bother. There are quite a lot of players who played before the Championship started, or only appeared in university or other matches, and it's more important to do the proper county players first - there's hundreds of them to do as you know!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Agar 02blythed 11:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ainscough 02blythed 11:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Ainsworth

The three cricket players above are the ones that I asked you about above when they played during the 1800s and 1900s. I took your advice and as they had all played in the county championship I created articles for them. 02blythed 11:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Good man, bios done for all three of them. Nick mallory 13:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. We all have experiences of being foxed by CI :) Tintin 07:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Definitely DYK material IMHO --Dweller 11:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL! I totally agree! It was so badly written, and unsourced that it became my very first AfD proposal....and I did a pretty good internet search for content...and came up with zip! I'm glad you said what I was thinking...;) – Dreadstar † 08:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, well spotted. It's a real place, so it should have an article, just not an article that claims it has famous bull fights and inspired the Palace of Versailles. As jokes go it was a good one. You should put a note on the AfD saying keep after vandalism removed or something. Thanks for the message. Nick mallory 08:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if you can remove an AfD from a list. I'll put it back just in case. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?)} 00:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought. I can see where he was coming from in removing it, but it was an AfD which you, quite rightly, closed. Well done. Nick mallory 00:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aitchison_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 13:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Akers-Douglas 02blythed 13:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Alderson 02blythed 14:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Alderwick 02blythed 14:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aldridge_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 14:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I was watching 'French Twist' tonight and noticed that a cricket bat, wielded by a woman, makes an appearance as a weapon of self defence. Nick mallory 14:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen this film whereas it is very very famous in France ! Now I want to see it and i'm going to rent it :) ...

I've recently seen a South African "horror" film (whereas even a child could'nt be afraid with that) called 'Snake Island' [9] where tourists are (obviously) on an island and are (obviously) attacked by thousands of snakes... And to protect himself against snakes, one of the caracters use a complete cricketer's equipment (bat, gloves, pad, helmet, etc...)... And it works ! OrangeKnight 14:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

That's funny. Cricket stuff does crop up in the strangest places. Does someone use a cricket bat in The Big Lebowski?

Indeed, I have lists (correct up to at least 2005 in all cases) of first-class cricketers from Derbyshire, Durham, Essex, Glamorgan, Kent and Lancashire (and all first-class debutants of 2007 and 2006) have been covered. If you want me to leave a semi-regular message asking for help on certain cricketers, particularly those in English county cricket, a list which I shall hopefully visit on various occasions, just give me a heads-up. Bobo. 20:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have put a message on bobo192's talk page in which I have said that I will leave all the new english cricketers articles that I create onto his talk page and yours to so you can go through the prose together. 02blythed 21:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

I saw your comment, and thought I'd refer you to my reply to W. Marsh's similar concerns at his talk page. To be clear, my motivating concern wasn't "self-importance", but fear -- perhaps you're aware that a small, very vocal group of admins (many of them, a bit grumpy) has been very concerned about applying BLP quite stringently and actively. This has led to a fair amount of controversy, including the ArbCom case called "Badlydrawnjeff". I am highly averse to unneeded controversies, so I am very careful to treat BLP disputes with soft gloves. I fully confess I might be wrong, but "self-importance" couldn't be further from my mind. I'm a "scaredy cat". :) Best wishes, Xoloz 04:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I appreciate it was done in good faith and apologise for suggesting you were being pretentious. I still think the BLP issue is getting very silly and will end up strangling wikipedia but I know it's not your fault. I would guess that you'd agree with me that the idea of a well known sportsman sueing wikipedia because a commonly used 'nickname' appears in an obscure article is entirely absurd but I fully understand why you decided to use kid gloves in this instance. Nick mallory 04:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

"An article on Atheists who don't believe in evolution would be interesting though."

Thanks, that gave me a giggle when I read it. ^Ariel♥Gold 05:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Alexander_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 13:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehan_Alikhan 02blythed 13:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Alison 02blythed 13:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Allbrook 02blythed 13:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Allchurch 02blythed 14:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Done.

Thank you for your note on my talk page. I thought the articles could do with some expansion and I have attempted to cover as many of these as possible. I'm just slowly working backwards through his created article list and am hoping to continue this as I go on - maybe even covering a few of the Bangladeshi cricketers at the same time, let's see! Bobo. 14:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Blythed loves the info boxes but doesn't feel his prose is up to the mark so any help there is gratefully accepted. Nick mallory 13:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concern. I understand the time issue. But please do think about the first diff. It could almost fairly qualify for speedy deletion. Instead I nominated it for deletion, but not because I hadn't heard of it. Because it provided no context. It contained a rephrasing of the title, and a compilation of data that was unexplained. When the necessary improvements were made, I closed the debate. I did not opt to add more information because I myself had no information to give. I understand I can clean it up - i might just do that, when I finish my conversation with Mister.Manticore. I hope you understand, I nominated the article because, without context, it was a piece of text that was not understandable, and was not appropriate for Wikipedia as of the first edit. While I may have needed to wait longer before nomination, I don't think that I was unfairly trigger happy considering the content of the first edit. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, it obviously seems to you that no, the lesson hasn't been learnt. I will say that is has, because I understand the CSD now. i more carefully analyse new pages. And I did analyse this new page. I cannot be expected to analyse future edits of articles that quite clearly meet the criteria for deletion, though, and while I may have needed to wait longer, that can be said of any violative article, that could possibly be improved in a period as long as a year or two. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't care about this article in particular, I'm just thinking about your desire for adminship. This is how you closed your first RfA

Ok. I'm now thinking of closing the rfa, per WP:SNOW. All of your advice has been good, and I hope that perhaps my second Rfa will pass. To sum up, what I have gathered from the critisism is that I need to more intensely study New pages before making a judgement on what tag to place, if any at all. Would that adequately sum up most of the opposes? Anonymous Dissident Utter 23:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

What's changed? You might not think you were trigger happy, the point is other people, the people who'll be deciding whether you'd make a good admin, did think that and obviously still do. You can keep acting the same way, and trying to defend it, or just slow down a bit and think twice and help people less experienced than you improve their articles rather than slapping them for deletion. You want your second RfA to pass right? It won't if you haven't taken on board what everyone told you. It's up to you isn't it? As for 'clean up' I really meant removing the AfD tag from the article, you nominated it, you withdrew it, you could remove the AfD tag. Nick mallory 00:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Adminship is a row of buttons. I do not have an overwhelming wanting of them, I just feel I could use them for the communities benefit. I have only withdrawn an AFD once or twice before. A review of my nominations will show most were deleted. I don't feel I move overly fast, else none of my AFD's would end up with a deletion closure. And I don't know if it is fair to say that this was a blatant mistake on my part - surely the reasoning behind the nomination is fairly easy to perceive. This particular nomination resulted in a keep, after good improvements, by you and another editor, were made while I was asleep. I was happily surprised when i found these great improvements, improvements i did not expect. I then closed the debate, content to do so. I'm not sure a great deal should be made of this - I might have made an error in not waiting for a bit, but, despite my statement on my last RFA, I cannot fairly strive to be perfect - even the most policy-wizened and skillful bureaucrats are not infallible. I hope you understand. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 01:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. No-one's expecting perfection, just a willingness to learn and take the advice of others. Good luck in the future. Bye. Nick mallory 03:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

And I really do feel as though I have taken something from the experience - a bit more patience, perhaps, in some cases. thanks again, Nick. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 04:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Allen_%28cricketer%29 02blythed 12:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Allen 02blythed 12:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Allen 02blythed 12:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Done Nick mallory 01:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get back to you. I just noticed your question on reading the deletion debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fictional interracial couples, which has just been closed.

You asked:

If there is no such thing as 'race', e.g. if 'race' can't be based on 'observable characteristics', then how can there be 'racial discimination'?

There are certainly observable characteristics. This doesn't speak to the validity of any concept of race based on those characteristics, however. I live in London among people many of whom do not resemble me physically, for instance, but the similarities are so striking that the differences seem inconsequential.

As a white Englishman I am far more likely to socialize with another well educated person than an uneducated or unintelligent white English person, because we would have more in common, and it is from that group of people that a likely marriage would arise. I am also more likely to encounter social divisions according to religion than color of skin, hair type and whatnot. --Tony Sidaway 03:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, it was good of you to bother. It was only idle speculation on my part, I wasn't trying to imply anything about your beliefs or mine. Nick mallory 05:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you like the expression "crackpot idea"? So much that you feel the need to use it multiple times while talking about vitamin c megadosage therapy? Just because you got the crackpot idea that vitamin c megadosing is a crackpot idea, it's most certainly NOT shared by mainstream doctors, at least not in the case of cancer/hiv patients who are often prescribed the vitamin c therapy. Anonywiki 22:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

• It's worth mentioning that the derogatory tone of your comments at the AfD are unhelpful and discourteous. Not only do you subjectively denigrate other editors' opinions, I note your comments on the WP:FOOTBALL talk pages are also thinly-veiled snobbery at perceived American ignorance of soccer. I myself am English and, whilst that does not elevate me above anyone else as an authority on any given subject, I was embarrassed by the suggestion of ignorance in your posting. You clearly feel strongly about the deletion criteria and I applaud your passion in defending the article however I think you need to look at how you address people in these debates to avoid patronising and antagonistic commentary.Dick G 06:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Several of the other contributors were American, and raised the issue of Minor League Baseball compared to English lower leagues, I was addressing their points, for example "The player in question played on a second teer team (minor league for my fellow Americans). Here an American minor league baseball players article was deleted. So by the precedent established, this needs to go too.." You seem to be under the impression that yours was the only other voice in the discussion, which is clearly not true. As for being unhelpful and discourteous you have failed to engage with any of the points I have raised, whereas I have done my best to answer your arguments for deletion at some length. Pray explain your argument, for example, that information which appears elsewhere shouldn't appear on Wikipedia. Feel free to report me if you find my tone unhelpful. The community will decide who is holding the correct position on this AfD.

I did say you were being ignorant of the Wikipedia notability standards because you clearly were. You didn't know the notability standards for professional sportsmen and didn't know that this issue has been well debated and that a clear consensus has emerged. Ignorant isn't a term of abuse here, it's merely a statement of fact. You said "at 30 years old without any major exposure in the professional leagues or even junior representative status at international level he is not notable enough for a dedicated article." That is clearly just wrong - even one appearance at senior level is enough for inclusion. Did you actually do any research on this at all before posting your arguments? I'm happy to engage in robust debate on any subject and have never resorted to complaining about people's tone on their talk pages but if that's the way you like to do things then it's fine with me. Nick mallory 06:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• If a 'clear consensus has emerged' then why do the WP:Notability and WP:Football talk pages continue to debate the criteria and have failed to come up with a definitive notability guideline? The suggestion is still that, despite full professional status, the overarching concept of notability verified in external sources should lead. Whilst this debate remains active, I am entitled to say that the guidelines do not overtly say 'every English professional player should have their own article' because they simply do not. In saying that, I am not being ignorant of the guidelines - I am highlighting their vulnerability. In terms of my argument that 'something that exists elsewhere should not be in Wikipedia', that is not what I was getting at. My suggestion was that we do not need to record in an almanac fashion every single statistic where the criteria is notability and that professional status was only a facet of notability (if the general concept is overarching) not notability in itself. Finally what is and what isn't 'abuse' or derogatory is up to the subject to determine. My comment was that just becuase you are happy to enter into 'robust' debate does not mean that it is right in all cases. It is common social courtesy to treat an addresee with respect and deference and not impose on them the same standards as you set yourself. My purpose in raising this in your talk page was as constructive criticism only. To use your dismissive tack, 'take it as you will' Dick G 07:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to have a constructive debate and agree that there's no reason to get personal so I apologise for any offence caused by my manner.

I think you'll find that the debate about the notability of football players regards players well down the league structure - the Conference for example - but that the notability of Premiership, Championship and League One and Two players is absolutely clear and agreed upon. Paul Macari clearly meets those guidelines. The guidelines do not say 'every English professional player' should have their own article, but they do say that every player who's appeared in a fully professional sporting league is entitled to their own article. "I hate throwing WP guidelines in people's faces" but there is no further debate on an individual case by case basis, every first class cricketer or major league baseball player or whatever is automatically entitled to inclusion. If you don't agree with that situation, then fine, try to get the policy changed, but that's what the situation is now. I don't understand why you think this makes wikipedia 'vulnerable'. Why shouldn't an encyclopedia have articles for everyone who meets its inclusion standards? The beauty of wikipedia is that it's not limited by paper.

I am attempting to treat your rather fluid arguments with respect by the way, but feel in no way obligated to treat them or you with 'deference' anymore than I'd expect you to defer to me. In the course of one post on my talk page you called me, and my arguments, "unhelpful" and "discourteous", said that I "subjectively denigrate" other people's opinions, accused me of "thinly-veiled snobbery" and said my commentary was "patronising and antagonistic". Not much deference to me there, and nor should there be, or do you want to "impose on (me) the same standards as you set yourself"?

Nick mallory 07:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• At that stage I was fighting fire with fire although your comments above are noted. Moving away from that, I'm thinking it's probably a good idea that I wasn't involved in the debate when the criteria got laid down in the first place. People have different viewpoints on notability I guess, and that's really what this comes down to - leaving aside everything else. You want to be able to look every player up on Wikipedia, I'd rather pick up the Football Yearbook. Enjoy the rest of your day in any case, Dick G 07:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's shake hands on this one then. I've enjoyed our discussion! There are plenty of people who think the rules for professional sportsmen should be tightened and if you feel strongly about it then I'm sure there's scope for them to be discussed again. I would doubt they'd get changed at this point though, as they're well established - at least by Wikipedia standards - and this place is full of men who like sport. People do disagree on what constitutes notability, which is why there are guidelines to settle such debates. Nick mallory 07:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have to go on a long wikibreak. There are projects in the outside world that need to be addressed. This will take a long time for it to be sorted out. I do not expect it to be resolved until at least the New Year but realistically I do not expect the project to be complete until Febuary or March if not potentially later. In fact I do not have an exact time scale all I know is that it will take a long time to complete. I do fully intend to come back to wikipedia and carry on with the English cricketers project. Bye Nick see you when I come back. 02blythed 11:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It's been a pleasure working with you Blythed, you've done a lot of good work. Good luck with your work in real life! Nick mallory 13:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It has been a pleasure working with you to Nick 02blythed 14:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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Never mind, you're doing a better job anyways. Arman Aziz 10:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Well it shouldn't have come up for AfD at all, but at least it's a better article now. He actually did pretty well to score thirty odd out of ninety against Imran, Wasim and Qadir. Nick mallory 10:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be good if you could add some references to that article. --TotesBoats 10:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Apart from the links to his figures on Cricket Archive and Cricinfo which are clearly given? Look at every other cricketers article on Wikipedia. Every score doesn't have to be notated. You got this one wrong, just admitting it and closing the AfD would be more helpful. Nick mallory 10:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't strike me as a great choice of article name... Smith played six of his eight first-class games for Lancashire, including both his first and his last. There's also another Yorkshire cricketer by the same name. Any thoughts on maybe moving to something like John Smith (Lancashire and Yorkshire cricketer)? Loganberry (Talk) 23:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't chose the name, it was a red link I filled in on the Yorkshire list. I'm happy for you to change it to whatever you think is best. I moved it to the title you suggested. Nick mallory 01:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks; I think it's a better name. As I've found with Worcs, it's sometimes slightly dangerous taking county-list redlink names at face value; what I do is put the name into Cricinfo and see if there are any duplicates, then do the same on CricketArchive and see whether the county given in the redlink is correct. Despite that extra effort, in the long run it often saves quite a bit of time. =:) Loganberry (Talk) 21:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I have re-deleted this article as it was a repost of deleted content. The BLP concerns were still there, and the only difference was the addition of <ref> tags. Please do not repost it again, thanks. ^demon^{[omg plz]} 13:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

What are you doing? I'd never even seen the article before it was deleted and I didn't copy anything from any previous wikipedia article. There are literally hundreds of stories about the car incident on the web, and the rest of her accomplishments. BLP doesn't mean nothing bad can be written about a living person, it means it has to be sourced. That article was sourced and you've deleted it. You're completely wrong about this. The ref tags are the sources. This is insane Nick mallory 13:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

What do you think of this article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bel_Forest_Academy] Pat^{Politics rule!} 00:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[

If someone nominated it for AfD it'd probably get deleted as not notable. If you want to save it, then you need to find a couple of sources pronto and good luck with that. If you want to get it deleted then it would certainly be deleted in its current state at AfD. It's a tiny school and I can't see much to save it. Nick mallory 01:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Will Scott, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Grassfire 04:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Managers of English Football Clubs are automatically notable. Preston North End is one of the founding members of the English Football League. Perhaps you should stick to tagging articles you know something about or do some research before doing so? Put it up for AfD right now if you prefer but you'd save yourself embarrassment by removing the speedy tag yourself. Nick mallory 04:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I will do my very best to live up to the trust that has been placed in me, and I hope to earn yours one day as well. Dreadstar † 09:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I wish you well in the future and I'm sure you'll act in the appropriate manner. Well done and good luck. Nick mallory 12:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i am aware that it may have not been the best choice to put it up for AfD, that is why i withdrew. I agree that i should have done some research on the topic, but from the article it did not appear that he was decorated, and that is why i wrote it like that (i am aware what decorated means), but i guess i was wrong, i was unfamiliar with that specific war hero, but now i am not, guess i learned something from it! Happy Editing! Tiptoety 13:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Nick mallory 15:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Archive 3! Thank you for voicing your opinion in my RfA, which passed today with a unanimous 79/0/0 tally. It feels great to be appreciated, and I will try my best to meet everyone's expectations. If you have any advice or tips, feel free to pass them along, as I am sure that I will need them! Cheers, hmwith talk 21:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't be accusatory... "Care to name some, then?" I mean, really. Go look at the article talkpage, where they've been listed since September 18th!! Or see this. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 12:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

So add the info to the article yourself then. Why do you expect other people to do it? AfD is for articles which shouldn't exist, not for articles which need improvement. If you're complaining that not every minister is named then what's stopping you naming them yourself? Wouldn't that help wikipedia more than nominating a clearly notable subject for deletion?Nick mallory 14:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to be rude and accusatory. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 14:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Look at the AfD, everyone who commented on it was making exactly the same points to you. It might behold you to withdraw the Afd, help fix the article and acknowledge when you're clearly in the wrong on something. Nick mallory 00:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You're still being rude. Just stop. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 07:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm being accurate. Look at the AfD, you know the one which just closed as a 'snow', whose argument was right, yours or mine? You still haven't answered my question, why didn't you improve the article yourself rather than waste everyone's time at AfD? Nick mallory 10:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on BAXI, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD A7.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

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I didn't see a claim to notability immediately. After about 2 seconds, I went and changed it to a prod, since I don't think notability is automatically inherited from a football team (but I could see how someone might). Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 06:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you read the bit about being a major local employer and the largest employee owned manufacturing firm in Britain? What about this [10] link? It's a major company, even though it's currently going through some hard times [11]. The group as a whole employs over 5,000 people and has a turnover of over 800 million pounds a year. Nick mallory 06:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Nick - I got your message. I beg to differ with you. Wikipedia is not a list, per WP:NOT#DIR. That page is a list, in violation of this policy, therefore I tagged it with AFD. Once the vote has concluded it will be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoshVorlon (talk • contribs) 14:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The AfD seems to suggest you're alone in that opinion. I was just trying to spare you the embarrassment. Nick mallory 00:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I tagged and stubified and added cats to some of the player's bios you started. If you had a source for them, maybe the team website or a football compendium. Dates & places of birth would be good too, just so we know whether they're alive or not, etc. Thanks. Carlossuarez46 06:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on saving the Thomas M. Jacobs article from deletion. I really appreciated it. Chris 12:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. It was a daft nomination.Nick mallory 23:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello nick. While I had some free time I had a look on wiki and saw that one of the cricketers that we created Morshed Hossain has been nominated for speedy deletion. If possible could you keep an eye on it to make sure that it does not get deleted as I have to sort things out in the real life. I will put a note on wikiproject cricket. thanks p.s hopefully not to long until I can edit again 02blythed 09:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, good to hear from you. The speedy deletion tag soon got taken off, I wouldn't worry about the cricketers getting deleted, most admins know they're notable now. Nick mallory 11:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's very understanding of you. It's nothing personal and I'm sure you'll pass next time. Good luck. Nick mallory 00:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I will use your comments to improve my contributions to wikipedia. Tiptoety 00:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• A draft userspace article has been created. Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 8. Pdelongchamp 21:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy to contribute, keep me posted on similar stuff if you like. Nick mallory 23:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• Hey Nick, I'm actually the author. You can read my opinions of the film, which I think you may have missed, in the first comment of the DRV. Thanks for contributing. Pdelongchamp 23:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, well when you go around asking people for comments on an article you have an interest in you can't always rely on those comments being in your favour, can you? That film is trash from start to finish. Nick mallory 02:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Nick, I believe you may be failing to assume good faith here and I would invite you, once again, to please read the first comment in the DRV for my opinions on the film. Thank you. Pdelongchamp 04:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Look, you spammed my talk page for a comment on the article, I duly gave my opinion on it there. The film is a piece of garbage which no serious media has given any attention to, other than to ridicule. It shouldn't be on Wikipedia. I don't think you're going to change my mind here. I don't care about your opinion, I'm giving you mine, just as you don't care about my opinion and are trying to get me to accept yours. Let me put it in simple terms for you. I disagree with you. I think you are wrong. The community will decide, as ever. Nick mallory 10:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for supporting my successful rfa which closed with 58 supports. If i am honest i am rather humbled by the unanimous support and i hope to live up to everyones expectations. If you ever need any help, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks again. Woodym555 13:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

no problem sunshine Nick mallory 11:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:List of massacres during the Second Intifada Looking for outside input into a long-term controversy over the naming and scope of this list. As you participated in the afd, please help us out. Thanks. <<-armon->> 11:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it will help the John Herbert Babington and Eric George Bailey and Awang anak Rawang articles if you added additional references. Wolvereness 01:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

They are referenced. If you want to add more references yourself then feel free to do so. If you're my boss now then I didn't get the memo. What do you think the London Gazette is? Did you bother clicking the internet link? Nick mallory 01:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed unreferenced tags from some of your articles as they have both the interent references and reference to the London Gazette, which is a journal of record for British decorations (and about as good a reference as you can get!). I've also done some categorising on some of your articles. Good to see someone improving WP's coverage of these gallant men. Best wishes, DuncanHill 01:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks mate, I appreciate it. I'm going to work my way through all the George Cross awards over the next few days with a bit of luck. I can only imagine Wolvereness didn't know what the London Gazette is. Nick mallory 01:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I actually didn't see the note about the London Gazette. Take a look at how it was changed, it'll help in the future. I also didn't mean to be a 'boss' or anything, I'm trying to help around. Wolvereness 02:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

That's ok, don't worry about it, I know you meant well. Nick mallory 08:36, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Afternoon Nick - just noticed you creating lots of these George Cross pages. The list has a massive lack of GC bios, as evidenced by the redlinks, something which I'm trying to get round to doing something about. If you're looking for pages to find information on/reference to, I find gc-database.co.uk a good source of basic information, and the Times/Telegraph/Guardian/Independent has lots of past obituaries on many of them. RHB - Talk 14:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The articles i've done have references but most don't have categories yet. Nick mallory (talk) 01:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Arthur Douglas Merriman requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Hammer1980·^talk 18:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, sorry this one got deleted. I am working on a new version of it in sandbox. I am working on giving it a little context and references. Please don't let this put you off!! If you need any help, just ask. Woodym555 (talk) 19:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

How can a winner of George Cross get deleted? That's ridiculous. Clearly the nominator and the person who deleted it have no idea what they're doing. Nick mallory (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. The wiki you cite does not seem to be a reliable source, please source from an more authoritative site. Also if you wouldn't mind including a bit more info in the stubs then you will have fewer problems with deletions - see WP:HOLE. These are interesting people with fascinating stories to tell, so let's look to tell the story, eh? Thanks, Guy (Help!) 23:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Look pal, you look for a source as well. Don't patronise me, eh? If you want to put any of them up for deletion feel free. Now leave me alone. Nick mallory (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Quite frankly I am getting tired of this. Read the history of WHY it was deleted. Not notability, lack of content. I have reverted your comment on my talk page. One line is not a Wiki article. The current article by Woodym555 is a much better article. Matter CLOSED. Hammer1980·^talk 23:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The matter is not closed just because you say it is when you take it upon yourself to write on my talk page although of course your use of block capitals is very impressive. A winner of the George Cross is automatically notable by wikipedia standards. It was wrong to delete this article. The reference to the London Gazette was proof of its validity. If certain editors don't know what the London Gazette is then their ignorance of the paper of record, and their laziness in not clicking the link to look it up, is hardly my fault. Nick mallory (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nick, I suggest you calm down a bit please and stop attacking other editors. That site is not a reliable source because it clearly states at the top of that page that the information is taken off Wikipedia. That is a circular reference and is not allowed. I suggest that you use the database that I have used on the Merriman article. I understand your frustration at the deletion but you need to calm down. Some people may not know how notable the GC is in terms of Honours and decorations. Guy was only trying to help improve your article's chances of survival. Simply adding in one sentence is not enough. I think WP:HOLE explains why. Woodym555 (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Woody, take a chill pill man, calm down dude etc. A George Cross winner is obviously notable. If someone who doesn't know what a George Cross is can't be bothered to click the wiki link in the article to find out then that's not my fault. If you want to find more sources for each person then you add them. Nick mallory (talk) 23:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Whilst I appreciate your efforts, your attitude to other Wikipedians leaves a lot to be desired. Having said that nothing frustrated me more than having experienced users not helping me to get stuff right in the first place. One or two did and it was much appreciated and I have stayed in contact with them.

So, I have wikified where I can some (approx 12) of your articles. I have corrected the reference formats, the style and added tags where necessary so it is clear what is needed to complete the articles by other editors. I suggest you format your new articles in the style of this article Barbara Jane Harrison and re-edit, your previous edits. Some of them are could well get marked up for deletion which would be a shame. If you are struggling for a reliable source for an article, I suggest you don't submit it until you can find one. Hope this helps. Hammer1980·^talk 00:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add more sources, wikify articles better or improve their format then you're free to do so. Wikipedia articles are not created perfectly first time. If you think any of these should be deleted then put them up for AfD, quite how winners of the George Cross referenced to the London Gazette could be thought non notable is beyond me, but you obviously know best. If you want to write articles about the rest of the George Cross winners then that would save me the trouble but I somehow suspect that you won't actually do that, preferring to badger me here. Nick mallory (talk) 01:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I am actually trying to help you to make sure your hard work doesn't get wiped. I notice you complianed to others, with some justification, that they were not prepared to help. I have tried to help and I am now accused of badgering you. If editing wikipedia with George Cross winners is 'trouble' then I am left to wonder why you are bothering. Hammer1980·^talk 01:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nick - may I add tho this? I'm full of admiratoin for your speed and efficiency in creating articles for GC winners. However it would help if you could do a little more work to wikify them from the beginning, perhaps by having a template from which you could work? If this included a version of the following it would help a lot:

{{UK-mil-bio-stub}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Duncan, Charles Alfred}} [[Category:British George Cross recipients]] [[Category:British military personnel of World War II]] [[Category:1920 births]] [[Category:1943 deaths]]

This will add some appropriate categories and a references section, and may protect your articles a little from speedy deletion notices. In the meantime I will try and help by tidying the articles you have already made. Kim Dent-Brown ^{(Talk to me)} 10:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I can really understand why you may be getting a bit wikistressed - it's a feeling I know well myself! I think Hammer made a mistake when he tagged one of your articles for speedy deletion - but it wasn't him who actually deleted the article, and it has now been restored. He's been wikyfying some of your other articles, which to me looks like him making amends for his mistake, so, as someone who has already had a grumble at him, could I ask that you try to "let it lie" for a bit? I think you are doing good and important work on Wikipedia by adding the GC articles, please don't get too distracted by problems with other editors. Anyway - keep up all your good work, don't get downhearted, and if I can help in any way do please ask. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 01:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, I did not make a mistake. I proposed a one line article. Not notability. I was trying to help to make sure the rest don't suffer from some of the vultures that are lurking. I am not trying to make amends for anything as I am genuinely intersted in the subject. I am just sick to death of getting attitude when it is not necessary. Hammer1980·^talk 01:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not wikistressed Duncan, don't worry. I think a reference to the publication date in the London Gazette is enough to show notability, I also include the best internet link I can find. I don't think I have to explain what the George Cross is in every article when it's wikilinked but if Hammer wants to add an explanation of what it is in every piece then he's welcome to do it. Some of these pieces are stubs, but that's all the information I can find at the moment. Being a stub isn't reason for deletion either. Nick mallory (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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