Talk:Nationalist Party (Malta)

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The suggestion has been made that, until the end of WWII, the Nationalist Party had elements of being a fascist or clerical-fascist movement. Thoughts? -- Stlemur 20:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I agree fully, people without any knowledge of Maltese politics, let alone where Malta even is are editing just because the party includes "Nationalist" in the name. Even though it is Partit Nazzjonalista, Nazzjonalista is being used as a synonym for Malta, or favour of the nation of Malta. It has nothing to do with Nationalisim, infact, the name was made well before the rise of fascism in Italy. Since most high-profile sources of the PL claim rubbish against us, the PN, these foreign editors use biased sources. 17 pounder, Self-Propelled, Achilles (talk) 18:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The slander has often been made, never substantially proven. None of the "features" of fascism you mention are evident in the pre-War Nationalist Party. It was anti-colonial (rather than exalting the nation), it never stressed loyalty to a single leader (between 1926 and 1940 it actually had two co-leaders), it was not totalitarian (it was constitutionalist demanding "quasi-dominium" status from Britain) and it hardly had a socio-economic programme.

Its collusion with the Maltese Church was incidental. Late in the 19th century Party founder and leader Fortunato Mizzi ran into trouble with the Maltese Church for his associations with Italian risorgimentisti (the Bishops went as far as to call him "inimicus homini") and according to Mintoff himself peace was made only in 1929 with the Latern Concordat between Vatican and Italian state.

Same goes for whatever sympathies they had with Mussolini. It was inevitable that with the language question the Nationalists would be Italophiles but that did not make them fascists. -- DemDem

I disagree totally on placing the article under fascism. Kindly indicate exact proof! Maltesedog 16:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone with knowledge of Maltese politics please split both this and the Malta Labour Party article into sections describing their history and their current politics, respectively? Right now it seems a bit.. cluttered, and I'm certainly not the right person to fix it since I have no idea about Maltese politics. Joffeloff 13:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done Maltesedog 06:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Nationalist Party won Malta's adhesion to the European Union supporting a YES vote in a national referendum beating the Malta Labour Party who surprisingly, being a traditionally leftist party, opted for a NO vote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Censutabone (talk • contribs) 21:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this edit, User:Marcus1234 wrote saying they are centre-right is redundant, since they Christian democrats. Maybe it's my ignorance, but the tie-in is not exactly obvious to me, nor clear from the linked articles. Christian Democracy says that European parties tend to be closer to the political center, or center-right., although it does not link to Centre-Right. One might think the party could be either center or right. I can't comment on whether the link you removed is correct or informative, but it seems like it may not necessarily be redundant. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 21:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...it "betrayed" its orthodox principles to hypocritically... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.247.48 (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I think there is a fundamental inconsistency in the information box which needs to be addressed.

The party foundation date is listed as 1926 (almost certainly referring to the merger between the Unione Politica Maltese and the Partito Democratico Nazionalista). However, the party founder is listed as Fortunato Mizzi, who passed away in 1905, more than 20 years BEFORE the foundation date.

I would be inclined to suggest leaving Fortunato Mizzi as founder but changing the foundation date to 1880, which is the foundation date of the Partito Anti Riformista (a direct predecessor of the current Nationalist Party) and the official foundation date claimed by the party itself. One might qualify this by including two years under Foundation date, each accompanied by a footnote: 1880 (foundation of Partito Anti Riformista) and 1926 (merger of the two preceding parties). — Preceding unsigned comment added by JT78 (talk • contribs) 08:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This article previously had Pro-Europeanism as a political position however certain users have repeatedly removed this position from the article under the argument that "Pro-europeanism is not an ideology", which whether you agree or disagree with the position itself, pro-Europeanism is most certainly an ideology. It is as much of an ideology as Euroscepticism is and even the article for Pro-Europeanism states that it is "a political position".

With regards to the Nationalist Party, they have consistently been in favour of the European Union and European integration and Europe. PN's party statute [1] itself says on section 2 point 7 (page 4):

"[...] Il-kisbiet tal-Indipendenza u s-sħubija fl-Unjoni Ewropea huma fost il-kisbiet storiċi li sawruna f’nazzjon sovran, modern u Ewropew."

"[...] The accomplishments of Independence and membership into the European Union are among the historic achievements which shaped us into a sovereign, modern and European nation."

It is understandable to request a {{Citation needed}} tag for the position, but to say that it's not even a political position at all is just misinformation. I am proposing that Pro-Europeanism is re-added as a political position for the Nationalist Party without alteration. Dahna2024 (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tal-Ġakketta Blu, as we fondly referred to them, were nothing other than courageous men dedicated to defending democracy. They were not paramilitary and they were not armed. Their blue and black jacket was meant for identification purposes between themselves. It was heavy because it was December - cold weather normally, ay?

https://timesofmalta.com/article/ethics-my-foot.237424 17 pounder, Self-Propelled, Achilles (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense. There is a huge problem here in Malta where both political parties form the historical narrative to the detriment of proper historical facts. This is a general Statement. For the merits of this particular case, I once again state that I agree with the above editor, even if the source stated is an opinion article. Mtonna257 (talk) 20

17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I've tried to include information about how the PN was the first party in Malta to have an openly gay MP, Karl Gourder, and a Trans candidate, Alex Mangion, and it keeps deleting my contributions saying I don't have adequate proof. The person doing this is an Irish Marxist who probably doesn't even know where Malta is. Easer8 (talk) 07:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve noticed the absence of mentioning how you were removing sections about support Franco and far-right positions supported by WP:RS, only mentioning the addition of a gay MP. That isn’t a valid explanation for all the content you removed.

This isn’t Marxism, it’s abiding by Wikipedia policy. R0paire-wiki (talk) 08:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's Marxism. I can see you are quite the supporter of Marxism.

Did you know that the Democrat party in the USA has its roots in slavery? Would it be fair to call it the party of slavery?

Your insistance on keeping those facts at the top of the page belie your desire to paint the party in a negartive light and eliminate anything that shows it is actually a centrist party. So you are violating the policy. not me. Easer8 (talk) 08:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not only is it your poltiical agenda that's at play. But even the sources you have in those parts are all from socialist publications. It's all baised. Easer8 (talk) 08:09, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have a clear bias towards the party based on these comments and assumptions, and if a member should cease editing the page due to a WP:COI. Just because a source says something you disagree with isn’t justification for its removal, they’re WP:RS for a reason.

If you have issue with that policy on sources being “biased”, I’d recommend taking it up with the administrators who make these policies. R0paire-wiki (talk) 08:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why then would you delete the links to Karl Gouder and Alex Mangion? Easer8 (talk) 08:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I wouldn't call a source from a socalist publication as 'reliable' in the slightest. Not at all neutral. Easer8 (talk) 08:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can add them having a gay MP and trans candidate, that is 100% WP:NPOV and supported by a WP:RS.

The problem isn’t with that part of your edits, but lumping them all together results in them being removed also. R0paire-wiki (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And what on Earth is an Irish Marxist doing commenting and editing entries to Maltese political parties? You aren't by any chance, a member of that covert operation to push Marxism in Malta, are you? Easer8 (talk) 08:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am a recent changes patroller, any edits that get flagged I check out unless someone has first. Yours happened to come up due to the nature of removing content and references without explanation - it’s not a conspiracy, but not adhering to policy is going to attract attention. There are many of us doing this. R0paire-wiki (talk) 08:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Come on now! Removing whole paragraphs of sourced information (such as Avukat Herbert Ganado's support for the Nationalists in Spain in the Leħen is-Sewwa, and that PN rightfully supported Catholic Social Teaching) will surely raise eyebrows! By the way if you want to make it an issue of politics, as the person who started reverting your edits in the first place, I am Maltese and most certainly NOT a Marxist, rather a national-catholic lol. Now, back to Wikipedia, it's important to maintain a neutral point of view — that in Maltese-context-speak that you will definitely understand without problems — rewards and punishes neither political party. Only the truth, as it happened. Mtonna257 (talk) 09:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To put that paragraph under 'ideology' implies that it still supports such antiquated views and serves only to send a sinister message. Therefore, a compromise can be sought and put it in its history section only rather than its ideology. It's like putting under Ideology or the Democrat Party in the US its origins and links to slavery. It is completely mischaracterising things.

Ignoring completely the PN's role in furthering LGBTI rights by getting us into the EU and having open LGBTI members and candidates should also raise an eyebrow or two, especially when they are far far more recent than the Spanish Civil war, something no one in Malta knows much about nor cares an iota about. Easer8 (talk) 09:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]