Template talk:Kim family (North Korea)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved to Template:Kim dynasty (North Korea), matching the article Kim dynasty (North Korea). And as a reminder, template names rarely matter a great deal. I've proposed a move of that article, but it's no big deal if the templates don't move with it. --BDD (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Family of Kim Jong-il → Template:Kim family – This template is not centered around Kim Jong-il, it's about the family as a whole. Charles Essie (talk) 20:22, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Alternate rename to Template:Kim Communist Dynasty family -- 65.94.76.3 (talk) 00:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment up until 2013, Kim family (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was not about the North Korean ruling family. According to Kim (Korean surname), this is the most common surname in Korea, so there are many families that someone might create a tree for, so just "Kim family" is insufficiently precise or disambiguous. Many Kims are notable. -- 65.94.76.3 (talk) 00:57, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment see Template talk:Kim Jong-il family tree and talk:Kim family for related move requests -- 65.94.76.3 (talk) 00:57, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Template talk:Kim Jong-il family tree#Requested move. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:14, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Category:Kim Il-sung family was recently moved to Category:Kim family, which I find a bit confusing. This category title is hardly descriptive, as Kim is the most common surname in Korea, and the family of Kim Il-sung is hardly the most notable. What about 16th century Korean nobles? What about wealthy business tycoons named Kim? Calling the whole thing "Kim family" is a bit counter-productive in my opinion. "Kim Il-sung family" uses the name of Kim Il-sung (the first president within the successing line of three) as a descriptor to firmly show which Kim family it is about. --benlisquare_T•C•E 00:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• New proposal, Template:Kim Dynasty (North Korea). Charles Essie (talk) 20:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we really need the "(North Korea)" disambiguation? Seems unnecessary to me as there is no other Kim Dynasty. --Stefan2 (talk) 01:31, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, that makes sense. Charles Essie (talk) 17:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • New proposal is much better than the original proposal. -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • With the rename of the main article to Kim dynasty (North Korea), the template can safely be called Template:Kim dynasty (North Korea) to match the name of the main article. -- 76.65.128.112 (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Support New proposal, Template:Kim Dynasty (North Korea). There are many Kims. The set of Dynasties is not well defined. "Kim" is not well recognized as the well recognized "Kim of North Korea". The "North Korea" is very helpful. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.