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Michael Goodyear, Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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2014

Hi, I saw your linking together of the outcrossing and allogamy pages. Those terms are certainly synonyms, but the outcrossing page is almost exclusively about a particular technique. I don't know what page title would be considered appropriate, perhaps it wouldn't change, but rather than merging the pages, I think it would be good to disambiguate that sense of the term. Perhaps it could start with a hatnote that says something like "This page is about a technique used in animal and plant breeding. For naturally occurring outcrossing see allogamy". Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:06, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good point - actually I also included Self-incompatibility - they all overlap. Another solution would be an overarching page with hats to various subtopics.--Michael Goodyear (talk) 03:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What would you call such a page? (My imagination seems to be at a low ebb today.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another good question and one which I anticipated you would ask. as you may have gathered too many people create free standing pages without any thought of where they are positioned in the overall hierarchy of a discipline. In contrast I look for unifying concepts and hierarchical order. So I have gone back to the top, Biology and am working my way down, and have been dismayed by the mess. So potential parent pages might include sexual reproduction and fertilisation. This is where WP falls down compared to a planned work like EB--Michael Goodyear (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more with this view. There are far too many biology articles about individual terms which can only be understood in the context of the overall topic in which the terms are used. I've tried before to get some of them merged, with no success. Part of the problem seems to be that editors dislike linking to a section, so the norm has become "one link, one article", regardless of the duplication of explanation this causes. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well I will have a go at this particular glitch, but the issue in general should be taken upstairs. Otherwise we have a Tower of Babel--Michael Goodyear (talk) 02:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but that's the point of the comparison with the EB: there is no "upstairs" here, just editors. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not totally convinced of that, but have no direct experience. Another project to explore. 'Editor' is a misnomer here anyway, which suggests an executive position, users might be better. The first level are the project and task forces, then one can contact administrators, and there are fora for general topics. Anyway this extreme democracy or laissez-faire, promotes anarchy! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So I've made some changes at Outcrossing, to reduce the overlap with Allogamy. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2016

Globe-trotting over? I've done some work on updating to the APG IV system, including using "Asphodelaceae" rather than "Xanthorrhoeaceae" (hooray!) as APG IV does, in anticipation of its conservation in 2017. I haven't properly dealt with articles like Asparagales, so do please have a look when you have time. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To revise all relevant pages would be Herculean. I think each person should address their own area of experise. I have staerted by revising the APG page, which you started doing. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not quite as "Herculean" as some of the earlier revisions, but still quite a large task. Unfortunately, there seem very few active plant editors around at present.

The APG poster in Cole & Hilger (2016) is nice. I created the cladogram from the APG IV paper; did you check whether the poster is exactly the same? There are some uncertainties noted in the paper.

I'm currently working on the list of orders and families, so we don't duplicate work. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It looks ok to me and they have been a reliable source to date - but no I did not check every single line! As we get further into this some of these issues can be tackled in more detail. The revisions fall into two general groups - those pages refering to APG to ensure they reference the latest version, and the taxonomic pages affected by recent changes. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looked at APG, APG IV, Angiosperms, Monocots and now working through monocot orders --Michael Goodyear (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As you've probably seen, I've added the short and full lists to the APG IV system article in the style of the APG III system one. I need to check them and the cladogram – very easy to make a mistake (indeed there's a typo in line 2 of the abstract of the APG IV paper!). Peter coxhead (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I missed that! I did wonder if the cladograms could be simplified. The published literature often breaks them up into sections. Even where there are no changes, eg Dioscoreales it is important to document why. I added the list in Word format to the bibliography as suggested by Byng. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks, I knew it was in the works and have been keeping a close eye on the article - see the Talk page. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 15:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the "distinguished British botanist" (who even looks distinguished), your close eye, and your ambition for Virginia Woolf! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is however a downside, as I just discovered. Dozens of people trying to rewrite the article and fighting over it with edits and reverts. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 12:45, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for the nomination! Ah, yes, Virginia - that's a challenging task :) --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 12:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I want to thank you for the work you did on Woolf's page. It pained me to see how disorganized it was, but every time I tried something, there were always issue. Is Woolf your only interested? also Vita Sackville-West needs work according to me. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elisa, I felt the same way. I had brought Virginia's mother, Julia Stephen up to GA, and on Virginia's birthday this year, and found it embarrassing, particularly since German WP had it as a GA. However cleaning it up is an enormous task. And no it is not my only interest! But I am interested in Bloomsbury, as I suspect you are. Interestingly you are the second person who has contacted me about Vita recently, but I fear that is a task for another day! And thank you, for your enormous contribution on women, here.

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on Eichmann in Jerusalem

Before:

*[http://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/video-lectures/arendt-eichmann Hannah Arendt, Adolf Eichmann, and how Evil Isn't Banal] online lecture by Dr. [[Yaacov Lozowick]] former Director of the [[Yad Vashem]] Archives

Update (User:Alexf decided he did not want me to fix linkrot, and reverted this):

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv824mDn5X0<!-- http://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/video-lectures/arendt-eichmann link-rot--> Hannah Arendt, Adolf Eichmann, and how Evil Isn't Banal] by [[Yaacov Lozowick]], former Director of the [[Yad Vashem]] Archives, video lecture, [[youtube]]<!-- https://www.youtube.com/user/YadVashem -->

from Hannah Arendt:

*{{cite AV media|last= Lozowick|first=Yaacov|authorlink=Yaacov Lozowick|title=Hannah Arendt, Adolf Eichmann, and how Evil Isn't Banal|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv824mDn5X0|medium=video|date=Apr 5, 2011|website=The Holocaust Resource Center|publisher=[[Yad Vashem]]. The World Holocaust Remembrance Center|location=Jerusalem|ref=harv}}

is a better citation. would you update Eichmann in Jerusalem with this version?

69.181.23.220 (talk) 22:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I cant imagine why - fixed. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 22:58, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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It was all in the File description line and comment - file edited to clarify this --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 21:33, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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As stated in file description - file edited to clarify this --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 21:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Precious

Four years!

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Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Liebe Gerda, you are truly amazing. Thank you for the belated introduction and for sharing memories. No, I did not know about the episode you mention in 2012. Schöne Grüße, Michael

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March

... with thanks from QAI

That's excellent, thank you so much for all you put in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! It is starting to look like Spring! So I can add photography to all your other talents :) Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 22:59, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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We have a HUGE problem on the page Habsburg Monarchy. It seems to be a page about Habsburg control of Hungary and Croatia. As far as I know Austria was Habsburg Monarchy since 1282, way before Hungary and Croatia.

But worst of all, Habsburg Empire redirects to that page. So the empire of Charles V and Austria-Hungary do not currently count as Habsburg Empires, when literally all books and encyclopedias define such empires as Habsburg empire.

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Thanks for the information. I will take a look at it. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 02:24, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that I solved the issue above with another user. Barjimoa (talk) 10:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Thanks for your input on WS and WP regarding Crassulaceae and I somewhat agree with your approach. I am trying to match it with WS, but this taxonomy and classification largely. I have a major query regarding the tribal classification of Sempervivoideae. Telephieae is circumscribed in Caryophyllaceae, by Rabeler & Bittrich 1993. Suprageneric nomenclature in the Caryophyllaceae. PDF, as Telephieae DC., Prodr. 3: 366. (1828) with the type genus Telephium L. (1753). It is therefore unavailable for use in Crassulaceae, as a tribe in Sempervivoideae, as cited by yourself as Telephiae 't Hart, Ohba and Thied ed ined. I have a few ideas where this error may have come from, but can not read Russian and Plants of the World is very odd. I assume it is a clade based upon Sedum telephium Hope you can help. Andyboorman (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I’m on the road and don’t have access to usual resources. Finding invalid names is not uncommon and people like James Reveal were expert in tracking them down. Then it comes down to priority. See for instance Ohba’s discussion as to how Hyelotelphium came about. You are right, the tribe was named from the clade which in turn was named from S. telephium. I will look into it further when I’m back. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 02:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct Reveal (2012) notes that Telephieae is equivalent to Caryophyllaceae -- Andyboorman (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it originated with the use by Hart (1995) of Telephiinae as a subtribe, and consequently elevated to the tribe Telephieae by Thiede and Eggli (2007). --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 02:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it which case Telephieae Thiede & Eggli (2007) is nom. illeg. hom. Also IPNI lodge this tribe as Telephieae Bartl., Beitr. Bot. [Bartling & H. L. Wendland] 2: 157 (1825), with Telephium L. (1753) noted under Molluginaceae, but this genus has most definitely been transferred to Corrigioleae Caryophyllaceae! However, you should be OK on WP, as you can use the clade name in its place. WS is not happy with clade names when applied below the level of order preferring a strictly Linnean approach. Telephieae Thiede & Eggli (2007) could be available, but it would need an application for nom. cons. before hand.

In addition, you use Aeonieae Thiede ined., as opposed to Aeonieae Thiede ex Reveal, Phytoneuron 2012-37: 215. (2012), is this correctable error on WP? Andyboorman (talk) 08:34, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the difference between WS and WP, but citing an authoritative source on WP is not an error, otherwise one veers into OR. At the moment, Kubitzky's The Families and Genera of Vascular Plants is like the bible in systematics, and Thiede and Eggli's treatment of Crassulaceae is the most recent complete treatment of the family (previously it was Berger 1930), and that is what is cited on WP. I have not found a reliable source to date that directly corrects it, but when I get home, I will take a closer look. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 14:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can find, all subsequent authors have either simply accepted the Thiede & Eggli nomenclature, or ignored any reference to nomenclature, since it is not necessarily a priority for phylogeneticists. For the reasons given above I have not corrected the "errors" but added a note on the issues you raise, including Caryophyllaceae. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 03:14, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I have made an attempt to follow Kubitzky on WS. All will be fine until I get to Telephieae and as WS is primarily a taxonomic database we hit a problem with ined. I will edit Sedeae to more or less follow Kubitzky and those that have followed. I will omit the clades, but add a note explaining they are being worked on - it looks like the outcome could be an eventual single Sedum s.l. for this tribe. I will use his definition of Umbiliceae Meisn. and get rid of Umbilicinae and Sedinae as subtribes on WS. To be consistent Telephieae ('t Hart) Ohba and Thiede ined. will then have to be added as a tribe with a note that taxonomically this definition is provisional only. That is the best I can do and hope fellow WS editors are not too annoyed. Seem OK with you? Andyboorman (talk) 08:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have decided to omit Telephieae ('t Hart) Ohba and Thiede ined. for now and incorporate the genera in Umbiliceae Meisn. (Reveal, 2012). Do have a look WS Crassulaceae and comment here and/or on WS Pump. I will leave it for now. Andyboorman (talk) 14:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Opinions are sharply divided on the status of Sedum. There is not really enough evidence to support either s.s. or s.l.. However the genus is being progressively reduced. At present species outside of Sedeae are being reallocated, but within Sedeae it is still an artificial paraphyletic genus. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 15:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The Schuettpelz et al. (2018) Taxon article doi:10.12705/673.1 and the subsequent reply by Christenhusz & Chase (2018) doi:10.12705/673.2 make entertaining reading for those enjoying academic spats, but leave us with a problem here. Instinctively, I would prefer to follow Christenhusz & Chase's "lumped" system for article titles and taxoboxes, since it causes least changes to article titles based on early systems of classification. However, the only taxonomic database that has a fully consistent system down to the level of species, which is necessary here to make the species names and articles consistent, is the Checklist of Ferns and Lycophytes of the World which uses PPG I. Plants of the World Online currently doesn't use any consistent system, and as of 22 November 2019, has errors like listing Sphenomeris as an accepted genus but then placing all its species in Odontosoria. It's definitely the case that fern classification is a total mess! I regret starting on trying to sort out our articles, because I just keep finding more problems. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've attempted to summarize the argument over the number of fern genera at Pteridophyte Phylogeny Group#Number of genera. There's a lot more that could be said, but this may be enough for now given that these are primary sources. Feel free to add/edit, as always. It will be interesting to see which way PoWO goes. Peter coxhead (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is part of a larger issue that effects classification. The phylogeny may be clear but translating it into taxonomic revision is more philosophical. Actually it is less of a mess than when we had to learn Cronquist and Thorne and Dahlgren etc etc! Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 13:37, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem important to refer to both the PPG I and the Christenhusz & Chase systems in articles. If it's of any use to you, I've drawn up a comparison table for my own use at User:Peter coxhead/Work/PPG#Comparison. The √ marks in the end column show the (few) articles I've checked/changed so far. Thyrsopteris is an example of the minimum I think is needed in a stub article. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Michael, I'm Dan. I'm quite impressed by your list of botanical GAs. Your Coronariae is up at GAN, and I'll be happy to review it, if we can find another reviewer to spotcheck the Latin sources (I can spotcheck the German ones), and if you're amenable to adding some text to the article. Some reviewers would look at this article and say that it's too list-y for GAN ... I don't agree, I think the most impressive thing about the article is the sourcing, and a GA is perfectly acceptable scaffolding for that sourcing. OTOH, there's not a lot of text below the lead that isn't list-y. It's not a fatal flaw, but it's a concern, for me anyway. There are several options for what to add ... what do you think of adding some images and text descriptions that will help the general reader get up to speed on what species we're talking about here? I think most readers will need some help understanding what Liliales covers. - Dank (push to talk) 23:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Michael, I'm looking for recommendations on books to buy as sources for stub- and start-class articles. I see you've been citing The Flowering Plants Handbook (Byng) and Plants of the World (Christenhusz et al.) in some of your genus articles. Can you recommend those (with the caveat that the first one is pre-APG IV)? What do you think of the latest two volumes (14 and 15) of The Families and Genera of Vascular Plants (Kubitzki)? - Dank (push to talk) 17:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Thanks ... volumes 14 and 15 ordered (and vol 7, so that I have more or less complete coverage of the lamiids). I'll try to snag any of the books on superasterids as soon as the prices come down. - Dank (push to talk) 16:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not necessarily a good and up to date taxonomic source (scholarly articles are) but one of the most comprehensive sources in almost every other aspect of taxa. Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 13:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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See William T. Stearn Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 13:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely to see. I only asked because I stumbled across User:Michael Goodyear/Projects and only saw GAs. Anyways, I'm sure FAC would welcome any of your future submissions with open arms. Best - Aza24 (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I should update! --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 20:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Six years!

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The validity of the species identification for File:Agkistrodon piscivorus piscivorus dark.JPG has been questioned. Please see the comments in the edit history of Agkistrodon piscivorus piscivorus and in the edit history of Commons:File:Agkistrodon piscivorus piscivorus dark.JPG. It is suggested that the photo is actually a specimen of Nerodia erythrogaster (or at least some Nerodia – perhaps Nerodia fasciata or Nerodia sipedon). Those species are frequently confused. See, for example, File:Watersnake.jpg. The head of the snake is unfortunately obscured in your photo. The identification of the snake would be easier if the head was more visible. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:30, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My identification was based on the illustrated guide provided by the Forest staff and by a staff member. As you can see, the Forest fauna includes species of both Nerodia and Agkistrodon. As far as the head goes, I wasn’t inclined to get any closer! Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 14:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mr. Goodyear, i need some help to find specimen of this flower. So far Google said it is Gentian. Diameter of flower in focus is around 8-9 mm (milimeters), that is fully grown. It is almost all blue, just leafs at corner got some part of red-violet. But that middle is nice white middle-which i can find of Google Gentians. regards, --Petar Milošević (talk) 20:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that you uploaded this to Wikipedia Commons, without any other information. You really should not do that unless you are sure of your information. I am not sure what you mean by Gentian? Gentian is a herbal remedy derived from the roots of plants of the genus Gentiana. This is a very large genus, with hundreds of species, so even if it is a species of Gentiana, that is not very helpful. Many of the species have blue flowers, it is true, but not all. One cannot simply identify a plant from a view of its flowers. One needs far more information, including where and when it it was found. One needs all the plant parts. However your picture suggests a pentamerous flower, so it could be a member of this genus.

Take a look at the information on Gentiana in Plants of the World Online. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 22:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is under question mark, till i find specimen. After i change name. Found in Ljubljana, Europe in June. Gentiana is "google choice" but i dont seem that middle (white) is similar to them. Will try whith that links. Thanx. --Petar Milošević (talk) 11:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you can see that uploading an unidentified photo is not really helping Wikipedia. Do you have other photos of this plant? You need to add as much information as you can - where was it found, what sort of habitat, date you saw it etc. I think you are referring to the style when you say "that middle (white)". In Gentiana, the stigma is usually two lobed as in this specimen of Gentiana acaulis, while yours appears to have 5. With so many species, you would need a genus key to accurately identify a single specimen. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 02:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some other photos from distance, if any help. Also aksed at botanic garden. --Petar Milošević (talk) 13:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Commelina is similar, leafs, but stigma not. They grow on grass, beside train station, sunny spot. 1st photo is pictures end of May, and other today. --Petar Milošević (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We found it, probably is Anchusa. Anchusa officinalis maybe ? --Petar Milošević (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for going to all that trouble. That seems a better fit. Unless you are absolutely sure of the species, it would be better to just label it as Anchusa sp. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 18:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael, I'd love to have one or two more etymological sources for species epithets that I can pull from. One of the most popular among plant editors (with 40 hits) is Chuck Griffith's Dictionary of Botanical Epithets. But I'm not sure if I could get it through WP:GAN or WP:FLC ... do you know if that, or anything Griffith has written, has ever been vetted by any publisher? If not, do you have any recommendations? - Dank (push to talk) 04:56, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very interesting question. I'm not sure that there is anything wrong with this source, but I agree it would not be considered an authoritative source. At first I thought he meant he got the information from the NARGS - but having perused their site, I think he meant lists of the terms, not their meanings. In that case his work is substandard without proper citations.

There are many reliable sources. The Gold Standard is Stearn's Botanical Latin : history, grammar, syntax, terminology and vocabulary.

Have a look at my list at User:Michael_Goodyear/Botany_resources#Plant_names_and_epithets - and yes as you will see I have used Griffith for convenience --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 17:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Botanical Latin is perfect, just what I needed. Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 19:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you know ... who would I contact to get a file with all of POWO's 350k accepted species (just the scientific names)? I'd want it sorted on species epithet, ideally, but I can do the sorting and filtering myself if I can get the list. It will be much less tedious if I can compare that list with my sources, rather than typing each species epithet into POWO to see if I can get a hit. - Dank (push to talk) 15:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not aware of anything like that, but I will look into it. What are you hoping to do with such a list? Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 12:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks kindly. I'm open to suggestions, but the plan is for the new list series to be nothing more than a reasonable expansion of List of descriptive plant species epithets (A–H) and I–Z. In the previous lists, I've covered all the seed plant families listed at POWO and all the genera that had etymologies listed in my sources; now it's time to do something more with species, I think. I agree 100% that pulling more from Botanical Latin is a reasonable next step; so far, it looks like this may approximately double the total number of rows of species epithets. I'm also looking for pages in the new series to have fewer entries per page than the other lists (I'm having trouble attracting reviewers), which is probably necessary anyway since I want to pull more images from Commons. Thoughts? - Dank (push to talk) 13:44, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, to answer your question, the plan is to use a list of species epithets from POWO in the same way I've used POWO in the other lists: I'd eliminate any epithet from the first column in my tables that's not currently accepted at POWO. - Dank (push to talk) 13:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The contact address is bi@kew.org Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 23:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much. - Dank (push to talk) 23:10, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that contact email on their website so they might wonder where I got it ... is it okay if I say I got this from you? Feel free to say no, of course. - Dank (push to talk) 14:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is under the Contacts tab! --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 14:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, they gave me a url with archives that should give me everything I need. - Dank (push to talk) 18:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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January songs

in friendship

Happy new year! - Today I show yesterday's snow (if you click on "songs") and today's music in memory of Jerome Kohl, a friend --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you! 2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Seven years!

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Hi, in 2016 you developed the articles Hippeastreae and Hippeastrinae. They've become rather out-of-date since then; according to APweb, only 6 genera remain in Hippeastreae (see Hippeastreae#Genera), although two more are retained by PoWO – somewhat oddly perhaps, since Sprekelia is given only one species Sprekelia formosissima, and Rhodolirium only two. I've done a bit of work on the article, but it needs more to make it clear that much of the taxonomy is now historical. So if you have any time, you might like to look at it. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nature of the beast I'm afraid - continual recircumscription. I recall you persuading me to take Hippeastrum to GA - thanks! I ended up looking at Amaryllidoideae as a whole, which was horribly out of date, and here we are again! I have not looked at it since - there are so many other problem pages - most recently tackled Crocus which was also woeful, and still needs a lot of work. Alan Meerow and his colleagues have continued to be been very active in this area. I'm adding some recent phylogeny articles. Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 21:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A close read of Garcia et al 2019, reveals that a large number of changes need to be made to many WP pages. Generally I think our policy has been to deal with only one level of subdivision in taxonomy where daughter pages exist for those subdivisions. Therefore discussion of genera is best left to the subtribe pages. I think the best solution is what you have done and treat the genera as a historical note, and the problem devolves to the subtribes. Therefore I removed the tag from Hippeastrae after updating it.--Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 03:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tribe and subtribes, and some genera (Traubiinae) have now been brought up to date (at least taxonomically) as per Garcia et al 2019, as revised 2020. I have stuck with their classification, since it is data based, presumably APWeb and PoWO will catch up! I will get around to the specific genera of Hippeastrinae later. --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 20:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Genus pages all updated - but that leaves the tricky question as to what to do with the legacy pages of extinguished genera - for now i have just out them in past tense, with an internal redirection to new placement. QEF --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 20:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's always difficult to know what to do with legacy genera. My general approach (but probably not followed consistently) has been to convert stubs or near stubs to redirects and put longer articles into past tense. Anyway, definitely an improvement – thanks for your work as always! Peter coxhead (talk) 10:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I will add a note on the project template to that effect --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 19:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's a heads-up on this work-in-progress on the alismatid monocots, in case you want to set me on the right path! As is often the case with lists, the idea is to condense and illustrate the material, to make it less overwhelming for, say, younger readers. I've been relying heavily on Plants of the World so far, and comparing that with our existing articles on monocot families. Any thoughts would be appreciated. - Dank (push to talk) 12:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this - once I figured out where you had put it, I linked the Alismatid monocots page to it. Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 22:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry about that. I'll take that as a vote of confidence (either in me or in the process that will whip it into shape). - Dank (push to talk) 22:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Women in Red Apr 2023, Vol 9, Iss 4, Nos 251, 252, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266 Online events: New: Gender studies | Health | Dance | Alphabet run S & T | Books by women Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman | See also: Women in Red is supporting Every Book Its Reader through our Books by women event. Tip of the month: When writing about a book, check WP:NBOOK for notability, then see MOS:NOVEL, WP:NONFICTION or WP:POETRYSTANDARDS for guidance. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red May 2023, Vol 9, Iss 5, Nos 251, 252, 267, 268, 269, 270 Online events: New: Alphabet run U, V, W | Disability | Women in Education | CEE women Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman | See also: Wikimedia CEE Spring 2023/CEE Women - Wikimedia contest with postcards and prizes The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref - May 15th to June 5th Tip of the month: Use the Google translate app and camera on your phone to translate text from an article or book Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red June 2023, Vol 9, Iss 6, Nos 251, 252, 271, 272, 273 Online events: New: Alphabet run X, Y & Z | LGBTQ+ women | Wiki Loves Pride | Women in Music Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Women in Green: June 2023 GA Editathon event page Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride/2023 global campaign The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref - May 15th to June 5th Tip of the month: Looking for new red links? Keep an eye out for interesting and notable friends, family, or associates of your last article subject, and re-examine group photos for other women who may still need an article. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Template:Tetrarchy has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Izno (talk) 02:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red June 2023, Vol 9, Iss 7, Nos 251, 252, 274, 275, 276 Online events: New: Women in Red's 8th anniversary | Alphabet run A & B | Sports Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Tip of the month: Look out for contributors interested in writing about women and invite them to join Women in Red Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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	Women in Red 8th Anniversary
	In July 2015 around 15.5% of the English Wikipedia's biographies were about women. As of July 2023, 19.61% of the English Wikipedia's biographies are about women. That's a lot of biographies created in the effort to close the gender gap. Happy 8th Anniversary! Join us for some virtual cake and add comments or memories and please keep on editing to close the gap!

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Women in Red August 2023, Vol 9, Iss 8, Nos 251, 252, 277, 278, 279, 280 Online events: New: Alphabet run C & D | Indigenous women | Film and stage | Geofocus: Arab League Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Wikimania 2023 will be held in Singapore, 16–19 August, and will be facilitated by the affiliates in the ESEAP (East/South East/Asia/Pacific) region. Tip of the month: Read the essay Determining Native American and Indigenous Canadian identities to understand the criteria for status as Native American or Indigenous Canadian. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red September 2023, Vol 9, Iss 9, Nos 251, 252, 281, 282, 283 Online events: New: Alphabet run E & F | Women writers & their works | Geofocus: Celtic nations Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Tip of the month: The books she wrote might be notable, too; learn 5 quick tips about about book articles. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red October 2023, Vol 9, Iss 10, Nos 251, 252, 284, 285, 286 Online events: New: Alphabet run G & H | Women in STEM | Geofocus: Sub-Saharan Africa Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also Women in Green's "Around the World in 31 Days" Good Article editathon Tip of the month: When creating an article, check to see if there is an entry in the sister project Wikidata. If your subject is listed, the Wikidata information can be useful Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red November 2023, Vol 9, Iss 11, Nos 251, 252, 287, 288, 289 Online events: New: Alphabet run I & J | Geofocus: Indian subcontinent | Women in Politics Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also Wikipedia Asian Month November Contest Tip of the month: When translating articles from another language Wikipedia, don't forget to include attribution in your first edit summary. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red December 2023, Vol 9, Iss 12, Nos 251, 252, 290, 291, 292 Online events: New: Alphabet run K & L | Women who died in 2023 | Honoured Women Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Tip of the month: Avoid copyright problems by rewriting in your own words. You can check any article or draft with Earwig's copyvio detector. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red | January 2024, Volume 10, Issue 1, Numbers 291, 293, 294, 295, 296 Online events: New: Education (year-long initiative) | Alphabet run M & N | Temperance women Continuing: #1day1woman | Women who died in 2023 Announcement In 2024 Women in Red also has a one biography a week challenge as part of the #1day1woman initiative! Tip of the month: Check out the new navigation on our Women in Red Project home page. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Like 2019, see above -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Nine years!

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story · music · places

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red | February 2024, Volume 10, Issue 2, Numbers 293, 294, 297, 298 Online events: New: Alphabet run O & P | Black women Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcement Please let other wikiprojects know about our February Black women event. Tip of the month: AllAfrica can now be searched on the ProQuest tab at the WP Library. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Hi Michael. William T. Stearn has been at WP:Today's featured article before, but all FAs are eligible to run twice (after 5 years or more), and I'd like to get this up at TFA again, this time on April 16, if that's okay with you. The article appears to be in good shape, as always. - Dank (push to talk) 00:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, one of the sentences got separated from its citation at some point. It's the sentence "The second task imposed on him at this time involved the RHS role in maintaining revision of the Code of Botanical Nomenclature (see Botanical taxonomy).", which appears in a different spot in this version. - Dank (push to talk) 00:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can't see why not Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 02:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Thank you today for the article, introduced (in 2017) as "about a distinguished British botanist. This is the most complete biography of this scientist available to date."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red | March 2024, Volume 10, Issue 3, Numbers 293, 294, 299, 300, 301 Online events: New: Alphabet run Q & R | Art+Feminism | Find Her Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements Celebrate Women – All content gender gap events, in every language Wikipedia, in March 2024 Francophone Women★ Writers Fortnight 2024 Feminism and Folklore 2024 Writing Contest Tip of the month: When creating a new article, check various spellings, including birth name, married names and pseudonyms, to be sure an article doesn't already exist. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red | April 2024, Volume 10, Issue 4, Numbers 293, 294, 302, 303, 304 Online events: New: Alphabet run S & T | Gender studies | Health Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements The second round of "One biography a week" begins in April as part of #1day1woman. Tip of the month: If you run into technical problems, you might find help on our Tools and technical support page Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Women in Red | May 2024, Volume 10, Issue 5, Numbers 293, 294, 305, 306, 307 Online events: New: Press women | Alphabet run U, V & W | Central and Eastern Europe Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Wikimedia CEE Spring 2024 - contest with certificates of participation and prizes The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref - May 15th to June 5th Tip of the month: Use open-access references wherever possible, but a paywalled reliable source is better than none, particularly for biographies of living people. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Women in Red | June 2024, Volume 10, Issue 6, Numbers 293, 294, 308, 309, 310 Online events: New: LGBTQ+ women | Wiki Loves Pride | Women in Music | Alphabet run X, Y & Z Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Women in Green Good Article Edit-a-thon June 2024 - Going Back in Time The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref - May 15th to June 5th Tip of the month: Find a Grave is NOT a reliable source (as it is user-generated content). It can be used to look for biographical clues. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Restored and added to two pages. Probably not copywright Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉ 22:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red | July 2024, Volume 10, Issue 7, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 312, 313 Online events: New: Translation contest 2024 | Science Fiction and Fantasy | Women in Sports Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Wiki Loves Sport 2024 22 July - 22 September Tip of the month: A foreign language biography does not guarantee notability for English Wikipedia. Check the guidelines before you start. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Women in Red | August 2024, Volume 10, Issue 8, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 313, 314, 315 Online events: New: | Women in film and stage | Indigenous women Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) | Translation contest 2024 (July, August, September) | Women in Sports (July, August) Announcements from other communities TBD Tip of the month: Check your athlete's notability before researching and creating her bio. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Women in Red | September 2024, Volume 10, Issue 9, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 316, 317 Online events: New: Women writers & their works | Geofocus: Islands A - H Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) | Translation contest 2024 (Jul, Aug, Sep) Announcements from other communities August 30 is the tenth anniversary of WikiProject Women writers! Tip of the month: Try her pen name when searching for sources, and remember to add her to any of these that apply: List of pen names, List of literary initials, and Category:Pseudonymous women writers. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Women in Red | October 2024, Volume 10, Issue 10, Numbers 293, 294, 318, 319, 320 Online events: New: Women in STEM | Geofocus: Islands I-P | Women in archaeology Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities October is Women in Green's "Around the World in 31 Days" Good Article Edit-a-thon Tip of the month: Unsure how to expand a stub article? Take a look at this guidance Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Women in Red | November 2024, Vol 10, Issue 11, Nos 293, 294, 321, 322, 323 Online events: New: Asian women | Geofocus: Islands Q-Z | Women in engineering Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Annual Wikipedia Asian Month (WAM) is an online campaign designed to boost Asian content on Wikipedia each November. Unreferenced articles backlog drive. These Wikiproject clean-up lists offer a start to November's backlog drive, e.g. Women's History and Women writers Tip of the month: Looking for an image? Sometimes you can find openly licensed images at search.creativecommons.org/ Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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