Talk:List of artists and entertainers with advanced degrees

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I would kind of like to see the dates of their degrees listed. One curiosity is the fact that some (like Brian May) finished their degree after a substantial career in entertainment. BD2412 T 05:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have at it. Good luck ferreting that info out. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst it is certainly true that Graham Chapman qualified as a Physician, he was in the UK, and UK physicians do not typically hold an MD. Rather they are MB ChB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.199.231 (talk) 17:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, his alma mater currently gives MBBS. The reference only says he "graduated in medicine". Nick (talk) 12:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If this page ever becomes popular, we're going to have a problem defining who merits inclusion. The current statement - PhD and other degrees at that academic level - is already being misinterpreted to include MD degrees. Outside the USA, the first medical qualification is called a bachelors degree but is usually held to be above most other bachelors (about the same as a masters). In America, there's a level of degree known as the Professional Doctorate, which includes MD and JD and ranks a little higher than a masters but below the research doctorate (PhD or EdD), although this ranking varies by country.

The MBBS is widely held to be equivalent to the MD, so we have two options: let in all the MBBS holders or kick out all the MDs. If we decide to include the physicians, I suggest we break the list into sections. Nick (talk) 05:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to the U.S. government, an advanced degree is any U.S. academic or professional degree or a foreign equivalent degree above that of baccalaureate (i.e. master’s degree or higher),[1], and a U.S. MD medical degree is certaintly to be considered by them to be an advanced degree.[2]. JD, EdD, and other professional doctorates are also considered to be advanced degrees.[3] So in addition to artists and entertainers with a PhD, also those with the MD, JD, EdD, and all other professional doctorates fall under the relevant definition for inclusion in this article. According to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (and btw likewise the U.S. government), master's are also advanced degrees,[4] but it's clearly the policy in this article to only include only people with doctoral kind of degrees.

Whether the MBBS (or likewise Commonwealth medical degrees like BDS, etc) is an "advanced degree" is clearly debatable, some do write that it is not[5]/some do write it is. But every source I've found agrees that the MBBS is equivalent to the American MD.[6] So, since I wrote above that people with the MD falls under the definition to be included in this article, it would be silly and sour not to include those with the equivlant MBBS. Again, as I wrote earlier, if we have to draw a dividing line to what to include and not, I would use as dividing parameter "only those with a PhD and other academic degrees leading to the title of doctor" (and to include this as a comment in the article). Your suggestion to break up the list into sections is acceptable to me, but please keep this to a minimum for clarity. Maybe two lists of "docterates" versus "medical degrees", or else "research degrees" versus "professional degrees" (with comment academic degrees leading to the title of Doctor). Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 05:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BOLD: After waiting more than 3 months for response, I have reinstalled the statement "(PhDs and other academic degrees leading to the title of Doctor)". Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 12:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]