Talk:Wyndham New Yorker Hotel

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Review: August 17, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Wyndham New Yorker Hotel appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the New Yorker Hotel (pictured) once had the largest private power plant in the United States?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wyndham New Yorker Hotel.

Not the Best...

"Different proposals were offered for the use of the building, and in 1975 it was purchased by the Unification Church, who converted the 30th floor into individual apartments for the True Children. Under new management and following extensive renovation, the New Yorker Hotel finally re-opened its doors as a hotel on 1 June 1994. Since 2000 it has been part of the Ramada franchise. The hotel is currently undergoing another phase of major renovations as evidenced by a large stuffed Polar Bear holding a sign that reads "Please Bear Wittus"."

Is this best that anyone can do? What happened that the Unification Church passed it to the Ramada Group? Is a polar bear really the best evidence that renovations are underway?

This article is clearly written by someone who has very little knowledge of the building. You know, like maybe people would like to know the name of the architect, since it is a building of note? D'ya think?

Lame wikiality. Typical truthiness. This page is ranked higher than the official page for the hotel, which of course has more info. Your page ranking is gamed, and dishonest. You have no right to steal traffic away from better quality sites.

The NYT reported that the hotel is now opened and still owned by the UC. Referenced in the article. Please put more info in. I will see if I can find the name of the architect. Steve Dufour (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added name of architect (with reference) in response to unsigned comment above. I also added the infobox. Canadian2006 (talk) 15:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have an old post card of The Hotel New Yorker that states rates are $3.50 a day and up, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.81.17 (talk) 22:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved recent COI issue

please see edit notes on main article; reworded a couple words to make more objective; and removed last line, as it was an unsubstantiated claim with no citation Artemis84 (talk) 22:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference link changed

Currently, the fifth reference, "NewYorkerHotel.com - History", points to a non-existent link: http://newyorkerhotel.com/about/history.html. The new link is : http://www.newyorkerhotel.com/nyh-history. If someone would be kind enough to update where necessary, it would be appreciated. Tozzano Michael (talk) 02:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Direct access to subway station

I remember that when I visited the hotel in the 1960s it had direct access to the subway station. Does anyone have information on this/RichardBond (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Illegal use in 1992

I was a guest of this hotel in 1992 (2 years before reopening) by a friend recommodation and one of the hotel crew tried to convert me, so probable they used it as an illegal hotel.

Tesla coil

The following text was added to the article by an anonymous user and probably intended as a talk page commentary.

This article completely glossed over the fact that Tesla installed his Tesla Coil machine which supplied full free energy to power this entire hotel and over 35,ooo homes. After his death , it was removed and "disappeared" to continue to hide this technology from the general population.

The comment does not belong in the article itself. However, regardless of whether this is true, it requires a reliable source. Epicgenius (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 05:24, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The New Yorker Hotel

... that the New Yorker Hotel once had the largest private power plant in the United States? Source: Tom Blalock, Powering the New Yorker: A Hotel's Unique Direct Current System, in IEEE Power and Energy Magazine, Jan/Feb 2006
- ALT1: ... that the New Yorker Hotel, once the world's second-largest hotel, nearly became a hospital? Source: "Tallest Hotel in World Opens in New York: Far Cry From the Village Inn". The Christian Science Monitor. January 4, 1930. p. 4; Gelder, Lawrence Van (December 2, 1971). "Hotel Here May Change To Hospital". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that the New Yorker Hotel, once the world's second-largest hotel, closed in 1972 because its owners did not believe the area could support "too many hotels"? Source: "Tallest Hotel in World Opens in New York: Far Cry From the Village Inn". The Christian Science Monitor. January 4, 1930. p. 4; Gelder, Lawrence Van (December 2, 1971). "Hotel Here May Change To Hospital". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that the New Yorker Hotel, once the world's second-largest hotel, later became the Unification Church's World Mission Center? Source: "Tallest Hotel in World Opens in New York: Far Cry From the Village Inn". The Christian Science Monitor. January 4, 1930. p. 4; "New Yorker Hotel Is Sold by Hilton For Over $5 Million: Closed Building Is Bought by Unification Church; Firm Had Loss Reserve on It". Wall Street Journal. May 14, 1976. p. 37
- ALT4: ... that the New Yorker Hotel became the Unification Church's World Mission Center after nearly being converted into a hospital? Source: Gelder, Lawrence Van (December 2, 1971). "Hotel Here May Change To Hospital". The New York Times; "New Yorker Hotel Is Sold by Hilton For Over $5 Million: Closed Building Is Bought by Unification Church; Firm Had Loss Reserve on It". Wall Street Journal. May 14, 1976. p. 37.
- ALT5: ... that the New Yorker Hotel, closed for two decades, reopened after members of the Unification Church got married and moved away? Source: Lambert, Bruce (September 18, 1994). "Neighborhood Report: 34th Street; Once a Hotel, Again a Hotel". The New York Times.
- ALT6: ... that the New Yorker Hotel was closed for two decades but reopened after Unification Church members got married and moved away? Source: Lambert, Bruce (September 18, 1994). "Neighborhood Report: 34th Street; Once a Hotel, Again a Hotel". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Book of Common Prayer (1604)

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:46, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Epicgenius: Good expansion! just waiting on a QPQ Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC) Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Thanks for the review yet again, and sorry for the late response. I've now done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Approving. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 08:08, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wyndham New Yorker Hotel/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Argenti Aertheri (talk · contribs) 08:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

Last updated at 2024-02-29 10:22:27 by Cewbot

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

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Comments:

Required

"The fourth story contained an in-house medical department with four operating rooms, as well as a beauty parlor and a women's parlor.[6]" - That cannot be the right citation as it points to an article from 1929
- The article details what the hotel was supposed to contain. I've changed this to "The fourth story was supposed to contain". Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"according to the New York Herald Tribune, was 'perhaps the deepest ever cut excavated in Manhattan'." - huh?
- Oops, I have fixed the wording. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Upon the hotel's completion, it employed 17 manicurists, 43 barbers, and numerous multilingual waiters... The barber shop was one of the largest in the world, with 42 chairs and 20 manicurists." - two issues. One, nothing in the second sentence is in the citation, and two, how many manicurists?
- I have removed the second sentence as it was both contradictory and not properly sourced. That sentence was from before I expanded the article. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record I'm reasonably sure they copied Wikipedia not the other way around, both due to the dates and because they accidentally copied an inline citation number.

Yep. I also noted this on the talk page. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Optional

"The New Yorker, A Wyndham Hotel is a mixed-use hotel building" - bit odd formatting wise
- That is the official branding of the modern-day hotel, although the Wyndham New Yorker doesn't occupy the whole building. The common name is just "The New Yorker". Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Meanwhile, Hilton Hotels had purchased the Statler Hotels chain in 1954, it owned large hotels in many major cities, including the New Yorker, the Roosevelt, the Pennsylvania, the Plaza, and the Waldorf-Astoria in New York City." - that's not quite a sentence
- I have fixed this. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"With 2,503 rooms, it would be larger than the nearby Hotel Pennsylvania, which at the time had the most rooms of any hotel in the city, as well as the second-tallest hotel in New York City, behind the Ritz Tower." - could definitely be clearer
- I split the sentence. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"which cost a total of $150,000 (equivalent to $2,556,000 in 2022)" and "the hotel spent $50,000 (equivalent to $609,003 in 2022)" are the only uses of the inflation template. I'm vaguely annoyed by the inconsistency, but constant use would definitely be worse, so I'm not sure what, if anything, should be done. Toss r=-3 on the second one though, the $3 is unnecessarily specific
- I only added inflation templates for major figures, but I do see your point that it's inconsistent. I can go through the article later, perhaps putting inflation templates within their own footnotes, similar to what i did for Plaza Hotel. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Found a better image for the lead while checking copyrights: [1]
- Thanks. I've swapped one of the images out for this one. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The lowest stories are decorated with cast-stone blocks that contain floral designs. There are also some geometric designs on these stories" - any pictures?
- I may have to look later. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: I still prefer façade. In seriousness though, this one looks pretty good, a couple actual issues, but mostly just minor unimportant things. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 04:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review Argenti Aertheri. I think I've addressed all your comments now. Epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.