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@KahnJohn27: Regarding this edit [1], here is the quotation from the source (downloaded from the DOI). Dasharatha Sharma has brought to notice an interesting piece of evidence regarding Nagabhata I. He says that a medieval Jaina Prabandha within the Puratana Prabandha Sangraha (recension B) refers to Nahada (identified with Nagabhata I), a soldier of fortune, who was the first ruler of his family. He is further stated to have made Jalor his capital and to have come into conflict with a Muslim ruler, whom he defeated. Would you care to explain what you have checked? - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: I described it as I've seen from the source. In actual none of the above content you quoted here is visible anywhere at all on the source. That's why I deleted the content of battle against Muslim ruler. KahnJohn27 (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is not clear whether you are admitting mistake, or whether you are standing by your stance. If you made a mistake, then I will let you revert your own revert. If you are standing by it, then please let us know what you find on page 204 of the Sanjay Sharma article. - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3: I'm not admitting any mistake. And I don't see any page 204 of Sanjay Sharma article. There only one page of the article with the title "Abstract" when I go to the source and there are no other pages. KahnJohn27 (talk) 21:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, you don't have the source. - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3: I'm accessing it directly from the link given in this Nagabhata article itself so your claim is completely incorrect. KahnJohn27 (talk) 21:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You need to get the full text, which you might need to purchase unless you (or your library) has subscription. Or you need to go find a library that has the journal. You just read the abstract! - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3: Yeah I see it asking to purchase full text or subscribe or view it from a library whoch has a subscription. But how I'm going to do that? Am I going to pay money for subscription or purchasing the article (which is $30)? Your source is then non-accessible by the general public. Nobody can read and confirm its content without paying money. I don't understand why you used the source in first place. Please use another source that allows to view its content without any pay wall like Google Books. KahnJohn27 (talk) 21:42, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You said that you are not a newbie. Surely, you know what is meant by a reliable source? Your ability or inability to access a source doesn't affect its reliability. So you should rest now. Or you are going to WP:ANI. - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3: If you can't access it, then you can't confirm it. Simple as that. But I do believe that article about Hindu Muslim battles needs more than just one source. Anyway if this thing about Nagabhata fighting a Muslim ruler is true, then there must be an easily accessible source for it. Try to use that instead of something that demands $30 to read it. And please don't insult me. It is against rules to insult an editor. KahnJohn27 (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@KahnJohn27: Please read WP:PAYWALL. It doesn't matter if a source cannot be accessed without a subscription, it only matters that it is published. Sam Walton (talk) 22:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3: Well can you access the source for me? As per WP:PAYWALL I can ask you to. Send me the article so I can view it. KahnJohn27 (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes you were right. Thanks for sending the article. I've read the page number 204 and it does indeed mention he defeated a Muslim ruler and had Jalor as his capital. You can restore the content without any problem now. But I'll still like to advise you to use Google Books instead. Anyway thanks for co-operation. KahnJohn27 (talk) 23:20, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Battle of Rajasthan which is a much more developed article, and provides numerous other sources. - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:23, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a minute if more sources were already available, then why didn't you use them on this article as well. It seems you don't cate about the quality of the article. This article is officialy a stub. I recommend that you improve the quality and add more sources to it. And please send the article I asked. Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 23:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This is with reference to your reversion of my edit. Please note that I provided the original paper reference, written by Dasharatha Sharma , which Sanjay sharma quoted. If you prefer to cite the person who cited from Dasharatha Sharma , and not the work of Dasharatha Sharma himself, it is your decision as an editor. Further, the footnote in which Atherton is cited is misleading. Atherton supports Dasharatha Sharma. That is why I added a line to that effect and cited her book in the reference.She states”the arguments in favour of Jalor have been convincingly outlined by D.S. Sharma in Rajasthan through the Ages…..'You can check up the reference. But the reference makes it seem that she supports the other theory, which it is significant to note, is taken note of as "an alternate theory' by her in her book. Shanta Rani Sharma also discusses the issue in her book with further analysis .

If you do not get the point, it is fine. Thanks for reading through this. -- Original thinker (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote in my edit summary, Please feel free to add new citations; but not delete the old citations or the content.
Both the views are carefully attributed to the scholars. The citations show that they were indeed the views of the scholars mentioned. There is no effort to indicate who supports whom. I see no need to get into that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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