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Note that this template will need changing after tomorrow, when either the Netherlands or the UAE will finish fifth in the ICC Trophy and therefore gain ODI status. Loganberry (Talk) 19:07, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Change now made. Loganberry (Talk) 00:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should we really have the West Indian teams (Barbados, Jamaica, Guyana and Trinidad & Tobago) in this template? As far as cricket is concerned, they are domestic teams, not national teams. —This unsigned comment is by Andrew nixon (talk • contribs) .

It's not completely clear-cut, but I tend to agree. Anyone else have an opinion? Stephen Turner (Talk) 11:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should be aiming to include only teams listed at List of International Cricket Council members - perhaps we should make that clear in the name / title of the template? -- ALoan (Talk) 12:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So that would rule out Wales as well. Any others? Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the answer is to have a seperate template for "Other National Teams", including the now defunct teams like East Africa, East & Central Africa and West Africa, in addition to Wales, Northern Ireland (who competed in the 1998 Commonwealth Games), perhaps with the West Indian nations who competed in those games too, and also for those nations that have membership of regional bodies, but not of the ICC, such as New Caledonia (members of the East-Asia Pacific Cricket Council), Belarus, Estonia, Russia, etc... (all members of the ECC). Also any ICC prospective members such as Burma/Myanmar, who probably deserve an article anyway, as they have hosted first class cricket in the past. Andrew nixon 12:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about a separate template — is it useful when browsing Welsh cricket team to get a box of non-ICC members? Maybe the answer is to separate them out into a new row at the bottom of the existing box. Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe have 5 lists in the box, Full Members, ODI Status Teams, Associate Members, Affiliate Members, Non-MembersAndrew nixon 13:25, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds best to me. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've split it into ICC members and non-members as a first step. I'm dubious as to whether the distinction between Associate Members and Affiliate Members is really important enough to the general reader to be distinguished in the template, but we can do that later if we want. Stephen Turner (Talk) 17:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Andrew Nixon insist on keeping a double standard, especially when he had questioned it in the first place? If the Leeward Islands and Windward Islands cannot be on the template because they are not "national" teams then why on earth can the West Indies, Ireland, East Africa, East and Central Africa and West Africa be on the table? For that matter, how can England and Scotland be on the table when for all practical matters (such as citizenship) there should only be 1 team (a United Kingdom team)? The simple facts are that someone decided the template should be called "National" teams because that was what all the cricket teams were originally being called on Wikipedia (e.g. Ireland national team, England national team), before somebody realized how confusing that would be (how to define "national" for example) and just started calling them by their traditional names: Ireland cricket team, England cricket team and so on. Now for whatever reason, it's alright to have Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana on the table even though those teams will never be able to become members of ICC (and are thus not able to qualify as "national" teams for the purposes of ICC competitions such as Test matches) unless the West Indies team is disbanded. Jamaica, Barbados, T&T and Guyana are first class "domestic" teams, just like Queensland, New South Wales and the other Australian states as Andrew rightly pointed out in the beginning. But so are the Leewards and Windwards and they should either be included on the basis that they are equal to Jamaica, Barbados, T&T and Guyana as first-class teams (albeit domestic) or those latter four teams should be removed from the table as being domestic teams and not national teams. If it were argued that the Leewards and Windwards are themselves made up of "national" teams and that those teams should be included in their place, then that argument would be incorrect as far as the Leewards are concerned, since it is composed of Anguilla, Antigua, Montserrat, Nevis, St. Kitts, St. Maarten (associate) and the Combined Virgin Islands (an associate; itself composed of the British and US Virgin Islands). Right away it's apparent that Nevis cannot be classified as a "national" team since it is not a "nation", likewise St.Kitts cannot be considered a fully national team since it only represent half of the nation. Also the Combined Virgin Islands is a bi-national team (if one wants to consider the US Virgin Islands to be a separate nation from the USA itself) and so cannot be a "national" team. As teams cannot be both domestic and national then I will remove the four West Indian domestic teams and have a footnote about them. Also in keeping with this template being for national teams, I will also remove the Wales team and note it in the same footnote (since one country cannot have two separate national teams).72.27.167.94 01:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added four new affiliate members (see [1]) who are currently redlinks. Stephen Turner (Talk) 07:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not redlinks any more! Andrew nixon 12:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if Norfolk Island should be included as an ICC Non-Member team in the template. At first I assumed that the national team for Norfolk Island was Australia, but having come across the Norfolk Island Cricket Association on the internet and seeing a few references to Norfolk Island aiming for affiliate membership it now seems as though Norfolk Island isn't associated with Cricket Australia and might thus be a non-member with regards to the ICC. Before attempting to add it to the template as a non-member or a footnote, I was wondering if anyone had any more information regarding Norfolk Island.72.27.88.43 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More information here--Kpaspery (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should this even be on the page? It no longer exists and as a national cricket team it has been succeeded by Zimbabwe. If it does not exist, it can't be considered a non-member. Is there any evidence that as Rhodesia it was a member of ICC (the page only mentions it playing in SA domestic cricket), meaning it could go in the former member section? Spike 'em (talk) 08:18, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And to clarify some of my thoughts: Former members should include teams that no longer exist, but only if they were actually part of ICC. Non-members should just be current / stagnant countries that are not members of the ICC. Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, so to my mind is covered by Zimbabwe's entry. Spike 'em (talk) 08:35, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The template for national football teams has a "Defunct" section which if adopted for this template Rhodesia would belong in, along with others such as Federated Malay States cricket team and Straits Settlements cricket team. Perhaps the solution is to get rid of the former members section and have non-members and defunct. Non members being countries that do exist but aren't ICC members, irrespective of past ICC membership status and defunct being those that no longer exist as countries or groups of countries (eg. East Africa cricket team). Andrew nixon (talk) 09:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good solution.Spike 'em (talk) 09:43, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]