Talk:Nazareth Hall Preparatory Seminary/GA1

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Nominator: Darth Stabro (talk · contribs) 19:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 20:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice little historical article to continue my clearance of the education GANs. I look forward to reviewing! It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead is extremely short for a GA. I haven't read the article yet, but I think it should at least also include:

• Its purpose
• Why it was closed
• Its popularity/attendance

Lead sections should "the opening paragraph summarizes the most important points of the article" according to WP:BETTER/GRAF1. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead looks much better now. Just one minor point: Link "Saint Paul". It is a wonderful world (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock Prior to the founding of Nazareth Hall, high-school and early college-aged seminarians for the Archdiocese of Saint Paul were educated at a number of institutions: This implies that this was not the case after Nazareth Hall was founded, but is it really true that all the high-school and early college-aged seminarians immediately went to Nazareth Hall? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, according the Kaydet yearbook citation I just modified, all 140 eligible students immediately transferred - at least from the College of Saint Thomas. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y personally tutored: Conciseness and neutrality It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock minor seminarians for the Diocese: Already mentioned and obvious enough anyways. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock were educated there or at other seminary institutions in the United States or in Europe [abroad] It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here I meant to cut everything I have written in strikethrough, for conciseness. It is a wonderful world (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally I read "abroad" as being in a foreign country, while not all seminarians were in fact overseas for their studies. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y However, Thomas Grace hoped that eventually a dedicated college: The "however" links Grace's hopes to the previous sentence, however the previous sentence happens a year later than Grace buying the land, so they could not be linked. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y purchased forty acres on the shores of Lake Johanna with the hope it would eventually become a seminary [for that purpose] It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y of its time in that it functioned as a sort of [, functioning as a] combination [of a]: Conciseness, formality, precision. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock Link "Theological seminary" and "minor seminary" so the reader can find out the difference if they wish. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Austin Dowling became [the] Archbishop of St. Paul It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y The architects were Maginnis & Walsh of Boston.[1] The seminary was completed and dedicated by September 1923.: Joining these sentences with an "and" would improve flow. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y aspirants to the priesthood -> "students" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good :)

Y Its peak enrollment [was] in 1962 with 270 in the high school and 89 in the college.: Shouldn't this also be in the operation section? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Link "Crypt Church" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y "Numidian" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Link "apse" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y What does the title "Heiress" mean in this context? It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Use {{Translation}} as in Rita Cetina Gutiérrez for translation. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock All direct quotes always need inline citations Wikipedia:INLINECITE It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Per MOS:CONFORM, all caps should be removed. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock Link "triptych" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clock Link "Archangel Gabriel" It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Many of these are unsourced or have unlinked sources that are really hard to find. All need to be at lease sourced. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[6] and [20]: Links just link to the main database search. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to do with this as I wanted to indicate that they can be found in that database, but there is no way of directly linking them. Any ideas? I couldn't find an appropriate template parameter. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 20:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see how this is a bit of a pain, I just realised the URL doesn't even link to the database search, it links to the company which created the database. Is there a way you can at least link to the database search? If not, remove the link since it serves no use. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It actually looks like the URL has changed! Seems the university switched to a new publisher. Fixing that now. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 01:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit weird only having [20] quote the source in the references section. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[22]: Shouldn't cite bible gateway, it should cite the bible version, with a link to bible gateway. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is difficult as I'm trying to specifically cite the two Bible versions being quoted in two different languages; any ideas? ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 20:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the best way would be to have two citations, one for each bible version. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y [23, 26]: Bare foreign URLs, extremely vulnerable to link rot. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all either published historical books or newspapers, all seems reliable. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Before doing the spot check, I am going to wait until the Internet Archive allows logging in, so I can check the highly used reference [2]. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It follows the structure of other good and featured articles on schools. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think some would argue that the background and founding sections are too long, but I personally like how they aid understanding. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

32.0% on Earwig, no too close paraphrases detected. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's great to see so many images in the article, many of which you contributed yourself. It really adds to the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y The final image should not be in the rectors section, but where the the stations of the cross decor is mentioned. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"baldachin" could be linked. I didn't know what it was before coming across a link to it later in the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following points are not needed for GA promotion, but are somehow related to the article. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like this should be in Wikiproject Schools. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Most other articles have the notes section above the references section. Not sure if this is something you considered. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Consider linking any unlinked references, it makes it so much easier for the reader to verify information. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y {{Inflation}} is a great template for adding a conversion to modern money that will automatically update. This would help understand how much $1,280,000 and $500,000 really was back then. It is a wonderful world (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]