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It seems that this page is infused with knowledge and terms from the books/general lore that is additional knowledge beyond the show/what one actually knows through the show. It would help to make this page more accessible and understable, less confusing for viewers of the show if it gets focused and streamlined on only the knowledge that comes from the show first - imagine if someone who only watches the show without knowing the books/movies first comes reads this page because it's associated with the show. Searching for, let's say, Valandil; does an only-show-viewer know that "High Men" and not "Low Men" stands for humans from Numenor; were these terms established in the show as a distinction? Or can we not just name this sections "Numenoreans" and "Southlanders" which is what the people from these places are called in the show? Let's say, I'm searching for Durin's Bane; did the show give any hint that he is to be found under "Maiar", that he falls under the same category as Sauron? I would never guess that, and therefore never find him there. --Blobstar (talk) 13:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of those things have been added because they are in the books/lore, they have been added based on reliable sources discussing this show in particular. The point of this article is not to cater only to people who have seen the show, it is to cater to anyone who wants to learn about the show regardless of whether they have seen it. The fact that this page actually explains things that are left unclear in the show actually makes it more understandable for most readers. If someone wants to learn more about Sauron's depiction in this show then I would expect them to search for him just as one would search for any piece of information in a web page, and then they would find him under the Maiar heading and learn more about who he is than they otherwise might have. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the section on Adar, it is noted that Adar prefers the term "Uruk" over "Orc." I had the UNMITIGATED TEMERITY to provide an example, in which Galadriel derisively calls Adar "Orc," and he simply replies "Uruk." Two different self-appointed guardians of knowledge have ganged up on me to revert this trivial but helpful edit, and have accused me of edit-warring because I have put it back in. Their objections: (1) "too much detail." But the very fact that Adar prefers "Uruk" to "Orc" is ITSELF a detail. I have not created more granularity here, but simply provided an amplification to a detail already there. In any case, articles do not have to have a uniform level of granularity at all times. (2) "Unsourced." This objection is particularly ridiculous, because the EPISODE ITSELF IS THE SOURCE, and I specify the episode. At most, I could provide a time marker for the scene. Do these august and worthy editors imagine that people publish articles on every quote in every episode of a series? Do they think I can find a source like THIS fictitious example to cite: "As pointed out by Smith 2024a, p. 12, In Episode X of Season Y of The Rings of Power, Galadriel says..."? Give me a break. THE EPISODE ITSELF IS THE SOURCE. Why am I wasting time on such a trivial edit? Because I am sick to death of pompous so-called "senior" editors taking it upon themselves to go around reverting other people's perfectly valid edits. They are violating Wikipedia policy (WP:ROWN) by doing this, and somebody needs to take a stand. DrReload (talk) 22:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We do not need an example of a specific scene explaining that Adar prefers the term "Uruk". The article already explains that perfectly fine without the example, adding a specific scene is just trivial minutiae. No one ganged up on you, two editors independently decided to revert your addition, and the fact that you kept adding it and ignored WP:BRD means that you were edit warring and needed to stop. By the way, if you want to directly reference an episode outside of a season/episode article you need to provide a citation for the episode, you can't just add information without a source and claim that it is sourced to the episode. And that is definitely not preffered, third party reliable sources are expected in most cases. You can't claim WP:OWN as an excuse for your edits to not be reverted when you are breaking so many policies and guidelines. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
